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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:45:09 AM EDT
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High resolution images from yesterday's S-400 destruction. May not have gotten the radar, but reports of multiple explosions in the area.
 
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think the systems won't perform as advertised, a lot of cope in the pro Russian corner today.  Analog of HIMARS had me laughing. The Russians apparently haven't made a real analog of HIMARS, so I don't expect the hermit kingdom to have somehow created a superior system.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:47:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:49:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Russian EW station being hit.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:51:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zhukov]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: On the China front:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Ec7WxXQAAKzjK?format=jpg&name=small
That's hilarious. I was just watching a Zeihan video where he discussed exactly this. Brief summary: China says "fuck you" to West by somehow patching together a 7nm process to build Huawei chips, obviously skirting sanctions illegally. Zeihan surmised that they may shoot themselves in the foot if the West cuts China off COMPLETELY in retaliation, and...   Why Huawei's 7nm Chip Isn't a Big Chinese Breakthrough || Peter Zeihan |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:51:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27s-missile-missed-rc-135-spy-plane-after-deliberate-launch-report "The latest revelations about the 2022 incident suggest the Russian Su-27 pilot followed up with a second missile, to try and down the RC-135." "Suddenly aware of what was happening, the second Russian pilot remonstrated with his wingman after he fired the first missile. This led to a full-on argument between them, complete with expletives. That first missile "successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction." According to the BBC, one of the sources said the pilot received words to the effect of "you have the target." It was this ambiguous language that led to the pilot's misinterpretation and a deliberate missile launch. Even after this dressing down from the wingman, the first pilot then fired another missile toward the RC-135. The BBC account says that the second missile "simply fell from the wing suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted." Wow. If these claims are indeed true, WW3 was avoided thanks in part to shitty Russian made missiles. The yahoos assigned to fly these old Su-27s are even more reckless and stupid than originally thought too. I would have to imagine that if this would have led to the downing of the 135 that a total no-fly zone would have been enacted by NATO over the area. Russia lucked out. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:57:23 AM EDT
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 Only about 200 missiles are made, with a 14km range.  https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-russia-using-its-advanced-new-anti-armor-missile-in-ukraine  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMUR The LMUR's maximum range is 14.5 km, which is superior to that of the other Russian helicopter-launched ATGMs.[1] It has an optical/thermal imaging seeker.[7] It can be used in two different modes. In the first one, the target is marked by the operator before launch, and the carrier helicopter can turn away directly after the missile launch. In the second mode, the missile is launched without it being locked on a target. It first flies in its direction, using inertial guidance with satellite navigation providing corrections. The image from the seeker is transmitted back to the helicopter via a datalink pod called the AS-BPLA (Аппаратура связи с беспилотным летательным аппаратом or communication equipment with an unmanned aerial vehicle). The operator can select the target and change it while the missile is flying towards its area. The LMUR is the first Russian ATGM capable of being used in this fashion.[1] This second mode of operation is the only one in which the missile can be used at its maximum range, due to the seeker's limitations.  On the Mi-8MNP-2, the AS-BPLA datalink antenna is located in a fairing in the nose, which is also the case on a new variant of the Mi-28NE, shown at the 2021 Dubai Airshow (its location is used by the guidance antenna for the 9M120 Ataka missile on other Mi-28 versions). On the Ka-52M, it is situated under the left stub wing.[1] |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 9:58:13 AM EDT
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I swear, Zeihan is either a user here or someone on this site is prescient. Zeihan on the Russia-NK arms deal:
 North Korea to Provide Russia with Military Aid || Peter Zeihan Bad news: Russia has nothing left to trade with the Norks except maybe ballistic missile technology. Ugh... |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:04:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: This is an AR15 message forum, not a proper afternoon tea. If I want to call a Russian an Orc, I'll call them an Orc. If they don't like it---then leave Ukraine. Until then, they are nothing but murdering hordes of Orcs. F'em. This is an AR15 message forum WITH RULES. When you registered your account, you agreed to follow those rules. If you want to start referring to average Russian families living peacefully in Russia as Orcs, or Russian immigrants in the West, or Russian gymnasts or hockey players or whatever ... then you are likely to receive an account warning. The term Orc is perfectly fine to describe Russian soldiers fighting Ukraine, or even Russian soldiers in general. It is also acceptable for Russian who openly support their war in Ukraine. It is NOT acceptable to use the term to describe any and all Russians, just because they are Russian. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:06:41 AM EDT
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When North Korea and it's technology is your best hope, you are not doing well.
I could understand if they were buying a shit ton of artillery ammo, but a machine that sort of looks like a MLRS from North Korea is awful likely to be nothing more than a grad whose chassis finally wore out. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:28:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: This is an AR15 message forum WITH RULES. When you registered your account, you agreed to follow those rules. If you want to start referring to average Russian families living peacefully in Russia as Orcs, or Russian immigrants in the West, or Russian gymnasts or hockey players or whatever ... then you are likely to receive an account warning. The term Orc is perfectly fine to describe Russian soldiers fighting Ukraine, or even Russian soldiers in general. It is also acceptable for Russian who openly support their war in Ukraine. It is NOT acceptable to use the term to describe any and all Russians, just because they are Russian. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Billy_Ringo: This is an AR15 message forum, not a proper afternoon tea. If I want to call a Russian an Orc, I'll call them an Orc. If they don't like it---then leave Ukraine. Until then, they are nothing but murdering hordes of Orcs. F'em. This is an AR15 message forum WITH RULES. When you registered your account, you agreed to follow those rules. If you want to start referring to average Russian families living peacefully in Russia as Orcs, or Russian immigrants in the West, or Russian gymnasts or hockey players or whatever ... then you are likely to receive an account warning. The term Orc is perfectly fine to describe Russian soldiers fighting Ukraine, or even Russian soldiers in general. It is also acceptable for Russian who openly support their war in Ukraine. It is NOT acceptable to use the term to describe any and all Russians, just because they are Russian. We always do this, turn a perfectly descriptive and useful word or even insult into a meaningless slur. Absent the baggage, think of how more accurate (and less demeaning) a word like "retarded" is for someone who takes a while to learn something due to mental issues than "mentally challenged", which in isolation from the baggage associated with the term "retarded" totally drips with passive-aggressive dismissiveness in comparison to the term "retarded", or even "slow-learner". Applying Orc to everyone who has ever read Pushkin in the original Russian or even shows any sympathy for the mobliks being fed into the meat grinder against their will takes the focus off the objective subhuman behavior of the portion of the Russian civilian and military population that led to the comparison of these "bad" Russians to the subhuman protagonists in J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle Earth. Note how meaningless the terms "Nazi" and "Fascist" have become in the hands of the Left.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:29:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I swear, Zeihan is either a user here or someone on this site is prescient. Zeihan on the Russia-NK arms deal:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRfpkCDzBSQBad news: Russia has nothing left to trade with the Norks except maybe ballistic missile technology. Ugh... lol, he could be a member here. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:44:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GBTX01]
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I am sure the RU is glad they have so many dry docks near by to make these annoying repairs...Oh wait...  
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USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:50:29 AM EDT
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A new report says Estonia gave Ukraine advanced warning of russia’s airborne assault on Hostomel airport last year.
The intelligence helped Ukraine reposition its defences in time and thwart russia’s ‘elite’ troops in the pivotal battle to prevent the fall of Kyiv. Estonian military intelligence has a track record here. In 2014, it also picked up russia’s invasion of Crimea in advance to issue warnings. In Spring 2022, it was already noticing unusual movements of russian troops being prepared for an attack on Ukraine. The airborne assault on Hostomel was launched from Pskov near the Estonian border using units whose primary role until then was to threaten the Baltic countries, hence it wouldn’t be a surprise that the Baltics had good eyes on them. During those key hours early in russia’s full scale war, the report claims details of the airborne assault was briefed to Ukraine before the planes had taken off. Had Hostomel fallen, the invaders could have established an air bridge to capture Kyiv. Had Kyiv fallen, Ukraine could have been rapidly decapitated and subjected to a far larger scale genocide before the country was consumed and weaponised by russia in a larger war against the world. In this rare interview with Margo Grosberg, outgoing chief of Estonia’s military intelligence, he won’t confirm or deny the story but gives plenty of other valuable insights, while criticising the collective West for the slow pace of arms to help Ukraine. There are no red lines for which russia is waiting to escalate, he points out. Only responding with strength will de-escalate russian aggression. Take note, Musk - and others with perpetually bad takes. These are the people who actually saw russia’s war coming and did prevent a major escalation of it. Great reporting from @holger_r & Eero Epner. https://vsquare.org/how-estonias-military-intelligence-secretly-helped-ukraine/
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:51:29 AM EDT
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Two weeks…
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:51:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2023 10:56:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
I am sure the RU is glad they have so many dry docks near by to make these annoying repairs...Oh wait... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
I am sure the RU is glad they have so many dry docks near by to make these annoying repairs...Oh wait... Interesting target.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_corvette_Samum Sensors and processing systems: Monolit-E / Monument-E target detection and designation radar Pozitiv-ME1 air/surface search radar 5P-10E Fire Control Radar Anapa-ME1 sonar Moskit-E 3Ts-81E missile fire control system Various cannon and missile guidance and countermeasure systems Electronic warfare & decoys Vympel-R2 suite with Foot Ball-A interceptors Half Hat-B interceptors 2 × PK-10 decoy rocket launchers 2 × PK-16 decoy rocket launchers Weapons: 2 × Quadruple MT-206ME launchers for 3M-80E "Moskit" marine cruise missiles 1 × 9K33M "Osa-MA" type surface-to-air missile system for anti-aircraft defense with 20 missiles 1 × AK–176M automatic 76.2 mm cannon 2 × AK-630 30 mm anti-aircraft Gatling cannons 16 × 9K38 Igla man-portable shoulder mounted surface-to-air missile launcher sets 2 × 14.5 mm naval machine gun mounts 1 × DP-64 anti-saboteur grenade launcher |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:00:04 AM EDT
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Every day that goes by without an attack on the Kerch bridge makes me sad.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Every day that goes by without an attack on the Kerch bridge makes me sad. Just a little more patience will pay off.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:05:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: klinc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Two weeks…
Maybe in a week and a half we get a "Surprise Motherfucker!" towards Russia. Germany: Oh yeah, we sent those over already. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:18:32 AM EDT
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Official govt. of Ukraine post.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:21:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Official govt. of Ukraine post.
Defending major sam systems in anything other the open fields with a laser or cwis type system is going to be tough in the future of fpv drones flying through trees at them etc. You can transition to the interceptors being carried on stealth drones or something but you can't make a stealth radar array other then say a bunch of really cheap emitter sets and maybe stealth passive Rd receivers? |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:33:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Defending major sam systems in anything other the open fields with a laser or cwis type system is going to be tough in the future of fpv drones flying through trees at them etc. You can transition to the interceptors being carried on stealth drones or something but you can't make a stealth radar array other then say a bunch of really cheap emitter sets and maybe stealth passive Rd receivers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Official govt. of Ukraine post.
Defending major sam systems in anything other the open fields with a laser or cwis type system is going to be tough in the future of fpv drones flying through trees at them etc. You can transition to the interceptors being carried on stealth drones or something but you can't make a stealth radar array other then say a bunch of really cheap emitter sets and maybe stealth passive Rd receivers? You can make stealthy radars, they are called low probability of intercept, or LPI. But you need advanced electronics to do that. Notice in the list of systems below who has the advantage in making these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-probability-of-intercept_radar https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017SPIE10188E..0MZ/abstract Noise and LPI radar as part of counter-drone mitigation system measures |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:44:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:47:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PolarBear416]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Defending major sam systems in anything other the open fields with a laser or cwis type system is going to be tough in the future of fpv drones flying through trees at them etc. You can transition to the interceptors being carried on stealth drones or something but you can't make a stealth radar array other then say a bunch of really cheap emitter sets and maybe stealth passive Rd receivers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Official govt. of Ukraine post.
Defending major sam systems in anything other the open fields with a laser or cwis type system is going to be tough in the future of fpv drones flying through trees at them etc. You can transition to the interceptors being carried on stealth drones or something but you can't make a stealth radar array other then say a bunch of really cheap emitter sets and maybe stealth passive Rd receivers? Maybe the interceptors will become a swarm of autonomous drones with small air to air missiles (range a few hundred feet) that hunt and seek incoming drones. Getting pretty sci fi but not implausible. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 11:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
I am sure the RU is glad they have so many dry docks near by to make these annoying repairs...Oh wait... Well, the Russians DID manage to lose a naval battle against the Czechs, so.... . Seriously, it sound like the Ukes have finally acquired the means to neutralize the Black Sea fleet through precision weapons and attritional warfare. In some ways, with the restrictions on drydock facilities and the targeting of these and other fuel/repair facilities, the Ukrainians have an opportunity to engage the Russians in an attritional naval fight without actually having a fleet. The Ghost of Mahan is furiously scrambling to add a chapter to his books on not placing the "fleet in being" in proximity to littoral waters while the Oozlefinch smiles from his exile and starts packing his bags for the inevitable phone call from Fort Sill....
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:00:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Exactly. You and I know all these things but these are the ideas being planted by "authoritative" sources on the right. The expose posted here on Heritage, I think, is just scratching the surface of how the Right has been infiltrated to reshape the info space. Here's his entire 3rd segment with all the hysterics. It really should be listened to. Right at the very start he uses the phrase, "We have no oversight," which as we know is an easily, demonstrably false line of thought. It takes 5 seconds to search "Ukraine aid oversight" and see the search results going to the various OIG offices involved. That right there should make any thinking person say, "Woah, if he can't get such a basic fact like that correct, how can I trust anything else he says?" The problem is there is no critical thought. It's simply taken as truth. This lack of critical thought and logic is going to do us all in. In another thread there's a member that posted this: https://bravetv.com/flashback-part-1-was-january-6th-violence-a-ukrainian-military-special-operation-to-destroy-donald-trump/ From the same site that brings you such feature stories as: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-09-14_1-47-59_jpg-2953101.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-09-14_1-48-37_jpg-2953102.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-09-14_1-49-04_jpg-2953103.JPG There is a serious level of societal rot going on. It used to be relegated to the fringes but it has crept into the mainstream and is taking over. 
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6DjwzLbIAA6HfC?format=jpg&name=large Only about 200 missiles are made, with a 14km range. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/LMUR_305.jpg/640px-LMUR_305.jpg https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-russia-using-its-advanced-new-anti-armor-missile-in-ukraine https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/28/Russian-Missile-Ukraine.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMUR Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6DjwzLbIAA6HfC?format=jpg&name=large Only about 200 missiles are made, with a 14km range. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/LMUR_305.jpg/640px-LMUR_305.jpg https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-russia-using-its-advanced-new-anti-armor-missile-in-ukraine https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/28/Russian-Missile-Ukraine.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMUR The LMUR's maximum range is 14.5 km, which is superior to that of the other Russian helicopter-launched ATGMs.[1] It has an optical/thermal imaging seeker.[7] It can be used in two different modes. In the first one, the target is marked by the operator before launch, and the carrier helicopter can turn away directly after the missile launch. In the second mode, the missile is launched without it being locked on a target. It first flies in its direction, using inertial guidance with satellite navigation providing corrections. The image from the seeker is transmitted back to the helicopter via a datalink pod called the AS-BPLA (Аппаратура связи с беспилотным летательным аппаратом or communication equipment with an unmanned aerial vehicle). The operator can select the target and change it while the missile is flying towards its area. The LMUR is the first Russian ATGM capable of being used in this fashion.[1] This second mode of operation is the only one in which the missile can be used at its maximum range, due to the seeker's limitations. On the Mi-8MNP-2, the AS-BPLA datalink antenna is located in a fairing in the nose, which is also the case on a new variant of the Mi-28NE, shown at the 2021 Dubai Airshow (its location is used by the guidance antenna for the 9M120 Ataka missile on other Mi-28 versions). On the Ka-52M, it is situated under the left stub wing.[1]Is t it also cool that there is nearly a 50% chance that exact chopper has been killed? |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:06:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6ERXNMXsAAAEj0?format=png&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6ERXbWWAAEBEGp?format=png&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6ERXxuWQAAuXBa?format=png&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6ESEtNWEAA4lh9?format=png&name=small LOL. If NATO was using ALL their "tools" there would be nothing left of the Russians all the way to Moscow. It must sting to think Russia has been pushed back using maybe 10% of NATO's 1990's tech... |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:09:52 PM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:12:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Turkey would let them leave, by treaty they have to let them back in too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By jhereg: Where are they going to go? If Turkey won't let warships pass then they're stuck. Turkey would let them leave, by treaty they have to let them back in too. In times of conflict where Turkey is not one of the combatants, ships from the warring nations outside the Black Sea are not permitted to enter. The exception is shops outside the Black Sea can enter if their base is registered as being in the BS. Turkey has already denied Russian entrance of several Russian vessels, including most recently a Russian frigate in the Mediterranean escorting one of the tankers making the gas run to Syria because they were not registered with a BS home port. Russia can and I expect will be moving some smaller combatants, including their Kaliber armed Buyan corvettes from the Baltic to the Black Sea through their inland water way system. It’s unclear but ultimately up to Turkey if they would accept ships transferred in this manner as being registered as based in the BS. I suspect turkey would consider the registration window closed for the duration of the conflict, and Russia likely wouldn’t challenge it because it could open up the BS to NATO navies if the terms are renegotiated. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:14:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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I hope this is really just playing head games, and stuff will just start exploding everywhere on the Russian lines.
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-closer-to-acquiring-atacms-long-range-missiles-from-u-s-this-fall-a2ea92b?st=otc83ht1mmdcebk So ATACMS might be ready sooner: Russia has also cautioned Washington that providing longer-range missiles could cross a “red line,” spurring fears in some quarters about the risk that the conflict in Ukraine could escalate into a clash between Moscow and Washington. Yet several factors, U.S. officials say, have prompted the Biden administration to give fresh consideration to providing the missile. Plans under review within the administration call for providing a limited number of the missiles, which could ease Pentagon concerns about eating deeply into U.S. stocks, officials said. Another long-range system the U.S. has said it would provide, the ground-launched small-diameter bomb with a range of about 90 miles, is months away from being transferred, officials said. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By 1969iggy: Plantation Grand Reserve 5 year. I love rum. It's part of my retirement plan. If i drink enough, my liver won't outlast my money. My brother was a rum lover.  Tequila was preferred dance partner.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:18:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: I have no more excuses for them and will not vote in the next election for these fucktards.....I don't give two shits if my local representative is a hot shit in her 30's with nice titties. It's over. Fuck them.... Things are hard..."because Europe globalized the conflict"....WTF does that mean? Sanctions? Scouring the globe looking for weapons and ammo for Ukraine? Coming to the aid of Ukraine? Any comment of fucking Russian invading neighbors again? Is that even just a little "bad"? Should NATO just ignore this level of aggression and threat approaching from Russia? What should NATO have done in response? Harsh language? I'm very sorry that Hungary has high gas and oil prices but I will not let the world become a Russian dominated hellscape. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: High resolution images from yesterday's S-400 destruction. May not have gotten the radar, but reports of multiple explosions in the area. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5_95g5WkAAtMOe?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5_-puoW4AEEJPl?format=jpg&name=medium
They prolly need an air defense system to cover their air defense system. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:25:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: They prolly need an air defense system to cover their air defense system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: High resolution images from yesterday's S-400 destruction. May not have gotten the radar, but reports of multiple explosions in the area. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5_95g5WkAAtMOe?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5_-puoW4AEEJPl?format=jpg&name=medium
They prolly need an air defense system to cover their air defense system. That can be part of a strategy. You just keep introducing tools (weapons) that make defending so expensive that you can't afford to defend everything the way you want. So they can have an S-400, but to protect against everything, they also need multiple medium range and short range systems to go with it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Nothing a little paint and duct tape won't fix. "Minor damage" |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Official govt. of Ukraine post.
Turkey should go skull fuck themselves for such a stupid fucken deal, losing their F-35 status for that piece of shit S-400. Everything US intelligence was saying was correct, the fucken thing would read the F-35 radar signature and send it back to Russia. Dumb dumb dumb..... |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I hope this is really just playing head games, and stuff will just start exploding everywhere on the Russian lines.
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-closer-to-acquiring-atacms-long-range-missiles-from-u-s-this-fall-a2ea92b?st=otc83ht1mmdcebk So ATACMS might be ready sooner: At this point, I have to regard the GLSDB as nothing more than vaporware. It was supposed to be ready a year ago. It still isn't ready. Will it ever be ready? I am starting to have serious doubts. Instead of wasting all this time dicking around with GLSDB, I wish we had just contracted South Korea to build us a bunch of K239 Chunmoo systems with all the various pods needed to fire the full range of rockets and ballistic missiles it is capable of firing and transferred those to Ukraine instead. Unlike us, South Korea seems to have their manufacturing heads out of their ass and can rapidly produce equipment. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:42:51 PM EDT
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[#44]
Confirmed.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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I feel pretty confident, saying that kilo class submarine is effectively destroyed. Mini years ago, I was a structural engineer, working for the Navy on submersible systems, including fast attack submarines. This was at the beginning of my career, and I was a very Junior engineer, so I am definitely not a subject matter expert. However, based on my limited experience of the complexities of repairing pressure hulls, I would say that even if the damage is limited such that a repair is theoretically possible, I think the probability of it being able to be repaired to a seaworthy state and return to fight in this conflict is zero. Most likely scenario, it sits there until it gets scrapped. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:50:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Confirmed.
Upon hearing this news, goats everywhere are reported to have cheered. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:53:57 PM EDT
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There is a rumor I heard from a Hungarian army friend that Israel sent the new Raphael Trophy system to Ukraine for install on Leppards and possibly Abrams.
https://www.rafael.co.il/worlds/land/trophy-aps/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=trophy_gsn&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=gsn&gclid=CjwKCAjwgZCoBhBnEiwAz35RwuDUxkgYtMz0rfLgOz_b4L94LSe4QeAQvFFTxEsuV5oYSPfGmcjNpBoChJ8QAvD_BwE His source is one of the IDF attaches for NATO. |
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: I feel pretty confident, saying that kilo class submarine is effectively destroyed. Mini years ago, I was a structural engineer, working for the Navy on submersible systems, including fast attack submarines. This was at the beginning of my career, and I was a very Junior engineer, so I am definitely not a subject matter expert. However, based on my limited experience of the complexities of repairing pressure hulls, I would say that even if the damage is limited such that a repair is theoretically possible, I think the probability of it being able to be repaired to a seaworthy state and return to fight in this conflict is zero. Most likely scenario, it sits there until it gets scrapped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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I feel pretty confident, saying that kilo class submarine is effectively destroyed. Mini years ago, I was a structural engineer, working for the Navy on submersible systems, including fast attack submarines. This was at the beginning of my career, and I was a very Junior engineer, so I am definitely not a subject matter expert. However, based on my limited experience of the complexities of repairing pressure hulls, I would say that even if the damage is limited such that a repair is theoretically possible, I think the probability of it being able to be repaired to a seaworthy state and return to fight in this conflict is zero. Most likely scenario, it sits there until it gets scrapped. I agree, plus these sonar arrays are pretty delicate and expensive, I would not want these to be slow roasted over a fire for hours. Of course, the missile may have gone through it though anyways.  
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Posted: 9/15/2023 12:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: There is a rumor I heard from a Hungarian army friend that Israel sent the new Raphael Trophy system to Ukraine for install on Leppards and possibly Abrams. https://www.rafael.co.il/worlds/land/trophy-aps/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=trophy_gsn&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=gsn&gclid=CjwKCAjwgZCoBhBnEiwAz35RwuDUxkgYtMz0rfLgOz_b4L94LSe4QeAQvFFTxEsuV5oYSPfGmcjNpBoChJ8QAvD_BwE His source is one of the IDF attaches for NATO. That would be awesome if it turns out to be true. That would be a great defensive assist for those tanks. |
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