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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: We could do a 100:1 replacement for the original 31 donated. And imagine the skill of the crew that had their tank destroyed but they survived and were in a new tank days later... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Assuming the US has tons and tons of Abrams that can be re-furbished or brought out of storage, it would be hilarious if the US publicly stated that for each Abrams destroyed/captured by the Russians, five more will be given to Ukraine. We could do a 100:1 replacement for the original 31 donated. And imagine the skill of the crew that had their tank destroyed but they survived and were in a new tank days later... After concussion protocol, I'm sure. |
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Originally Posted By swede1986: We had a combined B52/B1/Gripen overflight of Stockholm today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato6_png-3151215.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato5_jpg-3151216.JPG View Quote Look's like the great Russian strategist never anticipated Sweden and Finland joining NATO when he started his Special Military Operation; one he thought would be over in 30 days. The Baltic and Gulf of Finland just became a bit less hospitable for Russian vessels. |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/ML6XLkA.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/exyMp0A.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/EcfGa3h.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/yrJST1V.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Oq4tAdx.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/xp6yqQt.jpeg View Quote That poor thing. It's had a tortured life. |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon Staff NCO in the Arfcom pro-Ukraine Army |
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The Russian POV of the Ukrainian USV attack, now with some audio.
View Quote I'll bet they're not big on setting condition Zebra or whatever they call it when they get called to general quarters. That being said, I doubt compartmentalization on a ship that small would have helped that much. Maybe would have floated longer. https://navyadvancement.tpub.com/14325/css/Material-Conditions-Of-Readiness-341.htm |
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Originally Posted By swede1986: We had a combined B52/B1/Gripen overflight of Stockholm today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato6_png-3151215.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato5_jpg-3151216.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Realistically, it’s going to have to be countries like Poland, Finland & Sweden that provide NATO leadership, moving forward. Germany is politically compromised and completely checked out. France is France. The US position sways with the wind, unfortunately. View Quote We've casually talked about value in a pact between eastern Euro nations that have more direct and active threat from Russia. Given the new fragility of NATO, maybe this has value. Finland, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary, Sweden, and Denmark could be the first bulwark to defend the Baltics. Like every bully, Putin will continue pushing until someone pushes back hard enough to force a stop. The jingoistic, militaristic, and nationalistic rhetoric coming out of Moscow these days is more like Berlin 1930s than anything I could name. |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: ATACMS is heavier. But the length thing is a killer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: It’s a meter and change too long but you can launch them from fixed mounts and moving launchers are in the works. Looking up Wiki they are 3500 pounds which coupled with the pressure from launching probably puts a lot of stress on the 5 ton FMTV or 2.5 ton LMTV chassis. ATACMS is heavier. But the length thing is a killer. Bet somebody could fab up something for those Tochka TELs that are sitting around outta bullets. |
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Most SMEs are saying it's going to take until 2025 for the increase in European production capacity to be felt by the Ukrainians. So, this should provide a halfway decent backstop. More can and should be done, though. I agree, as said before, we and NATO need to give from stockpiles now so that later in the year we catch up on production of new rounds. Then we can start shipping older rounds while replenishing our stockpiles with the newest production. GD will say we need our arty with a 50 mile range to fight china Lol That gets me everytime. South Korea has HUGE stockpiles because of their neighbors, and Taiwan has a lot of artillery to keep the Chinese off their beaches. Long range systems are going to be the big players in that scenario. Chinese and U.S. troops won’t be 500 miles from each other, let alone 50, before Nukes are used. There's US troops within 500 miles of China right now, in Okinawa and S. Korea. Fighting So your contention is that China immediately goes nuclear if/when they invade Taiwan? |
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Dispensing happiness one MIRV at a time.
GA, USA
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Originally Posted By swede1986: I'm drinking Champagne tonight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By swede1986: Originally Posted By Prime: Sweden NATO accession documents have made their way to the US Department of State and its the official depository of NATO protocols. This is the last step of the process of a country’s NATO membership application Welcome to NATO Viking warriors! 🇸🇪 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH-VRpiWEAAc7sG?format=jpg&name=large
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Scouts destroyed the Russian complex "Murom-P":
The Russian storage facility for towed artillery in Omsk, which was completely depleted throughout the war. Satellite images from May 2021 to May 2023. Indians were scammed and sent to fight in Ukraine Seven Indian citizens recorded a video message in which they said that they were forced to participate in the war in Ukraine on the side of Russia. According to the Indians, they were lured to Belarus by a certain “travel agent”. He extorted money from them and then disappeared. “We didn’t know we needed a visa. When we arrived in Belarus, the agent asked us for money and then disappeared,” said one of the Indians. In Belarus they were arrested by Lukashists and deported to Russia. There they were forced to sign unknown documents, after which they were sent to military training and then to the front. Massive drops on Russian camp near Krynki: |
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Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW Russian bled out.
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Originally Posted By K0UA: Soy based wiring insulation has been a problem for many people here in the USA when their autos wiring harness's have been chewed by squirrels. Wiring should not "taste good" to rodents. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/22FV5Z0.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HJRB3ve.jpeg From topwar.ru Soy based wiring insulation has been a problem for many people here in the USA when their autos wiring harness's have been chewed by squirrels. Wiring should not "taste good" to rodents. Also happens with the rubber- and petroleum-based stuff in a lot of places. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: So your contention is that China immediately goes nuclear if/when they invade Taiwan? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Most SMEs are saying it's going to take until 2025 for the increase in European production capacity to be felt by the Ukrainians. So, this should provide a halfway decent backstop. More can and should be done, though. I agree, as said before, we and NATO need to give from stockpiles now so that later in the year we catch up on production of new rounds. Then we can start shipping older rounds while replenishing our stockpiles with the newest production. GD will say we need our arty with a 50 mile range to fight china Lol That gets me everytime. South Korea has HUGE stockpiles because of their neighbors, and Taiwan has a lot of artillery to keep the Chinese off their beaches. Long range systems are going to be the big players in that scenario. Chinese and U.S. troops won’t be 500 miles from each other, let alone 50, before Nukes are used. There's US troops within 500 miles of China right now, in Okinawa and S. Korea. Fighting So your contention is that China immediately goes nuclear if/when they invade Taiwan? If U.S. troops are in Taiwan? Yes. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon Staff NCO in the Arfcom pro-Ukraine Army |
Originally Posted By fadedsun: I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? Yeah, some of you guys called it when you thought it was a higher ranking soldier, didn't know how to treat his wounds. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW Russian bled out. https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Says video doesn’t exist. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: We've casually talked about value in a pact between eastern Euro nations that have more direct and active threat from Russia. Given the new fragility of NATO, maybe this has value. Finland, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary, Sweden, and Denmark could be the first bulwark to defend the Baltics. Like every bully, Putin will continue pushing until someone pushes back hard enough to force a stop. The jingoistic, militaristic, and nationalistic rhetoric coming out of Moscow these days is more like Berlin 1930s than anything I could name. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Realistically, it’s going to have to be countries like Poland, Finland & Sweden that provide NATO leadership, moving forward. Germany is politically compromised and completely checked out. France is France. The US position sways with the wind, unfortunately. We've casually talked about value in a pact between eastern Euro nations that have more direct and active threat from Russia. Given the new fragility of NATO, maybe this has value. Finland, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary, Sweden, and Denmark could be the first bulwark to defend the Baltics. Like every bully, Putin will continue pushing until someone pushes back hard enough to force a stop. The jingoistic, militaristic, and nationalistic rhetoric coming out of Moscow these days is more like Berlin 1930s than anything I could name. I think Germany is making some good progress in terms of its defense industry, but I don't have much faith in German politicians. When it comes to France, the way it lays out its security priorities fundamentally breeds distrust in the rest of Europe. France has historically been tolerant of Russia as a major or middle-sized power, while caring far more about power projection in distant places, like sub-Saharan Africa. Needless to say, that breeds distrust with Northern and Eastern Europeans, for whom Russia is the overwhelming national security threat. Plus, there's the fact that one Macron is gone, there's a very good chance that France ends with an actual Putin agent as a president. Finland, Poland, Sweden, Czechia, Slovakia, etc. do come to mind as potential members in an Eastern European pact to combat Russia. That being said, I think that the Russians are going to target as much information/hybrid warfare at these states as possible, to breed division. I've read that the Russians are targeting a shitload of disinformation at the Polish working class, where support for Ukraine has tanked relative to what it used to be. Hungary has Putin's butt buddy in charge, as does Slovakia (to a certain extent). This is one of a few reasons why I think people who argue that Russia isn't a serious threat to Europe because it's bogged down in Eastern Ukraine are mistaken. At this point, I think that anyone who thinks we're going to see an all out war between Russia and NATO is mistaken, because I think the long term plans of the Kremlin are to fundamentally weaken Western democracies, the EU, and NATO, all of which it views as being inherently temporary phenomena doomed to failure. If, say, Le Pen gets elected in France, far right (i.e., AfD) and far left parties gain enough influence in Germany to paralyze its foreign policy towards Russia, the US continues to be skeptical towards security commitments to Europe, and more Putin puffers get into positions of power in Eastern Europe like they already have in Slovakia, Hungary, and Bulgaria, the Russians will likely do something to destroy faith in article 5. This could take the form of a hybrid invasion of, say, Estonia, for instance. The chances of this happening are by no means zero. Right now, Russia just has to sit back, let the west grow tired of the war (that it's not even fighting), and let its disinformation do its work. |
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One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he's a genius. |
Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Says video doesn’t exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW Russian bled out. https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 Says video doesn’t exist. Try this one. https://x.com/Aerobomber_UA/status/1763854508147315135 It might be you aren't logged into Twitter. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, some of you guys called it when you thought it was a higher ranking soldier, didn't know how to treat his wounds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? Yeah, some of you guys called it when you thought it was a higher ranking soldier, didn't know how to treat his wounds. Good job, the 33rd Special Forces Detachment "Peresvet" is a part of Putins terror troops of the Russian Interior Ministry. |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Good job, the 33rd Special Forces Detachment "Peresvet" is a part of Putins terror troops of the Russian Interior Ministry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? Yeah, some of you guys called it when you thought it was a higher ranking soldier, didn't know how to treat his wounds. Good job, the 33rd Special Forces Detachment "Peresvet" is a part of Putins terror troops of the Russian Interior Ministry. Attached File |
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Field grade officer in the Ukebro Army
One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he's a genius. |
Originally Posted By swede1986: We had a combined B52/B1/Gripen overflight of Stockholm today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato6_png-3151215.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/nato5_jpg-3151216.JPG View Quote What a historic photo. Can you imagine having a photo like that on your "I Love Me Wall"? |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Good job, the 33rd Special Forces Detachment "Peresvet" is a part of Putins terror troops of the Russian Interior Ministry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm missing something. I see what is apparently ACU/UCP pattern with a possible guy in Russian pattern off to our right his left? I see now. Dang! Dude was just all walking by himself? A company commander, none the less? Yeah, some of you guys called it when you thought it was a higher ranking soldier, didn't know how to treat his wounds. Good job, the 33rd Special Forces Detachment "Peresvet" is a part of Putins terror troops of the Russian Interior Ministry. Interesting, thanks for that. |
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Originally Posted By klinc: They (Russia) had a few rocket launches several months back that they might have got something decent into space to monitor the area/theater. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There is a pattern I am seeing recently with Russian targeting. They are consistently using the Iksander ballistic missiles to quickly get a weapon on targets they spot. Like the Himars, like the S-300 site, like this attempt today. They have shortened their time of spotting a target, and then using a very fast ballistic missile which has less than 5 minutes of flight time to hit any target in Ukraine. They (Russia) had a few rocket launches several months back that they might have got something decent into space to monitor the area/theater. Probably related, UA S-300 systems and long range radars have taken a bit of a beating over the last couple weeks. |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I like the way you think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By METT-T: Bet somebody could fab up something for those Tochka TELs that are sitting around outta bullets. I like the way you think. I bet they're launching S-200s. This is how we did it. I think we have a couple members here who were assigned to these. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW Russian bled out. https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Was he wearing American UCP? Didn’t work for him either. Never should have gotten off the couch. |
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That bridge is not long for this world. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH-FscjW8AMTUiW?format=jpg&name=medium One option. IF Ukraine could have gotten Taurus, a single missile with a correct fuze setting could be made to go off inside the concrete pillar, it would not take the number of missiles in the leaked conversation to do this. That bridge is not long for this world. Just thinking out loud but I think the pilings driven in the seabed are the weak link. I imagine a mine clearing charge draped across those pilings 30 feet below the surface would be the end of that bridge for a very long time. |
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Says video doesn't exist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted days ago, but identified. NSFW Russian bled out. https://x.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1765494301935476992 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIBLlBXWwAAbmXU?format=jpg&name=900x900 Says video doesn't exist. Works for me when I paste the URL into twittervideodownloader.com . Warning: that's a lot of blood. |
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Revealed: how Putin plans to flood West with migrants. To be clear, I don't think that Russia caused the migration crisis Europe is experiencing, but they're certainly exacerbating it. The Russians don't necessarily create problems in the west, but they exploit them and dump gasoline on the fire. It'll also be interesting to see how the people who think Putin is fighting for White Christendom manage to spin this one...
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Field grade officer in the Ukebro Army
One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he's a genius. |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/IPy3qSl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/L8cEWlu.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/cTmqEkr.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/dpAoxjE.jpeg Bulgarian deliveries to Ukraine. It seems they are cleaning out some depots. View Quote They remind me me of playing with army men with those colors. |
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View Quote If we did an "I'm out" gif for when we are done with a thread, this would make a good one. |
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"I do believe that some gun laws are needed and yes, I am a Republican" ~ tc556guy - NRA Member
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: There's US troops within 500 miles of China right now, in Okinawa and S. Korea. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Most SMEs are saying it's going to take until 2025 for the increase in European production capacity to be felt by the Ukrainians. So, this should provide a halfway decent backstop. More can and should be done, though. I agree, as said before, we and NATO need to give from stockpiles now so that later in the year we catch up on production of new rounds. Then we can start shipping older rounds while replenishing our stockpiles with the newest production. GD will say we need our arty with a 50 mile range to fight china Lol That gets me everytime. South Korea has HUGE stockpiles because of their neighbors, and Taiwan has a lot of artillery to keep the Chinese off their beaches. Long range systems are going to be the big players in that scenario. Chinese and U.S. troops won’t be 500 miles from each other, let alone 50, before Nukes are used. There's US troops within 500 miles of China right now, in Okinawa and S. Korea. We have bases that are about 10 km from each other in Djibouti. |
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Turret vs Orc. Who can travel highest? |
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View Quote And I think it's gonna be a long, long time 'Til touchdown brings me 'round again to find I'm not the man they think I am at home Oh, no, no, no I'm a rocket man Rocket man Burning out his fuse up here alone |
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So try as you may, feeble, your attempt to atone Your words to erase all the damage cannot A tempest must be just that |
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View Quote Don't go riden golf carts down in Zaporizhzhia and there ain't no good chain gangs |
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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View Quote WOW Thanks for that one. cant even fathom why a Russian private doesn't just gtf out of dodge. |
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Membership thanks to ml2150! Thanks buddy !
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Originally Posted By iggy1337: WOW Thanks for that one. cant even fathom why a Russian private doesn't just gtf out of dodge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: NSFW
WOW Thanks for that one. cant even fathom why a Russian private doesn't just gtf out of dodge. The Russian invasion in one image. |
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: More footage from a nearby ship.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIAa7dHWsAEHTQX?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Wow! Talk about front row seats. I would have been putting on a life jacket and hiding since either the RU strafe my deck with panicked machinegun fire or a drone hits me by mistake. |
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMnJ2b3pxbThpdXphcXkwanl5aGRvNnJ0OWhjNXZmOHg2NmtlemR2cSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/oJEM3L3KI6IwnpNNk9/giphy.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By birdbarian: If we did an "I'm out" gif for when we are done with a thread, this would make a good one. https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMnJ2b3pxbThpdXphcXkwanl5aGRvNnJ0OWhjNXZmOHg2NmtlemR2cSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/oJEM3L3KI6IwnpNNk9/giphy.gif Epic. |
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: The subject of Azov, Pravyy Sektor, and other Ukrainian ultranationalist formations is a complicated one. They use some symbolism that has some questionable meanings, such as Wolfsangels, Sonnenrads, and even just UPA flags. That being said, they aren't invading other countries and ethnically cleansing their populations. Additionally, Azov garrisoned Mariupol for eight years, and there wasn't a single anti-Semitic attack or hate crime in general linked to members of the regiment. Both Azov and Pravyy Sektor posses a number of Russian speakers, and I know Pravyy Sektor has a number of Jews in their ranks. The main conclusion I've come to is that they view the aforementioned symbols as just being a way to insult and piss off the Russians, more than anything. Regardless, the Ukrainian far right has consistently done horrible at the ballot box. In 2019, when they presented a united front, they got 2.15% of the vote. The height of their popularity was during the reign of Yanukovych, whose pro-Russian policies sparked nationalist backlash. Even then, Svoboda only got 10% of the vote. It should also be noted that the Party of Regions deliberately promoted Svoboda and gave them TV time, as they made for a convenient sparring partner. I'd also point out that the people who complain about Ukrainian ultranationalist formations ignore the fact that a ton of far right formations have been fighting for Russia in the Donbas for a decade (Sparta, Rusich, Wagner, Russian Imperial Legion, etc.), and the fact that Russia supports most of Europe's neo-Nazi parties, the leadership of whom came to "observe" the referendums during the annexation of Crimea. View Quote For both Russia and Ukraine nazi symbols are generally anti-communist symbols and have little or nothing to do with antisemitism. To them, WWII was not about the holocaust or the Jews, as this was just some minor sideshow to them (more Russian/Ukrainian POW's starved to death in the war than Jews died in camps). Basically somewhat similar to the Confederate flag in the USA. 0.00% of folks flying a rebel flag want to own any slaves (or be around black people). |
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