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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:26:52 AM EDT
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I, for one, look forward to returning to the Constitutional vision of standing up an army every time there’s a war and disbanding it immediately after. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:26:57 AM EDT
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Yep your brilliance is unimpeachable. I marvel at it in awe and humility Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So in other words you got nothing and resort to a logical fallacy. Gee I wish I could say I was brilliant, but clearly that is not required in this instance. Maybe if I post a link with the exact same information but with a seal that will make all the difference lol. You made a claim that isolationism didn't stop PH when any historical record shows we were actively engaged in countering Japan leading up to the attack...we will not even get into the 1940 draft and all the war preparations, or our involvement with Lend lease in early 41. We were gearing up for war, this is not in dispute. You're simply being exceptionally obtuse for some reason. 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:29:18 AM EDT
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This is the kind of stupidity Mattis was dealing with:
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:29:54 AM EDT
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This is the kind of stupidity Mattis was dealing with: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59063/8wh80inlhf521_png-779721.JPG How the hell can you blame Mattis for any of this? and it's not trolling, dude is legit retarded |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:33:39 AM EDT
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Let him retire. Jim was kinda a let down. Fags, homos, cross-testicles still parading in our Armed Forces. Not what I expected from him. He is a warrior and it's time to retire. He deserves a good retirement.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:35:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:37:56 AM EDT
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Mattis Puts Trump's Presidency in Peril The Author, Eli Lake was on Batchelor tonight. He was not optimistic about this resignation or Trump's presidency going forward. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mattis Puts Trump's Presidency in Peril The strong implication here is that Mattis no longer believes the president thinks allies should be respected. He is resigning because he does not believe Trump agrees with him that America should work to preserve a liberal international order. He is resigning because Trump is not as resolute and unambiguous with America's adversaries as Mattis believes he should be. In other words: This is not about policy. It's about values and, according to his letter, Mattis no longer believes the president shares his values. A bunch of people seem to think that Trump needs to be more like Bush with a catastrophic war dominating his agenda and an approval rating in the 20s. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:46:23 AM EDT
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Um, not letting Iran and Russia dominate Syria, Iraq and the rest of the Levant. Saddam was an asshole that deserved to get his neck stretched but he hated Iran, and things were stable for better than a decade after GW1. We always get bit by the unintended consequences. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:47:39 AM EDT
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Let him retire. Jim was kinda a let down. Fags, homos, cross-testicles still parading in our Armed Forces. Not what I expected from him. He is a warrior and it's time to retire. He deserves a good retirement. Nothing has changed. 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:58:02 AM EDT
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Meh, Mattis didn’t walk on water in my opinion.
He let a fuck ton of SJW shit happen in the military, didn’t advance Afghanistan, and isis still exists. He was a politician, just the same as all genersl officers are. Next tool won’t do any better, but Mattis sure didn’t drain any swamps or kick much ass as promised. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:58:21 AM EDT
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lol you better check your timeline commie or do you even know what I am talking about?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm conflicted. I liked mattis, I also dont mind seeing Joes come home to their families with all of their arms and legs. I think there are wars worth fighting, but we need to choose them carefully and get out as quickly as we can. So leaving Syria doesn't bother me...it also doesn't mean we can go back if need be or just adjust our foot print as needed. If ISIS wasn't the reason we were there...what geopolitical imperative was worth our effort? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:00:00 AM EDT
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Yep your brilliance is unimpeachable. I marvel at it in awe and humility Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So in other words you got nothing and resort to a logical fallacy. Gee I wish I could say I was brilliant, but clearly that is not required in this instance. Maybe if I post a link with the exact same information but with a seal that will make all the difference lol. You made a claim that isolationism didn't stop PH when any historical record shows we were actively engaged in countering Japan leading up to the attack...we will not even get into the 1940 draft and all the war preparations, or our involvement with Lend lease in early 41. We were gearing up for war, this is not in dispute. You're simply being exceptionally obtuse for some reason. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:01:46 AM EDT
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:02:19 AM EDT
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Well the future security of the US just got a whole lot more SPORTY.
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:07:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:20:45 AM EDT
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Let him retire. Jim was kinda a let down. Fags, homos, cross-testicles still parading in our Armed Forces. Not what I expected from him. He is a warrior and it's time to retire. He deserves a good retirement. He started most of these and made significant progress on some, and I think our armed forces are in a better place than they were two years ago as a result of his efforts. His putting defaggination of the services as a lower priority was the right thing to do, though disappointing to many folks. Had he went after that as #1, he would've spent most of his political capital on this arguably emotional issue at the cost of funding and readiness. I get the sense that there's a lot more going into his decision than Syria. I think his character is stronger than that. While im happy for the man being able to retire, his leaving this critical position is a significant loss for our country. I fear that trump wants a yes-man, and he'll get one. That carries a lot of risk for the country. Foreign policy and military readiness are very far from trumps strong points. With advisors like Bolton now in the mix, Mattis as a counterweight was a necessity. I think we we should all be worried about his departure, purse-swinging aside. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:22:49 AM EDT
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While I obviously don't know the man personally, I trust(ed) his judgement more than any other prominent DC official. When JM took this job, he had several critical priorities, for example lobbying for restoration of the funding cut by zero, improving readiness, recommending rational strategy to potus in order to implement the foreign policy goals of the administration. Several others that aren't on the top of my head. He started most of these and made significant progress on some, and I think our armed forces are in a better place than they were two years ago as a result of his efforts. His putting defaggination of the services as a lower priority was the right thing to do, though disappointing to many folks. Had he went after that as #1, he would've spent most of his political capital on this arguably emotional issue at the cost of funding and readiness. I get the sense that there's a lot more going into his decision than Syria. I think his character is stronger than that. While im happy for the man being able to retire, his leaving this critical position is a significant loss for our country. I fear that trump wants a yes-man, and he'll get one. That carries a lot of risk for the country. Foreign policy and military readiness are very far from trumps strong points. With advisors like Bolton now in the mix, Mattis as a counterweight was a necessity. I think we we should all be worried about his departure, purse-swinging aside. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:30:09 AM EDT
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Apparently South Korea was also a factor Trump is impatient and unkind to our allies. I'm not so confident that trump understands the long term consequences of his foreign policy decisions. Maybe he does, but leaving the country in a weaker position down the road seems unwise to me. I'm sure there are other considerations about which we're completely in the dark. Edit spelling |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:31:28 AM EDT
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Holy shit that was retarded. You're wasting your time Carmel. Good try though. Some cannot be reached. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:35:36 AM EDT
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Wise man weighs in.
 The Resignation of General "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:35:42 AM EDT
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There were an awful lot of people who trusted Mattis based on internet memes and pictures of him heroically portrayed. What did he actually accomplish to transform our military into a "Mattis-centric" force?
Was the military magically transformed under his leadership or did the SHARP training and other bullshit (trannys, etc)stay the same? I think we know the answer to this. He was the same as all other people at his level. There is no connection to the soldier on the ground. May he retire in peace. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:36:03 AM EDT
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Wasn't really for his benefit so much as other readers, at least prior to that reply. The FY 2020 budget battle will get more interesting with POTUS indicating a 5% cut and Mattis gone, it looks like Rep. Adam Smith (Dem) WA will have more leverage and his fall speeches make this GD banter look lightweight. Sounds like DOD is going to take a few on the chin, at least for the next 2 years. Then the public will fight over Medicaid / Social Security vs Defense Budgets as the tail end of the baby boom generation finally retires. My guess is DOD is fucked until a major war Pearl Harbor style happens |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:39:36 AM EDT
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There were an awful lot of people who trusted Mattis based on internet memes and pictures of him heroically portrayed. What did he actually accomplish to transform our military into a "Mattis-centric" force? Was the military magically transformed under his leadership or did the SHARP training and other bullshit (trannys, etc)stay the same? I think we know the answer to this. He was the same as all other people at his level. There is no connection to the soldier on the ground. May he retire in peace. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:41:14 AM EDT
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It probably was, along with (I would assume) several other decisions. Trump is impatient and unkind to our allies. I'm not so confident that trump understands the long term consequences of his foreign policy decisions. Maybe he does, but leaving the country in a weaker position down the road seems unwise to me. I'm sure there are other considerations about which we're completely in the dark. Edit spelling |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:41:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat he says about a tiny piece of information that you suddenly find out and changes your view, is what I am talking about.
I had this kind of realization and other veterans will too. That moment when you verify the truth and you can not deny it. One moment of truth can destroy a million years of programming because the truth is something that can not be denied. It can only be realized. Then appreciated. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:42:54 AM EDT
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I think he goi us turned around and pointed in the right direction. There's no magic when we're dealing with one of the biggest clusterfucks of organization on the planet (us.gov). It takes 20 years to build an airplane these days. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 2:52:35 AM EDT
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You're probably right. The next PH type of event likely won't allow us the time to properly re-arm and train. Geographic isolation ain't what it used to be. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:15:45 AM EDT
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What a losing streak Trump has been on lately. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:20:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:24:45 AM EDT
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The era of the knife hand memes is coming to an end.  
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:26:05 AM EDT
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LOL MM hates Trump so much he’s willing to flip flop over the withdrawals
 Attached File Michael Moore Takes on Obama's Afghanistan Escalation on Larry King Live, December 2, 2009 |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:31:26 AM EDT
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I want my cookie
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Posted: 12/21/2018 3:52:29 AM EDT
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Well the future security of the US just got a whole lot more SPORTY. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 4:27:22 AM EDT
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Next week on The Apprentice White House Edition... Seriously though, anyone taking bets?
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Posted: 12/21/2018 6:58:03 AM EDT
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France is everywhere, Britain still loves the Falklands, Russia is in Libya making deals with warlords, China is in Africa, Sri Lanka and poking around the Artic, Iran is in Africa, Turkey is in Africa, Italy was in Libya trying to shape the land last year. Every swinging dick is running around playing fuck fuck games. UAE just got called out in North Africa. Who isn't playing fuck fuck games besides Iceland? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:10:13 AM EDT
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Really??? Country of 320 million people and you think ot goes to shit because one senior citizen retires?? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:12:41 AM EDT
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Lol. GD is GDing. Fuck Mattis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really??? Country of 320 million people and you think ot goes to shit because one senior citizen retires?? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:17:52 AM EDT
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This is the kind of stupidity Mattis was dealing with: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59063/8wh80inlhf521_png-779721.JPG How the hell can you blame Mattis for any of this? Kharn |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:25:47 AM EDT
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oh well
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:33:45 AM EDT
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Not good
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:42:30 AM EDT
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So I did some checking up on a couple of Trump’s National Security advisors reaction to this news and I’m a bit surprised at how shaken they are but they still have confidence in POTUS despite their opposition to these decisions, so the sky isnt falling |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:45:37 AM EDT
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Someone earlier on in this thread made a comment about Mattis wanting to keep military style weapons out of the hands of civilians.
I could not find anything on the interwebs to support that. Does anyone have a link? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:46:06 AM EDT
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Oh, and the WH rumor is that Trump is about to announce a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan as well. Clearly Mattis is done. He can't stay in the job considering Trump totally ignores his advice and that of the joint chiefs. After letting Erdogan tell the US military what to do, I can't believe Mattis didn't just go ahead and resign today. Shit is falling apart so fast it is becoming impossible to keep track of it all. 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:46:52 AM EDT
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Maybe France should be paying attention to France. It looks more like Syria in some places. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:53:15 AM EDT
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Yeah getting fired sucks. No surprises they want to keep their jobs. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 7:54:27 AM EDT
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Oh no America isn't sending more troops to die in endless wars in the Middle East
War hawks will be flying the flags at half staff all week |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:01:00 AM EDT
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This is the kind of stupidity Mattis was dealing with: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59063/8wh80inlhf521_png-779721.JPG How the hell can you blame Mattis for any of this? |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:01:06 AM EDT
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Lol! GD has officially jumped the shark. Y'all sound just like DU, you just take the opposite side of whatever action Trump wants. Why should we be in every shithole in the world?!? Everyone seems to have amnesia about the SJW shit. A few more weeks y'all will be wearing pussy hats cause that'll show him! 
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:04:15 AM EDT
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So removal of 28,000 in South Korea may also be on the table too
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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:04:23 AM EDT
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Trump can talk tough all he wants but from a kneeling position in front of Putin, Erdogan and Xi, it just doesn't matter. He might as well be Obama. We bitched a storm when Obama bowed to Putin and Xi but then yell, "MAGA" when Trump does it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, and the WH rumor is that Trump is about to announce a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan as well. Clearly Mattis is done. He can't stay in the job considering Trump totally ignores his advice and that of the joint chiefs. After letting Erdogan tell the US military what to do, I can't believe Mattis didn't just go ahead and resign today. Shit is falling apart so fast it is becoming impossible to keep track of it all. |
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