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Posted: 10/1/2023 6:58:23 PM EDT
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4950 - Victory For Ukraine!
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Posted: 10/1/2023 6:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Call me crazy but after Kherson when the Ukranians had momentum it seems to me that was the time to bury Ukraine in much needed equipment so they could keep pushing forward. Instead of our leaders wringing their hands over fear of making putin angry. Of course I also think there was a strategic mistake when wagner was pulling out and actively fighting with the russian military, that was the time to go for it. The russians in bakhmut never had the time to build massive defensive positions as they were pushing forward up to that point. Oh well, 20/20 hindsight in war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Not much change in the lines. Big news is the Ukraine defense industry forum was a success. Many companies are setting up armament factories in Ukraine in the next 2-5 years. Drones, armor, munitions, rifles, etc. UA is still taking out about 38 artillery tubes per day. Some Republicans tried to derail funding for Ukraine but a separate funding package is expected to be easily passed next week. Sorry to hear about the disruption in your life. I hope it gets sorted to the good for you soon. Oh yeah, UK sending trainers into Ukraine. 😁
Call me crazy but after Kherson when the Ukranians had momentum it seems to me that was the time to bury Ukraine in much needed equipment so they could keep pushing forward. Instead of our leaders wringing their hands over fear of making putin angry. Of course I also think there was a strategic mistake when wagner was pulling out and actively fighting with the russian military, that was the time to go for it. The russians in bakhmut never had the time to build massive defensive positions as they were pushing forward up to that point. Oh well, 20/20 hindsight in war. All very true. I can imagine the Ukrainian leaders were beside themselves seeing the opportunity and getting dismissive condescension from Biden. And Milley promising it will be a very long war. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:02:32 PM EDT
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ISW supplemental.
WEAKNESS IS LETHAL: WHY PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE AND HOW THE WAR MUST END https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/weakness-lethal-why-putin-invaded-ukraine-and-how-war-must-end |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Geez. That #3 guy takes it in the back and is writhing in pain and the other guy strolls by nonchalantly ignoring him not even trying to give aid or pull him into the dugout. Must be damn lonely on the front knowing nobody to your left or right gives a damn if you are wounded or need aid and literally won’t lift a finger to help. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:25:52 PM EDT
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FILE: Russia Will Never Attack a NATO Country, Trust Me Bro
EXHIBIT: 87+2
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NE, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
At least the Russians are smart enough not to have outsourced their tech service to India! |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:41:12 PM EDT
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Disinfo War heats up! Is Spiderman a good guy, or a an evil degenerate??
This important a d timely controversy was put before the Grand Council of Esteemed Florks for judgement.
NOT FOR THE QUEASY! Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Here is a very interesting analysis of some Pentagon actions within the existing budget to fund various ‘buys’ that largely support Ukraine. This activity is called reprogramming where DOD can, with relatively minimal fuss, move money among enacted budget accounts to get shit done. This is only a partial analysis of the reprogramming actions taken in the last month of FY23 (September). It is fairly clear that Ukraine will be getting hundreds of ATACMS shots based on this reprogramming analysis. Click and read. I posted the unrolled thread in the spoiler tags below. https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1708504111149162643 I am in Warsaw and was quite busy the last two weeks with the preparation for and then networking at the Heart of Europe International TV Festival... so I only found the time to work through two #Pentagon Ukraine Realignment papers. So many new weapons for 🇺🇦 Ukraine 😃😃 1/14 https://x.com/noclador/status/1708504113296580796 So let's begin with the coolest stuff - there is a classified Army emergency missile procurement for $187.4m... which it seems isn't GMLRS, as that is under another classified section: $71.3m of GMLRS are being acquired. So: if it isn't GMLRS... what could it be 😉 2/n Unrolled thread here. Click To View Spoiler That's quite a haul. I am sure Ukraine will put every bit of it to good use.  Now let's keep it coming! |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:57:07 PM EDT
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That would also take much of the burden for international security off the struggling US budget. According to the WSJ, "Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Ukraine’s allies in the U.S. need to make a better case to the American people, starting by reminding them that America gave Ukraine security assurances in 1994 in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal. 'If indeed we breached that agreement with Ukraine, what do you think every one of our enemies—and more importantly, our allies—are going to say about America? ‘We can’t count on America,'' Risch said. 'That has a domino effect. It is greatly debilitating to the national security of the United States, not the least of which it’s going to set off a view by many countries that, 'We can’t count on the United States. We need nuclear weapons.'" @SenatorRisch is mostly right, except that strong democratic allies with nuclear weapons - like the UK and France - actually increase US national security. They are nuclear stumbling blocks that enemies must overcome prior to invading our shores. wsj.com/politics/polic… |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Geez. That #3 guy takes it in the back and is writhing in pain and the other guy strolls by nonchalantly ignoring him not even trying to give aid or pull him into the dugout. Must be damn lonely on the front knowing nobody to your left or right gives a damn if you are wounded or need aid and literally won’t lift a finger to help. this seems better than finishing them off. can only carry so much ammo and they're useless with shrapnel |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: I like this, thanks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: "Marxism can be summed up in one way: hate the man who is better off than you are.". I like this, thanks. The quote is from Henry Hazlitt, and the article containing this quote is a good read. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: approps have to be used for their specified purpose, within their established time of availability, and not to exceed the enacted amount by the relevant agency/department. Purpose, time, amount. This is a failure of the executive branch to aid Ukraine to decisively win instead of the drip, drip, drip approach Sullivan et al are taking. ETA: if someone wanted to do something not above board… there are ways. However, this is a failing of the NSC and the west wing. I worked in the west wing and for the executive office of the president in addition to working at OSD, OUSD, AF, Navy, etc. Thank you. FJB! |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:15:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Those “true patriots” tend to hate America first and foremost and excuse the despots of the world. Enlightening isn’t it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Prime:
Russia is rotten to the core, they destroy themselves more than any one else This is something that triggers me. Because GD acts like the US is the most corrupt country ever..... at least when it's a Democrat in the WH. But corruption is far far far worse in much of the rest of the world. I mean we need to fight corruption here. But we're still Mt Olympus compared to much of the rest of the world. Those “true patriots” tend to hate America first and foremost and excuse the despots of the world. Enlightening isn’t it? That’s what it is. Anger at what Our country has become. It boils down to Self hatred. They’re so frustrated, disappointed and angry at America’s decline, that they need to find scapegoats wherever they can. When someone tells you to hate those more inspired and courageous than yourself, that suggestion will find fertile ground, if you are profoundly and hopelessly angry with your own inaction. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Call me insane but a modern F-111 with some semi stealth characteristics, delta wings and a pair of F-22 engines for supercruising would be really slick. Using standoff munitions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By AlaskaJohn: F-111s, radar bombing, and Pave Tack. So many memories. Beacon on, confirm offset mode. Call me insane but a modern F-111 with some semi stealth characteristics, delta wings and a pair of F-22 engines for supercruising would be really slick. Using standoff munitions.   |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:21:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Here is a very interesting analysis of some Pentagon actions within the existing budget to fund various ‘buys’ that largely support Ukraine. This activity is called reprogramming where DOD can, with relatively minimal fuss, move money among enacted budget accounts to get shit done. This is only a partial analysis of the reprogramming actions taken in the last month of FY23 (September). It is fairly clear that Ukraine will be getting hundreds of ATACMS shots based on this reprogramming analysis. Click and read. I posted the unrolled thread in the spoiler tags below. https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1708504111149162643 I am in Warsaw and was quite busy the last two weeks with the preparation for and then networking at the Heart of Europe International TV Festival... so I only found the time to work through two #Pentagon Ukraine Realignment papers. So many new weapons for 🇺🇦 Ukraine 😃😃 1/14 https://x.com/noclador/status/1708504113296580796 So let's begin with the coolest stuff - there is a classified Army emergency missile procurement for $187.4m... which it seems isn't GMLRS, as that is under another classified section: $71.3m of GMLRS are being acquired. So: if it isn't GMLRS... what could it be 😉 2/n Unrolled thread here. Click To View Spoiler  
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:24:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: That’s what it is. Anger at what Our country has become. It boils down to Self hatred. They’re so frustrated, disappointed and angry at America’s decline, that they need to find scapegoats wherever they can. When someone tells you to hate those more inspired and courageous than yourself, that suggestion will find fertile ground, if you are profoundly and hopelessly angry with your own inaction. Pretty much. Some are just fucking idiots tho MTG and Matt (Barbie Girl) (Sleazy used car salesman looking) Gaetz come to mind. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:30:39 PM EDT
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Have we done the "Exploding Putin Dildo of Consequences" thing?
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:41:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:41:35 PM EDT
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 Olena Tregub - Democratic Oversight for Defence Spending and Transparency have Never been More Vital |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Have we done the "Exploding Putin Dildo of Consequences" thing?
Putin Putout Putin Putout
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USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:48:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Geez. That #3 guy takes it in the back and is writhing in pain and the other guy strolls by nonchalantly ignoring him not even trying to give aid or pull him into the dugout. Must be damn lonely on the front knowing nobody to your left or right gives a damn if you are wounded or need aid and literally won’t lift a finger to help. I would imagine walking past your CCP and seeing dudes with maggots lets you know where you fit in pretty quick. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:56:54 PM EDT
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Someone needs to help Elon unfuck himself most rikcy tick.
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 1, 2023 |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:09:35 PM EDT
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Videos-
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:11:24 PM EDT
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ISW assessment for October 1st.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-1-2023 |
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USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:12:56 PM EDT
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moar |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:14:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Someone needs to help Elon unfuck himself most rikcy tick. Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 1, 2023 He's been down here dicking around with one of the RINOs on the border. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:26:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Related to the supply to Ukraine for rounds for the M1 Abrams.
Frag pattern in other scenarios:  XM1147 Advanced Multi Purpose AMP Check out the frag pattern of the round in airburst around 1:20 seconds.  M1147 Advanced Multi-Purpose Round (AMP) |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:45:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:51:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:52:35 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:54:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: That is a good and fair summary as far as it goes. But one of the quiet big achievements is the huge daily numbers of artillery being knocked out faster than Russia can replace, along with the quick wearing out of the tubes they do have. This is hugely significant and by the end of this year ought to be almost snowballing in failure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7Ul_pIW0AAjGLY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UmOXdWYAAJGVF?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UmTCRWQAA1FOg?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UoO5mWIAAKqi6?format=jpg&name=large
That is a good and fair summary as far as it goes. But one of the quiet big achievements is the huge daily numbers of artillery being knocked out faster than Russia can replace, along with the quick wearing out of the tubes they do have. This is hugely significant and by the end of this year ought to be almost snowballing in failure. I hope you are right! I have not seen much info on the internet regarding how much artillery they have in reserve. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Related to the supply to Ukraine for rounds for the M1 Abrams. Frag pattern in other scenarios:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61Hrn1JZWQCheck out the frag pattern of the round in airburst around 1:20 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEAYNX_UCjwUnreal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: My understanding is that the Rosgvardiya is not like our national guard but the internal Praetorian guard used to put down resurrections (LOL says hot dog man) and uprisings. This pilot might have some interesting takes to tell. I wouldn't rate Rosgvardia that high. Historically, Soviets/Russians have always had three independent of each other military structures with their own chains of command: the military wing of KGB/FSB, the military wing of the Ministry of Internal Affairs(Rosgvardiya), and conventional military subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. Their mission statement doesn't include warfighting. I think they don't have any fighters, bombers or ground attack planes or helos, and this guy is a glorified bus driver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Russia Missions of the National Guard of Russia include joint[4] operations in securing borders (in assistance to the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation) fighting terrorism, organized crime, and to perform the functions which are currently carried out by riot police units (OMON, SOBR, etc.),[14] as well as prison police units.[3] However the National Guard does not perform field investigation activities.[citation needed] The Federal Service has powers in the sphere of weapons turnover and control of private security activities. The National Guard also is to work to protect public safety and order along with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and guard important state facilities.[14] According to President Vladimir Putin, a major area of responsibility of the National Guard is the overseeing the various kinds of security provisions and the authorization system of the right to possess firearms, the oversight of private security firms and the management of the interior troops proper |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Have we done the "Exploding Putin Dildo of Consequences" thing?
I was going to post that but thought, Nah the UkeBros are much too refined for such ribald humor. Wrong. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: I would imagine walking past your CCP and seeing dudes with maggots lets you know where you fit in pretty quick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Geez. That #3 guy takes it in the back and is writhing in pain and the other guy strolls by nonchalantly ignoring him not even trying to give aid or pull him into the dugout. Must be damn lonely on the front knowing nobody to your left or right gives a damn if you are wounded or need aid and literally won’t lift a finger to help. I would imagine walking past your CCP and seeing dudes with maggots lets you know where you fit in pretty quick.  |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:11:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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A small sampling of Ukraine's incoming tonight.
Currently all clear in Kyiv, Cherkasy, Kirovohrad, Poltava, Chernihiv, Sumy, Mykoliav, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts despite earlier alerts. Kherson shelled with MLRS. Different TG post said "possible false targets".
Definitely sounds like more Shaheds were involved as well. We'll see in the morning. ETA- More sirens, Donetsk and Kharkiv. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Related to the supply to Ukraine for rounds for the M1 Abrams. Frag pattern in other scenarios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61Hrn1JZWQCheck out the frag pattern of the round in airburst around 1:20 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEAYNX_UCjwWow.  Give them a whiff of the grape, eh? |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:18:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coralreefer: I hope you are right! I have not seen much info on the internet regarding how much artillery they have in reserve. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coralreefer: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7Ul_pIW0AAjGLY?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UmOXdWYAAJGVF?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UmTCRWQAA1FOg?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7UoO5mWIAAKqi6?format=jpg&name=large
That is a good and fair summary as far as it goes. But one of the quiet big achievements is the huge daily numbers of artillery being knocked out faster than Russia can replace, along with the quick wearing out of the tubes they do have. This is hugely significant and by the end of this year ought to be almost snowballing in failure. I hope you are right! I have not seen much info on the internet regarding how much artillery they have in reserve. There were some posts here a few days ago that people examining satellite imagery of storage areas are seeing much of the old artillery/SPG have already been canabilized for their tubes. Not much left in storage. And like everyone else, very limited ability to manufacture new tubes. If I was a wealthy warmonger capitalist, I would set up a mega mill/factory to produce the special steel alloys needed for artillery and tank barrels and become the go to source for the West. Stockpile the special metals needed for fast ramp up. Maybe start by buying up shot out barrels Ukrainian farmers have stashed in their barns. 😂 |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:25:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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The artillery of the group of troops "West" in the Kupyansk direction disrupted the rotation of the 32nd mechanized brigade of Ukraine in forward positions in the Stepovaya Novoselovka area in the Kharkov region, the Russian Ministry of Defense told RIA Novosti
https://t.me/rian_ru/216957 
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: There were some posts here a few days ago that people examining satellite imagery of storage areas are seeing much of the old artillery/SPG have already been canabilized for their tubes. Not much left in storage. And like everyone else, very limited ability to manufacture new tubes. A Russian source posted that they were pulling every old arty barrel with more than half its life left and sending them to the front. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:56:12 PM EDT
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It's frustrating that the West hasn't developed a Shahed copy of its own to arm Ukraine with.. there should be 100s of these things launched at Russia in return every night to deplete their interceptors
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:56:36 PM EDT
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— ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) October 1, 2023 |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:58:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:00:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: That guy's eyes.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By RockNwood: NSFW. Video of a few more on the same Russian soldier.
NSFW STILL FROM THE VIDEO Click To View Spoiler That guy's eyes.. Still a nasty video. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:07:51 PM EDT
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How many attempts were there to cross the border from Belarus? @Straz_Graniczna emphasizes that the data published by "Gazeta Wyborcza" about 30,000 are "nonsense". "Cross the border (not try)".
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: I recall, reading years ago, a homeless person had wounds filled with maggots. Docs said the person survived because the maggots ate the dead flesh Still a nasty video. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By RockNwood: NSFW. Video of a few more on the same Russian soldier.
NSFW STILL FROM THE VIDEO Click To View Spoiler That guy's eyes.. Still a nasty video. Yeah, maggots can do a lot of good, but the fact that it's come to that for this guy says that's days of neglect. Guy should've been somewhere else three days ago, or at least had some bandages. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: A Russian source posted that they were pulling every old arty barrel with more than half its life left and sending them to the front. Covert Cabal showed Russian artillery yards in the far east being stripped bare. |
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