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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: My criticism of the 113 is that it's sort of a worst of both worlds option between tracked and wheeled vehicles. It offers protection equal to or even less than armored wheeled vehicles while having a logistics appetite closer to other tracked vehicles. Still, the price is right, beggars can't be choosers, and sending them to ride into Europe to make Russia's life harder is better than scrapping them. All I can say is after having driven a 113, I say congratulations and enjoy the ride. I'd rather ride in a 113 than a BMP death trap (unless we are talking about actual combat between BMP (30mm auto) and a M113 with a 50cal.) |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:29:21 PM EDT
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How long has Mariupul held on? Heroes in my book.
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:31:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: A real life version of this seems perfect for modern combat, https://starcitizen.tools/images/e/ee/Cyclone-MT_Concept_Driving.jpg?version=965beb4d241fff4866e697eac1d49114 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Unrolled tweet thread above ^
That's another good thread. Here's a non-Twitter link to the thread reader: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1514645271493459970.html Based on previous discussions, I think it's worth highlighting this part:
I agree with that. Dudes rolling around the battlefield in HMMWVs or Toyotas or whatever with a pile of ATGMs and Stingers are going to be much more responsive and have a much smaller support requirement than massed groups of tracked vehicles like MBTs and IFVs. MBTs still have a role in defending key points, but the less you have to move them, the better. A real life version of this seems perfect for modern combat, https://starcitizen.tools/images/e/ee/Cyclone-MT_Concept_Driving.jpg?version=965beb4d241fff4866e697eac1d49114  Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Intersting. Also, in 2005 then Sen. Obama (Marxist) and RINO and Moscow frequent flyer Sen. Dick Lugar traveled to Ukraine and paid them off to destroy over a million surplus small arms, billions of rounds of ammo, and artillery shells. This was a step in a long term plan to take Ukraine starting with lifelong Soviet sympathizer Bill Clinton and Budapest Memerandom. Coup or no coup, Obama and other dem and rino assholes had designs on Ukraine. McCain was up in their ass also. Maybe it was just to antagonize Russia or maybe they it became a key intersection of corruption, Western aid kickbacks, and dem money laundering. Irregardless, the Ukrainian people truly wanted to reject Russia and move toward EU. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Do or die amphibious landing? They can't be that retar... oh who am I kidding? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: They're already at war with Ukraine. One they started. So if they do declare war, I suspect it will be Poland, but not directly named, but those that are fighting with Ukraine by supplying weapons. Russia shot its wad with Ukraine and therefore is in no shape to fight Poland. So the declaration is just another baseless threat from them. If they want a naval battle with the USA, it's quite clear the USA will work over the russian surface navy in short order. However, submarine battles would be different. I suspect USA would get some blood on the chin, but work their sub fleet over as well. If Russia keeps running their cock-holster, they will convince Poland to make a move and Russia, already with shit pushed in by UA, should want to avoid a pile-on. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:38:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Pictured: Wife who was recorded 'ordering her Russian soldier husband to rape Ukrainian women' as it emerges he was wounded in fighting https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/19/56661717-0-image-a-27_1650047026377.jpg A wife who was recorded giving her Russian soldier husband permission to rape Ukrainian women during Vladimir Putin's invasion has been pictured, as it emerged the man has been wounded in the fighting. Earlier this week, Kyiv's security forces released an audio clip of a conversation between a couple, who have now been identified as Roman Bykovsky and his wife Olga Bykovskaya by Radio Liberty. In the recording, the woman - allegedly Bykovskaya - is heard telling the man that he has her permission to rape Ukrainian women while he is serving in Russia's invading forces, so long as he does not tell her and uses contraception. The shocking 30-second clip was released on April 12 as Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russian troops of carrying out 'hundreds of rapes' including sexual assaults of small children in his country https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/18/56659429-10722417-image-a-24_1650042647682.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/18/56659921-10722417-image-a-23_1650042639217.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/18/56659925-10722417-image-a-25_1650042650602.jpg They also learned that the couple had moved to the Russian occupied Crimean peninsula, approximately around 2018. Olga's social media account meanwhile was open (until it was deleted on April 13). On her account, she was shown in pictures with the man identified as Roman Bykovsky. It also showed the pair share a 4-year-old child together. Radio Liberty tried calling the couple using the numbers that were discovered. Roman reportedly answered, and denied that he was still in the Kherson region, and once he learned that he was being contacted by reporters also denied he was the man in the audio recording. However, Radio Liberty said his voice was a match. Olga Bykovska also answered, and confirmed to Radio Liberty that her husband was in Sevastopol being treated for an injury. After revealing that, she quickly cut the phone call off. Her social media account was deleted soon after that. The 30-second audio clip of the conversation was posted to the telegram channel of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) on Tuesday. 'Wives of Russian aggressors call on their husbands to rape Ukrainian women,' the agency wrote on Telegram, along with the clip. 'This shocking interception by the SBU reflects the moral values not only of the occupiers but also of their relatives, 80% of whom now support the war in Ukraine,' the agency claimed in its description of the recording. Continued Nasty little bitch is just looking for a Jody pass. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: So a $375 grenade or two takes out a half million dollar tank. Ukrainians are a frugal bunch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Another one bites the dust So a $375 grenade or two takes out a half million dollar tank. Ukrainians are a frugal bunch. Those looked like RPG7 warheads. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Seems rushed. May the Ukrainians blast them out of the water. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:43:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Do or die amphibious landing? They can't be that retar... oh who am I kidding? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:44:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:44:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:44:54 PM EDT
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Ukrainian TRACTOR BRIGADE strikes again, TOWING AWAY a 122mm 2S1 Gvozdika SPG from Russian forces
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Targeting is a challenge, and the Russians have more ships than the Ukranians have missiles. The remaining ships are smaller and less important than the Moscow, but they're still there. The Ukrainians need to be selective when deciding which RU ship needs to go bye bye, and they need to make their shots count. Also, having been caught sleeping, I'm sure the Russian ships are being careful and staying out further now and taking whatever precautions. It would be 10X harder to catch another one. But keeping them farther away and out of the game is probably good enough since this is not a naval war (yet). |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:50:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs:
should have made him bite the curb |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Do or die amphibious landing? They can't be that retar... oh who am I kidding? They have to commit those troops one way or another. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Putin is going to have follow through on his escalation threats if he "declares war". He has no intent of letting go of mariupol, and the Ukrainians have no intention of letting him keep it. They will have to launch a counter offensive to get it back and will need heavy weapons to do so. As a side note we need to see some heavy bombers brought down. I'd pay real money to see WWII type footage of Bears and Blackjacks being brought down. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Since russia likes this kind of language, the US should respond with something like "Tell your military to stop committing war crimes immediately or this situation might get a lot bigger." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By outofbattery:
Since russia likes this kind of language, the US should respond with something like "Tell your military to stop committing war crimes immediately or this situation might get a lot bigger." Their whole strategy of bluster deterrence is too obvious and yet people still fall for it. Instead of the West clutching pearls, paralyzed (not so much this time) wondering "OMG what if Russia mad, what might they do," we should have the Russians worried about what we might do if they piss us off. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:54:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomislav: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21383/Screenshot_2022-04-15_174451_jpg-2350244.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:57:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 5:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: They have to commit those troops one way or another. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Do or die amphibious landing? They can't be that retar... oh who am I kidding? They have to commit those troops one way or another. Russian marine peeks over top of landing craft See's oncoming neptune missile 
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI would love to know if the Moskva's twin 130 mm turret blew off when its weapons magazine exploded. 
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:08:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Gonna go full Sherman? Russians will be doing it out of hateful spite because they know they can't win. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Another one bites the dust Appears to be a modified RPG round minus the booster. It worked! |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:10:01 PM EDT
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https://fb.watch/cpFgnSFrtX/
Nightforce, Vortex, and Elcan scopes spotted in Ukrainian supplies, among other things. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:10:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: https://i.redd.it/2uis23yiont81.png It was really embarrassing when he tried to phone a friend and Xi didn't even pick up. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:12:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Seems rushed. May the Ukrainians blast them out of the water. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Seems rushed. May the Ukrainians blast them out of the water. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:13:24 PM EDT
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Playing armchair general, so feel free to laugh.
Ukraine could have tried this strategy to take out Moskva weeks ago. Why now? My guess: They had been holding their very limited supply of Neptune missiles in reserve in case of an attempted landing to take Odessa. Britain promised antiship missiles. Perhaps the Brit missiles have been delivered, giving Ukraine enough weapons of these types to feel comfortable taking a couple shots at Moskva? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Nuke retrieval? If the Moscow went down with nukes on board. I’m sure they’re going to send everything they have, as fast as they can, to retrieve them. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
"Fucking Germans". |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
That few? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Probably still filling out the proper paperwork. .....germans. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Those looked like RPG7 warheads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Another one bites the dust So a $375 grenade or two takes out a half million dollar tank. Ukrainians are a frugal bunch. Those looked like RPG7 warheads. How's does a rpg7 warhead arm itself ? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: How's does a rpg7 warhead arm itself ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Another one bites the dust So a $375 grenade or two takes out a half million dollar tank. Ukrainians are a frugal bunch. Those looked like RPG7 warheads. How's does a rpg7 warhead arm itself ? By number of rotations I think but I'm sure it can be (dangerously) modded |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:25:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: All I can say is after having driven a 113, I say congratulations and enjoy the ride. I'd rather ride in a 113 than a BMP death trap (unless we are talking about actual combat between BMP (30mm auto) and a M113 with a 50cal.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: My criticism of the 113 is that it's sort of a worst of both worlds option between tracked and wheeled vehicles. It offers protection equal to or even less than armored wheeled vehicles while having a logistics appetite closer to other tracked vehicles. Still, the price is right, beggars can't be choosers, and sending them to ride into Europe to make Russia's life harder is better than scrapping them. All I can say is after having driven a 113, I say congratulations and enjoy the ride. I'd rather ride in a 113 than a BMP death trap (unless we are talking about actual combat between BMP (30mm auto) and a M113 with a 50cal.) Hey its better than those MTLBs |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:28:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: "Fucking Germans". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
"Fucking Germans". Typical ... For leftists across the political spectrum, misperceived social justice and environmentalism outweigh morality and common sense. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:28:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
What's he say? Twitter wants me to have an account to read it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:29:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: That few? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
That few? Not clear if that includes territorial defense, partisan, police, and other non-traditional army force types. At first blush it seems like it could be low. Truth will prove it out. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:30:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: What's he say? Twitter wants me to have an account to read it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
What's he say? Twitter wants me to have an account to read it. Standby 1
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Playing armchair general, so feel free to laugh. Ukraine could have tried this strategy to take out Moskva weeks ago. Why now? My guess: They had been holding their very limited supply of Neptune missiles in reserve in case of an attempted landing to take Odessa. Britain promised antiship missiles. Perhaps the Brit missiles have been delivered, giving Ukraine enough weapons of these types to feel comfortable taking a couple shots at Moskva? That is exactly my assessment as well, so I'm not laughing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:31:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 45custom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: That few? Far more in reality. There was an official on the Ukrainian side who made a public statement a while back claiming they had the actual figures, but they wouldn't release them until the end of the war for opsec purposes. They said something to the effect that while their losses were lower than the Russians', they were still substantial. In the past NATO sources have placed Ukrainian military casualties as being about 60% of Russian numbers, so if ~18k Russian soldiers have died then I'd estimate the real Ukrainian military losses are somewhere in the 10-12k range. Their death toll is probably higher than Russia's if you also include civilians. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: How's does a rpg7 warhead arm itself ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Another one bites the dust So a $375 grenade or two takes out a half million dollar tank. Ukrainians are a frugal bunch. Those looked like RPG7 warheads. How's does a rpg7 warhead arm itself ? Skip to the 3:45 point...  RPG-7: How it Works and a Demo Shot |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:34:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45custom: Far more in reality. There was an official on the Ukrainian side who made a public statement a while back claiming they had the actual figures, but they wouldn't release them until the end of the war for opsec purposes. They said something to the effect that while their losses were lower than the Russians', they were still substantial. In the past NATO sources have placed Ukrainian military casualties as being about 60% of Russian numbers, so if ~18k Russian soldiers have died then I'd estimate the real Ukrainian military losses are somewhere in the 10-12k range. The death toll is probably higher if you also include civilians. They've killed several thousand non-combatants, easily. |
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