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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 3:48:29 PM EDT
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https://twitter.com/pstyle0ne1/status/1649498489905205249

‼️ There are reports that two bombs actually fell on Belgorod...

The second went underground in a neighboring block, but it did not explode. Now access there is closed, explosive experts are working on the spot.

According to Belgorod journalist Nikita Parmenov, the Belgorod administration does not admit to it.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 3:51:56 PM EDT
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I hope after all this is done we can link up with some ukranians and point them in those directions.

Call it Ukranians war on terrorists
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 3:58:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://twitter.com/pstyle0ne1/status/1649498489905205249

‼️ There are reports that two bombs actually fell on Belgorod...

The second went underground in a neighboring block, but it did not explode. Now access there is closed, explosive experts are working on the spot.

According to Belgorod journalist Nikita Parmenov, the Belgorod administration does not admit to it.


Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:13:45 PM EDT
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Good article but can the entire US military/admin be this stupid?  If you want it over this year then give UA the long range weapons to enable taking back 100% of its territory. Fence sitters piss off both sides. Compromise is not leadership, it is lazy like a plea deal.
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The US Congress is mostly lawyers. Hence, how they seem to only know how to plea deal....
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:13:58 PM EDT
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Desert gear heading somewhere.






Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:17:39 PM EDT
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Ukraine produced armored vehicles based on Toyota Landcruiser.



Sorry Ukeboys, no ERA yet.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:20:01 PM EDT
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Is the US equipment the only ones in desert colors?

Just curious what tanks are in those colors....
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:30:25 PM EDT
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Latest from Zekensky
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:33:24 PM EDT
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File this under
Dumbest Tweets I Read Today…

More of the Ru narrative of UKR persecuting Christians. Just what religion do you think dominates in Ukraine, and why would Christians be exempt from conscription?

Never heard of the media outlet National File but assume it is agitprop.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:47:25 PM EDT
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/04/19/whats-perfectly-round-made-of-metal-and-keeping-russia-from-replacing-the-2000-tanks-its-lost-in-ukraine/?sh=32de6e7e23f2

 What’s Perfectly Round, Made Of Metal, And Keeping Russia From Replacing the 2,000 Tanks It’s Lost In Ukraine?
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A shortage of modern optics is throttling Russia’s ability to manufacture new T-72BM3 and T-90M tanks, and restore older T-72s, T-80s and T-90s, to make good the thousands of tanks it’s lost its wider war on Ukraine.

But optics aren’t the only thing in short supply in the Russian armored vehicle industry. The Russians also are desperately short of ball-bearings, which they used to get from the United States and Europe before the United States and Europe tightened their sanctions on Russian industry.

A new study from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C. confirmed what independent analysts have been saying for months. Tanks and other modern armored vehicles need a lot of ball-bearings. And Russia doesn’t have enough bearings to maintain steady production of new vehicles.  
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More in link.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:54:11 PM EDT
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Didn't India cut off money to Russia for their supposed "joint" development of their "advanced" fighter? Seems to me like Russia is wanting India to pay for stuff they haven't gotten (and may not ever get).
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:56:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By K0UA:
Lets do some math:

There are about 3902 pages in this thread. Each page is 50 posts So 50 X 3902 is 195,100..

So there are about 185,000 dead orcs.  so ALMOST every time you post an orc gets his wings...er..barbed pitchfork.

Think about that.  I believe we should all post more.  



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Brilliant.

I so wish that logic was true, if it was I'd post more and read less.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:57:53 PM EDT
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https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992


The Federal Government supports the Ukrainian military in close coordination with its partners and allies. This list provides an overview of lethal and non-lethal German military support for Ukraine. It includes deliveries from the Federal Armed Forces, as well as supplies from German industry financed from the Federal Government’s funds for so-called security capacity building.

Funding for the security capacity building initiative amounts to a total of 2.2 billion Euros for the year 2023 (after 2 billion Euros for 2022). The funds are to be used primarily to support Ukraine. At the same time, they will be used to finance Germany’s increased mandatory contributions to the European Peace Facility (EPF), which in turn goes towards reimbursing EU member states for costs incurred to them in providing support for Ukraine.

Delivered military support to Ukraine:

(Changes compared to the previous week in bold)

air defence system PATRIOT with missiles
76 trucks Zetros* (before: 60)
124 border protection vehicles* (before: 122)

4 armoured engineer vehicles DACHS* (before: 3)
42 mobile antenna mast systems* (before: 34)
34 reconnaissance drones* (before: 26)
83,520 rounds ammunition 40mm* (before: 60.000)
18 LEOPARD 2 A 6 main battle tanks with ammunition (joint project with further LEOPARD 2 operators)
40 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER with ammunition (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
2 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 3
2 mine clearing tanks WISENT 1*
160,000 first aid kits*
103.000 tourniquets
100 MG3 for LEOPARD 2, MARDER and DACHS
Spare parts for LEOPARD 2 and MARDER
90 drone detection systems*
500 pistols SFP9*
2 hangar tents*
23,500 projectiles 155mm
155mm precision guided ammunition*
ammunition for multiple rocket launchers MARS II
8 lift trucks*
295 generators
34 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD including circa 6.000 rounds of ammunition*
6 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER*
10 winter camouflage nets
26 load-handling trucks 15t*
32 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
10 roll off containers
Iris-T SLM missiles*
3 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
40 laser target designators* (before: 20)
12 truck tractor trains and 4 semi-trailers*
145 Pick-ups*
8 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
168 mobile heating systems*
20 rocket launchers 70mm on pick-up trucks with rockets*
15 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2*
12 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
7 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles for support tasks*
35 load-handling trucks 8x8
36 ambulances*
36.400 wool blankets
12 heavy duty trailer trucks*
55 anti-drone sensors and jammers*
50 MRAP vehicles DINGO
10 unmanned surface vessels*
14,000 sleeping bags
Mi-24 spare parts*
spare parts for heavy machine gun M2
17 heavy and medium bridge systems*
5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II with ammunition
14 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 (joint project with the Netherlands)
air defence system Iris-T SLM*
200 tents
116.000 winter jackets
80.000 winter trousers
240.000 winter hats
405,000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
67 fridges for medical material*
counter battery radar system COBRA*
4,000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
54 M113 armoured personnel carriers (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)*
53,000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
3,000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
14,900 anti-tank mines (9,300* from industry stocks)
500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
2,700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA
22 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
50 bunker buster missiles
100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
100,000 hand grenades
5,300 explosive charges
100,000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
350,000 detonators
10 anti-drone guns*
100 auto-injector devices
28,000 combat helmets
15 palettes military clothing
280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
125 binoculars
1,200 hospital beds
18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
protective clothing, surgical masks
600 safety glasses
1 radio frequency system
3,000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)*
353 night vision goggles*
12 electronic anti-drone devices*
165 field glasses*
medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
38 laser range finders*
Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries)*
10 tons AdBlue*
500 medical gauzes*
MiG-29 spare parts*
30 protected vehicles*
7,944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador*
6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
7 radio jammers*
8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
1 high frequency unit with equipment*
Military support to Ukraine in planning/in execution

(due to security concerns, the Federal Government abstains from providing details on transportation modalities and dates until after handover)

6,350 projectiles 155mm*
Iris-T SLM missiles*
20 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER*
300.000 rounds of GEPARD ammunition
2 air surveillance radars*
78 truck tractor trains and 86 semi-trailers*
8 mobile antenna mast systems*
40,000 first aid kits*
108 reconnaissance drones*
1 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
17 mobile heating systems*
18 wheeled self-propelled howitzers RCH 155*
7 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 18 roll of containers*
3 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD*
7 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles for support tasks*
6 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
40 mine clearing tanks WISENT 1*
5 mobile reconnaissance systems (on vehicles) *
376 border protection vehicles*
132,480 rounds ammunition 40mm*
1 armoured engineer vehicles DACHS*  
3 heavy and medium bridge systems*
16 self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (joint project with Denmark and Norway)
78 heavy duty trailer trucks*
3 air defence system IRIS-T SLM*
12 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*
field hospital (role 2)*
8 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
2 tractors and 4 trailers*
10 protected vehicles*
vehicle decontamination system
5,032 man-portable anti-tank weapons*
124 trucks*
The total value of individual licenses issued by the Federal Government for the export of military goods in the period from January 1, 2022 to April 17, 2023 amounts to 2.748.163.254 Euro. The total license value includes the goods listed above insofar as their export is subject to licensing requirements under German foreign trade laws. This is not the case for all of the goods listed above. In order to speed up the processing of certain deliveries, the Federal Government has also eased certain licensing processes, e.g. with regard to military protective goods. These deliveries are also not included in the total license value. The values stated for used material from the German Armed Forces are also based on current values which can be significantly lower than the corresponding values for new or replacement goods. The total license value includes the goods regardless of how their procurement and delivery were financed. For security reasons, the Federal Government does not provide further details until the goods have been delivered.

* Deliveries from industry stocks financed by German funds for security capacity building. Some of the deliveries require upgrades or productions is ongoing; also training measures take place.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 4:58:27 PM EDT
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Didn't India cut off money to Russia for their supposed "joint" development of their "advanced" fighter? Seems to me like Russia is wanting India to pay for stuff they haven't gotten (and may not ever get).
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Didn't India cut off money to Russia for their supposed "joint" development of their "advanced" fighter? Seems to me like Russia is wanting India to pay for stuff they haven't gotten (and may not ever get).



India has a long long long history of not paying for stuff and wanting something for nothing.

One example is their Indian FAL Inch L1A1 rifle.
It was a mix of metric and inch pattern builds and they never paid a royalty license to FN or anyone while claiming it was a domestic rifle designed on their own dime.
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That gravy train of free and cheap MiG21 is what kept India from falling over from constant Pakistan and Chinese aggression.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 5:05:35 PM EDT
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/20/ukraine-spring-counteroffensive-weapons-war-united-states/


“The Russians are using more precise weapons and causing a lot of damage,” she said. “Ukraine has old weapons.” Ukraine only has enough air defense to cover a few cities and has been trying to stopgap the arrival of U.S.-made Patriot batteries, which began arriving this week, with Soviet-era Buk missiles and the medium-range Hawk missile system, which the U.S. Army stopped using in the 1990s and arrived in Ukraine without radars.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 5:16:44 PM EDT
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India has a long long long history of not paying for stuff and wanting something for nothing.

One example is their Indian FAL Inch L1A1 rifle.
It was a mix of metric and inch pattern builds and they never paid a royalty license to FN or anyone while claiming it was a domestic rifle designed on their own dime.
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That gravy train of free and cheap MiG21 is what kept India from falling over from constant Pakistan and Chinese aggression.
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Originally Posted By planemaker:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Didn't India cut off money to Russia for their supposed "joint" development of their "advanced" fighter? Seems to me like Russia is wanting India to pay for stuff they haven't gotten (and may not ever get).



India has a long long long history of not paying for stuff and wanting something for nothing.

One example is their Indian FAL Inch L1A1 rifle.
It was a mix of metric and inch pattern builds and they never paid a royalty license to FN or anyone while claiming it was a domestic rifle designed on their own dime.
🙄

That gravy train of free and cheap MiG21 is what kept India from falling over from constant Pakistan and Chinese aggression.


I would say they deserve each other but I'm not sure that's true. India distrusts ChinaIsAsshoe more than Russia distrusts ChinaIsAsshoe. "Enemy of my enemy" and all but certainly not our friend.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 5:46:01 PM EDT
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And we didn't have to bomb Regensburg and  Schweinfurt this time!

Link Posted: 4/21/2023 5:49:37 PM EDT
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Interesting and pathetic. I guess we should be happy and surprised that we are helping at all and hope for the best.
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Win or Lose, Ukraine’s Big Offensive May Put Biden in a Bind
The US wants Kyiv to be successful in its spring push, but not too successful.

https://archive.ph/Uv2aj

The US strategy in Ukraine is premised on the idea that the war there will end, or dramatically de-escalate, this year.

What if it doesn’t? President Joe Biden’s administration has done well in managing that conflict so far. But the longer the war lasts, the harder its politics will be for Biden to manage, and the greater the pressure it will exert on US policy around the globe.

Ukraine’s prospects revolve around its much-anticipated spring offensive. The Ukrainians mostly weathered Russia’s desultory winter offensive, even hanging on — barely — to besieged Bakhmut in the east. Now it is Kyiv’s turn to strike.

Preparatory operations are underway, as Ukraine softens up Russia’s logistics and probes its defenses. It’s anyone’s guess where the major thrust will come — perhaps in the Donbas, or perhaps, more likely, to the south in a bid to sever Russia’s land bridge to Crimea. Either way, the US hopes that the offensive will, by shifting the course of the war, create a pathway to peace.

In public and private, top US officials have articulated the administration’s theory of victory: The idea that a successful, but not too-successful, Ukrainian offensive will lead to a ramping down of the war or even a negotiated settlement.

This strategy involves a mix of pessimism and optimism. Pessimism, in that US officials increasingly doubt Ukraine can liberate all territory Russia has occupied since 2014. Optimism, in that Washington hopes Kyiv can reclaim enough territory to make the country economically viable and militarily defensible, while also putting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military under sufficient strain to make him sue for peace. Which, in turn, will reduce Ukraine’s demands for US assistance, allowing America’s defense industrial base to pivot to other priorities.

As Daniel Drezner writes, America is seeking its Goldilocks option. It needs Ukraine to fare well enough that it can negotiate from strength, but not so well that it believes it doesn’t have to negotiate at all. Washington simultaneously needs to convince Putin that he may lose all his gains — and perhaps his hold on power — if the war continues. But it doesn’t want Putin so desperate that he lashes out wildly, or for China to conclude that it must ramp up support for an ally in danger of suffering a crushing defeat. That sweet spot may exist, but finding it won’t be easy.

Putin, for his part, has little incentive to play along with US strategy. Yes, his military continues to underwhelm. If Ukraine makes major breakthroughs this spring, it will be because Russian forces bled themselves to death in fruitless winter assaults.

But Putin’s theory of victory is that he can outlast Ukraine and its friends, perhaps because America’s attention will eventually be pulled elsewhere. The more Ukraine’s vulnerabilities are revealed, the more Putin’s faith will be strengthened. And the more Washington makes clear how much it needs the war to end, the more likely Putin is to drag it out.

The longer the conflict goes, the more vexing Biden’s dilemmas will become. Funding the Ukraine war effort will get harder; those arguing that a stalemated “territorial dispute” simply distracts America from the real threat posed by China will be empowered. Bureaucratic disputes will get sharper as the Pentagon is asked to do too much with too little. The US may face a choice between slashing support for Ukraine and taking steps that Biden has resisted, such as providing Kyiv with cluster munitions and advanced fighter aircraft or invoking the Defense Production Act to stimulate production in the industrial base.

So far, Biden’s administration has proceeded as though it can give Ukraine the aid it needs, while preparing adequately for a looming conflict with China, while making only marginal increases to the defense budget.
That strategy has always been a gamble. The longer this war goes, the riskier it will be. If Biden wants to win a long fight in Ukraine while reducing the possibility the US might lose in the Pacific, he will have to begin rearming the American military with something like wartime urgency. If he opts not to do that, he may have to decide which geopolitical priority — defeating Russia or deterring China — to sacrifice.

Perhaps the Ukraine conflict will end on Washington’s timetable. But Biden needs to start planning now for what will happen if it doesn’t.

Interesting and pathetic. I guess we should be happy and surprised that we are helping at all and hope for the best.


Yeah it's not the most inspiring strategy that's for sure.

I wonder to what extent it's the Administration vs the larger DC Foreign Policy 'Blob' crafting that plan.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 5:54:17 PM EDT
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I just love it when the fucker turns into the fuckee.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 6:01:19 PM EDT
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Is the US equipment the only ones in desert colors?

Just curious what tanks are in those colors....
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Most of the time, that I have seen.

Those were: M88 Hercules (recovery), M1 Abrams, and M2 Bradley.

I couldn't see any bumper numbers, so without knowing where this was filmed, I don't know if those are intended for Ukrainian or US use.
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We talked about that in here 1k pages ago. It also has an effect on the rail system as well.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 6:06:42 PM EDT
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Eastern Europe, Latvia, Poland, Estonia, help me sleep better. At least there somewhere people have their heads screwed on straight.

I never thought I’d say that!
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 6:14:00 PM EDT
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I don't deny what you or anyone else has to say, negatively about Russia. But to put it into context, does anyone really expect most the people of the US to stand up to the Government machine? They haven't so far and keep on just being lemmings. Russia is just a few decades ahead of the US. And at the rate at which the world spins now, I wonder how long before I will need to move from the Washington DC area (family is all here), to somewhere more conservative, or to take up arms if the entire nations turns to shit and I am defending my family from the roaches from the cities. But back to Russia. Don't many of the people just want to be left alone and live their life? Christ, they don't even have the means to stand up to their government. Just like the Dem's dream in the US.
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…”Only by the opponent’s claws. “

Does not sound like they plan to negotiate for anything less than what they occupy. Therefore, they must be forced to de-occupy every inch.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 6:19:19 PM EDT
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Any speculation on what the bunker buster missiles being supplied in the list posted by prime are? 50 are being sent.
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I just love it when the fucker turns into the fuckee.
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I just love it when the fucker turns into the fuckee.

Or when they both thought they were the fucker only to discover when the light comes on they are both the fuckee.

It would be nice to have the land mass of India firmly on our side but it comes with a hefty bill of graft and endless red tape bureaucracy.
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GMLRS costs 25x what a tank round costs. Switchblade costs 10x as much and would be less effective against at fortifications even with a blast/frag warhead. Artillery requires close coordination and airspace deconfliction, drones are slow and give the enemy extra minutes—sometimes an half hour!—to do to you as they please while you wait. Airpower including fires is not a replacement for tanks.
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Excellent points and very true. But who knows what the future will bring. Someone may develop some EW countermeasure that negates drones completely.
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In diplo-speak, that is a pretty definitive statement. That's going to rustle some jimmies in Beijing.
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But but But ARF SMEs assure us there are no similarities between Fuck-Ukraine and NukeForTaiwan!  Come on, man.

It is refreshing to hear a real SME with responsibilities and skin in the game to draw that direct comparison. Japan’s population may be waning but they have a great tradition of warrior spirit, fighting to the last child and their high technology is second to none.

China, you want Kamakaze Drone Swarm, this is how you get it.

I hope this is a sign to our admin and DoD leaders that Ukraine is not a side show. It should be a wake up call to decisive action. Weakness with Ukraine support will only embolden Xi.
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Eastern Europe, Latvia, Poland, Estonia, help me sleep better. At least there somewhere people have their heads screwed on straight.

I never thought I’d say that!
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Desert gear heading somewhere.









Eastern Europe, Latvia, Poland, Estonia, help me sleep better. At least there somewhere people have their heads screwed on straight.

I never thought I’d say that!

It definitely looks like the sun is setting on the West in terms of self preservation spirit and actions versus the sun rising on Eastern Europe to become much stronger in every way.
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Or when they both thought they were the fucker only to discover when the light comes on they are both the fuckee.

It would be nice to have the land mass of India firmly on our side but it comes with a hefty bill of graft and endless red tape bureaucracy.
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I can tell you from personal experience that Russian ball bearings are some of the worst POS bearings there are. Chinese are bad enough but Russian are beyond garbage, scrapped hundreds of dollars worth new in the wrap.
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I notice the lack of grenade pits in these fighting positions. Given the propensity of drones dropping frags in every hole the find id think that would be a priority.

Every fox hole i ever dug had one but i just don't see them in the videos. They have time to cut in steps though.
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We talked about this WAY back. I always remember a grenade sump but I didnt do much trench fighting training. Some knowledgeable folks here said it's passe and not worth it.

They may fill with water/mud, trip occupants, or just collapse from them walking nearby. Or the grenades go off way before someone can chuck it into a sump. Maybe just not in their doctrine but I'm watching closely what the UA does and doesnt do.

From all the vids I have seen, I have seen 50% of folks just sit there and wait for the grenade to go off while the rest try to scramble away a short distance, often in the wrong direction. I've seen a couple of vids where a defender actually throws back a grenade.

Grenade and anti-grenade training needs to be revisited.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

The US turns an M1A1 into an M1A2 SEP V3 for $4m or less. I can't imagine spares, training and ammunition adding $8m to that. For that price they should be 2A7s at the end and then some.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


Yeah, ensuing from the cost of 165 million Euros for the 14 tanks, they will be completely rebuilt.
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2023/04/20/nederland-koopt-leopard-2-tanks-voor-oekraine
Dutch article.
BTW, Spain has another 20 Leopards in storage:

https://www.stern.de/digital/technik/leopard-2-panzer-fuer-kiew-aus-spanien---darum-scheitert-der-deal-32597368.html
German article.
165 million euros to rebuild 20 tanks?
Am I missing something?
Factory rebuilt, tons of spare parts and ammo, training, fuel, transportation.
This is the price for the whole package.

The US turns an M1A1 into an M1A2 SEP V3 for $4m or less. I can't imagine spares, training and ammunition adding $8m to that. For that price they should be 2A7s at the end and then some.

Big guy's cut must cause some significant markups.
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 7:30:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2023 7:44:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


That seems logical to me. And perhaps those teams would be detached down from the HHC, or split off from a CAV squadron. FSOs might also be a logical home for drones, but they don't (IIRC) have the manning for hardly anything else either.

Tank companies just barely have the manning to keep 14 tanks going, especially around the clock, so I don't see the sense in saddling them with more tasks.

Personally I think tactical drones should be more defensive in nature. Why drop one grenade on somebody when we in the US have the luxury of calling for much bigger and better fires? I think what we are seeing is really just a consequence of the Ukrainians having fairly static lines, and not nearly enough fire support available.

So for us, our 19Ds or 19Ks "could" do the job, but I think 13-series guys makes the best fit. By the way, some of you may have noticed that many of these Ukrainian guys with the specialty AT weapons such as Javelin are coming from Artillery units, because there are fewer of them so apparently they are assigned down more as "fire support".

I think we will find a similar situation by necessity with drones (being expensive, potentially dangerous to friendly forces by attracting CB-fire, clogging up air space, etc., all things that Artillery guys are probably better versed in mitigating than your average tanker or scout). JMHO.
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I don't think they are really defensive.  Not in a US context.  
Bad guys hit and run, you need a UAV guy, some sort of computer plotter guy (we had a 13 series who would read the grids off the shadow, and get the RTO's grids off the BFT) and plot that. Now you have friendlies and enemy.  And the guy i n charge to decide what to do about it. Tell the maneuver guy to maneuver on it, or based on time available, ask for CAS, IDF, rotary.  Or perhaps engage with the UAV if armed.

I think you aid the guys in the platoon by freeing them from the sausage-making and giving them the information...or providing information to populate their screen.  If I had a big fight and a couple of UAVs I guess you'd want to update a map display...but we were moving fast because bad guys were running away to get to a ville.

I agree that you have some targeting priorities to execute, like, stop fixating on that clown with the AK, go look for a guy with an AT asset or radio....there...lets shoot that guy.  But I think in this case it is sequential.  Prep the battlefield by killing high value targets and then guide the maneuver guys.   You may want a little UAV for trench clearing, especially a thermal one at night, but that is if the objective is isolated and you have plenty of time.

There is a bit of an air-traffic controller mindset and not everyone is good at it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 7:55:44 PM EDT
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3000 AIDS infested cock batalions of Putin

‘A Quick Death or a Slow Death’: Prisoners Choose War to Get Lifesaving Drugs
An estimated 20 percent of Russia prisoner recruits are H.I.V. positive. To some, the front lines seemed less risky than prisons where they said they were denied effective treatments.

https://archive.ph/mz7cD

In Russian prisons, they said they were deprived of effective treatments for their H.I.V. On the battlefield in Ukraine, they were offered hope, with the promise of anti-viral medications if they agreed to fight.

It was a recruiting pitch that worked for many Russian prisoners.

About 20 percent of recruits in Russian prisoner units are H.I.V. positive, Ukrainian authorities estimate based on infection rates in captured soldiers. Serving on the front lines seemed less risky than staying in prison, the detainees said in interviews with The New York Times.

“Conditions were very harsh” in Russian prison, said Timur, 37, an H.I.V.-positive Russian soldier interviewed at a detention site in the city of Dnipro in central Ukraine, and identified only by a first name, worried that he would  face retaliation if he returned to Russia in a prisoner swap.

After he was sentenced to 10 years for drug dealing, the doctors in the Russian prison changed the anti-viral medication he had been taking to control H.I.V. to types he feared were not effective, Timur said.

He said he did not think he could survive a decade in Russian prison with H.I.V. In December, he agreed to serve six months in the Wagner mercenary group in exchange for a pardon and supplies of anti-viral medications.

“I understood I would have a quick death or a slow death,” he said of choosing between poor H.I.V. treatment in prison and participating in assaults in Russia’s war in Ukraine. “I chose a quick death.”

Timur had no military experience and was provided two weeks of training before deployment to the front, he said. He was issued a Kalashnikov rifle, 120 bullets, an armored vest and a helmet for the assault. Before sending the soldiers forward, he said, commanders “repeated many times, ‘if you try to leave this field, we will shoot you.’”

...

Another H.I.V.-positive prisoner of war who fought in the Wagner group, Yevgeny, said that he had suffered a gunshot wound a month before his capture by Ukrainian forces, according to a videotaped interrogation by Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency that was reviewed by The Times. He had received timely medical help despite wearing a red bracelet, he said, but was treated in a hospital where he felt doctors were careless about infecting other patients.

“There were no conditions for the H.I.V. infected,” he said. “We were all treated together, the healthy and the unhealthy.”

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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Worth a shitpost, then.  Too bad, Ivan.
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By K0UA:
Lets do some math:

There are about 3902 pages in this thread. Each page is 50 posts So 50 X 3902 is 195,100..

So there are about 185,000 dead orcs.  so ALMOST every time you post an orc gets his wings...er..barbed pitchfork.

Think about that.  I believe we should all post more.  

Worth a shitpost, then.  Too bad, Ivan.

Are we making requests?

I'd like the death associated with my shitpost to be a vatnik so drunk on brake fluid his liver is failing, and he dies in a rollover accident with a VERY expensive piece of equipment. VERY EXPENSIVE.
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did you realize that she is a trannyI meant him

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Originally Posted By CS223:
I can tell you from personal experience that Russian ball bearings are some of the worst POS bearings there are. Chinese are bad enough but Russian are beyond garbage, scrapped hundreds of dollars worth new in the wrap.
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Originally Posted By CS223:
I can tell you from personal experience that Russian ball bearings are some of the worst POS bearings there are. Chinese are bad enough but Russian are beyond garbage, scrapped hundreds of dollars worth new in the wrap.


lol, but seriously, wow.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 8:19:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Billy_Ringo:


I find it interesting that virtually every time Crimea pops up you appear out of nowhere to emphatically declare it's too costly and improbable for the Ukrainians to take it.  It's almost like--you have an agenda.  

Just my opinion.
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Lets wait until after the offensive. If Ukraine is rolling up the Russians en mas then maybe you have a point. Still, geographically, it looks difficult. Crimea was a VERY hard nut to crack in WWII by both the Germans then by the Red Army.
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been offline for a bit, but thought this was worth sharing…this fucking guy.
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 8:32:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:


Is the US equipment the only ones in desert colors?

Just curious what tanks are in those colors....
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
Originally Posted By Prime:
Desert gear heading somewhere.



Is the US equipment the only ones in desert colors?

Just curious what tanks are in those colors....


2 x M8A18 Recovery Vehicles
5 x M1A1 Abrams
1 x M2A2 Bradley
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 8:35:15 PM EDT
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Almost made wine shoot out my nose...
Link Posted: 4/21/2023 8:41:27 PM EDT
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Leopards and M113s



“Chaklun” drone demo.  From two months ago, but I don’t remember it.
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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/europe-war-russia-postimperial-empire

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2023/0421/Pentagon-leaks-Ukrainians-more-focused-on-must-win-battle

https://www.csis.org/analysis/europes-missing-piece-case-air-domain-enablers

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