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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:56:33 PM EDT
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If they end up causing a javilin to be expended I suspect the Russins will chalk it up to a win.
There's a lot of talk about 155 and Stinger production, what's the deal with Javi production? Or are they keeping that info close to the vest UNlike damn near everything else? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think anyone thinks Russia will fold any day. But using T-55s & 54s isn't what I would consider a measure of success. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, Russia is out of tanks, they're out of missiles, they're out of artillery, they can't make drones because they can't get components, the sanctions have crippled their economy, most of their army has been killed, Ukraine's Spring offensive is going to take Crimea, and the revolt will depose Putin. Looks like Russia will fold any day now. I don't think anyone thinks Russia will fold any day. But using T-55s & 54s isn't what I would consider a measure of success. If they are being used to train tankers and mechanics as well as perform checkpoint security adn convoy escort, that could free up new tanks to be used ... like tanks. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just an observation, but did anyone ever wonder why the armies in the Book of Revelation are on horseback? Food for thought. So you think Putin will be activating Cossack cav and Mongolian hordes? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:59:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if the T-55s are still the old 100mm gun or did they up them to 120mms? Doesn't matter if they have a better gun, I'd imagine they still have shit fire control and would be outgunned at range by western tanks/drones. Does the modern Russian army use tanks as smash and penetrate in homogenous corps (Soviet era doctrine), or do they use them as infantry support in mixed units? Think the T55 would be decent in the latter role, provided the infantry can keep ATGMs off them. The tank in your pocket is better than the artillery you left at home, lol. I can't see the Russians coordinating that well though.  More than likely the 100mm guns.....they still have plenty of that type of ammo |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:05:25 PM EDT
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They are good enough for infantry support, better than the other side having little to no infantry support. Most tanks never see tank to tank battles anymore. German tanks were better than Russian tanks during ww2. But were they 100-1 better? I'm guessing that's the idea here.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMust be near a Night Vision MFG.....
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why Tanks? The Taliban didn't need tanks to win. So all Russia has to do is fight an insurgency for 20 years and wait for Ukraine to leave Ukraine? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMeatball Surprise! |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 3:22:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think anyone thinks Russia will fold any day. But using T-55s & 54s isn't what I would consider a measure of success. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, Russia is out of tanks, they're out of missiles, they're out of artillery, they can't make drones because they can't get components, the sanctions have crippled their economy, most of their army has been killed, Ukraine's Spring offensive is going to take Crimea, and the revolt will depose Putin. Looks like Russia will fold any day now. I don't think anyone thinks Russia will fold any day. But using T-55s & 54s isn't what I would consider a measure of success. It's just proof of the reality that this war has turned into a WWI style attrition grind. Lots of people will die and neither side will likely be able to beat the other... Oh, Russia, being bigger, could wear down Ukraine eventually even with Western aid. But it's going to cost them pretty much everything they have. If Russia does win, in the future people will use the term "Putinic victory" to mean a more extreme version of a Pyrrhic victory. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:24:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you think Putin will be activating Cossack cav and Mongolian hordes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just an observation, but did anyone ever wonder why the armies in the Book of Revelation are on horseback? Food for thought. So you think Putin will be activating Cossack cav and Mongolian hordes? I thought Cossacks were Ukrainian. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Cossacks were Ukrainian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just an observation, but did anyone ever wonder why the armies in the Book of Revelation are on horseback? Food for thought. So you think Putin will be activating Cossack cav and Mongolian hordes? I thought Cossacks were Ukrainian. I thought Cossacks were from Kazakhstan (Kazaks). |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It keeps up, Putin will be digging up WW2 T34s next..... From 2014 but worth a watch. Firing up an IS-3 that was on static display.  Ukraine. Pro-Russian activists repaired museum exhibit - tank IS-3. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:42:31 PM EDT
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 Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather have 1500 old tanks than no tanks. Imagine if NATO could have provided 1500 M-48 Patton mbts to the ukrs. FIFY. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:44:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat the hell is that |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:46:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell is that  New Russian Abomination - MTLB with a Naval AA gun |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:48:39 PM EDT
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Quote Historysort of want jpeg |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. I enjoy seeing this. This war is the only worthwhile thing my tax dollars have been spent on since I was 18. I'm in my mid 40s now. I feel the same way. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why Tanks? The Taliban didn't need tanks to win. Different terrain. Tanks aren't much in the Hindu kush. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 4:56:09 PM EDT
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SOON:
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:00:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasting our equipment and lives in the mid east is something I don't really support. If they only grew carrots there no one would give a shit. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GET RID OF THE A-10, IT CAN'T KILL MODERN TANKS!!!!!!! But it can kill the old shit it was originally supposed to kill, so it's a win! If A-10s ever need to go against Russia, of course. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:08:07 PM EDT
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Wake me when they pull out the land battleships, the T-35 and smaller T-28 out. Neat if they pulled out any surviving T-26 and BT-7s. All the aforementioned tank belong in museums. The T-35 barely got out of Moscow to fight the Germans in 1941 when they broke down. Soviet Stronk!
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wake me when they pull out the land battleships, the T-35 and smaller T-28 out. Neat if they pulled out any surviving T-26 and BT-7s. All the aforementioned tank belong in museums. The T-35 barely got out of Moscow to fight the Germans in 1941 when they broke down. Soviet Stronk! Fuck, they'll be riding howdah-mounted elephants before it's over. 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shhhh .now the Ukraines will request A10s in their next support aid package. And the US might have an excuse now to give it to them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GET RID OF THE A-10, IT CAN'T KILL MODERN TANKS!!!!!!! But it can kill the old shit it was originally supposed to kill, so it's a win! If A-10s ever need to go against Russia, of course. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:13:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Cossacks were Ukrainian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just an observation, but did anyone ever wonder why the armies in the Book of Revelation are on horseback? Food for thought. So you think Putin will be activating Cossack cav and Mongolian hordes? I thought Cossacks were Ukrainian. No. Cossacks had Crimea and the area around it before Catherine the Great took it for Russia (not U-Crane). Historically the area in dispute belong to Russia after the Cossacks lost it. It was only given to U-Crane by Kruschev while the population was predominantly Russian. Oh well, so long as we don't become further involved and get noo-clar war. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:14:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:19:19 PM EDT
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Apparently the Czechs built the last one in 1983. Russia quit in '79. Pretty impressive for what is essentially WW2 tech.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Russia is out of tanks, they're out of missiles, they're out of artillery, they can't make drones because they can't get components, the sanctions have crippled their economy, most of their army has been killed, Ukraine's Spring offensive is going to take Crimea, and the revolt will depose Putin. Looks like Russia will fold any day now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Russia is out of tanks, they're out of missiles, they're out of artillery, they can't make drones because they can't get components, the sanctions have crippled their economy, most of their army has been killed, Ukraine's Spring offensive is going to take Crimea, and the revolt will depose Putin. Looks like Russia will fold any day now. Two more weeks! Dailymail is so riddled with trackers and what not, I can't even access it. "Found"... How the hell do you forget where you put 30 tanks, Belgium isn't even a large Country. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The T-54's & T-55's were being knocked out by LAW's anti-tank rockets to the rear engine deck at An Loc, Vietnam in 1972. Not a great weapon. Even a modern tank is likely going to be at least mobility killed by that, if the M1s in Iraq that were immobilized by high angle heavy machinegun fire from highrise buildings through the engine deck are any indication. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:36:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wake me when they pull out the land battleships, the T-35 and smaller T-28 out. Neat if they pulled out any surviving T-26 and BT-7s. All the aforementioned tank belong in museums. The T-35 barely got out of Moscow to fight the Germans in 1941 when they broke down. Soviet Stronk! This picture of object 279 was passed around early on in the war. The claim was its a new Russian super tank.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the mighty fall. The soviet union was a military super power that devoted 50% of its gdp to arms manufacturing. Practically giving arms away to its allies. Now the russians are reduced to begging ammo from tiny little north korea and drones from iran. Now they are scraping the barrel for obsolete tanks. Incredible how the former giants fall. This plus the inevitable corruption in the Russian federation has led to an absolute disaster in UKR. Excellent
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Russia is out of tanks, they're out of missiles, they're out of artillery, they can't make drones because they can't get components, the sanctions have crippled their economy, most of their army has been killed, Ukraine's Spring offensive is going to take Crimea, and the revolt will depose Putin. Looks like Russia will fold any day now. On the brake fluid again comrade? Just for you!  National Anthem: Russia - ??????´????????? ???? ?????´????? ??????´??? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It keeps up, Putin will be digging up WW2 T34s next..... Do you think they still keep a stock of them? There's probably at least a couple hundred as monuments. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This picture of object 279 was passed around early on in the war. The claim was its a new Russian super tank. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/maxresdefault-8-2913987.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wake me when they pull out the land battleships, the T-35 and smaller T-28 out. Neat if they pulled out any surviving T-26 and BT-7s. All the aforementioned tank belong in museums. The T-35 barely got out of Moscow to fight the Germans in 1941 when they broke down. Soviet Stronk! This picture of object 279 was passed around early on in the war. The claim was its a new Russian super tank. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/maxresdefault-8-2913987.jpg It was green in 2021, and the paint was fresh. I think that's an old photo. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryExcept he is not wrong. How many article have we read last year that said Russia was out of ammo, out of men and out of time. I remember when there was a article claiming the Wagner PMC was out of ammo so they used shovels. Garbage journalism ends up making people question things but I guess it is easier just to call everyone a comrade right? Comrade 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:26:41 PM EDT
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Farmers in France have the iron harvest
 Farmers in Ukraine have the steel harvest  |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:29:54 PM EDT
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Rumors of m60s being refurbished to go to Ukraine.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 6:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except he is not wrong. How many article have we read last year that said Russia was out of ammo, out of men and out of time. I remember when there was a article claiming the Wagner PMC was out of ammo so they used shovels. Garbage journalism ends up making people question things but I guess it is easier just to call everyone a comrade right? Comrade https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1138348860.3150/fposter,small,wall_texture,product,750x1000.u1.jpg It’s not so much a matter of out of as replacements are sub optimal. The professional troops are killed so volunteers and then conscripts replace them. The equipment gets older, the shells less reliable. You can continue a long time under such circumstances. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:01:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Yep them ruskies, the biggest damn threat to the world we have ever seen. Well worth those billions and billions we've shoveled over there.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:03:36 PM EDT
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Why not? It’s not like these are involved in massive Kursk tank-on-tank battles. These things are shelling positions like a mobile artillery platform and going against trenches, buildings, and APCs.
I don’t believe the media and think that things aren’t as positive for Ukraine as we are hearing. The anti-tank missiles kill their newer tanks just as easily as the older ones…they probably have tons of parts for the older ones and I’m sure they are easier to train on. They probably have millions of unused rounds for them as well. Pull back your newer tech and let these things be out there for a few weeks and get popped rather than your good stuff. Given their current scenerio, it’s a win-win. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even a modern tank is likely going to be at least mobility killed by that, if the M1s in Iraq that were immobilized by high angle heavy machinegun fire from highrise buildings through the engine deck are any indication.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:09:55 PM EDT
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Voted troll thread for Ukraine propaganda.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except he is not wrong. How many article have we read last year that said Russia was out of ammo, out of men and out of time. I remember when there was a article claiming the Wagner PMC was out of ammo so they used shovels. Garbage journalism ends up making people question things but I guess it is easier just to call everyone a comrade right? Comrade https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1138348860.3150/fposter,small,wall_texture,product,750x1000.u1.jpg Would you prefer tovarisch? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:14:28 PM EDT
[#45]
That shitbox would last about 30 seconds in the air over Ukraine. Modern air defenses would shred it so fast it would make your head spin.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just an observation, but did anyone ever wonder why the armies in the Book of Revelation are on horseback? Food for thought. You guys don’t miss a chance. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather have 1500 old tanks than no tanks. Imagine if NATO could have provided 1500 mbts to the ukrs. Yep Russia can't nuke all of us... |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:05:49 PM EDT
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I understand that both sides are using their old tanks as short ranged artillery most of the time.
Tanks suck as artillery pieces but they're probably adequate for shelling some treeline or little village while allowing your real artillery to concentrate on higher priority targets, given how thinly resources must be stretched along that 750 mile frontline |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:08:16 PM EDT
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I told ya'll UKR didn't stand a chance with out NATO direct involvement.
RUS is just gonna keep throwing old shit and bodies into the meat grinder until UKR runs out of people |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:13:14 PM EDT
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Can you even how excited Patton would be right now?
It'd be like a gorilla snorting testosterone let loose in the White House. They'd need to clean up his froth with a shop vac. |
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