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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I was a tweaker for a rather regrettable time25 years ago. It works great for about a week, sort of. Then it's an endless numb zombie chase to catch up. It gets hard stay with just one thing long enough to actually finish before starting on something else. I can only imagine the bright, alert, seemingly bushy tailed chaos of a whole unit of of grunts 120 hours behind on sleep, but wide awake, would be like. "Yessir Sarn't I'll get that done right away!" and then they get sidetracked and spend 4 hours on some ancillary task. "Oh shit, I was supposed to X!" Send the meth stateside to enhance meme creation.. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: yup, shows the arrogant smugness of rich people knowing that they're not the ones who will be getting their hands bloodied. fuckers. You see how fast they came up with $10 billion for Ukraine. Oh you want a $10billion border wall to stop Mexico from invading the US? Fuck you, too expensive. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macro: What is their obsession with nuclear power plants? Is it just a matter of killing the utilities, or is there more to it? IIRC maybe within the past 10 pages or so it was mentioned that just normal operation of a nuke power plant creates as a byproduct a substance used to make nuke bombs But the immediate effect of shutting down power would be my first thought |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomislav: The Bidens should be fed to alligators for their treason with China, no doubt. But the Chicom Money Train started with Bush the Elder, at least, if not all the way back to Nixon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomislav: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By madwis15: I'd rather just see companies abandon China just like they did with Russia. That would hurt them far more. a better path would be to raise import tariffs on chinese-manufactured goods, and provide tax incentives for US companies to transfer manufacturing from overseas back to the United States. but, oh wait. Biden & Hunter are in bed with the Chinese, therefore "Xiden". and ... no more mean tweets. The Bidens should be fed to alligators for their treason with China, no doubt. But the Chicom Money Train started with Bush the Elder, at least, if not all the way back to Nixon. True. Wait until Biden finishes rubbing Iran's balls and announces he's banning Putin's oil and buying from Iran. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Not even long enough to get through the Dos Gringos playlist.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By alphabavo: Originally Posted By wjwill: Just a hypothetical question here... Send F35's to knock out sams with AWAC supoort F22's to provide CAP AC-130's, A10's, and AH64's to clean up ground targets Could it be done with no boots on the geound and how long would it take to clean house of the russian armor? Based on their current performance against the Ukrainians? About 30 minutes. Not even long enough to get through the Dos Gringos playlist. “On Tuesdays it was heaters only, Wednesdays BFM” |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 01ZULU: IIRC maybe within the past 10 pages or so it was mentioned that just normal operation of a nuke power plant creates as a byproduct a substance used to make nuke bombs But the immediate effect of shutting down power would be my first thought Most nuclear reactors are not breeders and dont create the good shit. Russia already has more than enough good shit right now so thats not the reason. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:51:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Most nuclear reactors are not breeders and dont create the good shit. Russia already has more than enough good shit right now so thats not the reason. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: They are going to plant evidence to claim Ukraine was developing nukes. Propaganda to turn opinion away from Ukraine and retroactively justify their invasion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By macro: What is their obsession with nuclear power plants? Is it just a matter of killing the utilities, or is there more to it? Propaganda to turn opinion away from Ukraine and retroactively justify their invasion Hell far as I’m concerned Ukraine would be justified making a few nukes with pooty the button boy living next door |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Russia claimed Ukraine had a nuke program. Yes we know its a lie The not only HAD a nuclear program, they also made/make the ICBMs to launch the shit. The had a nuclear program up until the US/UK/RU told them to give all it up in return for protection. The sickening part is that agreement basically said that the United Nations would be obliged, not obligated, to intervene and definitely not NATO. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat find. Wow, we really did know, yet kept up the policy. Also makes me realize I should have paid more attention to those cables. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 11:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Seems like the biggest threat to Ukranian strongholds is Russian artillery. How does Ukraine counter that? Can they? The traditional counters are counter battery fire and air power. I suspect Ukraine lacks enough artillery for meaningful counter battery and while they still have functioning air power, I’d guess the ADA around Russian artillery units is probably close enough to impenetrable that air strikes won’t be attempted. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:00:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Great find. Wow, we really did know, yet kept up the policy. Also makes me realize I should have paid more attention to those cables. AND? NATO or countries seeking NATO membership are beholden to RU? Fuck Russia, if a sovereign country wanted to be part of NATO, Russias approval of it would make ZERO difference to me and should make zero difference to anyone else. Using nukes as blackmail has been getting old since the 60s |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:02:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:03:56 AM EDT
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I’ll go back to my original suggestion:
Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:05:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FrankyRay]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: well, at least they didn't Saran-wrap you to a telephone pole and pull your pants down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By Tboy: All I can legally carry now is a knife. Things aren't bad enough in Lviv yet, especially since the vast majority of home guard have nothing. I finally started seeing soldiers, one stationed next to the Russian Consulate who confronted me and made me delete a picture I took of the abandoned complex. Nice guys. They have been very confrontational but pretty cool, considering what's going on. One friend said that there is a heavily armed checkpoint near one of the crucial crossroads/bridges. I must have gotten lucky last night. well, at least they didn't Saran-wrap you to a telephone pole and pull your pants down. Haha... It's kinda disturbing to think that I actually know what that refers to. 
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:05:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: I am right there with you. I wasn’t logistics while I was in, but I’m deeply involved in logistics now in a different arena. When I couple my current experience with my military experience while examining the Russian performance, it’s somewhere between https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKtBTZwwuwy9bw2ao9GPZ0pFHjX-ofUT-F9w&usqp=CAU And https://media1.giphy.com/media/mdljqQeEiJcQ0/200.gif Professional logisticians the world over are tearing their hair out wanting to solve that convoy problem, right or wrong. It's an innate character flaw. Without someone shooting at me, I could have it solved in less than a week. With folks shooting at me, less than 3 weeks. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:05:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: They not only HAD a nuclear program, they also made/make the ICBMs to launch the shit. The had a nuclear program up until the US/UK/RU told them to give all it up in return for protection. The sickening part is that agreement basically said that the United Nations would be obliged, not obligated, to intervene and definitely not NATO. This is commonly said. But if you read the Budapest Memorandum, it's completely toothless. There's no enforcement mechanism, nor is there a commitment for anyone to deploy force to defend Ukraine from attack. That's probably the most messed-up thing about this. Nuclear non-proliferation is now dead, unless the west can somehow seriously punish Russia and Ukraine gets all their territory back. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:06:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’ll go back to my original suggestion: Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. Shit, just leave it laying around, they are Russians after all. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I'll go back to my original suggestion: Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:06:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: Seems like Putin is getting backed into a corner and running out of options. Seems like he has only two left. Win or launch nukes. I'm pretty sure he won't get taken alive. I've been wondering if the doctrine of MAD applies to megalomaniac's? If Napoleon had nukes would he have used them once he realized he would loose the Battle of Waterloo? Would Hitler have used them? Mad only makes sense if you are rational, logical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: Originally Posted By Dopple: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Originally Posted By stone-age: Over 9,000 dead russian troops. Russia has over 800,000 troops. In theater they only have 180K. 9-10 dead plus 2x that wounded. No major cities taken. Russia could see 30k dead 60k wounded before they take Kiev and Kharkiv. That many dead in a few weeks, even if they are going to resupply, a "modern" military taking those losses in that sort amount of time is a complete disaster. Seems like Putin is getting backed into a corner and running out of options. Seems like he has only two left. Win or launch nukes. I'm pretty sure he won't get taken alive. I've been wondering if the doctrine of MAD applies to megalomaniac's? If Napoleon had nukes would he have used them once he realized he would loose the Battle of Waterloo? Would Hitler have used them? Mad only makes sense if you are rational, logical. Nobody’s nuking nobody Russia fear porn propaganda Pooty nor Winnie the Pooh nor Xiden push the button themselves. Right out of the gate pooty threatens nukes  Yea that’s a strong position right there  |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:07:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: MAYBE? Thermite isnt as awesome as it sounds. Also weighs a lot. If I was in Ukraine trying to make expedient attack drones, theyd be dropping at LEAST a grenade and preferably mortar rounds on human targets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Originally Posted By JamesP81: What about a kamikaze drone equipped with a thermite charge? Land on a vehicle, activate thermite. Could that burn through an engine cover? MAYBE? Thermite isnt as awesome as it sounds. Also weighs a lot. If I was in Ukraine trying to make expedient attack drones, theyd be dropping at LEAST a grenade and preferably mortar rounds on human targets. Why not fuel trucks? Less fuel for the convoysand secondaries should be fun to watch. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:07:28 AM EDT
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I’m looking forward to finding out what has really been going on in these engagement, I’m sure the true stories will take a long time to come out, but it appears man portable anti-armor and anti-air systems are working better than a military industrial complex salesman’s wet dream.
Thank god they are being used by the right side. But no matter how many heroic Ukrainian’s there are, some of them must suck, because they are people. So, how soon until this stuff starts popping up in places we don’t want to see it? Are there secret remote operated kill switches on any of it? Always wondered we didn’t see more stingers used against us in Afghanistan… |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This is commonly said. But if you read the Budapest Memorandum, it's completely toothless. There's no enforcement mechanism, nor is there a commitment for anyone to deploy force to defend Ukraine from attack. That's probably the most messed-up thing about this. Nuclear non-proliferation is now dead, unless the west can somehow seriously punish Russia and Ukraine gets all their territory back. It was dead the second Obama, Neocons, and Europe took out Gaddafi. Only an idiot would give up nukes comparing Libya vs NK. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:07:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’ll go back to my original suggestion: Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. In for sprinkled high af commies. Only caveat is no air drop narcan. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This is commonly said. But if you read the Budapest Memorandum, it's completely toothless. There's no enforcement mechanism, nor is there a commitment for anyone to deploy force to defend Ukraine from attack. That's probably the most messed-up thing about this. Nuclear non-proliferation is now dead, unless the west can somehow seriously punish Russia and Ukraine gets all their territory back. You underlined the sentence before I said it was sickening that nothing of the sort was being offered in return. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:08:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I had a similar idea. Attack them to separate them and destroy them in detail. No real idea on how to do that. Some Ukraine troops have night vision. Attack at night. A lot of Russian troops don’t have NV. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:09:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Why not fuel trucks? Less fuel for the convoysand secondaries should be fun to watch. Mortar will do much more damage to a fuel truck than thermite. Thermite is good for disabling howitzers and turrets. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cav-Gunner: Agreed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cav-Gunner: Originally Posted By CPT1-285TH: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: That's a 5.45 '74 from the look of the brake. Perfect for kids - short length of pull and almost zero recoil. My son shot mine when he was 7 with no probs at all. Yeah, the muzzle brake on the AK-74 is very effective. Recoil seems almost non-existent compared to even the AR-15. The Russians definitely got that design right. Agreed. Are the 74s stupid loud with their brake? |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:11:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Some Ukraine troops have night vision. Attack at night. A lot of Russian troops don't have NV. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:12:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: A factor? Sounds like they mostly own it. Which means if they had a dozen of the maligned A10s, there would no longer be a column north of Kiev. I expect Russian ADA around that convoy is probably pretty serious. Might not work that well. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:13:35 AM EDT
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Ukraine had actual nukes and delivery systems until well after the fall of the USSR.
It's one of the really sketchy places that got independence a year or two before the USSR collapsed... and had all the russian shit left behind. The UN was all over Ukraine looking for stuff well into the early 2000's. Nobody was really sure the Soviet records were all that great, and chernobyl needed looking after. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:13:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: There are all sorts of fun small.payloads you could put on cheap drones and they wouldn't need to be disposable. Few hundred drones with grenades on a supply line or thermite package would be pretty nasty I can see how a drone swarm playing toss the grenade could…sow some chaos among the enemy
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: I expect Russian ADA around that convoy is probably pretty serious. Might not work that well. US does have drones that can mimic the radar signature of just about anything they want. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’ll go back to my original suggestion: Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. Now that’s just mean man
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Professional logisticians the world over are tearing their hair out wanting to solve that convoy problem, right or wrong. It's an innate character flaw. Without someone shooting at me, I could have it solved in less than a week. With folks shooting at me, less than 3 weeks. And all the professional artillery troops and attack pilots are tearing their hair out wondering why that convoy hasn’t been converted to a flaming wreck so large you could see it from space
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:18:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: These sanctions do nothing to stop the invasion immediately. They severely punish the Russian people and our own to a lesser degree. Putin is attacking innocent people in Ukraine. Our response is to punish innocent people in Russia hoping they’ll come to hate Putin enough for the punishment we inflict. In other words, bully is beating little guy, we go kick the little guys he’s already beaten Hoping they’ll fight him. It’s absurd. There’s a much better approach. EU should launch military action to stop this today. If they refuse we should act now to stomp Putin and punish EU for refusing to handle their own shit. this. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:18:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Now that’s just mean man Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’ll go back to my original suggestion: Small drones that drop packets of fentanyl over the stranded Russian convoys. Now that’s just mean man lollipop em. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:19:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:20:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mancow]
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What's up with the F16 a guy here the other day said he saw fly into UK then the ADSB turned off?
Are we probing the airspace looking for reactions? |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Again, they shouldn't be ruling anything out, at all. It's just dumb. The only reason to make concessions is to gain something. Leave everything open - no-fly zones, NATO membership, whatever. Go ahead and quietly commit to yourself that NATO won't include Ukraine, but don't say it out loud. Stupid people. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Again, they shouldn't be ruling anything out, at all. It's just dumb. The only reason to make concessions is to gain something. Leave everything open - no-fly zones, NATO membership, whatever. Go ahead and quietly commit to yourself that NATO won't include Ukraine, but don't say it out loud. Stupid people. This is just as bad as biden saying it's ok if it's a small incursion. Germany is effectively giving russia the go-ahead to do whatever he wants to keep ukraine under his thumb. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:21:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: A factor? Sounds like they mostly own it. Which means if they had a dozen of the maligned A10s, there would no longer be a column north of Kiev. Wonder if any of them have civilians. Someone posted they did. Might explain why it hasn't been destroyed. Isn't it only like 20 miles outside the city? |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:23:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp:
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Apparently the Ukranians got pretty good at the dropped mortar thing in the past. I saw a video yesterday of them dropping a mortar on a guy and it landed DIRECTLY on his head. Popped his fuckin head right off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By MattyCR: He talking about a large size soft stick RC airplane. Would need a decent motor and prop and youd want more than a 1/4lbs of C4 to do anything more than kill a soldier or two. Id be working on heavy lift octocopters that can drop multiple mortar rounds. Apparently the Ukranians got pretty good at the dropped mortar thing in the past. I saw a video yesterday of them dropping a mortar on a guy and it landed DIRECTLY on his head. Popped his fuckin head right off. Where are these vids coming out of? |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ericoak: You see how fast they came up with $10 billion for Ukraine. Oh you want a $10billion border wall to stop Mexico from invading the US? Fuck you, too expensive. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: France has deployed troops and equipment to Romania. 500 troops only. They're not interested in that part of Europe. But the good news is that the Romanian army will get 500 never fired, dropped once rifles. |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:28:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: The traditional counters are counter battery fire and air power. I suspect Ukraine lacks enough artillery for meaningful counter battery and while they still have functioning air power, I’d guess the ADA around Russian artillery units is probably close enough to impenetrable that air strikes won’t be attempted. I think they have been enhancing their artillery since the war began. They have benefited from the convoys too. 
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:28:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: The not only HAD a nuclear program, they also made/make the ICBMs to launch the shit. The had a nuclear program up until the US/UK/RU told them to give all it up in return for protection. The sickening part is that agreement basically said that the United Nations would be obliged, not obligated, to intervene and definitely not NATO. I learned something about the UN the other day. With Russia being a permanent member they can veto basically anything that comes they the UN. Same as America UK France China can Niet intervene in Russia liberation mission How fucked is that right |
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:29:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: And all the professional artillery troops and attack pilots are tearing their hair out wondering why that convoy hasn’t been converted to a flaming wreck so large you could see it from space At this point, it doesn't need to be other than for the youtube videos. Day 8 of a 3 day mission?? The first half of that convoy is out of fuel from running the engines to keep their troops warm, to batteries dead from running radio watch after the fuel ran out. No need to destroy a truck that is out of fuel with a dead battery. It won't move until and unless someone makes a concerted effort to make it move in an uncontested environment. Or a Ukranian Gypsie tows it away behind their farm tractor.
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:30:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: “On Tuesdays it was heaters only, Wednesdays BFM” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By alphabavo: Originally Posted By wjwill: Just a hypothetical question here... Send F35's to knock out sams with AWAC supoort F22's to provide CAP AC-130's, A10's, and AH64's to clean up ground targets Could it be done with no boots on the geound and how long would it take to clean house of the russian armor? Based on their current performance against the Ukrainians? About 30 minutes. Not even long enough to get through the Dos Gringos playlist. “On Tuesdays it was heaters only, Wednesdays BFM” 
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Posted: 3/5/2022 12:30:56 AM EDT
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I want to jam the radios with bagpipe music before an attack.
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