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Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:20:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Well hey! $15 in potatoes is $15

But where's the Lada?
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Really unbelievable. Maybe a potato hold some deep spiritual meaning for Russians. But in the US such a poverty gift fir a soldiers death would be devastatingly insulting.
Well hey! $15 in potatoes is $15

But where's the Lada?

I was looking into Lada. It got its first boost by Fiat in the late 60s. WTF?? Then Renault helped modernize it again in like 2018. WTF?? Can’t we just let barbarians wallow in their own shit without constantly bailing them out???
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:20:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
These are usually good

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Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:21:56 AM EDT
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This is working

SEASON TWO PREMIERE! Good Morning, Kyiv (Day 567) (ft. @69thSniffingBrigade)

Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:25:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2A373:


The F-15EXs are definitely in short supply since they are new models which we only have 2 of in flight testing now. They are based on the F-15QA that Boeing just finished up building 36 of for Qatar.

Now there are a number of very recently retired F-15C in the Boneyard.
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There are almost 400 f16s in the boneyard of various vintages with some having been flown in within the last year or two.

Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:27:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Veccio:
Same Popov that got fired awhile back?
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Same Popov that got fired awhile back?

No that was Pytor Popov. This guy was his replacement though, so the same combat unit.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:41:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:


There are almost 400 f16s in the boneyard of various vintages with some having been flown in within the last year or two.

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Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Originally Posted By 2A373:


The F-15EXs are definitely in short supply since they are new models which we only have 2 of in flight testing now. They are based on the F-15QA that Boeing just finished up building 36 of for Qatar.

Now there are a number of very recently retired F-15C in the Boneyard.


There are almost 400 f16s in the boneyard of various vintages with some having been flown in within the last year or two.



Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:55:39 AM EDT
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Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.
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They may be but its what is currently available.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:55:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2A373:


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Correct, but they are a start to keeping the ZSU flying and being western ordnance to the fight.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 12:56:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
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The best plane is the gripen.

It’s not available in numbers like the f16 and f15 are.

The best option is the f16/f15 because of the numbers that can be sent
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 1:03:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By weptek911:


I wouldn’t watch his direct to video crap now, but he had some fun action movies in the 90’s I seem to remember him introducing the moronic press check on his 1911 though.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I love a good 90's Segal flick. It's not our fault he went nuts later in life.


I wouldn’t watch his direct to video crap now, but he had some fun action movies in the 90’s I seem to remember him introducing the moronic press check on his 1911 though.



Link Posted: 9/15/2023 1:26:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2A373:


Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Originally Posted By 2A373:


The F-15EXs are definitely in short supply since they are new models which we only have 2 of in flight testing now. They are based on the F-15QA that Boeing just finished up building 36 of for Qatar.

Now there are a number of very recently retired F-15C in the Boneyard.


There are almost 400 f16s in the boneyard of various vintages with some having been flown in within the last year or two.



Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.


“Not a pound for air to ground”. Ukraine needs strike capability and this means F-16, while an F-16 can get in a fight it’s real role is light bomber. And nobody is talking about sending E models.

The ideal would be one squadron of F-15C and 3 squadrons of F-16, plus an AWAC. But this will never happen.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 3:09:16 AM EDT
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Who also want trophy gift write to me!
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 3:27:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:


I want to also say I'm not against anyone being angry enough to call them any name- our Hungarian and other Eastern European friends on this page are especially justified in having a universally negative outlook on Russia.  I think it's also important to observe that there are some Russians who are somewhat honorable and decent, namely the Free Russia Regiment (or whatever they're called) for the many raids they've been conducting just across the border.  


Calling Russian children Orcs just doesn't sit right with me, site staff guidelines notwithstanding.  Their parents may be absolute scumbags- and their kids may be brainwashed and have fetal alcohol syndrome because of that- but that's NOT the kids' fault.  

Keep also in mind that there are likely thousands of abducted Ukrainian children who may one day be repatriated, but have already undergone severe brainwashing and might be hard to distinguish from a typical Russian for a while.  We should not be preemptively hostile to them by being so loose with applying the Orc label.
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I find nothing illogical about what you say to object here, except that there may be some Ukrainian kids suffering under near-POW conditions until they (or their parents) has a chance to speak for them (not at the point of a gun, obviously).

I want the US/NATO/Ukraine to win quick like, so that we can have real peace for the next 50-100 years (so maybe I'm a dreamer...idfc, gfys, lol)

Not trying to steal fire from anybody, but IMO this whole war demonstrates why we could have an entire benign leadership position in the western hemisphere. NAFTA was bad, but let's make a whole new thing that is good for everybody.

Pesos y quesos y cervezas y senioritas are mue bueno, amirite, mi amigos?
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 3:30:55 AM EDT
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27s-missile-missed-rc-135-spy-plane-after-deliberate-launch-report

"The latest revelations about the 2022 incident suggest the Russian Su-27 pilot followed up with a second missile, to try and down the RC-135."

"Suddenly aware of what was happening, the second Russian pilot remonstrated with his wingman after he fired the first missile. This led to a full-on argument between them, complete with expletives. That first missile "successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction."

According to the BBC, one of the sources said the pilot received words to the effect of "you have the target." It was this ambiguous language that led to the pilot's misinterpretation   and a deliberate missile launch.

Even after this dressing down from the wingman, the first pilot then fired another missile toward the RC-135. The BBC account says that the second missile "simply fell from the wing   suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted."

Wow. If these claims are indeed true, WW3 was avoided thanks in part to shitty Russian made missiles. The yahoos assigned to fly these old Su-27s are even more reckless and stupid than originally thought too.

Link Posted: 9/15/2023 3:56:18 AM EDT
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The Biden administrations weak responses to these things are disheartening.
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Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27s-missile-missed-rc-135-spy-plane-after-deliberate-launch-report

"The latest revelations about the 2022 incident suggest the Russian Su-27 pilot followed up with a second missile, to try and down the RC-135."

"Suddenly aware of what was happening, the second Russian pilot remonstrated with his wingman after he fired the first missile. This led to a full-on argument between them, complete with expletives. That first missile "successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction."

According to the BBC, one of the sources said the pilot received words to the effect of "you have the target." It was this ambiguous language that led to the pilot's misinterpretation   and a deliberate missile launch.

Even after this dressing down from the wingman, the first pilot then fired another missile toward the RC-135. The BBC account says that the second missile "simply fell from the wing   suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted."

Wow. If these claims are indeed true, WW3 was avoided thanks in part to shitty Russian made missiles. The yahoos assigned to fly these old Su-27s are even more reckless and stupid than originally thought too.

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Recklessness and unprofessionalism are tools for Russia.  The pilot that midaired a US drone got a medal.  They’ll instigate or even order such behavior and then throw up their hands and say “oops.”
There needs to be consequences.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 5:30:00 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/15/2023 5:40:34 AM EDT
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Russia's largest mobile operator will sharply increase tariffs

The mobile operator MTS sent out SMS notifications to subscribers about an increase in the cost of tariffs by 12% from September 28, Kommersant writes with reference to the messages. This is the company's fourth price increase since September 2022. The company explained the increase in price by an increase in equipment maintenance costs, as well as the need to invest in expanding and modernizing networks amid growing traffic.

Since 2022, telecom operators, due to sanctions and the withdrawal of Western vendors from the market, have experienced a shortage of equipment for network development. In total, they lack about 50 thousand base stations in 2023 alone, Skoltech calculated. According to Kommersant, other operators are also reviewing tariffs. For example, Yota (a virtual operator operating on the MegaFon network) will close some archived tariffs from September 22. MegaFon and VimpelCom (Beeline brand) announced a 20% tariff increase back in March.

The FAS promised to analyze the situation. Last year, the service accused MTS and MegaFon of unreasonably increasing prices for more than 44.5 million subscribers and ordered them to return them to the previous level. The operators tried to appeal the decision to the Moscow Arbitration Court, but to no avail. Earlier, the Ministry of Digital Development proposed to allow mobile operators to annually index tariffs above the inflation rate. Before this, operators asked to be allowed to raise prices by 5% above the inflation rate.


https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/15716

Link Posted: 9/15/2023 6:49:10 AM EDT
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I’m shocked…
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 6:52:07 AM EDT
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Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.
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Originally Posted By 2A373:
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Originally Posted By 2A373:


The F-15EXs are definitely in short supply since they are new models which we only have 2 of in flight testing now. They are based on the F-15QA that Boeing just finished up building 36 of for Qatar.

Now there are a number of very recently retired F-15C in the Boneyard.


There are almost 400 f16s in the boneyard of various vintages with some having been flown in within the last year or two.



Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.

So a few old MiG-29 and Su-24 are better?

There are several better than the F-16 but apparently none available. Any fourth Gen is far better than what they got. And any 4th Gen in good quantity is better than a 4th Gen only available in tens.
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
They may be but its what is currently available.
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Originally Posted By 2A373:


Lawn Darts with short legs and tiny little radars that cannot make use full use of an AIM-120's range.
They may be but its what is currently available.


Originally Posted By rtintwo:

“Not a pound for air to ground”. Ukraine needs strike capability and this means F-16, while an F-16 can get in a fight it’s real role is light bomber. And nobody is talking about sending E models.

The ideal would be one squadron of F-15C and 3 squadrons of F-16, plus an AWAC. But this will never happen.


Originally Posted By RockNwood:

So a few old MiG-29 and Su-24 are better?

There are several better than the F-16 but apparently none available. Any fourth Gen is far better than what they got. And any 4th Gen in good quantity is better than a 4th Gen only available in tens.



My post was a response to the post chain where biggrumpybear asked about if the F-15EX would be better than Euro stuff for dealing with the Su-35s.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 7:05:35 AM EDT
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Seems like a decent design for this kind of warfare. able to get almost anywhere (tracked and amphibious), 18km range, BMP-3 chassis should be relatively easy for them to maintain (familiarity and parts commonality), and Russia uses lots of 120mm mortars so the ammo is common.

The older 2S9 had significantly shorter range (12km)

Blow it up.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 7:13:02 AM EDT
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WSJ article on hypersonic weapons.

Hypersonic Missiles Are Game-Changers, and America Doesn’t Have Them

Given how poorly Russian hypersonic missiles have performed in this war, I’m not sure how important they actually are.

Perhaps China actually has something that concerns us.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 7:33:11 AM EDT
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Damn smokers.
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 7:43:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Recklessness and unprofessionalism are tools for Russia.  The pilot that midaired a US drone got a medal.  They’ll instigate or even order such behavior and then throw up their hands and say “oops.”
There needs to be consequences.
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Originally Posted By Capta:
Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27s-missile-missed-rc-135-spy-plane-after-deliberate-launch-report

"The latest revelations about the 2022 incident suggest the Russian Su-27 pilot followed up with a second missile, to try and down the RC-135."

"Suddenly aware of what was happening, the second Russian pilot remonstrated with his wingman after he fired the first missile. This led to a full-on argument between them, complete with expletives. That first missile "successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction."

According to the BBC, one of the sources said the pilot received words to the effect of "you have the target." It was this ambiguous language that led to the pilot's misinterpretation   and a deliberate missile launch.

Even after this dressing down from the wingman, the first pilot then fired another missile toward the RC-135. The BBC account says that the second missile "simply fell from the wing   suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted."

Wow. If these claims are indeed true, WW3 was avoided thanks in part to shitty Russian made missiles. The yahoos assigned to fly these old Su-27s are even more reckless and stupid than originally thought too.


Recklessness and unprofessionalism are tools for Russia.  The pilot that midaired a US drone got a medal.  They’ll instigate or even order such behavior and then throw up their hands and say “oops.”
There needs to be consequences.


No consequences for :

Korean Air Lines Flight 007
September 1, 1983

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces on 17 July 2014

invasions, terrorism, attacks.

Every mass murder from the gulags and POW camps..

none.......no punishments...no consequences....

It's time they pay...and its good Ukraine is doing a number on them.

Karma is never coma.....EVER.

Link Posted: 9/15/2023 8:11:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jozsi:


No consequences for :

Korean Air Lines Flight 007
September 1, 1983

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces on 17 July 2014

invasions, terrorism, attacks.

Every mass murder from the gulags and POW camps..

none.......no punishments...no consequences....

It's time they pay...and its good Ukraine is doing a number on them.

Karma is never coma.....EVER.

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And many MANY more atrocities, big and small over the past 100 years!!
It makes the pro-Russian fuckers on GD that much more awful. The actual Russians of 2022-2023 are much worse than depicted in any movie of my childhood. From the James Bond Russian villains, Red Dawn, Tom Clansey, etc. Really the only thing that can compare are the orcs from the LOTR movies!
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 8:17:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

It's going.to be interesting to see what the ua thinks of the m1a's after that video about the Bradley's.  There hasn't been much talk about the markets but the guardian has a video of a leopard tank crew praising it
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First they will love it. Then they will be PISSED! "They have thousands of tanks like this sitting in storage and they send us 31?"...
Link Posted: 9/15/2023 8:21:23 AM EDT
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I was referring to the euthanizing/murdering of people who had physical or mental handicaps. https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program
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Oh ok.
It's safe to say that the nazi's excelled at all sorts of atrocities. Outdone by the Soviets in scale but not in cold brutal efficiency.
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Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27s-missile-missed-rc-135-spy-plane-after-deliberate-launch-report

"The latest revelations about the 2022 incident suggest the Russian Su-27 pilot followed up with a second missile, to try and down the RC-135."

"Suddenly aware of what was happening, the second Russian pilot remonstrated with his wingman after he fired the first missile. This led to a full-on argument between them, complete with expletives. That first missile "successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction."

According to the BBC, one of the sources said the pilot received words to the effect of "you have the target." It was this ambiguous language that led to the pilot's misinterpretation   and a deliberate missile launch.

Even after this dressing down from the wingman, the first pilot then fired another missile toward the RC-135. The BBC account says that the second missile "simply fell from the wing   suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted."

Wow. If these claims are indeed true, WW3 was avoided thanks in part to shitty Russian made missiles. The yahoos assigned to fly these old Su-27s are even more reckless and stupid than originally thought too.

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There have been a lot of article 5 jokes, but we were scary close to being in a very different world but for the good fortune of shitty Russian missiles that day.
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Originally Posted By mercersfinest4:
WSJ article on hypersonic weapons.

Hypersonic Missiles Are Game-Changers, and America Doesn’t Have Them

Given how poorly Russian hypersonic missiles have performed in this war, I’m not sure how important they actually are.

Perhaps China actually has something that concerns us.
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Don’t confuse the Kinzhal with a hypersonic glide vehicle.
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We did good with Hellfire!
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I just have to say, there is some terrible and cheesy marketing in naming defense products, but Storm Shadow is a stroke of genius.

You're under a storm cloud, and you know it's going to rain and hail, but you just can't quite tell where or when it's all going to come crashing down...


I wish the US was more disciplined and cohesive about some of our naming schemes...I am tired of the political games being played with some of our ship names, for example. I much prefer the British approach (generally) where it's just...HMS (Adjective). Short, pithy, not messing around (usually).

Like...why wasn't the M10 called the "Murphy" instead of the Booker?! MoH winner...an Infantryman who fought superior forces from the back of a TD..."Murphy's Law" and the Army is like peanut butter and jelly....what a lost OPPORTUNITY!


I don't have a problem with the M10 being named the Booker. Both of the guys who were the namesake for the M10 were pretty bad ass in their own right. But hopefully they are saving the Murphy name for the XM30 IFV that will replace the Bradley. Since Audie was an infantryman, it would be a fitting name for a mechanized infantry vehicle. But knowing our current leadership. it is probably more likely it will be named after some major figure in the LGBTQ community.

I totally agree on ship naming though. The Brits do it best. I wish we would go back to naming aircraft carriers cool names like Intrepid, Hornet, etc. instead of mediocre presidents.



I have to admit, I wish we could have came up with the Storm Shadow name for a cruise missile.

We did good with Hellfire!



There is humor in it all.  Notice that we call the round "Hellfire" and the British call it "Brimstone"?

As in, Brimstone and Hellfire, references to Hell and damnation after death.
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Russian soldier back at home tosses grenade to entertain children. Mom wasn't impressed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxNoom4MLza/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==
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According to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Hungary, Péter Szijjártó, the whole world is suffering from the consequences of the war not because Russia attacked Ukraine, but because Europe globalized the conflict.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine believes that the EU should demand an explanation from Hungary why it spreads disinformation against the European Union in the interests of Russia.
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I think the systems won't perform as advertised, a lot of cope in the pro Russian corner today.  


Analog of HIMARS had me laughing.  The Russians apparently haven't made a real analog of HIMARS, so I don't expect the hermit kingdom to have somehow created a superior system.





"Thanks to them (DPRK), Russia can reverse the situation at the front." -- Russian Propagandists

I am not sure if the horse is in front of the cart, but multiple Russian sources are celebrating what they claim is an agreement made between the DPRK and  Russia for the provision of the KN-09 GMLRS, barrel artillery and ammunition.

I also believe this has #China's fingerprints all over it.

Here is a good discussion about the KN-09 GMLRS: https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/assessing-the-dprks-kn-09-300-mm-multiple-rocket-launcher-system-decisive-or-incremental/

Example:

The DPRK has decided to start supplying its latest KN-09 (MLRS) multiple launch rocket systems to the Russian Federation. Flies far, hits very accurately. Analog of HIMARS.

In addition to the artillery, the DPRK will supply us with missile systems that can greatly harm Kiev (APU). But for Pyongyang, it is also a way to test a new weapon that has entered service. For example, the Korean KN-09 rocket artillery system, introduced around 2014, boasts a range of up to 220 kilometers. The caliber of its projectile is 300 mm.

And the KN-25 system, first introduced in 2019, hits further than 400 km with six 600-mm shells and weighing three tons each.

In general, these MLRS are the most effective in the world. They are superior to their American counterparts: HIMARS (KN-09) and MGM-140 ATACMS (KN-25).

Theoretically, it is possible that we will also receive from the DPRK 170-mm self-propelled artillery installations M1989 "Koksan". With conventional ammunition, this ACS can operate at distances up to 40 km, and with the use of active-reactive - 60 km. This is also much more effective than the most modern NATO guns.

According to the information, deliveries will begin from October. And on the front of ITS new types of weapons may be by November.

The DPRK's artillery is one of the best in the world, and its multimillion-dollar reserves of shells are unique in their volumes. Thanks to them, Russia can reverse the situation at the front.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

And many MANY more atrocities, big and small over the past 100 years!!
It makes the pro-Russian fuckers on GD that much more awful. The actual Russians of 2022-2023 are much worse than depicted in any movie of my childhood. From the James Bond Russian villains, Red Dawn, Tom Clansey, etc. Really the only thing that can compare are the orcs from the LOTR movies!
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Originally Posted By Jozsi:


No consequences for :

Korean Air Lines Flight 007
September 1, 1983

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces on 17 July 2014

invasions, terrorism, attacks.

Every mass murder from the gulags and POW camps..

none.......no punishments...no consequences....

It's time they pay...and its good Ukraine is doing a number on them.

Karma is never coma.....EVER.


And many MANY more atrocities, big and small over the past 100 years!!
It makes the pro-Russian fuckers on GD that much more awful. The actual Russians of 2022-2023 are much worse than depicted in any movie of my childhood. From the James Bond Russian villains, Red Dawn, Tom Clansey, etc. Really the only thing that can compare are the orcs from the LOTR movies!



I unfriended and basically threw away all of my stuff from Maxim Potenker the Russian gun writer when all he can make excuses for Hungary was that Hungary had a relatively large Waffen SS divisions.

None of that is true and it barely comes down to about 7k soldiers that were recruited from Hungary in total and they were never a full strength German division so for his excuse in Russia occupying Hungary is because of one 6 month period where the Germans did a coup and took over Hungary and made it an unwilling ally to the end of the war.

Fuck him for drinking bullshit kool aid.

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According to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Hungary, Péter Szijjártó, the whole world is suffering from the consequences of the war not because Russia attacked Ukraine, but because Europe globalized the conflict.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine believes that the EU should demand an explanation from Hungary why it spreads disinformation against the European Union in the interests of Russia.
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I have no more excuses for them and will not vote in the next election for these fucktards.....I don't give two shits if my local representative is a hot shit in her 30's with nice titties.

It's over.

Fuck them....

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Link Posted: 9/15/2023 9:29:32 AM EDT
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I think the systems won't perform as advertised, a lot of cope in the pro Russian corner today.  


Analog of HIMARS had me laughing.  The Russians apparently haven't made a real analog of HIMARS, so I don't expect the hermit kingdom to have somehow created a superior system.







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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I think the systems won't perform as advertised, a lot of cope in the pro Russian corner today.  


Analog of HIMARS had me laughing.  The Russians apparently haven't made a real analog of HIMARS, so I don't expect the hermit kingdom to have somehow created a superior system.





"Thanks to them (DPRK), Russia can reverse the situation at the front." -- Russian Propagandists

I am not sure if the horse is in front of the cart, but multiple Russian sources are celebrating what they claim is an agreement made between the DPRK and  Russia for the provision of the KN-09 GMLRS, barrel artillery and ammunition.

I also believe this has #China's fingerprints all over it.

Here is a good discussion about the KN-09 GMLRS: https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/assessing-the-dprks-kn-09-300-mm-multiple-rocket-launcher-system-decisive-or-incremental/

Example:

The DPRK has decided to start supplying its latest KN-09 (MLRS) multiple launch rocket systems to the Russian Federation. Flies far, hits very accurately. Analog of HIMARS.

In addition to the artillery, the DPRK will supply us with missile systems that can greatly harm Kiev (APU). But for Pyongyang, it is also a way to test a new weapon that has entered service. For example, the Korean KN-09 rocket artillery system, introduced around 2014, boasts a range of up to 220 kilometers. The caliber of its projectile is 300 mm.

And the KN-25 system, first introduced in 2019, hits further than 400 km with six 600-mm shells and weighing three tons each.

In general, these MLRS are the most effective in the world. They are superior to their American counterparts: HIMARS (KN-09) and MGM-140 ATACMS (KN-25).

Theoretically, it is possible that we will also receive from the DPRK 170-mm self-propelled artillery installations M1989 "Koksan". With conventional ammunition, this ACS can operate at distances up to 40 km, and with the use of active-reactive - 60 km. This is also much more effective than the most modern NATO guns.

According to the information, deliveries will begin from October. And on the front of ITS new types of weapons may be by November.

The DPRK's artillery is one of the best in the world, and its multimillion-dollar reserves of shells are unique in their volumes. Thanks to them, Russia can reverse the situation at the front.


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If any of the aid from NK turns out to be impactful for Russia I would assume that the US will provide just enough additional aid to provide UKR with a marginal advantage to continue what has been a slow boil of the Russian frog.

That does seem to be the strategy.
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We've actually heard these things many times before but it is curious to hear this from a top-level official who decided to share this over 3 months after the start of the CO, indicating that things are worsening.
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On the China front:




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