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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:45:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium This is from Syria, 2016 |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:45:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 8 min translated video.
At least they found his glove for him. 
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:47:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: This is from Syria, 2016 Thought it looked like a desert in the background. Still surprised we haven't seen "upgrades" like that by the russians in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:48:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Understood. In the end, what I am not all warm and fuzzy about is there still isn't a firm commitment from the US. Attic stock dwindling and reserves for a possible future with China are therefire dwindling. Production rates on some weaponry have only now increased. My guess is FJB doesn't want a quick ending to this invasion. Hence my ranting. Reserves that would actually be used against China are not dwindling. Old stock HARM and HARPOON, 155mm, and even GMLRS weren’t going to play a large role in a war against China. That will be the new stuff, ATACMS, LR cruise missiles, and so on. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:48:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: My big worry is that if the Balloon gos Up with China, the opening salvo might be a swarm of little drones that have been infiltrated into our country / territories / basing areas disabling a lot of our aircraft on the runway. It's pretty perfect Hybrid War / Grey zone because numerous aircraft can be disabled by a single dropped 40mm HEDP, but the actual loss of life might be 0 and sense of 'attack' would be much lower then a Pearl / 9/11, making it less likely to be a galvanizing event for the US to rally behind. I may have written a novel that matches your idea, but change the drones to nukes. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:51:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Nasty rifle they captured - fuck sights, fuck stocks https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/trophy_jpg-2732636.JPG Russian target crown https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/trophy_2_jpg-2732637.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 8 min translated video.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/trophy_jpg-2732636.JPG Russian target crown https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/trophy_2_jpg-2732637.JPG Neither side seems to use aimed fire much. Looks like mainly suppression. Are optics even appreciated by either side? It seems that rifle fire is used mainly to pin a group down so that arty or mortar can take them out. Even the RPGs seem to just be shot in the general direction. A few of the videos I saw of the International Legion looked a lot more familiar tactics of coordinated movement, covering angles, aimed fire of much less volume. My concern is that Ukraine will not win fighting Russia with Russian tactics. They have to get trained up and equipped to get out of the trenches and maneuver and use precision fire not just at the artillery level but at every level. Sure there is always an element of suppression but that should be used to maneuver and allow more precision. Just hate to see spray and pray grinding attrition. I’m sure the videos are a tiny portion of what actually happens. Just going off what I have seen so far. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 5:53:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium Now youse can’t leave. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:01:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Is it wrong for me to wish every video had a spinning number counter in the corner with slot machine noises every time some orcs get hit? Your wish is my command:  The delicious sound of Battlefield 1 kills |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:11:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobradriver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium I see those metal balls on chains and "Socal low rider" pops into my brain. Only thing missing is some crushed velvet. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:27:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: I see those metal balls in chains and "Socal low rider" pops into my brain. Only thing missing is some crushed velvet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium I see those metal balls in chains and "Socal low rider" pops into my brain. Only thing missing is some crushed velvet.  I'm sure there's some fuzzy dice hanging next to the gunner. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:30:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Agree. These rants on military stocks are disingenuous. Our Army has been sized, designed and equipped mainly to counter Russian incursion for the last 70 years. What better opportunity to apply it without risking one American life? Plus, Ukraine is a great opportunity to get rid of all our old stocks of weapons we have retired or planned to retire soon. China is most a Russia psyop red herring. The equipment and forces are almost non-intersecting. Ukraine needs armor, artillery, shells, ground transport. Taiwan needs us to secure the seas and assist with the skies. We have to stop China BEFORE the touch land. That means missiles, ships and aircraft. The overlap would be air defense, missiles, fighters, Bombers, etc. but Ukraine would benefit from older fighters like F16. Do the critical overlap that needs careful management is AD and various missile systems. Fundamentally if we let Ukraine drag out years then we are ramping up the risks for Taiwan. Rather than ranting AGAINST funding Ukraine a truly concerned person should rant on going bigger and faster on Ukraine to end it quickly so we can pivot to Taiwan. Stop making so much sense. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:34:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Lol. Russian government-gangster control is really gonna help crack that nut hahahahhaah! It happens. The US Navy took over the operation of Brewster during World War II (appointing a board of trustees and executive management) because their performance and quality were so bad. It didn't really help a whole lot. They finally just cancelled their contracts for manufacturing Corsairs and the company folded. Brewster were, ahem, still good enough to shoot down 447 Russian aircraft in the Continuation War for the loss of 19 Finnish Brewsters. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:51:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Stop making so much sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Agree. These rants on military stocks are disingenuous. Our Army has been sized, designed and equipped mainly to counter Russian incursion for the last 70 years. What better opportunity to apply it without risking one American life? Plus, Ukraine is a great opportunity to get rid of all our old stocks of weapons we have retired or planned to retire soon. China is most a Russia psyop red herring. The equipment and forces are almost non-intersecting. Ukraine needs armor, artillery, shells, ground transport. Taiwan needs us to secure the seas and assist with the skies. We have to stop China BEFORE the touch land. That means missiles, ships and aircraft. The overlap would be air defense, missiles, fighters, Bombers, etc. but Ukraine would benefit from older fighters like F16. Do the critical overlap that needs careful management is AD and various missile systems. Fundamentally if we let Ukraine drag out years then we are ramping up the risks for Taiwan. Rather than ranting AGAINST funding Ukraine a truly concerned person should rant on going bigger and faster on Ukraine to end it quickly so we can pivot to Taiwan. Stop making so much sense. lol +1 |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:53:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqUAFvaXwAAVMCE?format=png&name=large |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:59:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:07:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NE223: As has been repeatedly stated there aren't pallets of cash being sent, the vast majority of aid has been in the form of military hardware and there is has been no creditable instances of Ukraine selling the weapons they've received. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NE223: Originally Posted By Hate_Work: One big issue that most gloss over is there is little accountability in tracing US funds, which is a big driving factor in many peoples' negativity towards the Ukrainian funding. Politicians, by and large are not trustworthy but many now choose to believe bits and pieces of these assholes because they can squeeze it into their narrative. All the DoD players mentioned are in a hiring spree when the rest of the country is in a recession. I stated at the beginning that the post was cynicism. But go ahead and cherry pick all you want. There are lots of cherry pickers on this thread. As has been repeatedly stated there aren't pallets of cash being sent, the vast majority of aid has been in the form of military hardware and there is has been no creditable instances of Ukraine selling the weapons they've received. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:19:39 PM EST
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First person view drone.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:25:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:32:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 74HC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Zelensky did not call for American boots on the ground in Ukraine and stating otherwise is dishonest. He said that if the US didn't support Ukraine now it would have no choice but to help fight a land war in Europe later. He is right, but timing wrong. They're going to need boots by next year if this invasion keeps up. I'm fine with USA pilots now long side NATO pilots, and Germany boots later. But yes, it seems we agree this is the new age of communism expansion. If this doesn't get nipped in the bud now, it's going to get out of hand later. Russia had rolled through invading eastern European countries after WW2. Western Europe did nothing back then, but they were still recovering from WW2. They don't have that excuse now. The problem I have with Zelensky's speech is that he should have said if western Europe didn't support Ukraine now, it would have no choice but to help fight a land war in their region later. He should not have gone straight to the USA, bypassing NATO countries that are *there*. The reason why I eschew Germany so much is that they have the 4th largest GDP in the world, and the largest in the EU by far. In that regard, they do very little to carry their weight, defensively. I view them as the worst kind of titsuckers in NATO. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:38:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: This is fun… Ukrainian Space Army! https://www.etsy.com/listing/1207109108/ https://www.etsy.com/listing/1241696739/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/156EF12F-AB6D-4C25-BF7F-08E4622AF63D_jpe-2732540.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/8AAD814D-96E3-4819-B337-3BA3DE58EF34_jpe-2732541.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/771617C2-9F5F-424A-BD83-175F33D794AB_jpe-2732543.JPG That's awesome. If I still had anywhere to play 40K, I'd start an IG force with those JUST BECAUSE.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:50:29 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:20:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqVaFi6WYAEeOe2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Won't be long now |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:25:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development!  Driving that into a cattle ranch... "There's a china in a bull shop!" |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:30:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Driving that into a cattle ranch... "There's a china in a bull shop!" |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:35:42 PM EST
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I year year ago and it still stands today
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:38:44 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:48:38 PM EST
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Have we posted the video of an actual drone attack on the A-50U? Note: not the video of the drone landing on the radome, and leaving. This one appears to to have caused damage.
 New Video Confirms Drone Attack on A-50 at Machulishchy Air Base in Belarus -- Hit SATCOM Link |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:03:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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ISW assessment for March 3rd.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-3-2023 Ukrainian forces appear to be setting conditions for a controlled fighting withdrawal from parts of Bakhmut. Russian forces have been fighting to take Bakhmut, a city with a pre-war population of roughly 70,000 people, since roughly May 2022 and have suffered devastating casualties in the process. Geolocated footage posted on March 3 confirms that Ukrainian troops have destroyed two critical bridges in the Bakhmut area—one across the Bakhmutivka River in northeastern Bakhmut and one along the Khromove-Bakhmut route just west of Bakhmut.[1] The preemptive destruction of bridges is likely an indicator that Ukrainian troops may seek to inhibit Russian movement in eastern Bakhmut and limit potential westward Russian egress routes out of Bakhmut. Ukrainian Presidential Advisor Oleksandr Rodnyanskyi previously stated on February 28 that Ukrainian forces could choose to pull back from positions in Bakhmut as needed.[2] Rodnyanskyi also noted that Ukraine has fortified the area west of Bakhmut such that even if Ukrainian troops begin to withdraw, Russian forces would not necessarily be able to rapidly take the entire city.[3] If the Ukrainian military command deems it necessary to withdraw from Bakhmut it will likely conduct a limited and controlled withdrawal from particularly difficult sectors of eastern Bakhmut judging from Ukrainian statements and reported Ukrainian actions. ISW will continue to monitor the situation and offer updated assessments of the implications of possible Russian courses of action if and when Ukrainian forces begin to pull back. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:10:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: I see those metal balls on chains and "Socal low rider" pops into my brain. Only thing missing is some crushed velvet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium I see those metal balls on chains and "Socal low rider" pops into my brain. Only thing missing is some crushed velvet. Well, the song Low Rider was done by...War. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:14:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I year year ago and it still stands today https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/image-41-2731678.png Good call. I'd forgot about that. Hilarious |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:14:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: I was thinking cause leak with one drone. and ignite with another a few minutes later after a good puddle of fuel is spilled. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Banditman: are the fuel tanks on these air craft self sealing? The small explosion may or may not ignite the fuel. If not, it may be an easy fix relatively. I was thinking cause leak with one drone. and ignite with another a few minutes later after a good puddle of fuel is spilled. Jet fuel is difficult to ignite. A shaped charge ripping up the wing roots would be a good kill. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:28:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: JQ66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQNZ-5aIAAenvO?format=png&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQO1QOagAExVkl?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBJaUAMkOKY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBIaAAIe3n7?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqNtGBKaMAAPTjd?format=jpg&name=large Yikes. Heavy But some of those guys must be FliteTest fans. Due to the prolific use of the brown paper coated foamboard on their airplanes. Not exactly dollar tree foamboard but Ft uses the brown paper foamboard now. The last airplane looks like it is VTOL with motors that can pivot |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:37:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: Have we posted the video of an actual drone attack on the A-50U? Note: not the video of the drone landing on the radome, and leaving. This one appears to to have caused damage.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6Os4LMMlkYea yesterday both videos posted |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:06:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67:
How many days have the "casualty count" of the vatniks been at 1000+ or so for consecutive days? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:11:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: I was thinking cause leak with one drone. and ignite with another a few minutes later after a good puddle of fuel is spilled. It's really hard, essentially impossible, to get jet fuel to ignite unless it is in a vapor or a fine aerosol. It's way too cold to get it to a vapor state and it would have to be pressurized to become an aerosol.  Jet Fuel VS Diesel VS Gasoline how they burn and what color are they. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:23:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQ3ZAAXsAAwGIp?format=png&name=900x900  Except you can get wounded back after they go through the medical/replacement system. You can't get dead people back. This is important in long wars. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:23:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AzSteven: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: russia continues to be on the cutting edge of armor development! https://i.postimg.cc/cL8Yn5GY/FB-IMG-1677770785769.jpg Russian or Ukrainian doesnt matter - that is friggin cool looking! russian armor development continues... Exploring every possible avenue, the crafty orcs have evolved from the simple "cope cages" seen at the start of the conflict and have now moved on to massive mobile "cope compounds".
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQMB0kWcAE80a4?format=jpg&name=medium When that thing runs over a mine there’s going to be parts raining down over three oblasts. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:28:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: It happens. The US Navy took over the operation of Brewster during World War II (appointing a board of trustees and executive management) because their performance and quality were so bad. It didn't really help a whole lot. They finally just cancelled their contracts for manufacturing Corsairs and the company folded. Brewster were, ahem, still good enough to shoot down 447 Russian aircraft in the Continuation War for the loss of 19 Finnish Brewsters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By kncook: Lol. Russian government-gangster control is really gonna help crack that nut hahahahhaah! It happens. The US Navy took over the operation of Brewster during World War II (appointing a board of trustees and executive management) because their performance and quality were so bad. It didn't really help a whole lot. They finally just cancelled their contracts for manufacturing Corsairs and the company folded. Brewster were, ahem, still good enough to shoot down 447 Russian aircraft in the Continuation War for the loss of 19 Finnish Brewsters. I’ve always wondered WTF was going on with Brewster during the war. I’ve read they found significant instances of actual sabotage in their AC during the war. Nazi sympathizers? Communist sympathizers/unionists? I’ve never found an answer. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:29:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Except you can get wounded back after they go through the medical/replacement system. You can't get dead people back. This is important in long wars. It’s suspected that Russian medical care is advanced by the standards of the 19th century. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:31:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: It’s suspected that Russian medical care is advanced by the standards of the 19th century. Yes, this is going to be an issue in the 2023 campaign season. Everyone from 2022 on the Russian side is pretty much dead-ish; while on the Ukrainian side, you have rehabilitated wounded coming back. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:36:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Good call. I'd forgot about that. Hilarious |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:44:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: That's diplomatic speak for public consumption. He's very likely more direct through closed door channels. He's very likely already asked for American advisors on the ground in Ukraine. He is right, but timing wrong. They're going to need boots by next year if this invasion keeps up. I'm fine with USA pilots now long side NATO pilots, and Germany boots later. But yes, it seems we agree this is the new age of communism expansion. If this doesn't get nipped in the bud now, it's going to get out of hand later. Russia had rolled through invading eastern European countries after WW2. Western Europe did nothing back then, but they were still recovering from WW2. They don't have that excuse now. The problem I have with Zelensky's speech is that he should have said if western Europe didn't support Ukraine now, it would have no choice but to help fight a land war in their region later. He should not have gone straight to the USA, bypassing NATO countries that are *there*. The reason why I eschew Germany so much is that they have the 4th largest GDP in the world, and the largest in the EU by far. In that regard, they do very little to carry their weight, defensively. I view them as the worst kind of titsuckers in NATO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By Capta: Zelensky did not call for American boots on the ground in Ukraine and stating otherwise is dishonest. He said that if the US didn't support Ukraine now it would have no choice but to help fight a land war in Europe later. He is right, but timing wrong. They're going to need boots by next year if this invasion keeps up. I'm fine with USA pilots now long side NATO pilots, and Germany boots later. But yes, it seems we agree this is the new age of communism expansion. If this doesn't get nipped in the bud now, it's going to get out of hand later. Russia had rolled through invading eastern European countries after WW2. Western Europe did nothing back then, but they were still recovering from WW2. They don't have that excuse now. The problem I have with Zelensky's speech is that he should have said if western Europe didn't support Ukraine now, it would have no choice but to help fight a land war in their region later. He should not have gone straight to the USA, bypassing NATO countries that are *there*. The reason why I eschew Germany so much is that they have the 4th largest GDP in the world, and the largest in the EU by far. In that regard, they do very little to carry their weight, defensively. I view them as the worst kind of titsuckers in NATO. I’m sorry but repeating something you want to be the truth does not make it the truth. Zelensky did not ask for US boots on the ground, and Ukraine will not need US boots on the ground in another year to survive. They will however need continued American/NATO supply to survive. Given the increasing levels of supply, including more capable systems, the pressure on Russia will keep increasing while Russian ability to damage Ukraine will keep decreasing. Of course Putin doesn’t give a shit. He will throw men at Ukraine until he can’t. The Russian Army will take massive casualties until they can’t. If the best Russia can do is take Bakhmut after a 6-month campaign, they’ll only have to use up 2-3 million to get to the Dnepr. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:50:12 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:52:42 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:03:22 PM EST
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:13:11 PM EST
[#46]
A small hint of how they modify grenades for drones.
 Ukrainian Territorial Defence Brigade shows off pin point accurate drone attacks |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:19:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’ve always wondered WTF was going on with Brewster during the war. I’ve read they found significant instances of actual sabotage in their AC during the war. Nazi sympathizers? Communist sympathizers/unionists? I’ve never found an answer. As I recall, the answer is more mundane (I used them as a drastic example in a quality class I taught decades ago). The top managers made Daddy Warbucks look like Mother Teresa -- they were into all kinds of shady deals (I forget what). And their employees were all new, which was the same as every war production company then, but Brewster couldn't deal with it. They were probably just too cheap plus the unavoidable (in that culture) top-down problems (maybe a capitalist version of the Russian corruption we see now?). But Communists sympathizers sounds more fun. Maybe we could make a movie. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:20:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Ukraine later came out and claimed responsibility for the shoot down. It sounds like Russia’s plan to start using tactical aviation again isn’t getting off to a good start |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:51:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Except you can get wounded back after they go through the medical/replacement system. You can't get dead people back. This is important in long wars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQ3ZAAXsAAwGIp?format=png&name=900x900 Except you can get wounded back after they go through the medical/replacement system. You can't get dead people back. This is important in long wars. That graphic assumes a level of care that simply does not exist in Russia. The "free" healthcare and the healthcare given to military is about as bare bones as it gets. If you don't buy and bring your own bandages, you won't be getting fresh ones. So you can imagine what it is like for things costlier than bandages. There was a Russian VDV (paratrooper) guy who was injured in the initial assault on Kyiv. His biography is a good description of what top echelon Russian troops get for medical care. So, the graphic is wrong in that Ivan does not put forth a bunch of resources on medical care so you're not tying up as many economic resources as you think. And the lack of emphasis on medical care also means many of the wounded progress to dead or permanently combat ineffective. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:46:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: That graphic assumes a level of care that simply does not exist in Russia. The "free" healthcare and the healthcare given to military is about as bare bones as it gets. If you don't buy and bring your own bandages, you won't be getting fresh ones. So you can imagine what it is like for things costlier than bandages. There was a Russian VDV (paratrooper) guy who was injured in the initial assault on Kyiv. His biography is a good description of what top echelon Russian troops get for medical care. So, the graphic is wrong in that Ivan does not put forth a bunch of resources on medical care so you're not tying up as many economic resources as you think. And the lack of emphasis on medical care also means many of the wounded progress to dead or permanently combat ineffective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqQ3ZAAXsAAwGIp?format=png&name=900x900 Except you can get wounded back after they go through the medical/replacement system. You can't get dead people back. This is important in long wars. That graphic assumes a level of care that simply does not exist in Russia. The "free" healthcare and the healthcare given to military is about as bare bones as it gets. If you don't buy and bring your own bandages, you won't be getting fresh ones. So you can imagine what it is like for things costlier than bandages. There was a Russian VDV (paratrooper) guy who was injured in the initial assault on Kyiv. His biography is a good description of what top echelon Russian troops get for medical care. So, the graphic is wrong in that Ivan does not put forth a bunch of resources on medical care so you're not tying up as many economic resources as you think. And the lack of emphasis on medical care also means many of the wounded progress to dead or permanently combat ineffective. Can you post a link to that? I'm curious what he got in the wonderful people's healthcare system... |
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