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It all plans and goals, backed by regs -mostly Europe and some states - but enough that this won't come off the rails. Some won't adopt, lots will - but overall, you won't have many choices outside EV if you want a new vehicle.

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Both of my SUVs are just over 1/4 tank when I woke...as they were when I went to bed.  Either can be filled to whatever level I want in a few minutes at one of hundreds of locations in the area.

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Yeah, you say that in every electric vehicle post.

I guess you sell batteries or some such.  Or maybe just don't read.

Running a car on batteries would still be ridiculously expensive too were it not for shit tons of government subsidies and the artificial economy of scale they create.

That same level of intervention on behalf of Hydrogen fuel cell tech would have yielded better results.  But better results wasn't what the ruling class wanted.

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FEV

(Fuck Electric Vehicles)

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I would love to see hydrogen as a transportation fuel, but it's going to be tough to make it happen. We are going to need a shitload of hydrogen and a distribution network for it. Electricity on the other hand is readily available in every American household.

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Hydrogen is going no where. Not going to happen. Don't you push Hydrogen in every EV thread?

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You come off less employee more craftsman or maybe artist.

The interplay is value - create value for a company (or shareholders) and they should appreciate and reward. It's easier to build competency and move efficiently with more experienced, engaged and  purposeful people. In the end there's a reciprocal value and loyalty exchange

There's always poor management and bad employees.  Mostly because they misunderstand this relationship

In the end it's the employer who ultimately is holding the bag - but doesn't mean you can't spread some love along the way.

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I'll admit, I really, really, really want the Cyber Truck.  That being said...

So far, the cult of the EV has not given me a single real world reason to buy one.

First, we're not all ARFCOM millionaires with supermodel wives.  The cost of EVs is, pardon my French, fucking ridiculous.

I looked online for used Teslas.  The cheapest one I could find near me the other day was six or seven years old and they wanted just shy of $40,000 for it.  Fuck off.

Next, the same tired arguments that get brought up in each thread:

Torque!!!1!  So?  They have torque, and?  When I'm going down the road to the grocery store to pick up something I forgot, I don't give a rat's ass how much torque I do or do not have.  If I'm cruising along the highway on a 4 hour drive, sitting at 70mph the entire way, all that TOrQUe!!!1! is doing nothing for me.

OMG!!!  They are so fast!!!   And?  If I wanted fast, I'd already have a sports car.  Maybe if they change highway 70 to the Autobahn I'll care, otherwise I'm a boring guy who obeys the speed limits because I can't afford a traffic ticket.

They have fewer parts!  OK, fine, and?  Ridiculous price divided by fewer parts equals each part cost more.  In other words, any parts that need replacing will cost me more.  Great.

They need less maintenance!  I have a 14 year old Jeep.  I change the oil twice a year.  Oh my God, so much maintenance.

A few negatives I see as well -

Wake me when I can charge the batteries from empty to full in the same time it takes me to fill the empty tank on my Jeep.

The ability for Tesla to turn things on and off over the air is a huge concern for me.  This doesn't bother anyone else?  I was reading their own agreement about super charging.  If they think you are using your car for commercial use, they'll yank your ability to use the super chargers.  Nice.  Everyone in the cult loves to rave about Elon being a benevolent god and rolling things out over the air.  No one seems to mind that kind of control over their own property.

Also, there was a story in the news the other day about a Tesla that crashed and burned.  Elon tweeted out something about the logs for the car.  Excuse me?  How do they get the logs from a burned out car?  I'm guessing that they continuously download the logs over the air.  

What else are they doing over the air?  How long until the FBI is getting logs for all cars to find out who was near the capitol on a certain date (Jan 6 for example).

In the end, I'm sure I'll end up with one, but it won't be because it's the better option, it will be because the government mandated it into the only option.

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This has been done here a million times, but in short, they hold no significant advantages over gasoline but have many drawbacks, especially here in northern climates where they are nothing more than a summer vehicle.  But muh 0-60, amirite?

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Like them or not, EVs are a done deal. Too many political units around the world are mandating them.

I'm surprised more are not mandating them even faster for one particular reason. Electricity can be generated in lots of different ways, but for most counties gas vehicles involve sending a chunk of the counties GDP to some other country, usually in the middle east, and their county and their economy can be turned off at the whim of those middle east countries (or at the whim of anyone that can blockade oil tankers). For these reasons I'm surprised China, with the worlds largest auto market, isn't pushing EVs even harder than they are (and they're pushing them now).

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You sound like you have a personal grudge against EV's for some odd reason.

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I try to.

It's the first solution since nuke power (which was effectively killed by the same cabal, BTW) that makes any sense over fossil fuels.

Just like nuclear power, it's politics and tyranny that hold back hydrogen... not science.

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Like them or not, EVs are a done deal. Too many political units around the world are mandating them.

I'm surprised more are not mandating them even faster for one particular reason. Electricity can be generated in lots of different ways, but for most counties gas vehicles involve sending a chunk of the counties GDP to some other country, usually in the middle east, and their county and their economy can be turned off at the whim of those middle east countries (or at the whim of anyone that can blockade oil tankers). For these reasons I'm surprised China, with the worlds largest auto market, isn't pushing EVs even harder than they are (and they're pushing them now).

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It's actually someone in the industry's take, but you do you.

I've posted the facts and data a hundred times and you know it.  It won't matter.  

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What do people do in the city where there is only street parking?  You can't run a cord across the sidewalk

Public charging stations are not plentiful and are sparsely laid out.  That, combined with the relatively long charging time, makes it impractical to stop by on the way to work to "fill up".

We really need 5 minute charging times to make these vehicles sell.  They don't have to fully charge in 5 minutes, but at least give me 50 miles of range in that time.

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It's actually someone in the industry's take, but you do you.

I've posted the facts and data a hundred times and you know it.  It won't matter.  

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EVs are a corporate buzzword.  The direction is coming from executives, shareholders, and the government.  The people actually doing the work know exactly what a sham it all is.

ETA: Don't get me wrong, there are few applications where it makes sense.  But this major retooling towards electric is a complete joke and everyone knows it.

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Electric vehicles support child slavery in Africa for Cobalt Mining and Chinese goals.

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You are, and have been, looking at this from an extremely simplistic point of view and are ignoring anything that contradicts your opinion.

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@Alacrity

You're in the auto industry what's your take on this?

https://autos.yahoo.com/toyota-warns-rushing-electrification-193000559.html

I've also seen Toyota say that hybrids are better options because they can electrify something like 10 hybrids for every pure EV, which is more efficient and deals with the issues of limited lithium supply.  

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/paris-motor-show/toyota-reckons-hybrids-are-better-full-electric-cars

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To be clear, the technology will catch up.  Eventually we will go back, full circle, to where we are today -- "gas stations" will be replaced by "EV stations", where you can charge in 5 minutes for 200-300 miles of juice.  However, those sorts of huge infrastructure changes will happen at a much slower pace than most EV proponents realize.  Until that time, EVs are limited to the small segment of society that have garages in the suburbs --  i.e., not much of America.  

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None of this matters.

You WILL have an electric car eventually, you will just have to alter your lifestyle to accommodate it.

Or take the bus.

Restricting personal mobility is one of the stated goals of the left.

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I went and looked at net energy benefits with supplying power to EV's combined with energy needed to make EV's compared to gas powered vehicles.

The answers are LITTERALLY ALL OVER THE BOARD for god's sake.

All I can conclude is no one really has any fucking idea.

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I know it's already been mentioned, but I can't imagine the amp draw from having an all electric parking lot with all the employees plugging all their electric vehicles in at work all at the same time plus all the surrounding companies employees doing the same at the same time of day!

Then, if and when we get faster charging batteries, the amp draw will go up even more!

There would have to be limits on how fast the cars would be allowed to charge.  Some sort of smart controller for every company's entire parking lot.  It still would be a large draw on the electrical grid if all the cars are plugged in at 7 or 8 am on a cold day in winter when everyone's house at home is also running on backup heat strips.

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I know it's already been mentioned, but I can't imagine the amp draw from having an all electric parking lot with all the employees plugging all their electric vehicles in at work all at the same time plus all the surrounding companies employees doing the same at the same time of day!

Then, if and when we get faster charging batteries, the amp draw will go up even more!

There would have to be limits on how fast the cars would be allowed to charge.  Some sort of smart controller for every company's entire parking lot.  It still would be a large draw on the electrical grid if all the cars are plugged in at 7 or 8 am on a cold day in winter when everyone's house at home is also running on backup heat strips.

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It would take about a 25-35% increase in electricity generation over the span of a few decades to convert the entire fleet to EVs.

This would reduce our fuel consumption.

Electricity generation stations are waayyyy more efficient than small ICEs. Small ICEs are almost laughably inefficient.

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I went and looked at net energy benefits with supplying power to EV's combined with energy needed to make EV's compared to gas powered vehicles.

The answers are LITTERALLY ALL OVER THE BOARD for god's sake.

All I can conclude is no one really has any fucking idea.

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I guess I didn't get the memo because we drove ours all last winter even in the ice and snow with no problems.  Handled better in the ice and snow than my 4x4 F-150 by far and frankly better than any other car I've ever owned.

The dual motor configuration is absolutely tits on slippery roads.

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I guess I didn't get the memo because we drove ours all last winter even in the ice and snow with no problems.  Handled better in the ice and snow than my 4x4 F-150 by far and frankly better than any other car I've ever owned.

The dual motor configuration is absolutely tits on slippery roads.

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Most of these anti-EV takes are literally like virgins talking about sex. Breaking that second wall doe!

I'm sure there will be more boomers here who have never owned or driven an EV to tell you all about what your EV can and can't do though...