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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:18:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/landing-page-double-take-354.gif As I posted in the OTHER thread; Ukraine is a fairly modern second world economy -- back in 2008 they made 424,000 automotive vehicles a year; along with manufacturing a good portion of fairly high level end user items (tanks, heavy cargo aircraft, etc). That infrastructure (and the workers) hasn't evaporated completely. A year ago, Ukrainian produced 152mm OF-25T shells began showing up at the front; with labelling (THT) showing they were filled with TNT instead of IMX or Russian aluminized explosives. Sources of TNT might be: A.) ПАТ ПВП Кривбасвибухпром (PJSC "PVP "Kryvbasvybuhprom") which makes industrial explosives -- it's been two years, they may have converted to producing military expolosives on a moderate scale. B.) Research and Production Enterprise "ZARYA" LTD. How do I know this? Because the US Army issued a contract in 2020 to buy TNT from them :D https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-us-army-301191310.html I'm gonna stop you right there. What is safer, kitbashing your own improvised explosive device... ...or using an already exhaustively tested munition like a single 30x29mm grenade round or an 82mm mortar round and dropping it from a drone? Remember, in WWII the USAAF wanted to build an exact copy of the V-1; only for US Army Ordnance to step in and say "NO" forcing a total redesign of the warhead to US Army Ordnnce Safety Standards... Let another program do the hard work of designing and qualifying the explosive warhead for you. Odd, it's the Russians who are failing at EW mitigation. Turns out the Volnorez anti FPV drone EW jammers on Russian AFVs can only really jam a narrow 30-40 MHz band or so; meaning if you want to cover a wide spectrum, you have to stick tons of different Volnorezs onto a tank. This is also affecting combat units directly, because Ukranian FPV drones have shifted to using different frequencies several times already; rendering the already deployed Russian tank EW jammers...useless as they're too behind the times. Plus, the Volnorez EW jammers themselves are badly built; Russian Telegram is full of complaining about how poorly designed and built they are. Have BGM-109 TLAM being manufactured then. https://i.imgur.com/cBmAQH1.jpeg The absolute loons machined every single section of the Generation 1 TLAM airframe from a solid block/forging of aluminum like it was one giant AR15 receiver. Excellent post!! I have been reading that Ukraine was the industrial base for the USSR and even made many of the Russian ships now in service (which they are having trouble keeping running, lacking key parts that were made in....Ukraine.) Also, I need to buy some more ammo from Global Ordinance. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Lolwut? Making your own with HE is ABSOLUTELY safer than modifying setback or centrifugally armed fuzes to function well outside of the parameters they were designed for. Or do you think that VOG grenade just detonates on its own from falling at a very moderate speed? Implementing safe to arm mechanisms is kind of a big deal and you have very few options once you start stripping out lockballs from fuzes that are less than 2" wide. Everything about that process is sketchy as fuck, from the actual modification of the fuze to execution, to the odds of success. You dont modify fuzes because you want to. You do it because you have to. Even ISIS found this out and eventually stopped doing it. If you want to step into the world of improvised explosive devices then by all means, but understand that has been literally my primary career focus for 20 years and it's clear that you have absolutely no idea what you are taking about. But the "improvised" ordinance in use by Ukraine (and Russia) have been engineered and tested over many decades. They are simply delivering them in a modified way. It's the same and very effective RPG-7 warhead but being delivered on a drone. Why reinvent the wheel? And those screwy crooked-wire detonators seem to work great although loading and arming the ordinance would demand decaf coffee for me. I'm sure if the USA was being invaded OSHA would shut down drone production as being unsafe but lets not export our idiocy to Ukraine since they have enough bureaucratic corruption already. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:28:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGngxL5WwAAHiRh?format=png&name=small Even Gimli and Legolas have joined the fight!!! |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:31:59 AM EDT
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The 73rd Naval Special Operations Center corrects a HIMARS that destroys a drone launcher in Staraya Mayachka, Kherson Oblast.
Location: Stara Maiachka, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine 46.505273, 33.183184 @GeoConfirmed @UAControlMap Source: https://t.me/ukr_sof/948
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:36:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Yeah we were reading the Instagram posts the day prior. Lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By Easterner: Watching this now myself. We have been waiting for this video interview that has a couple of our guys visiting Garandthumb.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tge7YMi4gJsYeah we were reading the Instagram posts the day prior. Lol I made time to watch it last night, great stuff, I was glad to hear Russian artillery frag was consistently so bad, that probably saved countless lives. Conversely, they all said if a 155mm hit, they would all be dead in the same area.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:39:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol.
lol, thanks for that, I was wondering how complete the info might be, seems pretty complete for the factory involved then. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
🔴🔴🔴 Mariupol. Not just loud, but fire! It is reported that a burning plane has fallen in the area of the village. Fishing In addition, the city continues to hear explosions. What a fun Monday. Rusnia, did you eat? https://t.me/andriyshTime/18388
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHbWYAAS0vg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHdWAAAlK3v?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHcWIAAXRo7?format=jpg&name=large https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1759485792370499791 Vehicle traffic on the Crimean Bridge is temporarily blocked. Those on the bridge and in the inspection area are asked to remain calm and follow the instructions of transport security officers. https://t.me/most_official/4554 Reports on the work of air defense in Donetsk and Makeevka https://t.me/itsdonetsk/137028 Possibly this, although it seemed REALLY quick- Mariupol ... Komsomol members shot down a British-made Banshee Jet-80 UAV ... https://t.me/supernova_plus/28419 Video
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGry89bWwAAUY5V?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGry891WQAAvUJw?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGr4gNaWMAAR5Lx?format=jpg&name=small Kremenivka of the Mariupol district. 20 minutes ago - the work of enemy air defense. Hey, you guys in Mariupol, Taganrog and Rostov don't relax yet. We have not yet asked all the questions about bread. https://t.me/andriyshTime/18413 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
🔴🔴🔴 Mariupol. Not just loud, but fire! It is reported that a burning plane has fallen in the area of the village. Fishing In addition, the city continues to hear explosions. What a fun Monday. Rusnia, did you eat? https://t.me/andriyshTime/18388
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHbWYAAS0vg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHdWAAAlK3v?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGrzAHcWIAAXRo7?format=jpg&name=large https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1759485792370499791 Vehicle traffic on the Crimean Bridge is temporarily blocked. Those on the bridge and in the inspection area are asked to remain calm and follow the instructions of transport security officers. https://t.me/most_official/4554 Reports on the work of air defense in Donetsk and Makeevka https://t.me/itsdonetsk/137028 Possibly this, although it seemed REALLY quick- Mariupol ... Komsomol members shot down a British-made Banshee Jet-80 UAV ... https://t.me/supernova_plus/28419 Video
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGry89bWwAAUY5V?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGry891WQAAvUJw?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGr4gNaWMAAR5Lx?format=jpg&name=small Kremenivka of the Mariupol district. 20 minutes ago - the work of enemy air defense. Hey, you guys in Mariupol, Taganrog and Rostov don't relax yet. We have not yet asked all the questions about bread. https://t.me/andriyshTime/18413 Huh. This may or may not be the same incident, but I'm a little skeptical.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGsMq3hWIAAFV_m?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGsMxCzWEAAW3Sx?format=jpg&name=small 02/19/2024 Rybatskoe village, Mariupol district, Donetsk People's Republic, Russia. On the Su-34 - again and again - p#dezh. Regarding the Su-35, there is no good news. And again the question is open - who shot down... /by the way, the A-50 and Su-35 were also written off as Patriots. This is the case when some top leaders, in order to cover their own ass, are even ready to wave at the enemy. And the essence of the problem is the lack of normal communications among our air defense forces. https://t.me/romanov_92/44339 And again the question of connection is raised, and again in connection with a very bitter experience. Friendly fire is precisely a consequence of the lack of high-quality communication, although Sun Tzu wrote about the importance of communication a couple of thousand years ago. And a detailed description of our communications project, which has already been implemented and has proven itself in large departments, is gathering dust somewhere on the desk of some general in the Main Communications Directorate. This is what causes sadness most of all. Although for the cost of the Su-35 it would be possible to implement the project on the entire front and even do more, including creating reserves. https://t.me/Alekhin_Telega/9459 Now that is interesting, I wonder if this might be part of the recent pledge of 3 European countries where they are sending a lot of drones for Ukraine to use. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:54:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: https://t.me/AFUStratCom/22675 ⚔️ Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces: This morning, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed two Russian planes that were attacking the positions of our troops with guided air bombs. One Su-34 fighter-bomber and one Su-35S fighter. Thanks for the work! @osirskiy @AFUStratCom StratCom of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in social networks👇 Facebook | Youtube | _ I nstagram X🇺🇦 | X 🇬🇧 | W hatsApp | Cast _ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20240219_044802_081_jpg-3134116.JPG PAC-2 GEM putting in overtime.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:00:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:16:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PMB1086:
There are two options, one is the older rounds that have less cluster munitions than the version we saw used at the Russian helicopter staging area months ago. That is the M39A1 Block 1 with 300 M74 bomblets. The other is a unitary warhead that is about 500 lbs from the Harpoon anti ship missile. These are GPS guided, the units that Ukraine used before were inertial guided, but came with 900 bomblets. Also of interest is that you could pick any airfield, or helicopter field over the entire Crimean peninsula to hit with these. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:19:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Excellent post!! I have been reading that Ukraine was the industrial base for the USSR and even made many of the Russian ships now in service (which they are having trouble keeping running, lacking key parts that were made in....Ukraine.) Also, I need to buy some more ammo from Global Ordinance. Unfortunately, much of the industrial capacity of Ukraine is located in areas either occupied by Russia or close to the front. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:23:25 AM EDT
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Remember to look at the scale of the maps, these are tiny battles.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:34:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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 This allows you to not only keep using the unit if you can recharge it, but you can also just use the thermal imager of the unit for spotting and identifying targets. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:37:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:38:47 AM EDT
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For reference.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:40:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:41:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:46:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:49:20 AM EDT
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Correct, a multi layered air defense umbrella to keep the F-16's doing their operations is going to be essential.
According to him, "the infrastructure must be protected by air defense, against ballistics, cruise missiles and drones." , says Ignat Ignatov, spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 10:58:06 AM EDT
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1420 video asking if Russia will bring freedom, democracy, and kindness to conquered territory. Some 'good
 Will we bring freedom of speech, democracy and kindness to Ukraine? |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Correct, a multi layered air defense umbrella to keep the F-16's doing their operations is going to be essential.
Air defense is fine, but I would like to see any significant repair facilities be in Poland, just the same. What's the river called that separates Poland and Ukraine? The Yalu? |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:15:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Even Gimli and Legolas have joined the fight!!! 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:16:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Air defense is fine, but I would like to see any significant repair facilities be in Poland, just the same. What's the river called that separates Poland and Ukraine? The Yalu? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Correct, a multi layered air defense umbrella to keep the F-16's doing their operations is going to be essential.
Air defense is fine, but I would like to see any significant repair facilities be in Poland, just the same. What's the river called that separates Poland and Ukraine? The Yalu? I am sure we aren't seeing the entire picture here. It would certainly make sense to have the F-16 spares available in Poland, as well as some maintenance facilities. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:18:23 AM EDT
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Ugh, NSFW.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:20:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:32:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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This was expectable. Should have stayed in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:34:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: And it doesn’t take an SME to observe that certain posters work very hard to find excuses not to aid Ukraine without contributing any ideas or knowledge of how to do something to counter Russia. Which is exactly what we see in our political and military leadership: paralysis by analysis combined with obsession of fears over escalation or some war in the future that may or may not happen. Valid. I think people should view any individual post for nuggets of useful information, understanding that most posts are going to be mere anecdotes, and any individual post will be insufficient to form any conclusion about anything. What makes this thread so valuable is that we get so many nuggets from so many places that we can develop informed understandings in general. That's why I don't like to see posts that don't contain any nuggets, but are purely about other posters, or the drive-by trolls that come so frequently to bash Ukraine and/or pump up Putin. But it's not my thread, it's a community.  |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:42:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:44:24 AM EDT
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   The Orcs started to mount ATGMs on BTR-82As. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:45:35 AM EDT
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Toward the upper center, Russian pilot radio beacon located. The other pilot went down over water as posted earlier.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Maybe they could bring back Schräge Musik? The concept might work on drones too, maybe with a couple of 12 GA shotgun shells. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:55:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 12:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/VbbHDJB.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/qeF5Olq.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/yb0faH9.png The Orcs started to mount ATGMs on BTR-82As. And some poor schlub still has to sit on top to aim it...for now. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 12:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_5827-3134105.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_5827-3134105.jpg Context: Russia has maintained mining operations on the islands for decades, as did other countries. Russia is a signatory to the Svalbard Treaty of 1920. There is still a Russian community in the islands, roughly 400 of the 2800 or so permanent residents. Link to current news article. "Today our soldiers are sacrificing blood for the sovereignty of our country, and for people's right to speak Russian. I believe that our work in government in this area (about Svalbard, ed. note) should be treated in the same way - as a fight for our sovereignty. A fight for Russia and our rights." “I believe that everyone present understands well that now is not the best time for development of international cooperation. Probably, humankind is entering a phase of deepened conflict.” In practice, this appears to mean that Russia cannot be bound by treaty agreements or restrictions. Russia had treaties with Ukraine; they violated them all. Russia supposedly endorses the UN Charter, but violated it with Ukraine. Russia is a party to the Svalbard Treaty which explicitly gives Norway the right to say who does what there, but apparently Russia is dissatisfied with that restriction as well. The bottom line is that Russia is not a reliable international partner. This necessarily results in conflicts, and in the long run will diminish Russia. They think throwing off the chains of agreed-upon limits is something they must do to make them greater. Free and reliable commerce, however, is a better path to greater prosperity, success, and stability. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 12:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGtEoe2acAATdQr?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGtEoe3aYAAsnWu?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGtEoe0bAAAXnFc?format=jpg&name=large Standard range is about 15km - gotta be pretty close to the front for D30s. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 12:56:00 PM EDT
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AZOV Snipers:
Video from Ukrainian Militant: Drone Strike on Russian APC: Battles Ongoing: |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Valid. I think people should view any individual post for nuggets of useful information, understanding that most posts are going to be mere anecdotes, and any individual post will be insufficient to form any conclusion about anything. What makes this thread so valuable is that we get so many nuggets from so many places that we can develop informed understandings in general. That's why I don't like to see posts that don't contain any nuggets, but are purely about other posters, or the drive-by trolls that come so frequently to bash Ukraine and/or pump up Putin. But it's not my thread, it's a community. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By RockNwood: And it doesn’t take an SME to observe that certain posters work very hard to find excuses not to aid Ukraine without contributing any ideas or knowledge of how to do something to counter Russia. Which is exactly what we see in our political and military leadership: paralysis by analysis combined with obsession of fears over escalation or some war in the future that may or may not happen. Valid. I think people should view any individual post for nuggets of useful information, understanding that most posts are going to be mere anecdotes, and any individual post will be insufficient to form any conclusion about anything. What makes this thread so valuable is that we get so many nuggets from so many places that we can develop informed understandings in general. That's why I don't like to see posts that don't contain any nuggets, but are purely about other posters, or the drive-by trolls that come so frequently to bash Ukraine and/or pump up Putin. But it's not my thread, it's a community. 💯 |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: This was expectable. Should have stayed in Ukraine. This with Skripal and all the others, it's part of a pattern of Russia sending assassins to free nations to carry out public murders. It's an ongoing campaign of Russia applying state repression and aggression on foreign soil. It's long past time for the free nations to scale back on visas for Russians, apply a much higher level of scrutiny on Russian travelers, and create much higher barriers to Russians. Russia has been carrying out these extrajudicial killings with complete impunity for years. The murderers should be apprehended and punished appropriately, but even apart from that, the Russian nation needs to face consequences that will address the problem. No visas without full background checks. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:05:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: I don't get that post either. This thread shows that the war is a meat grinder with essentially stagnant lines. Hopefully Ukraine eventually can get what they need to throw the Orcs out, but we are a long ways from there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By sywagon: Wait, I thought UA had no drones and RU had all the EW. How is this possible? This is why this thread is always so far off from reality. While I certainly appreciate your perspective and input, that’s an ugly thing to say. I don't get that post either. This thread shows that the war is a meat grinder with essentially stagnant lines. Hopefully Ukraine eventually can get what they need to throw the Orcs out, but we are a long ways from there. Because that poster has a history of coming in to a thread or discussion very heavy-handedly, bitch-slapping anyone & everyone, throwing around just enough info to sound like a SME, then ends each posting with a condescending comment. Notice the trend of accusing other posters of over-reliance on “social media” instead of hard factual sites, yet loves to bandy about how he is deeply involved with such things and has containers of so-and-so “out back right now” so therefore us proles can’t have any idea of what we are talking about. He offers just enough citable sources and acronyms to sound credible then proceeds to try to burn the entire thread down. All the while never offering any credible solutions nor alternatives, his only goal is to disorient and demoralize other posters. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Valid. I think people should view any individual post for nuggets of useful information, understanding that most posts are going to be mere anecdotes, and any individual post will be insufficient to form any conclusion about anything. What makes this thread so valuable is that we get so many nuggets from so many places that we can develop informed understandings in general. That's why I don't like to see posts that don't contain any nuggets, but are purely about other posters, or the drive-by trolls that come so frequently to bash Ukraine and/or pump up Putin. But it's not my thread, it's a community. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By RockNwood: And it doesn’t take an SME to observe that certain posters work very hard to find excuses not to aid Ukraine without contributing any ideas or knowledge of how to do something to counter Russia. Which is exactly what we see in our political and military leadership: paralysis by analysis combined with obsession of fears over escalation or some war in the future that may or may not happen. Valid. I think people should view any individual post for nuggets of useful information, understanding that most posts are going to be mere anecdotes, and any individual post will be insufficient to form any conclusion about anything. What makes this thread so valuable is that we get so many nuggets from so many places that we can develop informed understandings in general. That's why I don't like to see posts that don't contain any nuggets, but are purely about other posters, or the drive-by trolls that come so frequently to bash Ukraine and/or pump up Putin. But it's not my thread, it's a community. To be fair to Daemon, IF I was still working in the job I had a decade or so ago, I too would be firing the red star cluster! It is hard to comprehend how bad off we are in munitions war stocks, storage, procurement, production capabilities, the MIC in general, the current state of the services in training, manpower, and readiness, and so forth. However, my take is that we are in a "damned if you do/damned if you don't" scenario regarding Russia and our future conflict with China. Daemon rightfully believes that we do not have enough munitions and productive capabilities to fight a "long war" with China; and he is currently probably correct. Conversely, my take is that we do not have the same to fight a "two-front" or "three front" scenario when (not "if") China gets froggy, if his assessment is correct then so is mine, and I see this as a golden opportunity to turn a knight into a pawn in that conflict, or more optimistically take Russia off the chessboard long enough to get our feces somewhat coagulated and maybe deter China for a few years and potentially deter other regional players like Iran and Venezuela from jumping in with China down the road. This is a high-stakes game and even though I am totally convinced that my recommended course is the best one I certainly don't condemn others that formed a reasoned opinion different than mine based on similar information.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:17:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: silverstate55]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: To be fair to Daemon, IF I was still working in the job I had a decade or so ago, I too would be firing the red star cluster! It is hard to comprehend how bad off we are in munitions war stocks, storage, procurement, production capabilities, the MIC in general, the current state of the services in training, manpower, and readiness, and so forth. However, my take is that we are in a "damned if you do/damned if you don't" scenario regarding Russia and our future conflict with China. Daemon rightfully believes that we do not have enough munitions and productive capabilities to fight a "long war" with China; and he is currently probably correct. Conversely, my take is that we do not have the same to fight a "two-front" or "three front" scenario when (not "if") China gets froggy, if his assessment is correct then so is mine, and I see this as a golden opportunity to turn a knight into a pawn in that conflict, or more optimistically take Russia off the chessboard long enough to get our feces somewhat coagulated and maybe deter China for a few years and potentially deter other regional players like Iran and Venezuela from jumping in with China down the road. This is a high-stakes game and even though I am totally convinced that my recommended course is the best one I certainly don't condemn others that formed a reasoned opinion different than mine based on similar information. As always, your points are Spot-On sir! We have a rare opportunity to provide weapons, ammo, training, in order to knock out a long-time foe & world destabilizer….with no US troops involved in the fighting! Haven’t we been seeing postings & announcements recently from US firms about increasing our production of weapons systems & ammo? |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:20:39 PM EDT
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I’m surprised Putin didn’t have VPNs outlawed long ago. It should open some eyes that Russia is not part of the civilized world. The facade is off and the truth of being a police state emerges. Follows naturally after banning all free press reporters.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Egypt is going through some challenges but seems to stay out of the radical Islam (Muslim Brotherhood) knee jerk reactions and aggression. Now pointedly moving further away from Russia. The ME could really use a stable pivot point.
opting for products from Ukraine and Romania, said the head of the Russian Grain Union Arkady Zlochevsky. “Our bids were for $245, but bids for $238 won. But in fact, now this is influenced by the minimum sales prices that are set by officials. This hinders sales and creates additional risks,” he said. Russia thus lost its largest grain buyer, the expert emphasized. Further down in that same tweet another topic, Russian heinous kidnapping of children: 👉 Russia handed over 11 children to Ukraine , Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova said Today there are 11 children - this is the largest group, each with their own story... There are two children with disabilities. I would like to express my deep gratitude to the Qatar Embassy for organizing the process,” said Lvova-Belova. As of June 19, more than 300,000 children from Ukraine were taken to Russia. Just 299, 989 children to return then.. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By silverstate55: Because that poster has a history of coming in to a thread or discussion very heavy-handedly, bitch-slapping anyone & everyone, throwing around just enough info to sound like a SME, then ends each posting with a condescending comment. Notice the trend of accusing other posters of over-reliance on “social media” instead of hard factual sites, yet loves to bandy about how he is deeply involved with such things and has containers of so-and-so “out back right now” so therefore us proles can’t have any idea of what we are talking about. He offers just enough citable sources and acronyms to sound credible then proceeds to try to burn the entire thread down. All the while never offering any credible solutions nor alternatives, his only goal is to disorient and demoralize other posters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By silverstate55: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By sywagon: Wait, I thought UA had no drones and RU had all the EW. How is this possible? This is why this thread is always so far off from reality. While I certainly appreciate your perspective and input, that’s an ugly thing to say. I don't get that post either. This thread shows that the war is a meat grinder with essentially stagnant lines. Hopefully Ukraine eventually can get what they need to throw the Orcs out, but we are a long ways from there. Because that poster has a history of coming in to a thread or discussion very heavy-handedly, bitch-slapping anyone & everyone, throwing around just enough info to sound like a SME, then ends each posting with a condescending comment. Notice the trend of accusing other posters of over-reliance on “social media” instead of hard factual sites, yet loves to bandy about how he is deeply involved with such things and has containers of so-and-so “out back right now” so therefore us proles can’t have any idea of what we are talking about. He offers just enough citable sources and acronyms to sound credible then proceeds to try to burn the entire thread down. All the while never offering any credible solutions nor alternatives, his only goal is to disorient and demoralize other posters. That avatar lol. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:43:05 PM EDT
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I am assuming this was during the defense in Avdiivka, but not stated where. Just highlighting one of countless face to face struggles that are part of this war for every inch of Ukraine.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:43:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Basically backfill these guys with newer production ATACMS, while having some of them send the older rounds they have to Ukraine.
However, Ukrainian forces last time ended up with supposedly extinct cluster ATACMS dated 1997, so we have stuff that is older that could go.
 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:57:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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This is a good sign of the spirit to fight in Ukraine. Citizens protesting for spending less on civil operations and projects and more on the military.
Obviously the percentage is a personal, anecdotal number but the protest itself is remarkable. And the fact there is a special military tax yet citizens regularly donate more voluntarily. Now do the US citizens were protesting in front of City Hall demanding that all unnecessary spending cease and those funds be sent directly to the military. [Deleted] The average Ukrainian salary here in Lviv stands around $500, so when people are donating half of that to support the military and pieces of shit in Congress like @SpeakerJohnson and Russia's bitch @mtgreeneee say Ukraine needs to pull its own weight realize that Ukrainians are doing that and more. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 2:06:53 PM EDT
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Just a reminder what a leader does when confronted by the obstinate evil of Russia…
 We need this attitude from Western leaders, not pants pissing bed wetting fear and appeasement. That is all. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 2:13:33 PM EDT
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 they do not mince words because it comes of a streak of eliminated Russian planes in this week and before. It is obvious that a certain weapon systems is hunting Russian planes in the entire area of Southern Ukraine, respectively the Sea of Azov. From the comments…  |
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