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Posted: 8/5/2023 8:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Yes please |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 8:30:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg  Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 8:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Yes please Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Yes please |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 8:59:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:07:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WhiskersTheCat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:08:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Please sir, he’s already dead!!! |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows Yeah thanks to this thread, I've watched a bunch of his videos and read the reports... The shoulder height drop test thing is better than nothing, but isn't exactly a good overall durability test. It's going to get very inconsistent results, when you only do it on one optic. It could be very misleading. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Please sir, he’s already dead!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChicagoFoodie: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Please sir, he’s already dead!!! 
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Yeah thanks to this thread, I've watched a bunch of his videos and read the reports... The shoulder height drop test thing is better than nothing, but isn't exactly a good overall durability test. It's going to get very inconsistent results, when you only do it on one optic. It could be very misleading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows Yeah thanks to this thread, I've watched a bunch of his videos and read the reports... The shoulder height drop test thing is better than nothing, but isn't exactly a good overall durability test. It's going to get very inconsistent results, when you only do it on one optic. It could be very misleading. Honestly he's the best we've got. I went with an RMR for 3 reasons, guys I've shot with, his tests and made in America. It is very rugged. I opted to do an RMR over a SRO because I value durability over larger and easier. I've done some abuse with mine and it's been great. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 9:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst It was from a Shield Arms S15 Magazine review video (5:48), not a review about the optic, hence it not being discussed during that video. Maybe he should have, but I think that's important context. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 10:28:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg Glock 45 with Radian afterburner and performance trigger is peak Glock. 
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Posted: 8/5/2023 10:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 11:23:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full:  Holosun 507K And here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark:  Shield Arms S15 Magazine He didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 11:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-kD4BRh1AAnd here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkbIHx-yzwHe didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-kD4BRh1AAnd here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkbIHx-yzwHe didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so That's a lot of words to say Holofag |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 11:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: That's a lot of words to say Holofag Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/ae61c3e7-b74e-471d-9d65-7783d8270e76-gif.947181/ Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Aaron Cowan runs Sage Dynamics. I actually really like him for the most part. He wrote a ton of white papers and has standardized durability testing for red dots. He also does comparisons and compiles data. He's honestly one of the best objective sources of information, but he sure ain't perfect. He totally ignored this failure, although I'll give him credit I think it's still up on the video so he didn't blatantly try to hide it, but he wouldn't talk about it which leads me to the conclusion he was compensated. Which is fine, BTW you're never going to get perfect data unless you pay for it and legit give zero shits about the outcome. What kinda makes me butthurt is he hit the SRO for durability, which was totally warranted. We all know the SRO isn't a hardened optic, it's just a fantastic big open view optic. So it breaks I'm fine. In fact it makes sense. I mean I'm sure you've all seen SROs, they're great for shooting but just looking at them you can tell you better not drop them a bunch or abuse them. They're giant circles of glass of course they're going to be less rugged. But he totally ignored this part with Holofag which raised eyebrows @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-kD4BRh1AAnd here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkbIHx-yzwHe didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so That's a lot of words to say Holofag 
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Posted: 8/5/2023 11:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? The difference between the RMR and the RMR HD is where the light sensor was mounted. |
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Posted: 8/5/2023 11:41:07 PM EDT
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 I present the world’s worst optic mounted on the world’s worst pistol (according to the internet). I’ve placed so much misguided faith in this combination I even removed the front sight… 
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Posted: 8/6/2023 1:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: It was from a Shield Arms S15 Magazine review video (5:48), not a review about the optic, hence it not being discussed during that video. Maybe he should have, but I think that's important context. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst It was from a Shield Arms S15 Magazine review video (5:48), not a review about the optic, hence it not being discussed during that video. Maybe he should have, but I think that's important context. I see. It looks like a 507K. I wonder if it's the same one he had already completed the 2,000+ rounds test and several drops with? 507K isn't exactly the most robust pistol optic Holosun makes. It's definitely not going to hold up to abuse, or even routine use, as well as an RMR. They are not even the same category. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 2:12:10 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I see. It looks like a 507K. I wonder if it's the same one he had already completed the 2,000+ rounds test and several drops with? 507K isn't exactly the most robust pistol optic Holosun makes. It's definitely not going to hold up to abuse, or even routine use, as well as an RMR. They are not even the same category. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By DDS87: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: What video is that from? That dude reminds me of Fred Durst It was from a Shield Arms S15 Magazine review video (5:48), not a review about the optic, hence it not being discussed during that video. Maybe he should have, but I think that's important context. I see. It looks like a 507K. I wonder if it's the same one he had already completed the 2,000+ rounds test and several drops with? 507K isn't exactly the most robust pistol optic Holosun makes. It's definitely not going to hold up to abuse, or even routine use, as well as an RMR. They are not even the same category. It is. He often does long-term reviews of optics that pass his initial 2,000 round review process. He continues with the same protocol - using the optic to manipulate the slide off barricades, dropping it every 500 rounds, confirming it held zero, etc. It’s all kept recorded and organized in his white paper I posted earlier, keeping track of round counts and issues/breakages. Here are his 10,000 round reviews of a RMR Type 2, Holosun 509T, and Aimpoint ACRO:  Trijicon RMR Type 2 Extended Review  Holosun 509T at 10K rounds  Aimpoint ACRO at 10K Rounds And here’s a 20,000 round review of a RMR Type 2, likely the same one from the 10,000 round review:  Trijicon Type 2 RMR at 20K Not an optic, but related to all of these reviews - here’s his video on his Agency Arms G17 after 100,000 rounds:  Agency Arms Full Build at 100K Rounds He always adds the disclaimer that he doesn’t “review” anything from Agency Arms and I think made the same disclaimer about the FN 509 pistol because he was sponsored/financially compensated by those companies for his input and assistance |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 2:16:53 AM EDT
[#23]
Regarding the 507K not being as robust as the RMR - more recently he decided to split up his review process for pistol optics into “duty” and “carry” use, the duty optics being the ones expected to be more robust and durable. The review process is basically the same except only the duty tested optics get dropped every 500 rounds. When he reviewed the 507K, he hadn’t made that delineation between duty and carry optics so during the initial 2,000 round review he still dropped it every 500 rounds, and during the process of that initial review nothing broke or failed
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Posted: 8/6/2023 2:38:48 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Regarding the 507K not being as robust as the RMR - more recently he decided to split up his review process for pistol optics into “duty” and “carry” use, the duty optics being the ones expected to be more robust and durable. The review process is basically the same except only the duty tested optics get dropped every 500 rounds. When he reviewed the 507K, he hadn’t made that delineation between duty and carry optics so during the initial 2,000 round review he still dropped it every 500 rounds, and during the process of that initial review nothing broke or failed Yeah I watched his info on it... The comments I made before are my opinion, based on the fact that I own multiple RMRs and multiple 507Ks. I'm no expert by any means, but I have owned multiple designs by both trijicon and Holosun, for a few years now, and shoot them multiple times a month on pistols or rifles. I recently had a button go bad on a 507K, it's the only Holosun I've had to send in for warranty work so far. Generally speaking, I would not be afraid to use any Trijicon or Holosun for CC and to defend myself. Of those I've tried, here's my take on durability/reliability: 1. RMR 2. 509T 3. 507C 4. 507K 5. SRO |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 3:34:24 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Generally speaking, I would not be afraid to use any Trijicon or Holosun for CC and to defend myself. This is pretty much what it boils down to. I’m not advocating anyone who’s currently got a RMR on their pistol should ditch it for a Holosun product, Trijicon makes good shit. My only point is despite any animosity towards the country of origin/manufacture - duly warranted, in much case - Holosun isn’t trash. I don’t have a problem with people hating things, people, places, or anything. I just think it’d be nice if they were factually accurate while doing so. I’m done though, I’ve said my piece. If I’m ever on the range with anyone here and the opportunity comes up y’all are more than welcome to as much trigger time on the X-Five as you please. That includes you, Whiskers 
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Posted: 8/6/2023 6:02:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/26DD55FA-3D2D-4480-BD3B-80F7CAF21B5D-2909931.jpg I present the world’s worst optic mounted on the world’s worst pistol (according to the internet). I’ve placed so much misguided faith in this combination I even removed the front sight… https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcDl3YnE0M3prYjV2YjR2aXU3eHRpYmVmZTl1eGZseWh3a2h4czFjZSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3CU5tmCJy8zMoN3mMD/giphy.gif  That's not a P320 |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:11:30 AM EDT
[#27]
What’s the latest take on the EFLX?
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:22:37 AM EDT
[#28]
In on page 87
 just got an Echelon and in the market for something. If I've got an unlimited budget and want the best, what do I want? |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:29:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: The difference between the RMR and the RMR HD is where the light sensor was mounted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? The difference between the RMR and the RMR HD is where the light sensor was mounted. That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR already have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because my knowledge is incomplete. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:33:08 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. It would adjust for the light at the gun's position, not the target. The HD model now adjusts based on light at the target. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:33:56 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: In on page 87 just got an Echelon and in the market for something. If I've got an unlimited budget and want the best, what do I want? RMR flavor of your choice. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:35:26 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Virginia_Shooter: RMR flavor of your choice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Virginia_Shooter: Originally Posted By right_rudder: In on page 87 just got an Echelon and in the market for something. If I've got an unlimited budget and want the best, what do I want? RMR flavor of your choice. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:42:57 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-kD4BRh1AAnd here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkbIHx-yzwHe didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so Have you broken an optic? |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:52:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: It would adjust for the light at the gun's position, not the target. The HD model now adjusts based on light at the target. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. It would adjust for the light at the gun's position, not the target. The HD model now adjusts based on light at the target. Thank you. That’s a big difference. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 8:53:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Thank you. That’s a big difference. You're welcome! |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 10:46:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. Manual transmission too. I wanna have his babies. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:38:52 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Manual transmission too. I wanna have his babies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. Manual transmission too. I wanna have his babies. Meh, MOS is gay as fuck. Good luck reproducing.
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Posted: 8/6/2023 12:00:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rudukai13]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JASIRR: Have you broken an optic? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JASIRR: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: @WhiskersTheCat I’m sorry, all this time I thought you were speaking on this subject from a fully informed position. Apparently I was wrong. He didn’t ignore it, it didn’t happen during his initial 2,000 round review of that optic. That’s a Holosun 507K. Here’s his video review in full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-kD4BRh1AAnd here’s his review of the Shield Arms S15 magazine, which is where that GIF is from. The failure happens at about the 5:50 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkbIHx-yzwHe didn’t talk about it in the S15 magazine review because it wasn’t prosaic to the topic of that video. The lens failure happened during his long-term review process of the optic, after continuing to put rounds, drops, manipulations, and other abuse on it. If you’ve watched his other long-term optic reviews, he himself states that similar or worse failures have happened with Trijicon, other Holosun, Aimpoint, and plenty of other otherwise highly regarded manufacturer’s products. Mechanical shit breaks, especially when you use it as roughly as he does. And a sample size of one isn’t data. That’s why I posted his most recent white paper, which does provide actual data showing that Holosun is at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon products, or that Trijicon is as prone to failures as Holosun optics. God forbid anyone in GD actually take the time to read and analyze something longer than a paragraph though. His data-driven white paper is where I get my current list of acceptably reliable duty-rated optics, which is (in no particular order): Trijicon RMR, Trijicon SRO w/ Jagerwerks BROS, Trijicon RMRcc, any Holosun, Aimpoint Acro, Steiner MPS, Sig Romeo 2. And now for all evidence you can add Trijicon’s RMR HD and RCR to that list. I don’t dislike Trijicon, they make good shit. And yeah, it’d be nice if Holosun was based in the US. You can dislike that it’s a Chinese-owned company, you can dislike that it’s made in China. But objective, data-driven evidence is that their products are at least as reliable and durable as Trijicon’s optics, and stating otherwise is simply factually incorrect - regardless of how many out-of-context GIFs you post. Wanting something to suck doesn’t make it so Have you broken an optic? Nope ETA: Well, that’s not entirely true. Haven’t broken any Holosun optics. I started fucking around with pistol-mounted RDS back when Sig had first introduced their Romeo 1 sight and it was coming pre-installed on various P320 models. That thing was junk, and I had multiple problems with them. No issues since using Holosun though |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 3:48:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR already have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because my knowledge is incomplete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? The difference between the RMR and the RMR HD is where the light sensor was mounted. That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR already have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because my knowledge is incomplete. No, but the technology is the same. The RMR has its light sensor near the emitter to adjust the intensity depending how much light is entering near the emitter. The RMR HD has that same light sensor but mounted in the front to see how much ambient light is coming from the direction of the target. The question raised was Browe Optics using this technology before Trijicon. The question would be when did Browe Optics use this technology and does it predate when Trijicon was using it for their first LED RMR? |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 3:56:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Meh, MOS is gay as fuck. Good luck reproducing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. Manual transmission too. I wanna have his babies. Meh, MOS is gay as fuck. Good luck reproducing. If he was using the Glock plates then you might be right. But he is using the FCD plate which is Elite tier. FCD plates give a nice transition from slide to optic. Also negates the use of the sealing plate since the platform seals the type 1&2 with out it. Plate is made from high end steel. His pistol is good to go. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 4:22:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: If he was using the Glock plates then you might be right. But he is using the FCD plate which is Elite tier. FCD plates give a nice transition from slide to optic. Also negates the use of the sealing plate since the platform seals the type 1&2 with out it. Plate is made from high end steel. His pistol is good to go. Yep. FCD is good kit, and good people on top of it. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 5:39:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Change_Username: What’s the latest take on the EFLX? Most reviewers worth listening to have not been impressed |
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Posted: 8/7/2023 5:35:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: No, but the technology is the same. The RMR has its light sensor near the emitter to adjust the intensity depending how much light is entering near the emitter. The RMR HD has that same light sensor but mounted in the front to see how much ambient light is coming from the direction of the target. The question raised was Browe Optics using this technology before Trijicon. The question would be when did Browe Optics use this technology and does it predate when Trijicon was using it for their first LED RMR? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By SIASL: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By NorCalRT: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By SIASL: Whoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy It appears to be real but who knows these days. Also this RMR HD with the big window. People are all excited for the top load battery of the RMR HD and I want is for this to work as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_3095-2898080.jpg Browe Optics should sue Trijicon. Their prism optic has been doing that for years. Wait…wut? Wasn’t Browe Optics started by a former Trijicon engineer/employee? Their 4x is dang near a copy of the ACOG. The joke here is that Trijicon sues everyone for anything that might be similar to something they do. Browe was a Triji employee who wanted to push the tech envelope with ACOGs (battery op and other tech) and was told “NO”. So he left, and designed his own scope that was battery operated and adjusted the reticle brightness to the light level of the target. Now Triji is taking his reticle brightness adjusting idea and putting it into a pistol optic. Hence Browe should sue Triji. I love my TA33, but the Browe 4x I owned had unbelievable glass and the reticle tech worked. Uhm, the RMR has had auto adjust for quite some time now. The battery operated RMRs have auto adjust that adjusts to light levels at the target? The difference between the RMR and the RMR HD is where the light sensor was mounted. That doesn’t answer my question. Did the battery operated RMR already have auto adjust that adjusted the reticle brightness to compensate for light levels at the target? This isn’t a trick question, I’m asking because my knowledge is incomplete. No, but the technology is the same. The RMR has its light sensor near the emitter to adjust the intensity depending how much light is entering near the emitter. The RMR HD has that same light sensor but mounted in the front to see how much ambient light is coming from the direction of the target. The question raised was Browe Optics using this technology before Trijicon. The question would be when did Browe Optics use this technology and does it predate when Trijicon was using it for their first LED RMR? No. The question was “who used the technology to detect light levels AT THE TARGET and auto adjusted the optic’s reticle to compensate?” That was Browe. They did it in a prism optic, so I doubt there were any patents violated by Trijicon. |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 11:09:49 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Do you want me to find the clip where Stoeger talks about that happening with an SRO? |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 11:41:16 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Do you want me to find the clip where Stoeger talks about that happening with an SRO? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Do you want me to find the clip where Stoeger talks about that happening with an SRO? It’s not worth it man. Trust me |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 12:00:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Meh, MOS is gay as fuck. Good luck reproducing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg M81 shorts, check. Glock 45 (on the list of acceptable pistols), check. Trijicon red dot on pistol, check. Welcome to the Citizen Elite. Manual transmission too. I wanna have his babies. Meh, MOS is gay as fuck. Good luck reproducing. Is this better  ??
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Posted: 8/8/2023 12:02:24 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Do you want me to find the clip where Stoeger talks about that happening with an SRO? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Do u want me to post the gif where the lens flew out and he ignored it Do you want me to find the clip where Stoeger talks about that happening with an SRO? Sure I believe that that's why I bought the more rugged RMR Holofags btfo yet again |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 12:25:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Sure I believe that that's why I bought the more rugged RMR Holofags btfo yet again 45 seconds into this video.  The SRO is dead to me To bad simping your gear won't make you any better at shooting it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 12:35:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: If he was using the Glock plates then you might be right. But he is using the FCD plate which is Elite tier. FCD plates give a nice transition from slide to optic. Also negates the use of the sealing plate since the platform seals the type 1&2 with out it. Plate is made from high end steel. His pistol is good to go.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/8/2023 1:02:59 PM EDT
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