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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is why you have to run these outside of the range of helicopters by day, and move them in at night. Large wakes are easily visible by day. I'm not sure by the end of the video that they actually have hit the target. 
Damn. They Suck at that. Too bad Ukraine didn’t put an Auto-SAM surprise on the RCboats. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think their steel ever did meet U.S. spec, even in WWII with their tanks vs. ours. Meanwhile, we literally sold steel spec details to China.   
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Well you got me there... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Karma isn't real, because Ted Kennedy lived a long life. I have to point that out whenever karma is mentioned; carry on. Well you got me there... Well there are seemingly perks to worshiping Satan - you get to postpone karma until your death. Then you get eternal torture. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:34:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: To be fair, the US stayed but buddies with Saudi Arabia despite them being the real braintrust for international jihad through their network of religious indoctrination schools and financial backing to jihadists, even after 9/11. Oil is something no society can do without, and the majority of it is produced by really repugnant countries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Slovakia…another small country suckling on the Russian oil teat. Man, Europe went all in with cheap Russian oil and gas and then blathers about climate change and clean energy. What could possibly go wrong becoming totally dependent on Russia for keeping your factories running and the cash registers on??!! I’m am continually amazed Eastern Europe countries that suffered under Soviet attack and oppression jumped so easily into the lap of the tsar. I’ve seen street interviews asking similar question and the response is “It wasn’t so bad, we had lights and 2-3 meals a day. It could’ve been worse.”
To be fair, the US stayed but buddies with Saudi Arabia despite them being the real braintrust for international jihad through their network of religious indoctrination schools and financial backing to jihadists, even after 9/11. Oil is something no society can do without, and the majority of it is produced by really repugnant countries. Fair point, especially since the US can be energy dependent if we want to. But like Europe we swallowed the Russian narrative for green energy, our oil bad for Mother Earth but Russian or Saudi oil good! Europe had other options within Europe and ME or even US, but chose Russia for being cheaper. I don’t care how cheap something is we should not be buying it from vile barbarians like Russia. Especially if your country already suffered under decades of cruel oppression under them. There is always a choice. Walmart cheap is no excuse when it’s your former rapist. And I wouldn’t mind seeing the ME sealed off and strangled economically back to their natural state of Stone Age.  |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:37:39 PM EDT
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I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return.
Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: That will buy 4.5 155mm rounds per day Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: Originally Posted By Prime: Unrestrained optimism check "Ukrnafta" launched a new well in western Ukraine. They plan to extract up to 30 tons of oil per day "Ukrnafta" announced that it launched a new well in western Ukraine. It is planned that the initial flow of oil will be 25-30 tons per day. This is reported on the company's website. Prior to this, experts conducted stockpile exploration in the Stryan deposits. For this, a shaft with a total length of 1,244 meters was drilled. The work took only 32 days. "During the construction of the object, the project horizon was opened and, with the help of geophysical studies, its prospects in terms of oil production were established ," - said the director of "Ukrnafta" Serhii Koretskyi. According to him, promising layers lie in the depth intervals of 886-1122 meters, and their total oil-saturated thickness is more than 120 meters. Now specialists have perforated the deposits in the interval of 1085-1122 meters, which is about 30% of the total thickness of the oil-saturated layers of the Stryan deposits. Now the well development process is underway What are the current production opportunities at Ukrnafta This is the third well drilled by the company in 2023 within one specific field. By the end of the year, three more wells should be built at the same deposit. In total, the company owns 85 special permits for the extraction (industrial development of deposits) of hydrocarbons. As of the end of 2021, the company operated almost 1.8 thousand oil and 147 gas wells. According to the company, in 2021 Ukrnafta produced about 1.5 million tons of oil and condensate, as well as more than 1.1 billion cubic meters of gas https://hromadske.ua/posts/ukrnafta-zapustila-novu-sverdlovinu-na-zahodi-ukrayini-planuyut-vidobuvati-do-30-tonn-nafti-na-dobu I question your math. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 1:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: I question your math. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By rgkeller: Originally Posted By Prime: Unrestrained optimism check "Ukrnafta" launched a new well in western Ukraine. They plan to extract up to 30 tons of oil per day "Ukrnafta" announced that it launched a new well in western Ukraine. It is planned that the initial flow of oil will be 25-30 tons per day. This is reported on the company's website. Prior to this, experts conducted stockpile exploration in the Stryan deposits. For this, a shaft with a total length of 1,244 meters was drilled. The work took only 32 days. "During the construction of the object, the project horizon was opened and, with the help of geophysical studies, its prospects in terms of oil production were established ," - said the director of "Ukrnafta" Serhii Koretskyi. According to him, promising layers lie in the depth intervals of 886-1122 meters, and their total oil-saturated thickness is more than 120 meters. Now specialists have perforated the deposits in the interval of 1085-1122 meters, which is about 30% of the total thickness of the oil-saturated layers of the Stryan deposits. Now the well development process is underway What are the current production opportunities at Ukrnafta This is the third well drilled by the company in 2023 within one specific field. By the end of the year, three more wells should be built at the same deposit. In total, the company owns 85 special permits for the extraction (industrial development of deposits) of hydrocarbons. As of the end of 2021, the company operated almost 1.8 thousand oil and 147 gas wells. According to the company, in 2021 Ukrnafta produced about 1.5 million tons of oil and condensate, as well as more than 1.1 billion cubic meters of gas https://hromadske.ua/posts/ukrnafta-zapustila-novu-sverdlovinu-na-zahodi-ukrayini-planuyut-vidobuvati-do-30-tonn-nafti-na-dobu I question your math. Producing 30 tons per day is about 200 barrels from the single well. At 80 bucks a barrel that is 16K. I've seen a lot of different numbers bandied about but even assuming 2K per round that is still only 8 rounds. I used the average weight per barrel that I could find online. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:05:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. Great to hear you are feeling much better so quickly. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:10:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Sadly, I've read reports that it wasn't all Russian There was East Germans, Czechs, Poles, and many other Warsaw Pact forces that went to 'Nam and using those SAM systems and maintaining them. Did you forget that all of those "nations" were part of the USSR? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:11:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. [/quote]Use caution please. The anti crowd is baiting hard so don't let yourself get caught up in a coc trap. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. Keep in mind that concussions seem to be cumulative. Glad you're feeling better. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:16:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:20:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: [b]Insight: Inside South Korea's race to become one of the world’s biggest arms dealers https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/inside-south-koreas-race-become-one-worlds-biggest-arms-dealers-2023-05-29/ SEOUL, May 29 (Reuters) - South Korea is using a $13.7 billion arms deal with Poland - Seoul's biggest ever - to lay the groundwork for a military-industrial juggernaut that the two nations' defence companies hope will feed Europe's hunger for weapons far into the future. South Korea's arms sales jumped to more than $17 billion in 2022 from $7.25 billion the year before, according to its defence ministry, as Western countries scrambled to arm Ukraine and tensions rose in other hot spots such as North Korea and the South China Sea. South Korean and Polish officials say their partnership will help them conquer the European arms market even beyond the Ukraine war, with Seoul providing high-quality weapons faster than other countries and Poland offering manufacturing capacity and a sales pipeline into Europe. ... Hanwha Aerospace already had a 55% share of the global howitzer market - a number that will rise to an estimated 68% with the Poland deal, according to research by NH Research & Securities. At a Hanwha Aerospace factory on South Korea's southern coast, six huge automated robots and more than 150 production workers are churning out 47-ton K9s destined for Poland. The self-propelled guns use NATO-standard 155mm ammunition, have computerised fire-control systems, are designed to easily integrate into command and control networks, and offer performance comparable to more expensive Western options. Major powers such as Australia and India operate them. To meet demand, the company expects to add about 50 more workers and more production lines, production manager Cha Yong-su said during a recent tour. The robots handle about 70% of the welding work on a K9 and are key to expanding capacity, he said. They operate an average of eight hours per day but can work around the clock if needed. "Basically, we can meet any amount of order you want," Cha said. South Korea’s offer to provide weapons faster than almost anyone was a key consideration, Polish officials say. The first shipment of 10 K2s and 24 K9s arrived in Poland in December, just months after the deals were signed, and at least five more tanks and 12 additional howitzers have been delivered since. By contrast, Germany, another major arms manufacturer, has yet to deliver any of the 44 new Leopard tanks Hungary ordered in 2018, said Oskar Pietrewicz, senior analyst at the Polish Institute of International Affairs. "Countries' interest in South Korea's offer may only grow considering the limited production capacity of Germany's defence industry, which is a major arms supplier in the region," he said. A close relationship between South Korea's military and its arms industry allows them to rearrange domestic orders to make room for export production and expand production in the country's highly industrialized manufacturing base, officials said. "They put things together in weeks or months that would take us years," a European defence industry executive said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. Constant tensions with North Korea mean the South's military production lines are running and its weapons have been developed, tested, and upgraded in high-pressure situations, said Cho Woorae, global business and strategy vice president at Korea Aerospace Industries. In the past year, South Korea has launched its first home-grown space rocket, saw the maiden flight of its domestically designed KFX fighter, and announced billions of dollars in deals. "For most other countries, that would be an agenda for a decade," one executive at a European defence firm told Reuters, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter. "We’ve underestimated Korea for a long time."[/b] https://thediplomat.com/2023/07/is-south-korea-ready-to-be-a-global-pivotal-arms-exporter/ SK's goal is to be the #4 global weapons exporter by 2027. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
When I say that the South Koreans have come from a top ten military industrial complex to a top 5 or even 3 I wasn't making it on blind assumptions. They've made huge sales recently with Poland, too. [b]Insight: Inside South Korea's race to become one of the world’s biggest arms dealers https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/inside-south-koreas-race-become-one-worlds-biggest-arms-dealers-2023-05-29/ SEOUL, May 29 (Reuters) - South Korea is using a $13.7 billion arms deal with Poland - Seoul's biggest ever - to lay the groundwork for a military-industrial juggernaut that the two nations' defence companies hope will feed Europe's hunger for weapons far into the future. South Korea's arms sales jumped to more than $17 billion in 2022 from $7.25 billion the year before, according to its defence ministry, as Western countries scrambled to arm Ukraine and tensions rose in other hot spots such as North Korea and the South China Sea. South Korean and Polish officials say their partnership will help them conquer the European arms market even beyond the Ukraine war, with Seoul providing high-quality weapons faster than other countries and Poland offering manufacturing capacity and a sales pipeline into Europe. ... Hanwha Aerospace already had a 55% share of the global howitzer market - a number that will rise to an estimated 68% with the Poland deal, according to research by NH Research & Securities. At a Hanwha Aerospace factory on South Korea's southern coast, six huge automated robots and more than 150 production workers are churning out 47-ton K9s destined for Poland. The self-propelled guns use NATO-standard 155mm ammunition, have computerised fire-control systems, are designed to easily integrate into command and control networks, and offer performance comparable to more expensive Western options. Major powers such as Australia and India operate them. To meet demand, the company expects to add about 50 more workers and more production lines, production manager Cha Yong-su said during a recent tour. The robots handle about 70% of the welding work on a K9 and are key to expanding capacity, he said. They operate an average of eight hours per day but can work around the clock if needed. "Basically, we can meet any amount of order you want," Cha said. South Korea’s offer to provide weapons faster than almost anyone was a key consideration, Polish officials say. The first shipment of 10 K2s and 24 K9s arrived in Poland in December, just months after the deals were signed, and at least five more tanks and 12 additional howitzers have been delivered since. By contrast, Germany, another major arms manufacturer, has yet to deliver any of the 44 new Leopard tanks Hungary ordered in 2018, said Oskar Pietrewicz, senior analyst at the Polish Institute of International Affairs. "Countries' interest in South Korea's offer may only grow considering the limited production capacity of Germany's defence industry, which is a major arms supplier in the region," he said. A close relationship between South Korea's military and its arms industry allows them to rearrange domestic orders to make room for export production and expand production in the country's highly industrialized manufacturing base, officials said. "They put things together in weeks or months that would take us years," a European defence industry executive said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. Constant tensions with North Korea mean the South's military production lines are running and its weapons have been developed, tested, and upgraded in high-pressure situations, said Cho Woorae, global business and strategy vice president at Korea Aerospace Industries. In the past year, South Korea has launched its first home-grown space rocket, saw the maiden flight of its domestically designed KFX fighter, and announced billions of dollars in deals. "For most other countries, that would be an agenda for a decade," one executive at a European defence firm told Reuters, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the matter. "We’ve underestimated Korea for a long time."[/b] https://thediplomat.com/2023/07/is-south-korea-ready-to-be-a-global-pivotal-arms-exporter/ SK's goal is to be the #4 global weapons exporter by 2027. That is a very bright light for weapons supply! Great article find. Exciting to see Korea apply modern efficiencies of heavy production to its defense industries without the heavy burden of government entanglement. It seems they are taking the 90% capability approach to deliver capable weapons that may not be the pinnacle feature wise but are very solid contenders and are available soon and in quantity. Hopefully this lights a fire under all western countries to assess the time cost of some of their weapon features. Sure it is nice to have the very best, but even nicer to have almost the best THIS YEAR and three times as many. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:31:39 PM EDT
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The opening was attended by the mother of the fallen hero. The woman is proud of her son, who loved his country to the last and defended it from the invaders  
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Candid assessment of French policy, but really its the whole of Europe and current admin:
Damn that is well frank ! what did they say we do in the face of Russia ... dialogue, always dialogue ... if we had really wanted to do serious things, courageous things shall we say, we could have sent troops BEFORE the war in Ukraine. In 1983, the government of Chad called: help us, we're threatened by Libya. We intervened. In the ensuing days, you had French troops in the middle of Chad, you had squadrons, the Foch aircraft carrier, and we told Libya, you go further, it's war. But here [in Ukraine] we didn't do it, because we're scared to death of Russia, we're always scared to death of escalation with Russia" Boy, doesn’t that describe Biden administration including our intelligence services and military top command? Pants pissing scared of Russia. If Cornpop hadn’t whipped Biden’s ass so ruthlessly back in the day maybe we wouldn’t be in this humiliating position today. Hmmm… |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Look! Those Ukronazis are shelling civilian targets in peaceful Donetsk again! The poor, innocent people of Donetsk just want to live in peace, free from the Nazi regime in Kiev, and look what those Nazis do! Attacking innocent civilians! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Prime: Donetsk Beautiful
Consequences of the shelling of the Voroshilovsky district of Donetsk https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3952-3051032.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3953-3051031.jpg https://t.me/itsdonetsk/119712 Donetsk now, everything is in smoke According to preliminary data, an oil depot is on fire in the Budennovsky district.
#AGS_Summary 17.32 - Air defense is operating in the skies of the DPR again. Be careful. https://t.me/Ags_Donbass/228318 #AGS_Summary 17.34 - Kalininsky, Voroshilovsky, Budennovsky and Proletarsky districts of Donetsk are still at risk. Arrivals are reported again. We are updating the information. https://t.me/Ags_Donbass/228319 Look! Those Ukronazis are shelling civilian targets in peaceful Donetsk again! The poor, innocent people of Donetsk just want to live in peace, free from the Nazi regime in Kiev, and look what those Nazis do! Attacking innocent civilians!  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:52:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think their steel ever did meet U.S. spec, even in WWII with their tanks vs. ours. The USSR had some decent armor steel. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Use caution please. The anti crowd is baiting hard so don't let yourself get caught up in a coc trap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The USSR had some decent armor steel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think their steel ever did meet U.S. spec, even in WWII with their tanks vs. ours. The USSR had some decent armor steel. If you are interested in the details there was a RAND study comparing US vs. Russian steel armor from ww2 on. 150+ pages here. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2006/R1860.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjZzeq1v_uCAxWirYkEHUCwDO4QFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1msKM6OIt7_b932fXQFOX7 |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Will they try another crossing next time, or will they pile up another unit right there? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. Glad you're doing better! |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:27:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The results are within specifications.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5h7BkCj5rIQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By mac130: The amount of holes in those truck canopies is just incredible The results are within specifications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5h7BkCj5rII bet every one of those dudes just collapsed exactly where they were standing. If there’s a spotter view I’d like to see it. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. I've said to myself that we will soon hear the argument from the Pro-Russian side that promoting and facilitating Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression will in fact encourage more Russian aggression against other E. European countries. And low and behold, there is a well known poster in one of the "US troops in Europe" threads that suggests this very thing. We now have people arguing that in order to stop Russian aggression, we (US/Europe) need to get on our knees and give Russia what they want. This is the same argument that a woman resisting being raped is just making things worse for herself. Truly, part of the American (and European) right wing has gone totally insane... |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:34:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Sadly, I've read reports that it wasn't all Russian There was East Germans, Czechs, Poles, and many other Warsaw Pact forces that went to 'Nam and using those SAM systems and maintaining them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
Russia … go home As a kid that grew up during the Vietnam War reading about our Airmen and Aviators shot down by Russian made, supplied and manned missile systems this is very satisfying. FUCK Russia & Russians! I only wish I could hate them more. Sadly, I've read reports that it wasn't all Russian There was East Germans, Czechs, Poles, and many other Warsaw Pact forces that went to 'Nam and using those SAM systems and maintaining them. Why blame the tool for the actions of the hand that wielded it? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:42:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Easterner: I'm feeling much better today. Talked to my team leader and he is anxious for my return. Feeling froggy tonight. Guess I'll get out the boat and wade into the fishing waters of GD. Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. Yeah well they can have their freedom to spew nonsense again soon enough. I already got one "Why aren't you killin' Roosians?" I'm not pushing it. Still feel wonky when I first stand up or lay down. I did some push ups and squats the other day and thought I was going to black out. You lose your fitness level quick when you just lay around. My girl is happy with the new physique, so I need to stay in shape which means moving around. Today was a good day. Hoping the good days keep coming. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: FPV attacks on Russian forces.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAqtBXwXIAAWnD_?format=png&name=small Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
After the destruction by a FPV drone of a Russian TOR-m2 system (US$ 30 mln) in early November, someone asked what was next. He replied S-300/400. Today a S-350 (US$ 135 mln) was destroyed by a FPV drone. Now, he replied "helicopter" to the same question asked by the same user. Interestingly, the S-350 was destroyed yesterday after Ukrainians shot down a Russian SU-24M over the Black Sea A few months ago, an Ukranian FPV drone tried to hit a Russian helicopter without success. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAqtBXwXIAAWnD_?format=png&name=small Did someone read my post?
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Will they try another crossing next time, or will they pile up another unit right there? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Will they try another crossing next time, or will they pile up another unit right there? It's a useless Leopard 2A6 in the area, they will try another day. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:47:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Yeah well they can have their freedom to spew nonsense again soon enough. I already got one "Why aren't you killin' Roosians?" I'm not pushing it. Still feel wonky when I first stand up or lay down. I did some push ups and squats the other day and thought I was going to black out. You lose your fitness level quick when you just lay around. My girl is happy with the new physique, so I need to stay in shape which means moving around. Today was a good day. Hoping the good days keep coming. Sounds great! Wish you all the best. And, of course, if you tell them you are fighting on the front they’ll just call you a blood thirsty warmonger. It’s ironic how closely their talking points mirror the gun grabbers. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:50:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAqKc68aEAA_XUl?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAqjecWagAAfVlx?format=jpg&name=small It might be worth not using that new system on cruise and ballistic missiles. Just keep it quiet until aircraft get too close. Move it around enough they can’t pinpoint its location or exactly what the safe distance is. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I can explain, the Patriot missiles are steered to an aircraft target in such a way that they attempt to hit the cockpit area of the plane, rather than the rear, or center sections. If the Patriot round connects well enough, it will shear the cockpit section off from the rest of the aircraft. The PAC-3 round has some very high resoluton fidelity because of it's role as anti-missile defense, so it's very good at biasing toward a certain part of an aircraft for best effect. You end up with a multi million dollar aircraft that will not make it back for repairs, and there will be a dead pilot that cannot go get another aircraft to fly missions. This site has ads, but some insight on what happened to an F-18 that was shot down by the system. https://web.archive.org/web/20231026023919/https://theaviationgeekclub.com/blue-blue-story-u-s-navy-f-18-shot-u-s-army-pac-3-patriot-missile-battery-oif/amp/ Habitual Linecrosser that Patriot instructor mentions this as well in his funny comments here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eJNw1BN5kcIOlder system, but same idea, watch the target drone getting hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zOUDvbPI1cQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: If it was a Patriot shoot down there is no crew. The Patriot attacks the cockpit. Please explain. CMOS I can explain, the Patriot missiles are steered to an aircraft target in such a way that they attempt to hit the cockpit area of the plane, rather than the rear, or center sections. If the Patriot round connects well enough, it will shear the cockpit section off from the rest of the aircraft. The PAC-3 round has some very high resoluton fidelity because of it's role as anti-missile defense, so it's very good at biasing toward a certain part of an aircraft for best effect. You end up with a multi million dollar aircraft that will not make it back for repairs, and there will be a dead pilot that cannot go get another aircraft to fly missions. This site has ads, but some insight on what happened to an F-18 that was shot down by the system. https://web.archive.org/web/20231026023919/https://theaviationgeekclub.com/blue-blue-story-u-s-navy-f-18-shot-u-s-army-pac-3-patriot-missile-battery-oif/amp/ Habitual Linecrosser that Patriot instructor mentions this as well in his funny comments here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eJNw1BN5kcIOlder system, but same idea, watch the target drone getting hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zOUDvbPI1cOne of the Su-35s shot down months ago was filmed falling in a stalled but stable attitude, both engines running, but everything gone forward of the intakes. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:53:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Fair point, especially since the US can be energy dependent if we want to. But like Europe we swallowed the Russian narrative for green energy, our oil bad for Mother Earth but Russian or Saudi oil good! Europe had other options within Europe and ME or even US, but chose Russia for being cheaper. I don’t care how cheap something is we should not be buying it from vile barbarians like Russia. Especially if your country already suffered under decades of cruel oppression under them. There is always a choice. Walmart cheap is no excuse when it’s your former rapist. And I wouldn’t mind seeing the ME sealed off and strangled economically back to their natural state of Stone Age. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Slovakia…another small country suckling on the Russian oil teat. Man, Europe went all in with cheap Russian oil and gas and then blathers about climate change and clean energy. What could possibly go wrong becoming totally dependent on Russia for keeping your factories running and the cash registers on??!! I’m am continually amazed Eastern Europe countries that suffered under Soviet attack and oppression jumped so easily into the lap of the tsar. I’ve seen street interviews asking similar question and the response is “It wasn’t so bad, we had lights and 2-3 meals a day. It could’ve been worse.”
To be fair, the US stayed but buddies with Saudi Arabia despite them being the real braintrust for international jihad through their network of religious indoctrination schools and financial backing to jihadists, even after 9/11. Oil is something no society can do without, and the majority of it is produced by really repugnant countries. Fair point, especially since the US can be energy dependent if we want to. But like Europe we swallowed the Russian narrative for green energy, our oil bad for Mother Earth but Russian or Saudi oil good! Europe had other options within Europe and ME or even US, but chose Russia for being cheaper. I don’t care how cheap something is we should not be buying it from vile barbarians like Russia. Especially if your country already suffered under decades of cruel oppression under them. There is always a choice. Walmart cheap is no excuse when it’s your former rapist. And I wouldn’t mind seeing the ME sealed off and strangled economically back to their natural state of Stone Age. Let's not forget China when we list nations we shouldn't be buying from. We can't totally eliminate them initially, but we can wean ourselves off of them. I will only buy Chinese if there is no other option available at all, or in a dire emergency where getting another product means weeks to months, and it's needed that day or the next. I've been doing fairly well with that over the past ten years. Less and less from China. I've bought three things made in China of any value in the last five years, and those Chinese products were bought used. Two cell phones and a laptop. The phones , I didn't spend money on. The phone company gave them to me for free because when they switched to 5G my old phones weren't compatible. The laptop I bought from a female friend used. It can be done. It takes time to get new sources for things that are made there that are hard to find American or allied made replacements, but in the course of six months, you can almost be China free. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:57:04 PM EDT
[#36]
 MT-LB with S-60 57 mm Anti Aircraft Gun and cope cage. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:59:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brokenhorsey: You needed this system in 2021, not 2023. How did this happen Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brokenhorsey: You needed this system in 2021, not 2023. How did this happen They couldn’t see into the future? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:00:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Letter to Mrs. Strelkov “On Friday evening (according to tradition) I received letters and reports from you. Sorry for answering in pencil - I haven’t been able to get either warm boots or 2 ballpoint pens from the warehouse for over a week now. I use too much ink to write and all my other pens have run out (and even the ones I borrowed from the investigator and the lawyer have run out)… ... For now I say goodbye, (pencil ends), kiss. 24.11.23." Today it is -15 degrees outside, Igor goes for a walk every day in autumn clothes according to the schedule. Two months ago, he wrote an application for warm clothes, but the pre-trial detention center employees are in no hurry to respond, although they are obliged to do this within a reasonable time. It is unknown when they will be issued. https://t.me/i_strelkov_2023/558 There’s some irony in Girkin getting the business end of the system he promotes. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:03:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is why you have to run these outside of the range of helicopters by day, and move them in at night. Large wakes are easily visible by day. I'm not sure by the end of the video that they actually have hit the target.
They didn’t hit shit! |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:11:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Holy cannoli Avdiyiv direction, Stepove village district, Donetsk region The FPV drone of the 47th brigade hits the TM-62, which was spotted by the operator on board the Russian BTR-82A
Was from 1-2 weeks ago. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:15:31 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: I'm largely ignorant about the sizes of combat groups but wouldn't these numbers be like the equivalent of a really big combat group being wiped out of existence? Just schwacking that may logistics vehicles is a lot of convoys of food, fuel, ammo, troops, etc. being taken off the board. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By RockNwood: BIG NUMBERS ALL AROUND !!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_5088-3050913.jpg I'm largely ignorant about the sizes of combat groups but wouldn't these numbers be like the equivalent of a really big combat group being wiped out of existence? Just schwacking that may logistics vehicles is a lot of convoys of food, fuel, ammo, troops, etc. being taken off the board. They’re losing about a BTG a day. If they use BTGs anymore. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:28:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lycurgus: I've said to myself that we will soon hear the argument from the Pro-Russian side that promoting and facilitating Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression will in fact encourage more Russian aggression against other E. European countries. And low and behold, there is a well known poster in one of the "US troops in Europe" threads that suggests this very thing. We now have people arguing that in order to stop Russian aggression, we (US/Europe) need to get on our knees and give Russia what they want. This is the same argument that a woman resisting being raped is just making things worse for herself. Truly, part of the American (and European) right wing has gone totally insane... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lycurgus: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. I've said to myself that we will soon hear the argument from the Pro-Russian side that promoting and facilitating Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression will in fact encourage more Russian aggression against other E. European countries. And low and behold, there is a well known poster in one of the "US troops in Europe" threads that suggests this very thing. We now have people arguing that in order to stop Russian aggression, we (US/Europe) need to get on our knees and give Russia what they want. This is the same argument that a woman resisting being raped is just making things worse for herself. Truly, part of the American (and European) right wing has gone totally insane... Disgusting to think there's people that call themselves Republican (at least I assume they do) with this mindset. I was just posting in another thread that after this election, if the primary goes poorly, I may be changing my registration from Republican to Independent (we only have 3 options in Ohio). I've been a registered Republican since I turned 18 but the party has done nothing but become more of an unserious disappointment. I won't continue to associate with it. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:33:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAmYfycW0AAvpHZ?format=jpg&name=large
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:38:59 PM EDT
[#44]
 Vyacheslav Kovalskyi, 58 The new record holder. 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:39:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Awesome explanation, "does really Old Testament things to cruise missiles." should be sig line material. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By CMOS: Please explain. CMOS When the initial PATRIOT version was fielded, it was primarily designed for Air-Breathing Threats (with some capability against MRBMs). To greatly simplify things, since Air Breathers were the primary initial target set, the explosion was optimized to focus on the main body of the target, since on a jet that is where the engines, wing structure, fuel, and a large amount of other good 'splodey stuff is located. Gulf War I, with the target set changed to primarily Ballistic Missiles, taught us that even if you blow up the airframe of a missile, the payload often survived. That means that, say PATRIOT is defending an area target (such as an airbase, city, industrial area, seaport, etc), there was a good chance that the payload was still going to land and go Boom! somewhere where it was going to cause damage. Therefore, PAC II was optimized to destroy the forward portion of a target, where the payload is located on a missile. This had the unintended (but very welcome) consequence of making PAC II even MORE effective against air breathing threats, as shredding the cockpit to the point of structural collapse and converting the crew into diced long pork tends to stop the aircraft from flying RFN. Therefore, when PAC III, which is a "Kinetic" (hit-to-kill) round came along, PAC II was retained as well and was upgraded, since transonic/supersonic cruise missiles were becoming a thing, as besides PAC-2's sterling capability to convert the front third of most existing aircraft into falling debris, it also does really "Old Testament" things to cruise missiles. Therefore, the OP was stating that there was a high likelihood that you would need a state-of-the-art forensics lab to identify what ever was left of the crew once the missile went off.  Awesome explanation, "does really Old Testament things to cruise missiles." should be sig line material. Thanks!
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:49:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/B0QQPY4.jpg Vyacheslav Kovalskyi, 58 The new record holder. Nice |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:53:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote History YOU'VE BEEN TUNGSDENSTRUCK!!!
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:55:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lycurgus: I've said to myself that we will soon hear the argument from the Pro-Russian side that promoting and facilitating Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression will in fact encourage more Russian aggression against other E. European countries. And low and behold, there is a well known poster in one of the "US troops in Europe" threads that suggests this very thing. We now have people arguing that in order to stop Russian aggression, we (US/Europe) need to get on our knees and give Russia what they want. This is the same argument that a woman resisting being raped is just making things worse for herself. Truly, part of the American (and European) right wing has gone totally insane... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lycurgus: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ditto what Ben said. The shills and haters are out and proud the last couple days in particular. And they really are haters in the literal sense of the word. I don't get it. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that you're feeling better. Don't push it too hard, but get better. I've said to myself that we will soon hear the argument from the Pro-Russian side that promoting and facilitating Ukrainian resistance against Russian aggression will in fact encourage more Russian aggression against other E. European countries. And low and behold, there is a well known poster in one of the "US troops in Europe" threads that suggests this very thing. We now have people arguing that in order to stop Russian aggression, we (US/Europe) need to get on our knees and give Russia what they want. This is the same argument that a woman resisting being raped is just making things worse for herself. Truly, part of the American (and European) right wing has gone totally insane... It is not just the Right. Absent objective standards, folks from all over the political spectrum have lost their minds. A few years ago, could we have predicted that the female heads of our Ivy-league schools would be excusing rape and the left would be ready to load liberal Jews in boxcars while using rhetoric that would make the average Obersturmbannführer seem rational in comparison? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 5:00:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Overall that was kinda disturbing. But I did see a couple of cuties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Russia upholding family values no one else dares to: VIDEO!
I’m surprised they didn’t have a big screen playing videos of trench spanking and stick beatings in the background for suitable ambience. Overall that was kinda disturbing. But I did see a couple of cuties. It takes a distinct form of sadistic perversion to think of doing this, much less implementing it. And it takes a biblical amount of resignation about the futility of ones life and future, or absolute fanaticism, to go along with it. I'm not sure which is worse. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 5:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: It's a useless Leopard 2A6 in the area, they will try another day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Will they try another crossing next time, or will they pile up another unit right there? It's a useless Leopard 2A6 in the area, they will try another day. That Leopard was eating the Russian armor for breakfast! |
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