Take the ability to gouge a fuckers eye out and its all just a bullshit game, fellas.

The CCP doesn’t allow martial arts. Chinese authorities only allowed Wushu acrobatics. The only remaining Chinese martial artists after 1949 fled to Hong Kong and a handful moved onto Vancouver Canada and San Francisco, CA. There’s were less than 10 even back during Bruce Lee’s days. 99% of Chinese don’t care about martial arts. They only care about getting into college and getting a good job. The “Kung fu” Bruce Lee days are long gone

You’re not even describing wing chun

The loser in that video perfected the use of the face to stop the fist.

So it sounds like everybody did not Wang Chung tonight

99.9% of Chinese people don’t know Chinese martial arts let alone Americans. It’s been dead going back to the Boxer rebellion

lol that’s not even close to wing chun

Martial arts have been almost non existent in Okinawa and Japan as well since WWII. General McArthur banned the practice of Martial Arts. Most became sport (Aikido, Judo, Iado). Some went underground and were practiced in secret. Some were allowed to continue to practice openly due to their relationship with the Okinawan royal family.

You won't ever see a real master or grandmaster get in a ring and compete. To become a real master/grandmaster is the pursuit of a lifetime.

In the days of Greek Olympic Games, they were breaking thumbs to escape holds when “referees” weren’t able to see. Half the shit from Rome & Greece age aren’t allowed in the UFC

Besides krav maga and some other stuff I take, I have been doing traditional kyudo for almost three years. Nisun nobi 16kg bow with 100cm arrows. Japanese teacher and all.

Is knowing how to do kyudo going to help me hunt with the bow and arrow or repel Invaders in my neighborhood? Doubtfull. Those things are what my rifles are for.

But that's not why I do kyudo. I do it for meditation and relaxation. I could do golf but that's even more frustrating. Lol.

It's all about what's appropriate for the situation. If you want to stick with traditional things that aren't appropriate for the situation, and those traditional things don't have an answer...well you adapt or suffer.

If you can't go beyond a fighting technique's method / kata and apply any sort of strikes locks throws footwork etc at an appropriate time, then you are a slave to the technique and will never grow beyond them. You're just a kata collector.

Sorry for the rant.

The Okinawan's practiced full contact sparring. Some martial art's masters used their internal energy (Ki/Chi) to accept full power blows that would literally kill an ordinary man without sustaining any injury. See the world record kick to the groin episode of Fox Sport's Science on Youtube as one example. The Okinawan's would also practice breakfalls on hardwood floors with no mats. They were much tougher in those days and ligaments actually healed better before modern medicine got involve with the use of NSAID's. They also had their own methods of healing these types of injuries.

Yep.

As the narrator in the the other video stated, non-fighter vs trained fighter.

I've trained in Wing Chun, as well as trained in, and went to Thailand to fight Muay Thai (yeah, there aren't many high level Thai fighters in the 90kg weight class. Would've been better off going to Holland). I've used Wing Chun trapping techniques to knock out Muay Thai opponents.

The reason that SO many of these traditional martial arts 'masters' get their ass handed to them, is because they don't fight. They're not fighters. They practice their art and love to make the claim, "Yeah, I could easily hurt someone/put them in the hospital if I wanted to". Have you ever tried fighting someone who's actually trying to put you down? No? Then it's just an assumption.

The Wing Chun guy in this video has obviously never fought real opponents regularly (if at all). I've seen several Wing Chun fights. Both opponents were more scared of getting hit hard, than looking for the other guys weaknesses to exploit.

Aside from the initial stance, he used about zero Wing Chun. No trapping, no Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Lop Sao. Wing Chun doesn't jam kicks with your shins the way Muay Thai does, but the front leg is kept light, and Wing Chun practitioners who actually fight and spar heavy contact will jam kicks.

This dude never made a single attempt to jam those leg kicks. He made the classic mistake every guy who's never received leg kicks (and/or trained to defend against them) does, and starts dropping his hands. The setup that even the self-professed non-fighters could see from a mile away.

He also didn't throw anything resembling Wing Chun punches. The punches he threw were the same punches I see untrained street brawlers throw. Sloppy arm punches, with minimal power. None of the straight/centerline punches common to Wing Chun, and none of the body torque common to any style that even includes heavy bag work as part of the regular training.

The other video with the guy commentating was even funnier. The old dude in the traditional white, never even made any kind of defensive move when he got KO'ed by the first punch his opponent threw. Lol! Never done ANY kind of training that involves someone throwing an unscripted punch at you huh? Yep, plenty of martial arts 'masters' like that to be found.

But I've trained with a lot of people and fought a lot. There are some guys who practice traditional martial arts styles, who CAN fight because they DO spar/fight regularly.

I've seen a guy with an aikido background who realized the deficiencies in the style, so he began training in MMA, but he could surprise and catch guys with some of the aikido techniques. The art itself isn't wholly useless or ineffective. It's just that the style itself doesn't really emphasize combat,  and/or train for it, and most of the practice is done with compliant partners.

In his case, as he trained in MMA, he began trying some of the techniques he knew from Aikido,  and realized some of them could be applied when the opportunity was there, other techniques rarely ever worked against a non-compliant opponent who would immediately punch you in the face.

If you want to be able to fight, you need to train to fight, and then fight. Otherwise, it's all just for show.

There's simply no contest in fights between a fighter vs a non-fighter.

Found a friend of mine, the son of my instructor, haven’t seen him since 2011 and apparently he’s gone bald

He didn’t try wing chun at all from the first second. Just because someone claims to be a Navy SEAL or a Buddhist doesn’t necessarily make them so. People claim shit all the time. Pro tip; people lie

Bruce Lee had 6 years of instruction in WC. Here’s a video, his horse stance is completely wrong. Points to anyone who can explain why even the great Bruce Lee isn’t correctly doing it. Hint the first pics with Yip Man he’s more correctly doing it since he has Yip Man there to correct it and even then his head position is still wrong  

He doesn't know how to check a leg kick.

I wish I could kick above my navel :)

And yet today these magic men get knocked the fuck out by a guy with a good left hook.  I don't buy the myth.

I’m no master I did several leg checks before Palo Alto police arrested me fighting on El Camino Real after I discovered a guy trying to steal my Shoei helmet off my motorcycle

I've been on the receiving end of those kicks to the leg.  They absolutely take the will to fight right out of a fella.

Wing chun is the way of intercepting the fist....not the foot, I think I found the problem

Why?
Because he's an actor, not a fighter.

The guy Bruce Lee studied under for 6 years
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Other than rumors of a fight in Seattle and the one closed door fight in Oakland, CA. with a handful of spectators present, I’m not aware of any other street fist fights he had in the USA after moving from Hong Kong. I’ve definitely been involved in more streetfights than Bruce Lee and I’m no master by any measure.

Here’s a Bruce Lee gif not doing Wing Chun correctly, note the legs compared to Yip Man

But the answer is located at his knees or if it’s easier compare his legs in pictures with Yip Man to the pics or video without Yip Man present to correct him. Wing Chun whole deal is not hands, it’s the “knees” / legs, without it, you don’t have wing chun.

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But Bruce Lee did spar. Example below

It is the sport based "arts" that work, not the stuff designed for self defense or combat based upon theory.

Judo is also good.

Karate vs muay Thai.



Also

the 70's a famous match between 5 Kung Fu and 5 Muay Thai fighters took place in the Lumphini Stadium in Bangkok. Chinese martial arts adepts came to prove themselves against Nak Muay.

Thais won 5 out of 5 bouts in total. All of them in the first round by KO or TKO. They even agreed to fight bare-handed at the request of a Kung Fu practitioners who wanted to take an advantage of their fist techniques. They were helpless against Muay Thai and its techniques and fighting philosophy.

As a matter of fact, there was no single recorded competition where Chinese martial artists prevailed against Thais in the ring. Muay Thai just proves to be better in a pro sport competitions.

Not sure you really learn to hit in WC. It is more of slap fight training.

IIRC, there's a chinese MMA fighter who has been "unpersoned" for uploading his videos of him stomping the shit out of kung fu "masters" on their state-owned youtube surrogate.

Kyokushin karate, BJJ, wrestling and boxing.

Kyokushin was the first full contact karate style, started in the early 1960s. It is a much better foundation than more traditional styles of karate.

Something like TKD has lots of nice kicks, but isn't really a "foundation" IMO. It can give an edge when added to other stuff, but you absolutely actual fight sport training.

Looks like he's giving a really unsatisfactory handjob.

It is more about being proficient in something that works and is trained in a full force environment. It is the full force environment that's key.

Besides that is the rule set. Fight sports are defined by rules, not by a set of moves passed down from some long ago master. So not all fight sports are equal do to the rules. The sport's culture also likely plays into it.

To really get striking down, I think they need to be trained seperatly, then integrated when you have the basic skills.

It’s a subtle grip for sure. If the person is not balanced you pull towards you or push away magnifying their lack of balance. Thumb on same side so it can’t be broken in case it fails to work {sorry couldn’t find an English language video}

Most of the videos I’ve posted are English language. I had to learn when only Cantonese was spoken and I only took 2 years of Mandarin in college.
There’s no slaps. There’s “chops” to the neck, open palm usually to chest, neck or chin and punches. The primary goal is to control the opponent’s body by being close {closing the distance like a wrestler would, about arms length distance} then controlling the hands and driving thru their center kind of the way a tank drives thru shit in its way, using the power deriving from the legs moving forward but not the shoulders, hips and leg style of western boxing illustrated by this Gif   Attached File
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John Sullivan and his 44 fights disagrees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Sullivan

Lot of haymakers for a Karate black belt. I wouldn’t wear a belt into a fight but that’s just me

Obviously you didn't bother to look up the video. This Grandmaster and his students have been doing these demos for around 50 years now. They have taken the best shots from heavyweight boxing champions, NFL Super Bowl Champions, MMA Champions, American Gladiator's, etc. without ever even being knocked to their knees, let alone knocked out. There are over a dozen major TV specials featuring these demos, including the Fox Sport's Science World Record Kick to the Groin episode, Discovery Channel, TLC, Stan Lee's Superhumans, ABC Wide World of Sports, etc.

It's only magic if you don't understand how it works.

There's a reason boxing was traditionally a poor-man's game.

Red Foxx had a bit in his stand up about getting robbed by a guy who had black belt in Karate.  As the line goes, he pulls out a gun and tells the guy that the black belt will be used to lower him into the ground.

Improssibrol

This. The short version as stated previously "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

Irony given China outlawed martial arts 70 years ago https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/quentin-tarantino-won-t-recut-once-upon-time-hollywood-after-n1069736

Bas Rutten.
One of my favorite fighters.

Don't get me wrong, I think something can probably be taken from each of the martial arts.  Machida for example had good success because of his karate skills.  But he was definitely the exception, not the norm.  It has been proven time and time again that fighters who are proficient in the 3 I mentioned above do best in the sport......or we can dumb it down even further by simply saying that having good skills in wrestling, ground game and stand up is what's necessary.  My point was only that just being a master at one discipline will get your ass kicked by someone who is more well rounded.

This.  If anything 50% ground/50% striking.  Plenty examples proven in and out of the ring.

It is 4 styles: MT, boxing, wrestling, and BJJ.

The issue with Judo is that it is jacket wrestling and jackets are not required in the ring. Also, Judo doesn't allow the wrestling style leg attacks that are usually the easiest takedowns.

Karate/TKD have a lot of kicks that can add to MMA. Sidekick, spinning back kick, spinning heel kick, etc.  A spinning heel kick can be a real fight ender if used right, but first you have to survive against an opponent with grappling and boxing skills. So you need grappling and boxing skills as well.

You mean like in the video above

When American kickboxing came about, boxing style punching was used. Traditional karate style punching doesn't cut it in the boxing ring. So when you make it a sport, it shifts from being full contact karate to kickboxing quickly. It is just about what works.

A karate guy with a traditional background might end up throwing haymakers in a full contact fight when his classical punches don't work.

I got a black belt in karate in 1980.

My understanding is that Japanese karate didn't allow sparring until 1940. And full contact came later. I believe the Okinawans mostly practiced forms but also other conditioning stuff, striking hard objects, etc. I also doubt that full contact training would continue to push the traditional karate punching style, with chambered fist and such. Many tradionalists really, really believed in forms.

The upper class grapples, since it has much more application when wearing harness and using a long sword.