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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:53:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Acog master race. Red chevron works just as fast as a red dot and also get some magnification when needed If that's the case, why do people piggyback RMRs on ACOGs? |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:54:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case, why do people piggyback RMRs on ACOGs? I am not that poster but for me…NV. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 2 go to rifles. Situation dictates which rifle I grab. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163367/9F1042F8-2A39-4BDD-9987-0DEBC714ABDC_jpe-2435981.JPG Rifle is situated much like your top one |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:56:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is that setup Quote HistoryQuoted: What is that setup Old school Aimpoint ML2 and 3x magnifier on LaRue mounts. I have another ACR with an 1x8 LPVO for medium range (600 yards) plinking. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:56:32 PM EDT
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3rd (or 4th) for T2 + G33 magnifier. It's perfect for 200 yards in and is awesome under NODs. I've done Eotechs, 1-6 LPVOs and ACOGs....always come back to the T2. ACOG TA02 on my longer guns.
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:57:45 PM EDT
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It looks like these days LPVO + offset micro red dot is the best do it all solution.
I really like the simplicity of a dedicated red dot and haven't done any serious shooting with a magnified optic, but need to when the weather cools down. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:58:00 PM EDT
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i have an ACOG on mine because i love them
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Posted: 6/29/2022 9:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes ya lean that way vs your eotech? Batteries, EMP, massive solar flare, cats and dogs living together. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which do you llike better for all purpose, shtf application Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 10.5 has a red dot and the 11.5 has an LPVO. Which do you llike better for all purpose, shtf application All purpose is hands down a lpvo. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is that setup Quote HistoryQuoted: What is that setup I like the cut of his gib. It's an ACR with an Aimpoint, Magnifier, and D60. 
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:07:22 PM EDT
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Trijicon Accupoint 1-6 triangle.
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case, why do people piggyback RMRs on ACOGs? I would say because it requires less training and they like more gadgets. There are enough videos out there with competitive guys running just lvpos to show that the red dot isn't a need. Some of it is probably just habit. I can relate. I do think the lpvo is the simplest solution. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:09:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would say because it requires less training and they like more gadgets. There are enough videos out there with competitive guys running just lvpos to show that the red dot isn't a need. Some of it is probably just habit. I can relate. I do think the lpvo is the simplest solution. But again…night vision is a thing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:11:52 PM EDT
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For distances of 350ish and under, red dot.
more than that, some magnification. In my opinion. ETA: I run a 25/200 zero. Good for anything point blank to 400 yards. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:13:05 PM EDT
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Just upgraded red dot mount and added a magnifier. So far I like it better then the lpvo, with this particular mount the magnifier drops down vs to the side so I don't catch any Snickers wrappers or the McDonald's bag.
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like these days LPVO + offset micro red dot is the best do it all solution. I really like the simplicity of a dedicated red dot and haven't done any serious shooting with a magnified optic, but need to when the weather cools down. I know it can be popular, but I don't fully understand it. If you have an offset (or piggy-backed) red dot, I'm assuming you have your LPVO magnified all the time. If that is the case, it seems like you are just running a red dot and a really expensive and heavy magnifier. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just upgraded red dot mount and added a magnifier. So far I like it better then the lpvo, with this particular mount the magnifier drops down vs to the side so I don't catch any Snickers wrappers or the McDonald's bag. https://i.imgur.com/ul2rwlN.jpg What setup is that? |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:20:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case, why do people piggyback RMRs on ACOGs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Acog master race. Red chevron works just as fast as a red dot and also get some magnification when needed If that's the case, why do people piggyback RMRs on ACOGs? Because they don’t know how to shoot with both eyes open. Also having it on top is like a 2.26” riser. So gives you a nice heads up shooting. Options |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have red dots on everything under 16". 36/300 zero This is the way. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What setup is that? Aimpoint compm4s in a unity fast comp mount. Aimpoint magnifier in a unity FTC mount. Here's the magnifier not in use 
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:31:16 PM EDT
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OP, if your rural environment is wooded, not much need for magnification, go red dot. If it’s high plains, lpvo magnification may be worth the weigh penalty.
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimpoint compm4s in a unity fast comp mount. Aimpoint magnifier in a unity FTC mount. Here's the magnifier not in use https://i.imgur.com/7NghkIM.jpg Have one with magnifier and without. That setup looks nice |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My SBR’s all have Aimpoints. Everything else has LPVO or irons. That’s just me though. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:32:33 PM EDT
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EXPS3 + magnifier
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:33:38 PM EDT
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You can learn to become very quick with an LPVO at close range. But you need to dial in the setup with the right combo of mount height, optic eyebox, stock position, and technique.
A couple of weekends ago I spent time working on my LPVO setup and training. Goals were holding a B8 at speed at 50 yards, improving speed and accuracy in closer. An example of a drill involved in that work was trying to complete a failure drill at 25 yards in 2 seconds or less from low ready. I ended up around 2.25-2.35 seconds. Chest target was a B8, head target is a 4" circle. That sort of time standard forces an efficient mount, correct judgment of offset on a larger target, rapid transition, correct judgment of offset on a precise target, and trigger control. I'm pretty skilled with the LPVO, but I still prefer a dot up to 50 yards. Once we start getting out past that distance the ability to more accurately see your wobble zone on 2X or 3X is useful for enhancing accuracy...although you have to do dedicated work to figure out what your reticle actually does at those magnifications if you aren't using a first focal plane optic. The red dot is cheaper and simpler (and likely more robust) and if you don't really need to extend range with pinpoint accuracy it's just fine. For a general use carbine I still prefer the dot to an LPVO. But if you put in the work with the LPVO you can get really fast with it up close. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trijicon Accupoint 1-6 triangle. I want this |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:45:44 PM EDT
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Still looking,looking for best all purpose optic
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which do you llike better for all purpose, shtf application If I had to pick only one for all purpose, my 11.5 with the LPVO. My 10.5 is setup for NV at the moment and is more to fill a specific niche IMO. ETA - Pic |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:56:32 PM EDT
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i will have NV within the next year or so I guess that needs to factor in
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Posted: 6/29/2022 10:59:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My SBR’s all have Aimpoints. Everything else has LPVO or irons. That’s just me though. Exactly this. Except my LPVO is in a badger ordnance mount with an offset RMR 
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Posted: 6/29/2022 11:01:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2022 11:04:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2022 11:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i will have NV within the next year or so I guess that needs to factor in That's the reason I chose the mounts I did. They allow utilization of the optic with nods. So when I finallyget some I'll be ready. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 11:09:29 PM EDT
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Aimpoint T2 and a 3x or 5x magnifier
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Posted: 6/30/2022 12:56:27 AM EDT
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I could be shooting anywhere from 1-500 yards in open desert terrain. SHTF rifle is almost identical to my 3-Gun rifle - 16” 5.56 AR15 with Steiner 1-4x LPVO and an Aimpoint T1 on a 45 degree offset mount. Only difference between the two rifles is barrel weight - 3-Gun is medium contour fluted Stretch 16, SHTF is lightweight mid length Brave Company.
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like these days LPVO + offset micro red dot is the best do it all solution. I really like the simplicity of a dedicated red dot and haven't done any serious shooting with a magnified optic, but need to when the weather cools down. If you're adding a red dot then why not a mid power scope like a 3-9 or 2-10? If non illuminated is ok (since there's a red dot) there are some very lightweight mid powers; you could have a scope, mount and dot for less weight than an LPVO and mount. Better at the top end than a 1-x too. |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:32:59 AM EDT
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Vortex 6x magnifier is what you need
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:37:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vortex 6x magnifier is what you need How are those actually? |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:37:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 11.5 with LPVO has become my go to rifle for just about everything lately. The only other AR that I've shot much is my Mk12ish gun for shooting beyond 600 yards. ETA: Giselle upper with Razor. This is my primary “duty” as well. The 11.5” barrel loses more juice at range, but it’s still accurate out to distances that an LPVO can give you an advantage at. I’ll admit going from RDS to LPVO was rough, but with enough training you can get just as fast with the LPVO and have the advantage of optional magnification. |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:40:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could try primary arms new micro prism, 1x for cqb or 3x for help with positive ID. I have a steiner on 1 and eotech on the other. Eotechs are fast but obviously battery life sucks. The eye relief on the 3x isn't great. The glx 2x has much better eye relief. |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:42:47 AM EDT
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Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x
Sig 716i 16" .308 |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 1:47:28 AM EDT
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my SHTF is a 14.5 w/ a 1-6. probably will move that 1-6 to my 20" gun and pop and ACOG on my 14.5 when I get the funds. In the process of build a "1 rifle to rule them all". It'll be a 16" barrel w/ a 1-6 and offset dot. supressed. Yes long, but I live in BFE. I love me some 10.3 and 11.5 but it just won't cut it where i'm at and how I would go about things if things really hit the fan. That being said. My 11.5 with a rds is my most fun rifle to shoot.
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:14:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my SHTF is a 14.5 w/ a 1-6. probably will move that 1-6 to my 20" gun and pop and ACOG on my 14.5 when I get the funds. In the process of build a "1 rifle to rule them all". It'll be a 16" barrel w/ a 1-6 and offset dot. supressed. Yes long, but I live in BFE. I love me some 10.3 and 11.5 but it just won't cut it where i'm at and how I would go about things if things really hit the fan. That being said. My 11.5 with a rds is my most fun rifle to shoot. Thats kinda what Im aiming for, one go to rifle for whatever may pop up |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:29:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still looking,looking for best all purpose optic I really like my Kahles K18i. |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:41:23 AM EDT
[#45]
Acog TA33 + RMR on top for my 11.5.
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:45:01 AM EDT
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Piggyback RMR on an ACOG.
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:46:49 AM EDT
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LPVO with an RMR is an option to get both.
My 10.5 has a red dot. I figure it's for protection at 200 yards, max, and in. 14.5s and above will get magnification first. |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are those actually? Looks good  AR15 Red Dot 6X Magnifier VS 1-6 LPVO |
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:56:41 AM EDT
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My MK18 has an MRO on it. Works good on 6-8" plates out to 300 yards. Really nice all around rifle with a specwar 556k can and a scout mini on it.
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Posted: 6/30/2022 8:58:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lpvo with an offset dot? I went this route - primarily because when I tried maneuvering in my home with the rifle, the distortion of the 1x vs other eye because of the length of the tube was just disorienting indoors. ran some entry drills this last weekend at the range with this rifle and also one with just the red dot - distances of about 30-60 feet. I found the red-dot was still much more comfortable and quicker, and still all around my choice. Running with the 1x on the lpvo was certainly do-able, just not as smooth. its the little things like having to keep the rifle oriented into the focus area of the optic vs being able to maneuver the rifle and still see the dot, and having a much more complex reticle vs simple dot/circle. one thing with the offset - i found it worked well by itself - rotating 45 degrees was easy enough to do and was comfortable to shoot like that, but then it leads to having a chicken wing position which means exposing the arm more than necessary when slicing the pie. it was pretty awkward when rotating the wrist to keep the arm in. overall, I think i'm either going to dismount the RDS and just work that LPVO like God intended, or have to train a lot more with it to get smooth. |
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