How the fuck is normalizing 1.5 million illegal immigrants a step in the right direction.

It is amazing how many members here spew Democrat talking points.

There’s a lot of stuff Biden can do that costs zero money but none of it is politically acceptable to democrats.

So you're too lazy to take the 5 minutes too look up the actual numbers?

Weird we didn't need a pork laden border deal to stem the flow even though the Trump admin was fighting against progressive judges legislating from the bench and the msm demonizing them against every step he took.    

You have to stop watching FOX and NBC, shit will rot your brain man.

This was a really really bad deal through the context of actually doing something about the border.

The union wanted money?

lol

In the end, most supporters of the bill only really cared about the American tax dollars being sent to zelensky.    

What do you call building nearly 500 miles of border wall and enacting remain in Mexico?

People who think that this was some sort of good deal are either plants or they have not actually bothered to look at what it did.

There is no good reason to put any immigration issue solely within the DC federal district court. One of the most corrupt, partisan court circuits in the country that routinely hands down looney tune rulings favorable to the deep state.

There is no good reason to hand amnesty-granting authority to the secretary of DHS.

These two measures alone would be grounds to vote against it because it completely undermines any check or balance on immigration. And if you don't see how letting Mayorkas just decide who he can basically fast-track to citizenship and then force every question challenging that into the DC circuit then you're not informed enough to even have this conversation.

It's a union.

A federal employee union at that.

Relying on a federal employee union to tell the truth is like betting everything on Kamala getting a triple digit IQ.

Hopefully Ukraine gets that funding and weapons asap

^^^ Word.

I would call 500 miles of wall political theater designed to make folks think he actually did something! Building walls that look impressive on news reports while tunnels are underneath to shuttle migrants and drugs in. This crap has been getting worse for 40 years during which both parties had total control in Washington and nothing was done! It’s all a game of which party can make the other party look bad! Nothing will be done no matter who is in the White House! Sure, they will boast of their plans and such, but in the end nothing will be done!

Yes.

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The bill made it WORSE, there was nothing in that bill that was good.

You complain that nothing will be done, trump actually did something.   His actions forced Mexico to stem the flood of immigrants and the 500 miles with border wall are able to be secured with a fraction of the manpower now.   The remain in Mexico policy crashed the number of getaways since they weren't allowed in the country at all.

all they tried to do with the bill was speed up the process allowing the illegals to vote.

I'll take nothing over less than nothing. That bill was poison, and I'd MUCH prefer to go hungry over being actively poisoned.

Nobody wanted to listen when they were told that changing the Speaker wouldn't make a damn bit of difference but yet here we are. Votes are votes and the GOP doesn't have enough in either chamber of Congress to force things through. This is why winning elections is important and also why some GOP members eating their own is counterproductive.

This ,  two items that basically got ignored .

Oh yeah, we are flying pallets of cash to Zelenskyy and dumping those on the Russians

Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and didn't do shit about the border. Only an idiot thinks they care about illegal immagration for anything other than a campaign talking point. Are you really surprised that they fucked that up too?

It's not the money, its the fact that it does Jack Shit about the border, except funding more personnel to process more illegals faster.

Our elected officials no longer work for us.

Meh, you were the first person to reply to the other thread on this bill, crowing about it.    

I think your exact post was:

"Good.

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DUR we want fewer illegal aliens and the people who we pay to catch illegal aliens say they need to have more money to catch illegal aliens!? Must be deep state bureaucrats!

Everything CBP has is at the southern border. That's no money for training, equipment, recruitment, interdicting fent or illegals elsewhere, anything else right now.

The argument that this bill is supported by Border Patrol agents because they're worried about lining their pockets is the dumbest goddamn thing in GD this week, and that's a high bar.

Here's the letter the CBP commissioner put out:

“CBP Leaders,

As you have likely heard by now, yesterday the Senate released a bipartisan national security agreement. To better respond to the volume of encounters we have seen in recent years, we need more resources and stronger enforcement tools than currently available to manage migration at the border.

This proposed legislation would provide the strongest set of tools we have had in decades to effectively manage migration and enhance our nation’s border security. The primary enforcement changes in this agreement include the Border Emergency Authority that would deem individuals who cross the border at times of high encounters ineligible for asylum and order them summarily removed, changes to strengthen the Credible Fear interviews so that only individuals who are more likely to be eligible for asylum are favorably screened to continue in the process, and a new accelerated provisional removal process that will eventually enable asylum claims to be adjudicated in a matter of months not years.  

Critically, this agreement would provide much-needed resources to our frontline personnel, with over $6.8B in supplemental funding for CBP alone. This includes funding for over 1,500 new Agents, Officers, and mission support personnel as well as funding for the recently increased GS-12 Border Patrol Agent overtime pay. The bill also includes important new funding for Non-Intrusive Inspection systems, Automated Surveillance Towers, and other key items to improve our ability to perform our missions. In addition, the proposal significantly increases resources for USCIS and ICE to expand their capacity to screen, transport, detain, and remove individuals who cross the border unlawfully at sufficient scale to match recent encounter levels.

Together, these tools and resources would enable us to maximize consequences against those who unlawfully enter the country, maintain order and security at the border, and appropriately prioritize our essential national security and public safety missions.  

These proposed changes won’t fix everything in our immigration system. But they are tough and fair. And, if enacted into law, they would make meaningful and substantial improvements to our nation’s border and national security.

As leaders across our agency, I wanted to share these highlights with you now as this legislation moves forward in Congress.  

Thank you for everything you do each day.”

Troy A. Miller
Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Commissioner

Here's the head of the BP Council last week when they were hardworking staunch patriots betrayed by the administration and before this week when they were identified as an untrustworthy counterrevolutionary element:

https://www.newsweek.com/border-patrol-union-praise-greg-abbott-migrants-texas-eagle-pass-1860837

Same guy Trump trotted out repeatedly to endorse his proposals:

https://apnews.com/article/eb348270991d4d238e6aa83f18930263

I don't know much about the details of the changes in asylum law - and from the dumbass talking points I see here I don't think many other folks do either - but if The Cult and The Squad are against this bill that's powerful evidence it's something useful for the country.

The highest peak in illegal encounters in the last 15 years before Biden was spring of '19 under....drum roll...



If presidential policy and executive actions are such a critical element in securing the southern border we should go ask Obama what he was doing, seems like he was pretty good at it?

Clearly.

Which is why no amount of bleating from any public employee union is worth even paying attention to.

It's a deliberate tactic and I don't give two tiny fucks what a union leader says, it's a fucking terrible idea and selling out the entire country so that they get more budget in the short term is borderline to treason.

Because it was getting aid out to Ukraine and Israel.

The border aspect needs to be cut and dropped.

Good

During Trump Lisa needs braces so let’s say nice things and get the members more funding.

Not as good as Trump.

Trump brings record low border crossings without giving amnesty

Border Patrol apprehended 303,916 undocumented migrants near the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal year 2017. That was the lowest annual total since 1972. This is part of a long-term trend of declining apprehensions at the border. In 13 of the last 16 years (and 9 of the last 10), the annual number of migrants apprehended by Border Patrol has consistently ranked lower than the previous three-year average. And according to CBP’s best estimates, the number of migrants who evade apprehension has also been shrinking.

This year saw 26 percent fewer migrants than 2016. The drop began after Donald Trump’s inauguration: February, March, and April saw the fewest monthly apprehensions since at least 2000, when Border Patrol makes monthly records available, and probably since the 1970s.

You should actually try and learn something about the SW border.

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Yeah, I'm sure you know a lot more about it than they do. I bet you have a really deep grasp of the issues from all the reading you've done on it.

I'm glad you and your leftist friends are on the same page on this one.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-ocasio-cortez-immigration-bill-border-b2491144.html

You should actually look at the chart I posted and then try actually reading the article you actually linked:

"After April 2017, monthly totals of migrant apprehensions stopped dropping. Though the “Trump effect” hasn’t totally faded, the number of apprehensions in September 2017 resembles the number in September 2014, and may continue to increase."

We will be able to send so much money to foreign countries when America becomes functionally identical to the shithole countries we are sending money to

At $0.50/round it would cost maybe $5 to secure the southern border.

Is there anything in the bill about paying employees more other than authorizing more OT so BP can, you know, staff posts? You guys think the agents are getting a lot of personal satisfaction from having new surveillance towers or something?

I mean, I'm pretty sure this whole argument is just a made-up jerk-off throw-away thing designed to be regurgitated by the rubes but I'm open to hearing some evidence that it isn't.

This right here.

You mean like, we have to pass the bill before we can read it, Nancy? That bill deserved to be torched. And so will the replacement from the Dims, may fuck be upon them. Speaker Johnson was absolutely right to pan it.

Cosplaying as the smartest guy in GD isn’t exactly impressive

Do you have an answer to the question in the post you quoted?

THIS MY FRIENDS IS WHAT THE TRUTH LOOKS LIKE!

White House says ICE will reduce deportations, detention capacity if Republicans don't pass border bill https://t.co/FWHhnID29B

Fox News  (@FoxNews) February 7, 2024

Mitch put 3 conservatives on the court and blocked Trump’s AWB.  

He’s good to go in my book.

Ah yes, when caravans were put together by some unknown force for completely legitimate reasons with funding coming from God knows where?

I might engage in good faith conversation if you didn’t act like an asshole, but it’s par for the course in GD these days. If usernames were turned off this post could just as well have been made by Ryan_Ruck, Shenanigunz, ArmyInfantryVet, Top_Secret, bullet_sponge…… and no one could possibly tell the difference. Just the same “everyone here is a rube…except me.”

Must be slim social pickins to hang out with a bunch of people you think are complete retards

It’s all so tiresome

Boom

LOL

So no, you don't have an answer. That's all you had to say.