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Posted: 2/9/2022 2:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wtfboombrb: The woman doing the killing in the video has 10 confirmed. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2022-02-08_6_32_37_PM_png-2272248.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2022-02-08_6_33_15_PM_png-2272251.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2022-02-08_6_33_59_PM_png-2272258.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2022-02-08_6_32_04_PM_png-2272260.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2022-02-08_6_31_30_PM_png-2272262.JPG I'll tell you right now, this is why Ukraine gonna lose any war. WOMEN in the armed forces. They should be home, tending the household for the men who are fighting. Not out their with there periods, questionin orders. Fuckin clown world! |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 2:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: I'll tell you right now, this is why Ukraine gonna lose any war. WOMEN in the armed forces. They should be home, tending the household for the men who are fighting. Not out their with there periods, questionin orders. Fuckin clown world!  
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Posted: 2/9/2022 2:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyHat: Going official is a mark in its favor. Our regime coordinates less officially, so guys like you lap up crap you'd reject if it had a brand label. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyHat: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: No. RT is official, funded by the Russian government, State propaganda. It exists SOLELY for that purpose, and as Russia goes to war, it is a tool of the Russian Information Operations campaign. Anyone who can’t see that is merely a success story of the Russian propaganda campaign Going official is a mark in its favor. Our regime coordinates less officially, so guys like you lap up crap you'd reject if it had a brand label. It is branded; by the Kremlin. Basically everything you read on RT change it to ‘the Kremlin said x’. Then you have the proper perspective. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: I'll tell you right now, this is why Ukraine gonna lose any war. WOMEN in the armed forces. They should be home, tending the household for the men who are fighting. Not out their with there periods, questionin orders. Fuckin clown world! How does someone post here from the 1890s? |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 2:43:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 715700]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: I'll tell you right now, this is why Ukraine gonna lose any war. WOMEN in the armed forces. They should be home, tending the household for the men who are fighting. Not out their with there periods, questionin orders. Fuckin clown world! You try a bit too hard. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 4:10:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Layer60: This thread is eaten up with it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Layer60: Originally Posted By voodochild: ARFCOM version of herpes. This thread is eaten up with it. I couldn't find any popcorn. So house wine will have to do. We are 13 glasses in, between us, and moved to a bar. So add 3 Cocaine vodka cocktails for me, various cocktails for her, a beer earlier in the mall, and lots of пиздец from the wife. Thanks for the posters keeping this thread entertaining and informative.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 5:00:56 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that it's at least partly because Crimea is important to them.
Nice Title Award goes to - https://www.gzeromedia.com/crimea-river-russia-ukraines-water-conflict https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/backgrounder-the-water-crisis-in-crimea/ |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 5:24:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2022 5:46:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Looks like APC's being trucked into Kursk.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 6:50:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2tired2run]
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Landing ships moving into the black sea.
Putin got his super yahct out of Germany before work was completed.
More details here: https://news.yahoo.com/putins-superyacht-abruptly-left-germany-205427185.html ETA: For someone that is supposed to be looking for a way out Putin sure as hell is dumping a lot of hardware and people into a small area. If he just wanted to create a buffer zone I don't think he needs this much people and hardware, hell he's already got his buffer zone from 2014. My uneducated opinion he's looking to take a large chunk out of Ukraine, either that or this will be the most expensive military parade in a while. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 6:57:23 PM EDT
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If you think about this... Russia cannot invade Ukraine if they are part of NATO without huge losses. It seems that
he can probably get away with it if he takes it now. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: If you think about this... Russia cannot invade Ukraine if they are part of NATO without huge losses. It seems that he can probably get away with it if he takes it now. I don't think troops have been moved a thousand miles for shits and giggles. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:10:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Swampgrass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: If you think about this... Russia cannot invade Ukraine if they are part of NATO without huge losses. It seems that he can probably get away with it if he takes it now. Edit-Hang fire. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: I don't think troops have been moved a thousand miles for shits and giggles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By Banditman: If you think about this... Russia cannot invade Ukraine if they are part of NATO without huge losses. It seems that he can probably get away with it if he takes it now. I don't think troops have been moved a thousand miles for shits and giggles. Four thousand miles. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:24:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMeh, didn't sound like a dude that's gonna start war. Both sides will reach across the aisle at the last hour and nothing much will happen. Maybe eastern The Ukraine will get taken but WW3 ain't happening. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Putin got his super yahct out of Germany before work was completed.
More details here: https://news.yahoo.com/putins-superyacht-abruptly-left-germany-205427185.html Thats the kind of subtle detail that makes my butthole clench. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 7:42:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Schmigs]
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Russia and Belarus are about to launch exercises at the Ukrainian border starting thursday.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ukraine-and-west-on-alert-for-start-of-major-russia-belarus-war-games-1.4798005 Russia and Belarus plan to launch major joint military exercises on Thursday close to the Ukrainian border, amid intense diplomacy to avert what some western capitals see as Kremlin preparations for a new potential invasion of Ukraine. As part of a military build-up of more than 100,000 Russian soldiers to the north, south and east of Ukraine, Moscow has sent armoured vehicles, fighter jets and S-400 and Iskander missile systems into Belarus along with what Nato estimates to be 30,000 troops. The concentration of forces near the Belarus-Ukraine frontier which is just 150km from Kyiv has focused the attention of major western intelligence services on whether Russia may plan to use its ally's territory to launch an attack on the Ukrainian capital. Ukraine intends to hold its own 10-day drills to run in parallel with the Russia-Belarus exercises, taking place in border areas and including training with anti-tank weapons that Kyiv has received recently from the United States and Britain, and military drones bought from Turkey. Russia says it is not planning a new invasion, but has also threatened to take "military-technical" steps if the West does not bar Ukraine and other eastern European countries from joining Nato, and the alliance does not withdraw its troops and weapons from the region demands that the US and other major Nato states have rejected. Moscow is also demanding that Ukraine implement the Minsk accords on the war in its eastern Donbas region, which Kyiv signed in 2014 and 2015 under huge Russian military pressure, and which critics say would deeply undermine the country's sovereignty. Senior government advisers from Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France will meet in Paris to discuss the conflict on Thursday, when British prime minister Boris Johnson will hold talks on the security crisis in Poland and his foreign minister Liz Truss will be in Moscow. Diplomatic solution Ms Truss said she would "urge Russia to pursue a diplomatic solution and make clear that another Russian invasion of a sovereign state would bring massive consequences for all involved". "Russia should be in no doubt about the strength of our response. We have said many times that any further invasion would incur severe costs, including through a co-ordinated package of sanctions," she said. Washington has vowed to inflict "massive" costs on Russia if it launches a new attack on Ukraine, where in 2014 it occupied Crimea and started its proxy war in Donbas. After meeting German chancellor Olaf Scholz this week, US president Joe Biden said those measures would include ensuring that the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline between Russia and Germany never became operational. Mr Scholz hosted talks with French president Emmanuel Macron and Polish president Andrzej Duda on Tuesday evening, after which they jointly urged Russia "to de-escalate the situation at the Ukrainian border and engage in a meaningful dialogue on security on the European continent." The US is now deploying 1,700 troops to Poland and 1,000 to Romania to bolster the region's security during the current crisis; the soldiers in Poland will prepare to help American citizens who flee to the country in the event of an attack on neighbouring Ukraine, unnamed US officials told Reuters. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 8:23:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Charging_Handle]
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With each passing day, Russia looks more and more like dogshit in the eyes of the rest of the world. I just saw the results of a new survey taken in Europe that actually shocked me a bit.
 This sort of news should send shockwaves through the Kremlin. When European nations collectively approve (62% in favor) of going to war against Russia over Ukraine, you know the Russians have really fucked up. Just consider how much that average was pulled down by the more pussified European nations. And even 40+% of the people in those pussified nations think NATO should go to war with Russia if they invade Ukraine. Russia better tread very carefully here. They aren't ten feet tall and bulletproof, no matter how much Putin tries to push his chest out for the cameras. They could easily bite off more than they can chew here. And if public opinion is already against them this much, imagine how bad it will get if they do invade and the death and destruction plays around the world on TV and their atrocities revealed to everyone? Russia would quickly surpass Iran and be fighting it out with North Korea to see who can be the most hated nation in the world. Much is at stake here. Right now western nations are only talking sanctions. But politicians shift with the wind. If public opinion starts to shift toward direct action, things could go beyond sanctions and turn kinetic pretty fast. This is the danger Russia faces here. Once they jump, they won't necessarily be able to control where things go from there. They cannot be sure that sanctions are the only response they will face. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 8:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: With each passing day, Russia looks more and more like dogshit in the eyes of the rest of the world. I just saw the results of a new survey taken in Europe that actually shocked me a bit.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLJl-isXwAI51zt?format=jpg&name=large This sort of news should send shockwaves through the Kremlin. When European nations collectively approve (62% in favor) of going to war against Russia over Ukraine, you know the Russians have really fucked up. Just consider how much that average was pulled down by the more pussified European nations. And even 40+% of the people in those pussified nations think NATO should go to war with Russia if they invade Ukraine. Russia better tread very carefully here. They aren't ten feet tall and bulletproof, no matter how much Putin tries to push his chest out for the cameras. They could easily bite off more than they can chew here. And if public opinion is already against them this much, imagine how bad it will get if they do invade and the death and destruction plays around the world on TV and their atrocities revealed to everyone? Russia would quickly surpass Iran and be fighting it out with North Korea to see who can be the most hated nation in the world. Much is at stake here. Right now western nations are only talking sanctions. But politicians shift with the wind. If public opinion starts to shift toward direct action, things could go beyond sanctions and turn kinetic pretty fast. This is the danger Russia faces here. Once they jump, they won't necessarily be able to control where things go from there. They cannot be sure that sanctions are the only response they will face. Where are you getting the 62% number? |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 8:47:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Charging_Handle]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tstorms: Where are you getting the 62% number? Two different questions in that survey. The 62% number is the average of all European responders who think NATO should intervene if Russia invades Ukraine. The other set of numbers shows what percentage of responders think their own nations should intervene militarily on behalf of Ukraine. I honestly would have never expected either set of numbers to be so high. I mean we are talking about Europeans here. Hehe. But these numbers include responders from France, Germany, Sweden, Italy, etc. It isn't just Poland and the eastern Euro nations. But the Poles are certainly some committed bastards. Even when asked if their country specifically should come to the aid of Ukraine militarily if Russia invades, 65% answered in the affirmative! My respect for Poles grows more and more each day. They are some truly ballsy motherfuckers! |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 9:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: With each passing day, Russia looks more and more like dogshit in the eyes of the rest of the world. I just saw the results of a new survey taken in Europe that actually shocked me a bit.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLJl-isXwAI51zt?format=jpg&name=large This sort of news should send shockwaves through the Kremlin. When European nations collectively approve (62% in favor) of going to war against Russia over Ukraine, you know the Russians have really fucked up. Just consider how much that average was pulled down by the more pussified European nations. And even 40+% of the people in those pussified nations think NATO should go to war with Russia if they invade Ukraine. Russia better tread very carefully here. They aren't ten feet tall and bulletproof, no matter how much Putin tries to push his chest out for the cameras. They could easily bite off more than they can chew here. And if public opinion is already against them this much, imagine how bad it will get if they do invade and the death and destruction plays around the world on TV and their atrocities revealed to everyone? Russia would quickly surpass Iran and be fighting it out with North Korea to see who can be the most hated nation in the world. Much is at stake here. Right now western nations are only talking sanctions. But politicians shift with the wind. If public opinion starts to shift toward direct action, things could go beyond sanctions and turn kinetic pretty fast. This is the danger Russia faces here. Once they jump, they won't necessarily be able to control where things go from there. They cannot be sure that sanctions are the only response they will face. I bet the Poles still believe the Russians killed their President back 10 or so years ago (not to mention 50 years of Soviet oppression). They want some Russkie blood and revenge. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 9:49:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
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Meanwhile there has been no invasion and the Biden Government is sending Kamala Harris to Security Conference talks in Munich to be held between 18th - 20th Feb.
The invasion that could happen any day, checks calendar, unlikely to happen for another 10+ days. Meanwhile in other happenings Putin offers to withdraw troops from Belorussia, lol checks notes, because an invasion through the Pripet marshes would be a logistical challenge and was not the intention in the first place. Maskirovka. Then again the Ardennes were very difficult too. :) |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 9:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Meanwhile there has been no invasion and the Biden Government is sending Kamala Harris to Security Conference talks in Munich to be held between 18th - 20th Feb. The invasion that could happen any day, checks calendar, unlikely to happen for another 10+ days. Meanwhile in other happenings Putin offers to withdraw troops from Belorussia, lol checks notes, because an invasion through the Pripet marshes would be a logistical challenge. Russians have already invaded Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 9:58:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Russians have already invaded Ukraine. Yes................and, this thread is in reference to the current situation. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:02:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cincinnatus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Meanwhile there has been no invasion and the Biden Government is sending Kamala Harris to Security Conference talks in Munich to be held between 18th - 20th Feb. The invasion that could happen any day, checks calendar, unlikely to happen for another 10+ days. Meanwhile in other happenings Putin offers to withdraw troops from Belorussia, lol checks notes, because an invasion through the Pripet marshes would be a logistical challenge and was not the intention in the first place. Maskirovka. Then again the Ardennes were very difficult to. :) Putin never offered to withdraw troops. Russia denies those stories. He’s simply stalling. Meanwhile, his massing of forces at Ukraine’s borders is accelerating. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:05:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
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and yet Harris is going to talks in Munch, 18th - 20th Feb.
and yet it was widely reported Putin was prepared to remove troops from Belorussia Maskirovka. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: and yet Harris is going to talks in Munch, 18th - 20th Feb. So what? Harris had no say in what is going to happen. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:08:24 PM EDT
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Kamala will fix everything guys just you wait and see. She's fixed everything she's been put in charge of so far.
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:09:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
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I'll check back in 10 days.
Its just another game of liars poker. Until next time. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Kamala will fix everything guys just you wait and see. She's fixed everything she's been put in charge of so far. I have a trip to the Florida Keys planned for 16-20 February. While there, I’m going to stop Putin from invading Ukraine! |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:10:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Meh, didn't sound like a dude that's gonna start war. Both sides will reach across the aisle at the last hour and nothing much will happen. Maybe eastern The Ukraine will get taken but WW3 ain't happening. Threatening nuclear de-escalation in response to Crimea being invaded is kind of silly. There have been no moves by anyone to take Crimea by force, except for that 2014 incident. Thinks every proposal the Russians sent NATO are achievable.. This guy is just fucking about before invading Ukraine (fully). |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:11:08 PM EDT
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There are 17,000 foreign fighters from 27 countries in Ukraine preparing to fight Russia as a part of the Georgian Legion. Beyond Georgians, there are Americans, Brits, Aussies, Indians (dot), Albanians, among others.
 Gravitas Ukraine Direct: Inside Ukraine's training camp for foreign fighters WION/Gravitas may be based in India, but they have some of the best coverage from Ukraine I have seen from any news source. They post multiple updates on YT every day for anyone who might want to keep an eye out. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Putin never offered to withdraw troops. Russia denies those stories. He’s simply stalling. Meanwhile, his massing of forces at Ukraine’s borders is accelerating. Did they say they were leaving Belarus after their exercise and selling them the equipment after they're done? Swear I read that. Of course that doesn't account for the other troops and gear. Bet he takes eastern Ukraine to connect Crimea. Which might be why he's pushing for not allowing Ukraine to join NATO after. They'd no longer be a contested country or whatever. He either does nothing or takes a large part and leaves the rest. Don't think he could pull off the whole country. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: Thats the kind of subtle detail that makes my butthole clench. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Putin got his super yahct out of Germany before work was completed.
More details here: https://news.yahoo.com/putins-superyacht-abruptly-left-germany-205427185.html Thats the kind of subtle detail that makes my butthole clench. Exactly |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Did they say they were leaving Belarus after their exercise and selling them the equipment after they're done? Swear I read that. Of course that doesn't account for the other troops and gear. Bet he takes eastern Ukraine to connect Crimea. Which might be why he's pushing for not allowing Ukraine to join NATO after. They'd no longer be a contested country or whatever. He either does nothing or takes a large part and leaves the rest. Don't think he could pull off the whole country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Putin never offered to withdraw troops. Russia denies those stories. He’s simply stalling. Meanwhile, his massing of forces at Ukraine’s borders is accelerating. Did they say they were leaving Belarus after their exercise and selling them the equipment after they're done? Swear I read that. Of course that doesn't account for the other troops and gear. Bet he takes eastern Ukraine to connect Crimea. Which might be why he's pushing for not allowing Ukraine to join NATO after. They'd no longer be a contested country or whatever. He either does nothing or takes a large part and leaves the rest. Don't think he could pull off the whole country. It would be easier to take what he wants, if he first takes Kyiv. All observable indicators seem to point that way. More each day. ESPECIALLY the silly meeting with Macron. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:27:12 PM EDT
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https://www.reuters.com/markets/stocks/live-markets-talking-about-ukraine-what-are-odds-2022-02-01/
Take this with a grain of salt, and it’s a week old, but the “analysts” in this Reuters article put the odds at: Peaceful resolution - 60% Limited invasion - 30% Full scale invasion - 10% |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: https://www.reuters.com/markets/stocks/live-markets-talking-about-ukraine-what-are-odds-2022-02-01/ Take this with a grain of salt, and it’s a week old, but the “analysts” in this Reuters article put the odds at: Peaceful resolution - 60% Limited invasion - 30% Full scale invasion - 10% At this stage in the game, the opinions of those people are FAR less relevant that the opinions found in this thread. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 10:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: With each passing day, Russia looks more and more like dogshit in the eyes of the rest of the world. I just saw the results of a new survey taken in Europe that actually shocked me a bit.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLJl-isXwAI51zt?format=jpg&name=large This sort of news should send shockwaves through the Kremlin. When European nations collectively approve (62% in favor) of going to war against Russia over Ukraine, you know the Russians have really fucked up. Just consider how much that average was pulled down by the more pussified European nations. And even 40+% of the people in those pussified nations think NATO should go to war with Russia if they invade Ukraine. Russia better tread very carefully here. They aren't ten feet tall and bulletproof, no matter how much Putin tries to push his chest out for the cameras. They could easily bite off more than they can chew here. And if public opinion is already against them this much, imagine how bad it will get if they do invade and the death and destruction plays around the world on TV and their atrocities revealed to everyone? Russia would quickly surpass Iran and be fighting it out with North Korea to see who can be the most hated nation in the world. Much is at stake here. Right now western nations are only talking sanctions. But politicians shift with the wind. If public opinion starts to shift toward direct action, things could go beyond sanctions and turn kinetic pretty fast. This is the danger Russia faces here. Once they jump, they won't necessarily be able to control where things go from there. They cannot be sure that sanctions are the only response they will face. From the examples shown there's only one country above 62%. I'm sure the Baltic states and Ukraine have similar numbers, but overall I find it difficult to believe. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 11:06:56 PM EDT
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Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Russia that NATO member states will "draw lines in the snow" over the Ukraine crisis.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-tells-russia-that-nato-will-draw-lines-in-the-snow-over-ukraine-crisis-12537713 
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Posted: 2/9/2022 11:18:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAspeedmaster: Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Russia that NATO member states will "draw lines in the snow" over the Ukraine crisis. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-tells-russia-that-nato-will-draw-lines-in-the-snow-over-ukraine-crisis-12537713 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif LT gettin busy with a krink |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 11:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAspeedmaster: Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Russia that NATO member states will "draw lines in the snow" over the Ukraine crisis. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-tells-russia-that-nato-will-draw-lines-in-the-snow-over-ukraine-crisis-12537713 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif I think they will act after the Crimea disaster. They better show signs of major mobilization PDQ, though. |
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Posted: 2/9/2022 11:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAspeedmaster: Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Russia that NATO member states will "draw lines in the snow" over the Ukraine crisis. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-tells-russia-that-nato-will-draw-lines-in-the-snow-over-ukraine-crisis-12537713 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif 
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Posted: 2/10/2022 8:16:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Kamala will fix everything guys just you wait and see. She's fixed everything she's been put in charge of so far. She will go to Munich and fake a German accent and everything will be ok |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 10:47:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAspeedmaster: Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Russia that NATO member states will "draw lines in the snow" over the Ukraine crisis. https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-tells-russia-that-nato-will-draw-lines-in-the-snow-over-ukraine-crisis-12537713 /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif Other than keeping the UK's exit out of the EU in play, he's been quite the disappointment. |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 10:48:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: It would be easier to take what he wants, if he first takes Kyiv. All observable indicators seem to point that way. More each day. ESPECIALLY the silly meeting with Macron. |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 11:30:02 AM EDT
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It's all about negotiation
"I expect we'll have this crisis with us, in various forms, for all of 2022, at least," Sushentsov said in the report. He explained that the Kremlin's goal is not necessarily a full-scale attack on Ukraine, but to "keep the threat of war ever-present, and thus compel negotiations that Western officials have avoided until now." Bingo. |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 11:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: It's all about negotiation "I expect we'll have this crisis with us, in various forms, for all of 2022, at least," Sushentsov said in the report. He explained that the Kremlin's goal is not necessarily a full-scale attack on Ukraine, but to "keep the threat of war ever-present, and thus compel negotiations that Western officials have avoided until now." Bingo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: It's all about negotiation "I expect we'll have this crisis with us, in various forms, for all of 2022, at least," Sushentsov said in the report. He explained that the Kremlin's goal is not necessarily a full-scale attack on Ukraine, but to "keep the threat of war ever-present, and thus compel negotiations that Western officials have avoided until now." Bingo. I'm not sure what endstate Russia would negotiate for. They've successfully blocked Ukraine's entry to NATO for the foreseeable future. If the threat is NATO needs to leave Eastern Europe or we'll invade Ukraine, they must see the paradox of that situation. I'm not convinced Russia is negotiating in good faith. It feels more like a hostage situation. Also, this: Ruslan Pukhov, who runs the Moscow-based, privately-owned think tank, Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, said that the U.S. and NATO don’t understand the existential threat posed to Russia if Ukraine is offered NATO membership. “The West just doesn’t understand how much this is a question of life or death for us,” Pukhov explained in the report. “Ukraine in NATO, from my point of view or Russia’s, would be the equivalent of nuclear war.” Is a main Russian propaganda talking point and undermines the validity of the article. |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 11:48:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2022 1:36:09 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: I'm not sure what endstate Russia would negotiate for. They've successfully blocked Ukraine's entry to NATO for the foreseeable future. If the threat is NATO needs to leave Eastern Europe or we'll invade Ukraine, they must see the paradox of that situation. I'm not convinced Russia is negotiating in good faith. It feels more like a hostage situation. Also, this: Is a main Russian propaganda talking point and undermines the validity of the article. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By rca2222: It's all about negotiation "I expect we'll have this crisis with us, in various forms, for all of 2022, at least," Sushentsov said in the report. He explained that the Kremlin's goal is not necessarily a full-scale attack on Ukraine, but to "keep the threat of war ever-present, and thus compel negotiations that Western officials have avoided until now." Bingo. I'm not sure what endstate Russia would negotiate for. They've successfully blocked Ukraine's entry to NATO for the foreseeable future. If the threat is NATO needs to leave Eastern Europe or we'll invade Ukraine, they must see the paradox of that situation. I'm not convinced Russia is negotiating in good faith. It feels more like a hostage situation. Also, this: Ruslan Pukhov, who runs the Moscow-based, privately-owned think tank, Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, said that the U.S. and NATO don't understand the existential threat posed to Russia if Ukraine is offered NATO membership. "The West just doesn't understand how much this is a question of life or death for us," Pukhov explained in the report. "Ukraine in NATO, from my point of view or Russia's, would be the equivalent of nuclear war." Is a main Russian propaganda talking point and undermines the validity of the article. Nobody likes to have their enemies on their border. I maintain that Putin probably wants water for Crimea, the absorption of the breakaway republics, and a way to make NATO the next guy's problem. |
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