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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: All those that are doubled and triple packed to a spot are definitely not operational airframes. Operational aircraft do not get parked like that even in peace time. You need room around them so you service and maintained them. Look close in this picture and you will see at least 24 places where operational aircraft would be parked.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Ukraine2_JPG-2833376_jpg-2834884.JPG Still don't know why they would be parked like that. At a minimum they just lost a lot of spare parts that could be used to keep the operational planes flying. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Dollar store mathematician doing the firing solution again?  When I was in an artillery regiment I wasn’t good at math so they put me in the engineering section
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:39:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: I had the most deranged conversation with a Russian friend today. Admittedly one always given to conspiracy theories; but the new theme being sold is the Ukrainians, and West generally, are satanists, complete with satanic temples in Ukraine, etc. Western mercenaries are paying to hunt and kill Russians like safari animals and Sen. Graham's edited speech was featured prominently. It was pretty 
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Still don't know why they would be parked like that. At a minimum they just lost a lot of spare parts that could be used to keep the operational planes flying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By 2A373: All those that are doubled and triple packed to a spot are definitely not operational airframes. Operational aircraft do not get parked like that even in peace time. You need room around them so you service and maintained them. Look close in this picture and you will see at least 24 places where operational aircraft would be parked. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Ukraine2_JPG-2833376_jpg-2834884.JPG Still don't know why they would be parked like that. At a minimum they just lost a lot of spare parts that could be used to keep the operational planes flying. Look at the different pictures posted by myself and AlmightyTallest of the same area. They are moving airframes around, probably to confuse the overheads. There's no guarantee that the few parked on the tarmac are actually flyable. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age:
"The Russian propagandist Solovyov seems to be upset that the majority of Russians were glad that the drone strike on Moscow today targeted homes of high-ranking officials and upper-class cronies that live inf the exclusive suburb of Rublyovka." Yeah. The people who launched the drones knew exactly what they were doing. Now we know where dissidents will continue to target… lol |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:00:55 PM EDT
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Little Kimmies missile came up flaccid. I hear they got pills for that now.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:06:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Little Kimmies missile came up flaccid. I hear they got pills for that now. https://i.imgflip.com/1negqu.jpg Another "No Dong"? |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Is UXO the concern with DPICM? Yes, but it's probably less of a concern than being occupied/overrun by orcs. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:10:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: I had the most deranged conversation with a Russian friend today. Admittedly one always given to conspiracy theories; but the new theme being sold is the Ukrainians, and West generally, are satanists, complete with satanic temples in Ukraine, etc. Western mercenaries are paying to hunt and kill Russians like safari animals and Sen. Graham's edited speech was featured prominently. It was pretty LOL, The "Westworld" of Eastern Europe! |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: All those that are doubled and triple packed to a spot are definitely not operational airframes. Operational aircraft do not get parked like that even in peace time. You need room around them so you can service and maintained them. Look close in this picture and you will see at least 24 places where operational aircraft would be parked. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Ukraine2_JPG-2833376_jpg-2834884.JPG Does Russia have a dedicated HAS/PAS munition, let alone one that can be employed accurately? It amazes me the air bases are in the shape they are in, all over the country. I assume day 1, we would hammer them no? |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DPeacher: Yes, but it's probably less of a concern than being occupied/overrun by orcs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Is UXO the concern with DPICM? Yes, but it's probably less of a concern than being occupied/overrun by orcs. Agree completely, this checks the box on "break glass" IMO. If not employed now, when? |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Still don't know why they would be parked like that. At a minimum they just lost a lot of spare parts that could be used to keep the operational planes flying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By 2A373: All those that are doubled and triple packed to a spot are definitely not operational airframes. Operational aircraft do not get parked like that even in peace time. You need room around them so you service and maintained them. Look close in this picture and you will see at least 24 places where operational aircraft would be parked. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Ukraine2_JPG-2833376_jpg-2834884.JPG Still don't know why they would be parked like that. At a minimum they just lost a lot of spare parts that could be used to keep the operational planes flying. Pull up Starokostiantyniv Air Base on Google maps and look around. There isn't a lot of open space to park a bunch of SU-24s spaced far apart without them being in way during flight operations. Now consider how even a near miss on an open concrete aircraft parking ramp is going to send shrapnel a long distance and damage aircraft vs putting 2 -3 aircraft into a single aircraft revetment where it would take a direct hit to the revetment or a close one directly in front of it to damage the aircraft inside. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age:
"The Russian propagandist Solovyov seems to be upset that the majority of Russians were glad that the drone strike on Moscow today targeted homes of high-ranking officials and upper-class cronies that live inf the exclusive suburb of Rublyovka." Yeah. The people who launched the drones knew exactly what they were doing. On the other hand, the leaders say the drone attacks were a good thing, because it rallies the people.  Russian expert says drones in Moscow are a good thing |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I think Zelensky figured it was yet another russian border bluff. Ukraine can't mobilize everytime russia pulls this. But this time our intelligence told them it was not a bluff. When I saw russia putting up medical areas I figured it was for real. Zelensky went out in public doing normal recreational stuff to show there was nothing to worry about. In some ways it worked out better. As the military was not formed up, there were no troop concentrations to hit. it became little groups running around with a pile of anti-tank missiles just nailing stuff all over the place like they were hunting groundhogs. He could have enacted mobilization, and probably a large % of Ukrainians would have been angry at him. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:43:40 PM EDT
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1420 video asking what people think about the attacks on Belgorod. LOL at people saying "nyet, I wouldn't go defend Belgorod." I live in Moscow, I won't be affected here, fuck Belgorod.
  Russians: about attacks on Belgorod |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: I had the most deranged conversation with a Russian friend today. Admittedly one always given to conspiracy theories; but the new theme being sold is the Ukrainians, and West generally, are satanists, complete with satanic temples in Ukraine, etc. Western mercenaries are paying to hunt and kill Russians like safari animals and Sen. Graham's edited speech was featured prominently. It was pretty |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxaebvgXwAMynhR?format=png&name=900x900 The is the BEST quote I’ve seen!! Fantastic. Thank you for finding that. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Does Russia have a dedicated HAS/PAS munition, let alone one that can be employed accurately? It amazes me the air bases are in the shape they are in, all over the country. I assume day 1, we would hammer them no? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By 2A373: All those that are doubled and triple packed to a spot are definitely not operational airframes. Operational aircraft do not get parked like that even in peace time. You need room around them so you can service and maintained them. Look close in this picture and you will see at least 24 places where operational aircraft would be parked. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/Ukraine2_JPG-2833376_jpg-2834884.JPG Does Russia have a dedicated HAS/PAS munition, let alone one that can be employed accurately? It amazes me the air bases are in the shape they are in, all over the country. I assume day 1, we would hammer them no? The airfields are smaller than a city so a real challenge for Russia to hit! |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Yes, absolutely. I'm of the opinion that DPICM would be far more of a Wunderwaffen than pretty much anything else we could send them. They would certainly impact the war more than 31 Abrams or even 100 Bradleys. They would be extremely useful for stopping Russian assaults dead in their tracks, suppressing objectives while Ukrainian armor advances, etc. Unfortunately, I doubt they're going to get them, almost exclusively due to political reasons. The Biden Administration likely doesn't want to send them due to UXO concerns, and if they did send them, I have no doubt that many on the right would jump at the opportunity to label Biden a baby killer. I really disagree. The dud rate aside, DPICM is a cluster of grenades that cover a wide area. Its excellent if you have a soft target, like a firing battery of artillery, and you want to drop a lot of grenades on them in one blast. Or alot of troops in the open. But thats the least of the Ukrainian's concerns. Its also excellent if you have an airplane going very fast and very low and see a large convoy of trucks or soft targets. Pickle off one canister and it covers a lot of area. But that's not really the situation the Ukrainians are in. I would assume that Russian artillery isn't responsive and the Ukrainians will stay buttoned up and mounted. The primary targets will be C2, ATGMs, and armor. The Ukrainaisn want to protect their queen, the tanks, and the biggest threats arent the sorts of things DPICM is good at killing. Those threats are point targets that will be dug in, and need a smart munition and a lot of HE on a single point, not a scattering of grenade-like munitions. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: I really disagree. The dud rate aside, DPICM is a cluster of grenades that cover a wide area. Its excellent if you have a soft target, like a firing battery of artillery, and you want to drop a lot of grenades on them in one blast. Or alot of troops in the open. But thats the least of the Ukrainian's concerns. Its also excellent if you have an airplane going very fast and very low and see a large convoy of trucks or soft targets. Pickle off one canister and it covers a lot of area. But that's not really the situation the Ukrainians are in. I would assume that Russian artillery isn't responsive and the Ukrainians will stay buttoned up and mounted. The primary targets will be C2, ATGMs, and armor. The Ukrainaisn want to protect their queen, the tanks, and the biggest threats arent the sorts of things DPICM is good at killing. Those threats are point targets that will be dug in, and need a smart munition and a lot of HE on a single point, not a scattering of grenade-like munitions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Yes, absolutely. I'm of the opinion that DPICM would be far more of a Wunderwaffen than pretty much anything else we could send them. They would certainly impact the war more than 31 Abrams or even 100 Bradleys. They would be extremely useful for stopping Russian assaults dead in their tracks, suppressing objectives while Ukrainian armor advances, etc. Unfortunately, I doubt they're going to get them, almost exclusively due to political reasons. The Biden Administration likely doesn't want to send them due to UXO concerns, and if they did send them, I have no doubt that many on the right would jump at the opportunity to label Biden a baby killer. I really disagree. The dud rate aside, DPICM is a cluster of grenades that cover a wide area. Its excellent if you have a soft target, like a firing battery of artillery, and you want to drop a lot of grenades on them in one blast. Or alot of troops in the open. But thats the least of the Ukrainian's concerns. Its also excellent if you have an airplane going very fast and very low and see a large convoy of trucks or soft targets. Pickle off one canister and it covers a lot of area. But that's not really the situation the Ukrainians are in. I would assume that Russian artillery isn't responsive and the Ukrainians will stay buttoned up and mounted. The primary targets will be C2, ATGMs, and armor. The Ukrainaisn want to protect their queen, the tanks, and the biggest threats arent the sorts of things DPICM is good at killing. Those threats are point targets that will be dug in, and need a smart munition and a lot of HE on a single point, not a scattering of grenade-like munitions. Interesting. Thanks for the perspective. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:24:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Video in tweet.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: He is making fun of others that think toy drones will defeat higher priced weapons. I recommend following him if you want the latest updates on the defense industry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Another Lol
Lol@ditching the F-35. He is making fun of others that think toy drones will defeat higher priced weapons. I recommend following him if you want the latest updates on the defense industry. Lol ya I see that.. 
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:43:32 PM EDT
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ISW assessment for May 30th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-30-2023 |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Linked article has a good discussion of the Abrams M1A1SA being sent to Ukraine in totally refurbished condition (like new). 200 crews and 200 support personnel being trained in Germany right now. So potential to field 50 tanks rather than the 31 indicated.
I believe they will only still get 31 M1A1 tanks, they always train more because crews will be swapped out from time to time.. people need rest breaks tanks do not lol |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:55:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Nearly all of the Switchblade 300 footage I've seen cuts out before impact but almist certainly must have hit due to the speed/angle. Fot whatever reason the jury rigged attack drones see to cut out a bit nearer to target. I explained to my self that the local improvised stuff needs to make contact with the target to detonate (you can see the almost litteral coat hanger poking out of the front to make contact) while the others have a poximaty fuse/stand off trigger. I know fuck all about anything drone realted but just the occams razor explanation for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By castlebravo84: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Warmate HUD footage.
Must have missed. .vid conveniently ended before the hit When you are shooting at targets that are far away, you can lose the video signal when the weapon dives down and more terrain/foliage starts blocking it. A real weapon like that polish loitering munition will have image recognition and autopilot to guide itself the rest of the way to the aimpoint the operator sets before the signal is lost. This is probably why we don't see alot of switch blade 600 videos. They would have to film the terminal impact with a second drone watching from a distance. Nearly all of the Switchblade 300 footage I've seen cuts out before impact but almist certainly must have hit due to the speed/angle. Fot whatever reason the jury rigged attack drones see to cut out a bit nearer to target. I explained to my self that the local improvised stuff needs to make contact with the target to detonate (you can see the almost litteral coat hanger poking out of the front to make contact) while the others have a poximaty fuse/stand off trigger. I know fuck all about anything drone realted but just the occams razor explanation for me. I know all that..lol. I meant the observation drone part. That they usually show the impact. This video ends before that happens |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: I had the most deranged conversation with a Russian friend today. Admittedly one always given to conspiracy theories; but the new theme being sold is the Ukrainians, and West generally, are satanists, complete with satanic temples in Ukraine, etc. Western mercenaries are paying to hunt and kill Russians like safari animals and Sen. Graham's edited speech was featured prominently. It was pretty Satanic Ukes with satanic Western mercenaries? Satanic temples and shit? Hunting Russians like a satanic safari...? Sounds like good reasons the GTFO of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:58:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: A real old-timer just corrected the spelling of her name for you.  Haa. Thank you. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: 1420 video asking what people think about the attacks on Belgorod. LOL at people saying "nyet, I wouldn't go defend Belgorod." I live in Moscow, I won't be affected here, fuck Belgorod.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE_iuPLYDBYInteresting to see how much more willing they are to discuss their opinions on the “SMO” now as opposed to a year ago. Many openly calling it war, and some seem to have a decent idea of what’s going on. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:04:07 PM EDT
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Kim launches yet another ultra low orbiting/submersible satellite rocket! Total success. The orbit was kept below radar detection levels and the rocket was able to hide under the waves before western assets could respond!!! A decoy explosion was successfully executed to give appearance of retarded failure. “Success was 100% although there are still areas for improvement. We will reward our dedicated rocket scientists and their extended families and dogs with a ZSU-23-4 salute.”
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Moscow drone attack was like ‘a horror film’ Raid on the capital shocked residents nearby. But will it change Russians’ views of the Ukraine war? https://www.politico.eu/article/moscow-drone-attack-it-was-like-a-horror-film-putin-russia-ukraine-war-strike-explosion-kyiv/ Fifteen months into a war launched by their government against Ukraine, some Muscovites early morning on Tuesday for the first time woke up to explosions. “It was like the sound of a short thunder strike,” a man called Andrei, who lives opposite one of the buildings which suffered damage, told the TV-channel Dozhd, an independent station working from exile in the Netherlands. “For a moment it’s like you’re in a horror film, I ran to my relatives and yelled at them to get away from the window.” He said the incident had left those living in his area feeling “shocked and confused.” Although not entirely unexpected — Russian regions bordering Ukraine such as Belgorod suffer almost daily strikes, and an incident in early May in which two drones flew onto the Kremlin compound set the stage for further incursions — the drone raid marks a landmark moment as the biggest strike against Moscow since the beginning of the war. Dmitry Oreshkin, an independent political analyst, said it heralded the end of a phase of complacency, in which Russians accept the war as something that does not threaten their own lives. “The war is breaking into people’s minds and forcing itself to be talked about. That’s a bad sign for Putin,” he told Dozhd. “It is not as much a strike on Moscow as a strike on Russians’ minds.” I'd like to think if the typical Russian followed this thread or got some actual news about the last 15 months, they would rip their face off or attack the nearest gov't office. They have been fed bullshit their whole lives. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: On the other hand, the leaders say the drone attacks were a good thing, because it rallies the people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQVTonHxnNM |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There were solutions created many years ago because of Poland and other Eastern European NATO countries that had legacy Russian SAM units that needed integration with Western systems. To not know that if you are in that field is a red flag to me. There is public info available now that proves that statement on the document false. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Again the reason I did not trust or believe the information in those leaks was real.
That would be dumb even for them. If we assume the leaks date to prior to Patriot, SAMPT, and most NASAMS, it would really only apply to Soviet gear like S300 and BUK. They’re perfectly aware that western systems are present in numbers now, but they’re still flinging LR PGMs like it was the start of the war. I think it’s either a political demand (from Putin) to show results against western systems, or they’re desperate enough to use anything and everything while it can do them some good. See the leaked document below, it mentions Patriot lol. Also says the systems cannot be "layered"  It is pure disinformation in my opinion to lure the Russians to waste precious missile resources.Anyone worried about their clearance, please don't click the link. Click To View Spoiler From reading through it may mean that western SAMs can’t be layered with Soviet SAMs. I know we were supposed to be working on that solution and it may be mentioned in the paper as “FrankenSAM.” There were solutions created many years ago because of Poland and other Eastern European NATO countries that had legacy Russian SAM units that needed integration with Western systems. To not know that if you are in that field is a red flag to me. There is public info available now that proves that statement on the document false. Thanks, very interesting. So some or all of the leak is potentially *cough*. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Don Junior and other Trump surrogates like Tucker and Ted Nugent constantly bleat out and anti Ukraine narrative. I voted for Trump twice but I’m going to have a hard time supporting him if he doesn’t take a more anti Russian fascist position. Agreed. I have faith that whoever gets the nomination will be pro-Ukraine. No fucking way some Republican tries to be POTUS by being pro-Russia, pro-Putin, pro-murderous invasion. No way. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Satanic Ukes with satanic Western mercenaries? Satanic temples and shit? Hunting Russians like a satanic safari...? Sounds like good reasons the GTFO of Ukraine. You know, the ironic part is this person was born when Stalin was still in charge. Watched the Soviet Union persecute the Russian Orthodox Christians. Knows that Putin started his KGB career in the Second Directorate with that exact task. And now is full-in on Putin is saving us from satanists, or just knows better than to speak thoughts out loud after all that. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Since all of the pictures/video we've seen so far looks like small, short range equipment (and likely no warheads), it can be inferred that either: (a) Ukraine managed to smuggle an entire suite of systems, launchers, etc. deep into Russia without being detected and presumably managed to exfil undetected. Or, (b) This is a false flag operation with cheap Chinese drones purchased by the FSB and launched at civilian targets to drum up support for the war. I know which option I think it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: 🇬🇧🇺🇦 Local residents also report several explosions and the operation of air defense systems in the Moscow region, including in the area of Istra and New Riga. According to Baza, more than ten drones have been intercepted in the Moscow region so far. In Moscow itself, special services are checking information about the collision of a drone with a third multi-storey residential building on Leninsky Prospekt. The mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, confirmed the UAV attack, reporting that emergency services were at the scene of the incident and indicating that "no one was seriously injured." #Moscow #Russia #Ukraine @rybar Support us https://t.me/milinfolive/101415
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUjXoAI0YqV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUeWYAEQHU5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTc5CWIAMO1rv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTlG2XoAUcMOF?format=jpg&name=large Two videos appear to show this canard type design that looks like it’s flying backwards.
And then this, which might just be an actual aircraft 🤷♂️
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWiTsraIAU7s64?format=jpg&name=large Video
Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. Since all of the pictures/video we've seen so far looks like small, short range equipment (and likely no warheads), it can be inferred that either: (a) Ukraine managed to smuggle an entire suite of systems, launchers, etc. deep into Russia without being detected and presumably managed to exfil undetected. Or, (b) This is a false flag operation with cheap Chinese drones purchased by the FSB and launched at civilian targets to drum up support for the war. I know which option I think it is. So far Ukraine’s deniable “strategic” drone strikes have been to achieve military effects. They’ve brushed back Russian strategic aviation. They’ve hit fuel logistics targets. They’ve hit a substation or two. They’ve done nuisance raids on the Black Sea Fleet. The latest one appears to be an internal political target. I think it’s a lot more likely to be a false flag to serve as a pretext for mobilization/escalation/nuke threats. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:14:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxaebvgXwAMynhR?format=png&name=900x900 I wish he and others lied and said the UA is not ready, no tanks arriving this year, etc etc. We would all be depressed but surprise is surprise... |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:15:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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"Moscow Nightmare" or UJ-22 Airborne
It can fly up to 800 km. Such a drone lifts about 15-20 kilograms. This is 30 F1 grenades or 4 RPG-7 shots. https://t.me/bochkala_war  One of the types of UAVs that attacked Moscow is the UJ-22 Airborne attack drone, which is made by Ukrjet. It has a flight range of up to 800 kilometers. Similar drones have previously flown to Moscow. UPD: the video most likely shows a Cessna 172 light aircraft, which from a distance resembles a Ukrainian UAV. @milinfolive |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Agreed. I have faith that whoever gets the nomination will be pro-Ukraine. No fucking way some Republican tries to be POTUS by being pro-Russia, pro-Putin, pro-murderous invasion. No way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By weptek911: Don Junior and other Trump surrogates like Tucker and Ted Nugent constantly bleat out and anti Ukraine narrative. I voted for Trump twice but I’m going to have a hard time supporting him if he doesn’t take a more anti Russian fascist position. Agreed. I have faith that whoever gets the nomination will be pro-Ukraine. No fucking way some Republican tries to be POTUS by being pro-Russia, pro-Putin, pro-murderous invasion. No way. He did last time |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:21:01 PM EDT
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❗️Ukraine returned the bodies of another 79 fallen defenders
Today, it was possible to bring home the bodies of 79 dead Ukrainian defenders. The transfer of bodies from the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine took place with the assistance of the Office of the Commissioner for Missing Persons under the Ministry of Reintegration in cooperation with law enforcement agencies. It should be noted that the transfer of bodies of fallen soldiers is carried out in accordance with the norms of the Geneva Conventions. The bodies of our defenders will be handed over to their families for a dignified burial. https://t.me/bochkala_war/13570 |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:27:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: The distilled essence of Russian thinking: It isn't fair. You aren't following the rules. We are supposed to bomb and burn and kill you. You aren't supposed to come into Russia and do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxXdKOEWAAAcV27?format=png&name=large The distilled essence of Russian thinking: It isn't fair. You aren't following the rules. We are supposed to bomb and burn and kill you. You aren't supposed to come into Russia and do it. Classic Imperial thinking vs the untermensch. Killing you is fair and right and the way things should be. Killing us is not allowed. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I'd like to think if the typical Russian followed this thread or got some actual news about the last 15 months, they would rip their face off or attack the nearest gov't office. No, they wouldn't. Their true believers and the indifferent masses are no different than Democrat voters or Joe Sixpack types who DGAF about anything besides food, booze and sportsball. Nobody forces them to watch government TV or prevents them from browsing UA or Western Russian language news sites. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Very happy to see Italy stepping up. It was a legitimate fear they were going to lean pro Kremlin in their recent election. Glad those fears didn't come to reality. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Very happy to see Italy stepping up. It was a legitimate fear they were going to lean pro Kremlin in their recent election. Glad those fears didn't come to reality. Italy has had the biggest percentage swing from pro-Russian to anti-Russian of any european country. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:39:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: So far Ukraine’s deniable “strategic” drone strikes have been to achieve military effects. They’ve brushed back Russian strategic aviation. They’ve hit fuel logistics targets. They’ve hit a substation or two. They’ve done nuisance raids on the Black Sea Fleet. The latest one appears to be an internal political target. I think it’s a lot more likely to be a false flag to serve as a pretext for mobilization/escalation/nuke threats. So far, out of the two drone strikes on Moscow, what do we have? 1) In the Kremlin attack, you can see men standing on the cupola as a drone explodes above it. Zero reported casualties. 2) Drones strike a residential apartment bloc, 2 people reported wounded, none seriously. Both incidents are indicative of something other than a weapon. At the same time, there is compelling historical evidence suggesting Vova is OK with murdering Russian citizens in a false flag setup. So, my take is the drones in both instances were probably Ukrainian and probably more aimed at psyops than actual damage on target. Maybe one of those cardboard drones with some fireworks? |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package, how efficient of them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: On the other hand, the leaders say the drone attacks were a good thing, because it rallies the people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQVTonHxnNMBabylon 5 quote?
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:45:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:49:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: So far, out of the two drone strikes on Moscow, what do we have? 1) In the Kremlin attack, you can see men standing on the cupola as a drone explodes above it. Zero reported casualties. 2) Drones strike a residential apartment bloc, 2 people reported wounded, none seriously. Both incidents are indicative of something other than a weapon. At the same time, there is compelling historical evidence suggesting Vova is OK with murdering Russian citizens in a false flag setup. So, my take is the drones in both instances were probably Ukrainian and probably more aimed at psyops than actual damage on target. Maybe one of those cardboard drones with some fireworks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By Capta: So far Ukraine’s deniable “strategic” drone strikes have been to achieve military effects. They’ve brushed back Russian strategic aviation. They’ve hit fuel logistics targets. They’ve hit a substation or two. They’ve done nuisance raids on the Black Sea Fleet. The latest one appears to be an internal political target. I think it’s a lot more likely to be a false flag to serve as a pretext for mobilization/escalation/nuke threats. So far, out of the two drone strikes on Moscow, what do we have? 1) In the Kremlin attack, you can see men standing on the cupola as a drone explodes above it. Zero reported casualties. 2) Drones strike a residential apartment bloc, 2 people reported wounded, none seriously. Both incidents are indicative of something other than a weapon. At the same time, there is compelling historical evidence suggesting Vova is OK with murdering Russian citizens in a false flag setup. So, my take is the drones in both instances were probably Ukrainian and probably more aimed at psyops than actual damage on target. Maybe one of those cardboard drones with some fireworks? Since Ukraine has been very vocal about calling the orcs terrorists for targeting civilian targets, it's highly unlikely they would do the same. The attack seems to me to be a PR stunt either false flag or rebels. Either way, the rooskies are likely the ones responsible. Of course, if the rooskie rebels that waltz in and out of the Russian border with Ukraine provided equipment decided to make a road trip, I could see that happening. Would still be the Russians attacking the Russians that were attacking the Russians on the border that were attacking the Russians.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxZLcNxWAAYLuPs?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxZLcXXWABY8flg?format=jpg&name=900x900  *CLICK* Nice |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 10:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Italy has had the biggest percentage swing from pro-Russian to anti-Russian of any european country. Italy? Changing sides? Never been done befo' |
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