User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 1:16:01 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. Yeah, that's insane. We have corruption within our government no doubt. But until minority party politicians begin disappearing in the middle of the night, never to be heard from again we are nowhere close to China levels of corruption. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 1:17:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PolarBear416]
[#2]
Dupe
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 1:25:58 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Maybe so. But Russia has deep tendrils in American political society, probably a lot deeper than we know. Those kind of assets are the result of relationships built over decades - heck, generations. 90+ years. And they probably can't just be handed off to China. No doubt China has been building their own network since the 80s or so. The list of anti American groups I'd like to see wither and go away is pretty long. Even just a few of them would be a blessing. What I see as likely is that groups funded, organized and directed from the Kremlin would lobby China and or domestic assholes like bloomturd or soros for funding if money from russia dries up. But then left on their own, without direction from their handlers, would be to stupid to be effective and would lack any coherent message. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:24:55 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can't afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Exactly! China will fill the void. Hell they've been coordinating a lot of their propaganda BS for years anyway. There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:40:47 AM EDT
[#6]
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:44:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Don’t agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, “Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We’ll watch the shop.” I think we’ll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it’s too big to be swept under the rug. There’s video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: RU TG Colleagues from the Rybar Canal suggested that a Russian air group that was ambushed in the Bryansk region could have been hit by NASAMS air defense systems. Although the traces in the blades of one of the downed helicopters are similar to the traces of semi-finished submunitions of the early "heavy" WDU-33 / B warhead of the AIM-120B or WDU-41 / B series missiles of the later AIM-120C5 +, in our opinion, NASAMS ground-based air defense systems are unlikely could be involved in this. The wreckage of the Su-35 and one of the Mi-8s fell at a distance of almost 50 km from the border, and the wreckage of another Mi-8 more than 50 km, which is more than the maximum possible launch range of the NASAMS 2 air defense systems transferred to Ukraine, which is estimated at ~ 30 km. At the same time, it is important to understand that the downed Su-35 was at a high altitude and fell forward, which means that the distance to it was even greater, and the air defense system, obviously, was not standing right on the border. The declared maximum range of 100-150 km for late-series AIM-120 rockets used in NASAMS is typical only for launching from an air carrier, as it is provided by the acceleration and inertia of a rocket flying down from a great height. In the case of a missile launch from the ground, this range is reduced by several times. Therefore, we believe that another enemy anti-aircraft complex may be involved in this ambush. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/100696 Hmm, the plot thickens. I looked through Youtube videos at HAWK intercepts, and from rather limited data it doesn’t look look like the HAWK warhead which always seemed to produce a spherical fireball. Did Ukraine run a Patriot right up to the border? They’ve done ballsy things before so I don’t count it out. They only have to do it once and now they’ve brushed Russia back from the border and changed how they operate. Did Ukraine get ER AMRAAMs contrary to expectations? Did Ukraine run a SEAD trap where they led with HARMS against local AD, which shut down but didn’t tell their air assets, allowing a Mig to zap them with AMRAAMs? Is there now a completely unknown asset in Ukraine? The really fascinating thing about this is that there's no real Occam's Razor explanation. The Occam's Razor explanation is that Russia shot down its own aircraft. Again. Just more spectacularly this time. Don’t agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, “Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We’ll watch the shop.” I think we’ll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it’s too big to be swept under the rug. There’s video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! |
|
|
|
IRL
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:48:32 AM EDT
[#8]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:50:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: j_hooker]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Don’t agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, “Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We’ll watch the shop.” I think we’ll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it’s too big to be swept under the rug. There’s video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: RU TG Colleagues from the Rybar Canal suggested that a Russian air group that was ambushed in the Bryansk region could have been hit by NASAMS air defense systems. Although the traces in the blades of one of the downed helicopters are similar to the traces of semi-finished submunitions of the early "heavy" WDU-33 / B warhead of the AIM-120B or WDU-41 / B series missiles of the later AIM-120C5 +, in our opinion, NASAMS ground-based air defense systems are unlikely could be involved in this. The wreckage of the Su-35 and one of the Mi-8s fell at a distance of almost 50 km from the border, and the wreckage of another Mi-8 more than 50 km, which is more than the maximum possible launch range of the NASAMS 2 air defense systems transferred to Ukraine, which is estimated at ~ 30 km. At the same time, it is important to understand that the downed Su-35 was at a high altitude and fell forward, which means that the distance to it was even greater, and the air defense system, obviously, was not standing right on the border. The declared maximum range of 100-150 km for late-series AIM-120 rockets used in NASAMS is typical only for launching from an air carrier, as it is provided by the acceleration and inertia of a rocket flying down from a great height. In the case of a missile launch from the ground, this range is reduced by several times. Therefore, we believe that another enemy anti-aircraft complex may be involved in this ambush. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/100696 Hmm, the plot thickens. I looked through Youtube videos at HAWK intercepts, and from rather limited data it doesn’t look look like the HAWK warhead which always seemed to produce a spherical fireball. Did Ukraine run a Patriot right up to the border? They’ve done ballsy things before so I don’t count it out. They only have to do it once and now they’ve brushed Russia back from the border and changed how they operate. Did Ukraine get ER AMRAAMs contrary to expectations? Did Ukraine run a SEAD trap where they led with HARMS against local AD, which shut down but didn’t tell their air assets, allowing a Mig to zap them with AMRAAMs? Is there now a completely unknown asset in Ukraine? The really fascinating thing about this is that there's no real Occam's Razor explanation. The Occam's Razor explanation is that Russia shot down its own aircraft. Again. Just more spectacularly this time. Don’t agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, “Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We’ll watch the shop.” I think we’ll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it’s too big to be swept under the rug. There’s video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. One thing I’ve learned in the last 14 or so months, any super bungled action, is plausible when it involves Russian military. The fact we’re even discussing the likelihood speaks volumes on what we have witnessed in the 4000+ pages of this thread. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:52:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Capta: Don't agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, "Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We'll watch the shop." I think we'll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it's too big to be swept under the rug. There's video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious!  That would be epic |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:53:10 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: UKRAINE AGAIN SAYS RUSSIA SHOT THERE OWN AIRCRAFT DOWN Shockingly pathetic!! Could any other army even conceive of being able to down five of their own aircraft over their own territory at the same time?!!!! Unreal. Maybe the west should be supplying AD missiles to Russia instead of Ukraine?! Wow, that is incredible. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:53:52 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwJZtTaWYAAWW01?format=jpg&name=large No aircraft???! 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 2:54:24 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can't afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Exactly! China will fill the void. Hell they've been coordinating a lot of their propaganda BS for years anyway. There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. I know this is a slide topic, but hey it’s late lol Folks like you give valuable perspective to folks like me. I was lurking long before I joined.. tho it’s interesting to hear it in your perspective too and of course it’s not just you many others have said similar stuff.  |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:21:27 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redman556: Hitler and Stalin were both on the left side of the fruit stand. Using the European model, they fall to the right of a monarchy, so right wing according to that model is correct, but, that model is wrong. It evaluated political leanings in a historical method, with a monarchy in the center. It is not a freedom based model. The correct model, the one that we use in the US ( although less these days ), starts on the right end with no government, total anarchy, and it moves to the left end, total dictatorship. The more power a central government has, the further left it goes. Hitler, with his National Socialist Workers Party, and Stalin were both Socialists, though Stalin's was pure communism, and Hitler's was Facism ( a type of Socialism with privately owned but government controlled businesses). The Overton Window has indeed shifted in this country. JFK couldn't get out of the primaries, maybe not even into them as a democrat today, but he would fit right in with the RINOs, and actually be a tad right of them. The basic Left-Right spectrum isn't really different between the U.S. and Europe. Monarchists are on the Right, often the far Right, and that's how they were seated in the legislative chamber from which the spectrum got its name. Hitler and Stalin were indeed on the far Left, but the internationalists, having come into conflict with the nationalists and fighting for the hearts and minds of those more towards the middle as well as Leftists of other stripes, labeled the nationalists as Rightists to taint them with association with the true enemy, the Right, and also to taint the Right with the bad reputation the nationalists were getting in the public mind similarly by association. The internationalist Left stuck with it even after their triumph over the nationalist Left after WWII. But it was wrong then and is wrong now. It is also a lie that is not exclusive to Europe by any means; you see it plenty here in the U.S., too. Anarchy can actually be found on both sides of the spectrum and it is far more prevalent on the Left. In fact communism in its purest form is anarchist. There are a wide variety of anarchist ideologies on the far Left but not so much on the far Right. Many on the far Right are anything but anarchists, though they may be for limits on government. It is the weltanschauung of each side that differentiates them which also influences their approaches to how society is to be structured and treated, the role of the state, the importance of liberty, the moral basis of civilization, etc. The Right has some variety in this regard, with some ideologies having common roots with the major Leftist ideologies or at least certain ideas (classical liberalism, in certain respects, and more significantly, Objectivism), but mostly with roots elsewhere. While they mostly are of a similar nature, they do reach some different conclusions, which is why you can have authoritarians (in the traditional sense), centralists, federalists, monarchists, republicans, anarchists, and others on the same side of the spectrum. The biggest divide on the far Left Left in the modern age is between the nationalists and internationalists (the latter supplanted to an extend by globalists, which is related) and between the centralists and statists on the one hand, and anarchists, federalists/localists, etc. on the other. Hitler wasn't a Fascist, although his ideology was a cousin of Fascism. Both had origins in the international socialist parties of the 2nd International. Both were nationalist, but in different ways (national socialism is ethno-centric, whether German or otherwise, while Fascism is state-centric, aka statist). National socialism was socialism in theory but in practice was somewhat watered down, at least until the revolution could proceed further, such as by relativizing rather than nationalizing the means of production in most cases; Fascism is syndicalist (basically a state-centric national syndicalism). Fascism also has a uniquely Latin character that is obviously absent in German national socialism. Stalin was the head of a country that preached communism but in practice was socialist. Formally internationalist, but it certainly also had a nationalist aspect to it as well. I don't think Stalin would have ever acquiesced to the implementation of true communism, which involves decentralized power and elimination of the state. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:26:03 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryG'damn, what a hit! |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:29:01 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:36:25 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwJZtTaWYAAWW01?format=jpg&name=large Also looks like they will hit 200,000 tomorrow.  |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:47:02 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: I would love it if the Ukrainians used a MALD decoy to trick the Russians into shooting down their own planes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Originally Posted By RockNwood: I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! The ultimate troll would be to paint the decoy missiles like dildos with a Putin face. 😂 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:53:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#19]
The UK is really stepping up!! 200km range!
No details on it here but hopefully a good size payload. Reuter’s source article
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 3:54:08 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwJZtTaWYAAWW01?format=jpg&name=large Tomorrow will mark 200,000!!! Bring out the good stuff for Monday Night |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:00:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#21]
Posting here as Soros is a poison upon every country. Too bad he brought forth spawn before he died.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:03:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Wow! Zelensky’s trip to London is bearing much fruit!!!
Is it Tornado weather? 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:13:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: UKRAINE AGAIN SAYS RUSSIA SHOT THERE OWN AIRCRAFT DOWN I live on the border with Ft Hood and hear helicopters all the time. One day I looked up and the chinooks were grey/black with aerial refueling and by the time I got my cell phone out they were too far away to get a good picture, same with another time I saw two aircraft take off from Temple airport that no one would believe would be there without pictures. |
|
|
|
MN, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:21:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Valiant1]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Posting here as Soros is a poison upon every country. Too bad he brought forth spawn before he died.
I hope so, but it might just be a rumor. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:53:01 AM EDT
[#25]
Long article at link but well worth a read if you enjoy the diplomatic equivalent of swords slashing guts, intestines hanging from the ceiling fans, and surprise whacks to the gonads with ballpeen hammers.
Excerpt: For us, Poles, it is difficult to understand how Hungarians who lived through 1956 can take such a different approach to the issue. Why can’t they understand that this is not only about Ukraine, but that the Russians want to occupy other countries as well,” explained a Polish government source. A couple of hinge points: - Poland and Hungary had been diplomatically extremely close and were building toward a United push back to the left leaning nations in the EU. - Trouble began when Hungary insisted on energy dependence with Russia. In disbelief Poland had top experts map out the technology and means for how the could decouple, but Hungary rebuffed them. - Orban’s initial and continued lone support among EU for all things Russia has really destroyed all trust and goodwill with Poland. They can’t believe the descendants of 1956 could do that. Poland actually sent the Hungarian ambassador a box of shit. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 4:59:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#26]
More hits in Luhansk!! Supposedly Russia has several large depots there. Keep it up UA!! Video embedded.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:03:20 AM EDT
[#27]
Haha! Everyone hates Russia, almost.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:07:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#28]
Russians trying to consolidate and strengthen Mariupol. But does Ukraine even need to take it right away? The main objective is Crimea, so if they can push close enough and then destroy rail lines/bridges coming from Donbas and Russia to isolate Mariupol? Maybe prevent total destruction and let the RuAF wither in the vine with Crimea?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:16:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:19:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#30]
Thomas Theiner is usually good with his numbers so this is encouraging.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658031471083307012 russian cope: "Ukraine won't get more than a dozen Storm Shadows." LOL... you cope more!! Ukraine can fire 20 Storm Shadows per day for the next two weeks and still have enough for its offensive. The only limiting factor is that soon there won't be any russian targets anymore. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:23:04 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Scary for a Russian pilot isn’t it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: RU TG Colleagues from the Rybar Canal suggested that a Russian air group that was ambushed in the Bryansk region could have been hit by NASAMS air defense systems. Although the traces in the blades of one of the downed helicopters are similar to the traces of semi-finished submunitions of the early "heavy" WDU-33 / B warhead of the AIM-120B or WDU-41 / B series missiles of the later AIM-120C5 +, in our opinion, NASAMS ground-based air defense systems are unlikely could be involved in this. The wreckage of the Su-35 and one of the Mi-8s fell at a distance of almost 50 km from the border, and the wreckage of another Mi-8 more than 50 km, which is more than the maximum possible launch range of the NASAMS 2 air defense systems transferred to Ukraine, which is estimated at ~ 30 km. At the same time, it is important to understand that the downed Su-35 was at a high altitude and fell forward, which means that the distance to it was even greater, and the air defense system, obviously, was not standing right on the border. The declared maximum range of 100-150 km for late-series AIM-120 rockets used in NASAMS is typical only for launching from an air carrier, as it is provided by the acceleration and inertia of a rocket flying down from a great height. In the case of a missile launch from the ground, this range is reduced by several times. Therefore, we believe that another enemy anti-aircraft complex may be involved in this ambush. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/100696 Hmm, the plot thickens. I looked through Youtube videos at HAWK intercepts, and from rather limited data it doesn’t look look like the HAWK warhead which always seemed to produce a spherical fireball. Did Ukraine run a Patriot right up to the border? They’ve done ballsy things before so I don’t count it out. They only have to do it once and now they’ve brushed Russia back from the border and changed how they operate. Did Ukraine get ER AMRAAMs contrary to expectations? Did Ukraine run a SEAD trap where they led with HARMS against local AD, which shut down but didn’t tell their air assets, allowing a Mig to zap them with AMRAAMs? Is there now a completely unknown asset in Ukraine? Scary for a Russian pilot isn’t it? Also fucks with staf officers ect from flying around unfucking shit at the front. |
|
|
|
NY, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:33:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Yeah, that's insane. We have corruption within our government no doubt. But until minority party politicians begin disappearing in the middle of the night, never to be heard from again we are nowhere close to China levels of corruption. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. Yeah, that's insane. We have corruption within our government no doubt. But until minority party politicians begin disappearing in the middle of the night, never to be heard from again we are nowhere close to China levels of corruption. Our government is incredibly corrupt. It's not a reach to think that while China's corruption is overt, and part of the actual system (like many countries have bribes set in place like government fees in America), in America it's all clandestine and that is worse. Also, it's not an unbelievable stance that Epstein didn't kill himself, nor did a few of the long list of Clinton "problems". Our government's decision to redact names of powerful people who were part of a scandal like that is not heartening. I don't disagree that China is more corrupt, but it's not an unassailable argument. I don't think it's right-wing conspiracy territory. |
|
|
NY, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:35:17 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: UKRAINE AGAIN SAYS RUSSIA SHOT THERE OWN AIRCRAFT DOWN Is this UK saying this because they don't want people to know what they have? And Russia agreeing because they don't want their country knowing how incompetent they are? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:05:42 AM EDT
[#34]
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/12/30/they-thought-we-are-cave-people-stereotypes-ukrainian-refugees-face-in-europe/
I never ever nor did my SO and my SOs relatives had these pre conceptions about Ukranians in general. Every single refugee here in Hungary has assimilated and integrated far faster than the normal cesspool 3rd world bottom feeders. Daughter unit and my buddies families children integrated well with watching Supernatural, playing PS5 games and playing outside. The kids are kinda passing me off a bit because they are already speaking much better Hungarian than myself sometimes. Their vocabulary has been spectacular amd far reaching. My buddies wife is already close to opening up her own beauty salon and my wife unit is gonna help her with the cafe shop part one block from my house in Kőbánya Budapest. Overall, Ukraine belongs to the west and there is a reason why Putler and the Orcs want it so bad. The other article talking about Poland and Hungary, I don't agree with it because Poland offered Hungary Westinghouse Nuclear technology but that was costly and it doesn't sadly beat the zero interest loan and terms from RusAtom. Also the PaksII is already partially built. The problem with the PaksII reactor is that those fucken Orcs figured it out on making their shit nuke stuff not workable with western tech. In the end, work with Hungary on a good nuke power deal that is favorable and Orban will dump the Orcs like a hot burgonya. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:12:08 AM EDT
[#35]
|
|
|
|
MO, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:21:40 AM EDT
[#36]
It has crossed my mind that Ukraine might have used some radio deception or trickery to get Russians to fire on their own aircraft. Ukrainians are very clever.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:25:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Kinda shamed some people here.
|
|
|
|
PA, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:40:43 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: You can always ask for clarification: do you support this position because it aligns with aTrump, or Robert Kennedy, Code Pink or all three? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwFNslaWYAA21GA?format=jpg&name=small Link to article, you may have seen these very same talking points in GD. It is like a full list of people that should be ignored in the article for being so wrong.  https://www.codepink.org/usprovokedrussia So since this is the official position of a declared Democrat presidential candidate, are we allowed to call people here parroting the same talking points Democrats/Dem supporters? Just asking questions...  You can always ask for clarification: do you support this position because it aligns with aTrump, or Robert Kennedy, Code Pink or all three? I think for some on the right it’s more complicated then that. This is a multinational and multi factional war that is hot in some areas, cold in others. I think most conservatives resistance to supporting Ukraine stems from the destruction of Russia removing a huge piece of the board for the globalists. Once that is done globalists will have more capacity to bring pain to bear on other fronts in the conflict, including us a coalition of conservatives, libertarians, etc in their campaign for domination. Some see that and might ask are we better off if the globalists still have to contend with a nationalist Russia. Principal wise Ukraine is choosing their freedom, attempting to leave the Russian sphere of influence. We on the right typically should support people trying to obtain more freedom for their way of life. It really is a sign of the times here. Bad times create strange bed fellows, and code pink and people like Trump are clearly clown world on display. I will point out that code pink has been consistently anti war as far as I know, Trump is thinking more about making a deal with other peoples land, people and their freedom. The 2024 elections are going to be crazy if Ukraine is the top issue. |
|
|
PA, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:47:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwG2lzSWcAI-qeB?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwG4q11WIAMKhXd?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwG4z4RWYAEHjfH?format=png&name=small
Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. It’s staggering to me this long in the war Russia finally hits that target. Did they run out of shopping malls and apartment buildings or did they just miss? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 6:57:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Some good video out of Klishchiivka.
Yesterday
Not on Twitter yet. https://t.me/WarArchive_ua/1197 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:06:32 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: RU TG Colleagues from the Rybar Canal suggested that a Russian air group that was ambushed in the Bryansk region could have been hit by NASAMS air defense systems. Although the traces in the blades of one of the downed helicopters are similar to the traces of semi-finished submunitions of the early "heavy" WDU-33 / B warhead of the AIM-120B or WDU-41 / B series missiles of the later AIM-120C5 +, in our opinion, NASAMS ground-based air defense systems are unlikely could be involved in this. The wreckage of the Su-35 and one of the Mi-8s fell at a distance of almost 50 km from the border, and the wreckage of another Mi-8 more than 50 km, which is more than the maximum possible launch range of the NASAMS 2 air defense systems transferred to Ukraine, which is estimated at ~ 30 km. At the same time, it is important to understand that the downed Su-35 was at a high altitude and fell forward, which means that the distance to it was even greater, and the air defense system, obviously, was not standing right on the border. The declared maximum range of 100-150 km for late-series AIM-120 rockets used in NASAMS is typical only for launching from an air carrier, as it is provided by the acceleration and inertia of a rocket flying down from a great height. In the case of a missile launch from the ground, this range is reduced by several times. Therefore, we believe that another enemy anti-aircraft complex may be involved in this ambush. @milinfolive https://t.me/milinfolive/100696 Hmm, the plot thickens. I looked through Youtube videos at HAWK intercepts, and from rather limited data it doesn’t look look like the HAWK warhead which always seemed to produce a spherical fireball. Did Ukraine run a Patriot right up to the border? They’ve done ballsy things before so I don’t count it out. They only have to do it once and now they’ve brushed Russia back from the border and changed how they operate. Did Ukraine get ER AMRAAMs contrary to expectations? Did Ukraine run a SEAD trap where they led with HARMS against local AD, which shut down but didn’t tell their air assets, allowing a Mig to zap them with AMRAAMs? Is there now a completely unknown asset in Ukraine? The really fascinating thing about this is that there's no real Occam's Razor explanation. The Occam's Razor explanation is that Russia shot down its own aircraft. Again. Just more spectacularly this time. Don’t agree, it would take a fuckup of historical proportions by a whole lot of people at the AD sites to shoot down FOUR blue AC. Like along the lines of a Ukrainian SAM crew in uniform knocking on the radar shack door and saying, “Hey man, you guys go get lunch. We’ll watch the shop.” I think we’ll find out ultimately because this is one of those events like Moskva - it’s too big to be swept under the rug. There’s video all over of Russian AC falling in flames over Russian soil, filmed by Russians. I agree the number shot down seems very improbable it was done by Russia itself. UNLESS (reaching here for a slim possibility/fantasy) Ukraine shot a bunch of mimic drones to get close to those while transmitting the returns of a MiG-29 or something Ukraine. That would be utterly hilarious! Yeah I brought that up yesterday, and it would fit the statement. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:07:12 AM EDT
[#42]
What I see as a missed oppertunity is that the US/West hasn't pumped out a ton of Shahed type drones.
Surely the combined west has the capacity to strap a 2 stroke to a wing with a xplody tip? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:16:10 AM EDT
[#43]
⚡️ FOUR "SHAHED" and ONE "ORLAN" DESTROYED
➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖ At around midnight on May 14, 2023, in the northeastern direction, in the area of responsibility of the air command "East", four enemy attack UAVs "Shahed-136/131" and one reconnaissance UAV of operational-tactical level "Orlan-10" were destroyed. ✊ Let's keep the sky! 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:17:33 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: The part I don't really get is why people were videoing these aircraft so high up fifteen months into this that they were able to catch the impacts. When it first happened I was expecting to see security camera footage not handheld cell phone footage. I live on the border with Ft Hood and hear helicopters all the time. One day I looked up and the chinooks were grey/black with aerial refueling and by the time I got my cell phone out they were too far away to get a good picture, same with another time I saw two aircraft take off from Temple airport that no one would believe would be there without pictures. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: Originally Posted By AROKIE: UKRAINE AGAIN SAYS RUSSIA SHOT THERE OWN AIRCRAFT DOWN I live on the border with Ft Hood and hear helicopters all the time. One day I looked up and the chinooks were grey/black with aerial refueling and by the time I got my cell phone out they were too far away to get a good picture, same with another time I saw two aircraft take off from Temple airport that no one would believe would be there without pictures. They Mi-8s were probably up daily.and the SUs almost daily. One thing I noticed was that in a couple of the videos they seemed to be aware that something was going on and were looking somewhere else with the camera before focusing on the hit AC. But in no video is there an obvious smoke trail. |
|
|
|
MN, USA
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:19:54 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwJZtTaWYAAWW01?format=jpg&name=large 200k tomorrow |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:23:05 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/12/30/they-thought-we-are-cave-people-stereotypes-ukrainian-refugees-face-in-europe/ I never ever nor did my SO and my SOs relatives had these pre conceptions about Ukranians in general. Every single refugee here in Hungary has assimilated and integrated far faster than the normal cesspool 3rd world bottom feeders. Daughter unit and my buddies families children integrated well with watching Supernatural, playing PS5 games and playing outside. The kids are kinda passing me off a bit because they are already speaking much better Hungarian than myself sometimes. Their vocabulary has been spectacular amd far reaching. My buddies wife is already close to opening up her own beauty salon and my wife unit is gonna help her with the cafe shop part one block from my house in Kőbánya Budapest. Overall, Ukraine belongs to the west and there is a reason why Putler and the Orcs want it so bad. The other article talking about Poland and Hungary, I don't agree with it because Poland offered Hungary Westinghouse Nuclear technology but that was costly and it doesn't sadly beat the zero interest loan and terms from RusAtom. Also the PaksII is already partially built. The problem with the PaksII reactor is that those fucken Orcs figured it out on making their shit nuke stuff not workable with western tech. In the end, work with Hungary on a good nuke power deal that is favorable and Orban will dump the Orcs like a hot burgonya. That cheap reactor sure is a great deal. The vendor will be destitute and an international pariah for decades, all hopes of leadership in EU is burnt to the ground, and the staunchest ally shits on the embassy table. But we save so much money!!! Re-read the bolder text. 1956. Russia. It is astounding to not see the choice: money or friends and dependence with a former invader. Orban freaks out over hurts from Ukraine but somehow is totally OK with Russia. The rest of the world sees it plainly. If money is the only factor that matters then Hungary has made its bed. Putin is going down by the time this war is over. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:23:14 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Haha! Everyone hates Russia, almost.
Waiting for this from Russia: “We didn’t say you could leave. You have now backed us into a corner and we will have to invade you to protect you from Nazi invasion.”. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:26:00 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Kinda shamed some people here.
That was a great interview. Are you crazy?! We tried talking to him and avoid conflict but he turns around and invades us again. There is nothing to say to him now!! LOL! |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:30:02 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I think for some on the right it’s more complicated then that. This is a multinational and multi factional war that is hot in some areas, cold in others. I think most conservatives resistance to supporting Ukraine stems from the destruction of Russia removing a huge piece of the board for the globalists. Once that is done globalists will have more capacity to bring pain to bear on other fronts in the conflict, including us a coalition of conservatives, libertarians, etc in their campaign for domination. Some see that and might ask are we better off if the globalists still have to contend with a nationalist Russia. Principal wise Ukraine is choosing their freedom, attempting to leave the Russian sphere of influence. We on the right typically should support people trying to obtain more freedom for their way of life. It really is a sign of the times here. Bad times create strange bed fellows, and code pink and people like Trump are clearly clown world on display. I will point out that code pink has been consistently anti war as far as I know, Trump is thinking more about making a deal with other peoples land, people and their freedom. The 2024 elections are going to be crazy if Ukraine is the top issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwFNslaWYAA21GA?format=jpg&name=small Link to article, you may have seen these very same talking points in GD. It is like a full list of people that should be ignored in the article for being so wrong. https://www.codepink.org/usprovokedrussia So since this is the official position of a declared Democrat presidential candidate, are we allowed to call people here parroting the same talking points Democrats/Dem supporters? Just asking questions... You can always ask for clarification: do you support this position because it aligns with aTrump, or Robert Kennedy, Code Pink or all three? I think for some on the right it’s more complicated then that. This is a multinational and multi factional war that is hot in some areas, cold in others. I think most conservatives resistance to supporting Ukraine stems from the destruction of Russia removing a huge piece of the board for the globalists. Once that is done globalists will have more capacity to bring pain to bear on other fronts in the conflict, including us a coalition of conservatives, libertarians, etc in their campaign for domination. Some see that and might ask are we better off if the globalists still have to contend with a nationalist Russia. Principal wise Ukraine is choosing their freedom, attempting to leave the Russian sphere of influence. We on the right typically should support people trying to obtain more freedom for their way of life. It really is a sign of the times here. Bad times create strange bed fellows, and code pink and people like Trump are clearly clown world on display. I will point out that code pink has been consistently anti war as far as I know, Trump is thinking more about making a deal with other peoples land, people and their freedom. The 2024 elections are going to be crazy if Ukraine is the top issue. The world will do just fine with a depleted Russia and more free republics. Globalism is going to collapse of its own weight. If we need Russia to fight globalism we are truly fucked. They are a criminal, terrorist state. |
|
|
|
IRL
|
Posted: 5/15/2023 7:31:31 AM EDT
[#50]
 Ukraine War Q&A: What Happened to the 500k Russian Soldiers? || Peter Zeihan |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
