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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I’d like to see them take out those port cranes at some point. But it sounds like they were targeting the air defense unit at the port this time around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Cotton, baby. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxnJUkIaIAEP5CR?format=jpg&name=360x360 They intercepted the storm shadow with the target. I’d like to see them take out those port cranes at some point. But it sounds like they were targeting the air defense unit at the port this time around. Russia installs a device to destroy Ukrainian missiles. So Ukraine destroys it with a missile. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:36:46 PM EDT
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Great aerospace porn of current, practical developments in US hypersonic reusable drone aircraft. Due to the highly erotic nature of the subject matter you may want to view in some privacy. Focusing on using proven engines in a combined ramjet configuration to achieve maneuverability at Mach 5-6, rather than outlandishly expensive R&D to tame scramjets for Mach 10+ aircraft.
 Could HERMEUS turn the hypersonic arms race on its head? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:38:26 PM EDT
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Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxpTpSqWAAE7Fix?format=jpg&name=large
Fuck. That. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:01:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. They should at least knock down the rail portion of the bridge. They are on separate piers so should be able to disable the rail without destroying the highway lanes. Perhaps after cutting the land bridge give fair warning that in one month the Kerch rail bridge is on the target deck. Promise them a green corridor? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Or they could wait until the bridge is loaded with retreating troops and equipment and then pop both ends and take their time eliminating the remaining. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: In other news I found someone's kitten in the garden. Poor little cat looks scared.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230601_211849_jpg-2838017.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230601_211926_jpg-2838018.JPG Ah, the only thing I miss from the Old World. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:06:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Not taking a side myself. Just thinking Mr Hodges likely has a pretty good pulse on Ukrainian battle plans. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:08:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: I wonder how many Russians civilians who moved to Crimea after 2014 are still evacuating? IMO it makes sense to let as many of them leave as they can. Explosions at nearby Port docks puts real a damper on beach days.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Or they could wait until the bridge is loaded with retreating troops and equipment and then pop both ends and take their time eliminating the remaining. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Or they could wait until the bridge is loaded with retreating troops and equipment and then pop both ends and take their time eliminating the remaining. A Russian Dunkirk. 
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:14:10 PM EDT
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I don't think that the rail bridge has been fixed yet. No reason to attack it again until the repairs have been completed.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Dumb civilian's observation: artillery rounds seem to have much easier job destroying tanks than main guns of other tanks. Is this because artillery shoots HEAT munitions that attack from the top? Why even bother with the flat-shooting tank guns of ever larger calibers firing sabot rounds with ever more exotic penetrator designs then? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:15:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: I don't think that the rail bridge has been fixed yet. No reason to attack it again until the repairs have been completed. Yeah. I think your right. Fire damage fucked up the concrete supports and reinforcement steel real good. That was my impression. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: I wonder how many Russians civilians who moved to Crimea after 2014 are still evacuating? IMO it makes sense to let as many of them leave as they can. That makes a lot of sense. If the russians want to leave, let them. Hell, um, encourage them. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: You're an invaluable asset to this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By stone-age: Can somebody explain to me what "cotton" means? I've seen it a few times. "Cotton" is a byproduct of robotranslation. The Russians have(or had) a habit of using certain words to affect people's perception of certain events. Instead of saying detonation or explosion they'd say clap(as in thunderclap, not the STD) with smoke. In Russian language, clap and cotton are written identically but pronounced differently. A robotranslator would often translate clap as cotton, so it became common among Ukrainians to say jokingly,for example, there was a big cotton yesterday in Donetsk. You're an invaluable asset to this thread. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Blinken stole the "2nd strongest IN UKRAINE" joke.
 Attached FileThat's going to trigger some or... uh russians. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:26:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:27:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: There is no other logical explanation. Hungary was extensively abused by Russia in the last century and memories are long. There are folks in this thread like Joszi and myself that have had family members murdered by the Russians. My grandfather spent years in Siberia and walked home eating grass to survive. Another great-uncle was murdered after surrendering to Russian troops in our home town. We only know what happened to him because one of his friends managed to barely escape. Many, maybe most Hungarian families have stories like this. Yet now, as Russia is finally getting some very long overdue justice while trying to brutalize yet another neighbor, and Hungary is leading the defense of Russia??!! WTF Vic! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: Europe needs to do a deep dive into Orban’s finances. His loyalty to Putin probably isn’t just ideological. There is no other logical explanation. Hungary was extensively abused by Russia in the last century and memories are long. There are folks in this thread like Joszi and myself that have had family members murdered by the Russians. My grandfather spent years in Siberia and walked home eating grass to survive. Another great-uncle was murdered after surrendering to Russian troops in our home town. We only know what happened to him because one of his friends managed to barely escape. Many, maybe most Hungarian families have stories like this. Yet now, as Russia is finally getting some very long overdue justice while trying to brutalize yet another neighbor, and Hungary is leading the defense of Russia??!! WTF Vic! It’s really unfortunate for Hungary. Orban had the chance to parlay the situation into some major policy wins for Hungary, but instead he’s just being an obstructionist. The only way this will change is if Europe finds the goods on him. He will otherwise never have a change of heart. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Do a modern rendition of the T34 Calliope but arm it with dozens of Javelins or NLAW. https://i.imgur.com/hBtWXPU.jpg |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:40:51 PM EDT
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Contender for high jump record.
....... I don't know if blowing the kerch bridge open is a good idea or not, but keeping Russian assets tied up there guarding it is a good plan. And I think that there is a high probability that leaving it open will lead to internal conflicts between those that want to leave and those charged with not letting them go when things finally kick off. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: In other news I found someone's kitten in the garden. Poor little cat looks scared. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230601_211849_jpg-2838017.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230601_211926_jpg-2838018.JPG Poor kitty! |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:43:30 PM EDT
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Is Lukashenko out of the hospital yet?
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Do a modern rendition of the T34 Calliope but arm it with dozens of Javelins or NLAW. https://i.imgur.com/hBtWXPU.jpg I've been saying this for years... open up the troop compartment on a surplus M113 and vertically mount however many Javelins as you can there (12? 16?). Kind of like the Vertical Launch System (VLS) on warships. Have a separate aiming unit (wireless if possible but if not then on a long cable) that can be dismounted from the M113 so that whomever is aiming and launching can do so from cover / concealment while the vehicle sits hull down or behind a building. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Is Lukashenko out of the hospital yet? He is, and he did not have a good time Lukashenka signed an order "On improving the efficiency of the healthcare system"
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Contender for high jump record. ....... I don't know if blowing the kerch bridge open is a good idea or not, but keeping Russian assets tied up there guarding it is a good plan. And I think that there is a high probability that leaving it open will lead to internal conflicts between those that want to leave and those charged with not letting them go when things finally kick off. Does anybody know if that guy is ok? |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:51:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:56:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Yeah...now that the long range cherry has been broken, I don't understand why Biden is still reluctant to provide the U.S. version. Time for ATACMS and other weapons to help level the playing field. Because as long as its not a humilating route of the Ukrainians, he doesnt care. It won't be another bloack mark on his hideous legacy, like the afghanistan abandonment was. He doesnt care that slow walking weapons is causing more civilian casualties by prolonging the fighting. And you can't dismiss the possibility that this POS is asking for tribute (kickback $j to provide the protection/new weapons. Always a mafia POS slime, thats all he ever has been. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Does anybody know if that guy is ok? I took hits worse than that in middle school football. He should be fine. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XeroSygnal: I've been saying this for years... open up the troop compartment on a surplus M113 and vertically mount however many Javelins as you can there (12? 16?). Kind of like the Vertical Launch System (VLS) on warships. Have a separate aiming unit (wireless if possible but if not then on a long cable) that can be dismounted from the M113 so that whomever is aiming and launching can do so from cover / concealment while the vehicle sits hull down or behind a building. Yeah...about that...we could call it...NLOS
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:09:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: yekimak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxoYkdFXgAIaWuw?format=jpg&name=medium
It's been a rough couple days watching TG channels and seeing stories like this. Kids blown up on the way to shelters, kids killed by falling debris or butterfly bombs. Kids screaming down the streets of Kiev. Yeah I know alot of it is propaganda, but even if only a percent of it is true... Just fuck. I'm an anarchist. I hate war. And government. I work diligently to try and find an objective truth to situations or at least attempt to get a broad view of things before forming and opinion. And sometimes I just don't have the data to develop one and just sort of default to not caring or only bothering to care when I am put in a position to have to. But fuck. Fuck putin. And fuck anyone who has the exact same ability to find information as I do yet is either passive or for his actions. Anything less than a slow, wasting death is to good for anyone who supports this invasion. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. They could at least wreck one span |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maddmatt: What about a self-propelled howitzer firing at that same building? Thats what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. With the advances to 155 mm munitions, and how effective they seem to be, plus the prevalence of small anti armor missile, I'm wondering what the ultimate effect would be if you took something M109 and had it bang an M1. Keep sensors and data links, armor, but a 155 mm turret Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maddmatt: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By voyager3: Dumb civilian's observation: artillery rounds seem to have much easier job destroying tanks than main guns of other tanks. Is this because artillery shoots HEAT munitions that attack from the top? Why even bother with the flat-shooting tank guns of ever larger calibers firing sabot rounds with ever more exotic penetrator designs then? This is why some people think tanks are obsolete. Artillery has a longer range, fires over hills, and can now be guided accurately by drones. That said infantry who encounter a tank that starts firing those big rounds at the building they were using for cover may not feel like tanks are all that obsolete What about a self-propelled howitzer firing at that same building? Thats what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. With the advances to 155 mm munitions, and how effective they seem to be, plus the prevalence of small anti armor missile, I'm wondering what the ultimate effect would be if you took something M109 and had it bang an M1. Keep sensors and data links, armor, but a 155 mm turret The problem is that an M109 turret has relatively thin aluminum alloy armor. There is also a huge difference between 155mm Artillery Ammo and 120mm Tank ammo, as in the Arty ammo comes with the projectile, fuse, charge, and primer separate and they have to be loaded in stages during every mission. Plus, the 155mm projectile alone weighs more than a complete 120mm tank round. Even with the rounds pre-fused, it takes at least twice as long (and usually a lot longer) to load and fire a 155mm of any type than a tank round. Though you CAN do direct fire with an M109, it is generally not advisable; sort of like conducting a close combat engagement with a bolt-action .338 Lapua sniper rifle and a 4x scope. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Do a modern rendition of the T34 Calliope but arm it with dozens of Javelins or NLAW. https://i.imgur.com/hBtWXPU.jpg  |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:44:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxoYkdFXgAIaWuw?format=jpg&name=medium
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Not taking a side myself. Just thinking Mr Hodges likely has a pretty good pulse on Ukrainian battle plans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By stone-age: Yeah, I know. Sun tzu, leave your enemy away to escape or they will fight to the death. But I'd kind of like to see all of the Russians fight until the last Russian is dead. Blow the bridge. Not taking a side myself. Just thinking Mr Hodges likely has a pretty good pulse on Ukrainian battle plans. For sure. He has been the clearest voice on this. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Damn it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Swiss block sale of Leopard tanks to the Netherlands. In short NL was trying to buy tanks to send to Ukraine but that transaction has been blocked. Apparently by the Green party and a right wing party citing concerns about neutrality. Dutch news but just posted for reference This was only one component of the total Dutch tank package (I think about 15%) but still a dick move. Despite GD's bitching NL owned 0 tanks at the start of the war1 but have been buying them all round to send. (1) NL sucks in the tank department becuase it's not in the NATO mission. Dutch for a smal country already do navy/subs and airforce |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:59:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Because as long as its not a humilating route of the Ukrainians, he doesnt care. It won't be another bloack mark on his hideous legacy, like the afghanistan abandonment was. He doesnt care that slow walking weapons is causing more civilian casualties by prolonging the fighting. And you can't dismiss the possibility that this POS is asking for tribute (kickback $j to provide the protection/new weapons. Always a mafia POS slime, thats all he ever has been. So....I'll count that as a "Yes" you voted for him |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:00:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:07:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:13:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DonKey153]
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Quote HistoryIt'd be interesting to see that concept with israeli spike missiles. It'd be especially nasty in taiwan, where target density would presumably be higher https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereh |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:17:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Dumb civilian's observation: artillery rounds seem to have much easier job destroying tanks than main guns of other tanks. Is this because artillery shoots HEAT munitions that attack from the top? Why even bother with the flat-shooting tank guns of ever larger calibers firing sabot rounds with ever more exotic penetrator designs then? They are just HE but might be 24 pounds, or close to 30 pounds TNT equivalent, in a case that gives off fragments weighing pounds, at thousands of feet per second. They aren’t a tank round replacement since you need to be able to use direct fire. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: A good video on the T55. A great laugh starting at 6:30  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTIoqVjWIXcm |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:22:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m35ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: This was only one component of the total Dutch tank package (I think about 15%) but still a dick move. Despite GD's bitching NL owned 0 tanks at the start of the war1 but have been buying them all round to send. (1) NL sucks in the tank department becuase it's not in the NATO mission. Dutch for a smal country already do navy/subs and airforce |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:30:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: They should at least knock down the rail portion of the bridge. They are on separate piers so should be able to disable the rail without destroying the highway lanes. Perhaps after cutting the land bridge give fair warning that in one month the Kerch rail bridge is on the target deck. Promise them a green corridor? http://crimeabridge404.online/ |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 8:30:45 PM EDT
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Dang.
I still liked the origional. 
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