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Posted: 9/3/2024 9:56:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2024 10:27:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2024 11:18:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2024 11:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oregonroofer: It reminds me of Young Frankenstein Also, if real, shows exactly why they are ahead of everyone else. I would imagine that a lot of people that work there probably feel like they are on a mission (from Elon) to move as fast as possible with little clutter. Being a part of a bigger project that is happening in real time and speeding up all of the time. Still wouldn't want to be the guy on that structure in a electrical storm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oregonroofer: Originally Posted By PlaysWithAtoms: Originally Posted By Chokey: https://i.imgur.com/SU0yqfq.gif That is an insane shot.  It reminds me of Young Frankenstein Also, if real, shows exactly why they are ahead of everyone else. I would imagine that a lot of people that work there probably feel like they are on a mission (from Elon) to move as fast as possible with little clutter. Being a part of a bigger project that is happening in real time and speeding up all of the time. Still wouldn't want to be the guy on that structure in a electrical storm. In a way, it kinda makes me think of this old comic from the Spirit Mars rover. Busting your ass because you are anxious to see the next developments, and where the project needs to go from there to start the next episode.... I worked over 20 years in enviroments that could remove body parts in a freak accident or even kill you. Like continuing through the sandstorm below into the unknown, up on that tower when a lightning storm arrives there is a part of me that says shit needs to get done so get it done.  |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 5:17:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2024 5:21:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:03:59 PM EDT
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C'mon FAA.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:33:35 PM EDT
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I did read a fiction book a while ago about firms like Boeing funding a false-flag terrorist group. So if they had a project in trouble, the terrorists would attack that factory, and the company could be all "well, we tried" |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi:
I did read a fiction book a while ago about firms like Boeing funding a false-flag terrorist group. So if they had a project in trouble, the terrorists would attack that factory, and the company could be all "well, we tried" I seem to recall something like that being a plot point in a Daniel Craig era Bond film. Can’t recall which one off the top of my head. But I remember the prototype they were trying to sabotage looked like the result of an unholy union between a 747 and a B-47. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 5:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I seem to recall something like that being a plot point in a Daniel Craig era Bond film. Can’t recall which one off the top of my head. But I remember the prototype they were trying to sabotage looked like the result of an unholy union between a 747 and a B-47. Casino Royale |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 4:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi:
I did read a fiction book a while ago about firms like Boeing funding a false-flag terrorist group. So if they had a project in trouble, the terrorists would attack that factory, and the company could be all "well, we tried" The Remo Williams movie had something similar in their plot, though it was the company blowing up stuff when they discovered that people were snooping around for evidence and blaming the people that were snooping around for the stuff getting blown up. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 4:52:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sbhaven]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi:
 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:58:03 PM EDT
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SpaceX created the first fully reusable rocket stage and, much more importantly, made the reuse economically viable. Making life multiplanetary is fundamentally a cost per ton to Mars problem. It currently costs about a billion dollars per ton of useful payload to the surface of Mars. That needs to be improved to $100k/ton to build a self-sustaining city there, so the technology needs to be 10,000 times better. Extremely difficult, but not impossible.
The first Starships to Mars will launch in 2 years when the next Earth-Mars transfer window opens. These will be uncrewed to test the reliability of landing intact on Mars. If those landings go well, then the first crewed flights to Mars will be in 4 years. Flight rate will grow exponentially from there, with the goal of building a self-sustaining city in about 20 years. Being multiplanetary will vastly increase the probable lifespan of consciousness, as we will no longer have all our eggs, literally and metabolically, on one planet. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:56:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
SpaceX created the first fully reusable rocket stage and, much more importantly, made the reuse economically viable. Making life multiplanetary is fundamentally a cost per ton to Mars problem. It currently costs about a billion dollars per ton of useful payload to the surface of Mars. That needs to be improved to $100k/ton to build a self-sustaining city there, so the technology needs to be 10,000 times better. Extremely difficult, but not impossible.
The first Starships to Mars will launch in 2 years when the next Earth-Mars transfer window opens. These will be uncrewed to test the reliability of landing intact on Mars. If those landings go well, then the first crewed flights to Mars will be in 4 years. Flight rate will grow exponentially from there, with the goal of building a self-sustaining city in about 20 years. Being multiplanetary will vastly increase the probable lifespan of consciousness, as we will no longer have all our eggs, literally and metabolically, on one planet. 
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: "Aspirational" estimates. Here's hoping... Biggest hurdle in that schedule will be getting through the process of government approvals for the launches. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:18:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Biggest hurdle in that schedule will be getting through the process of government approvals for the launches. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By Hadrian: "Aspirational" estimates. Here's hoping... Biggest hurdle in that schedule will be getting through the process of government approvals for the launches. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:23:02 PM EDT
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I'm still good for it. Wife and I have been talking about it since we were a young married couple. Now we're an old married couple.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi: I'm still good for it. Wife and I have been talking about it since we were a young married couple. Now we're an old married couple. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13081/21111111111111hc1roguomond1_png-3317210.JPG Even with all the mass that a Starship can throw I would imagine that refining enough methane and liquid oxygen for a return trip will be a bit of a project. I understand NASA has an experiment called Moxie that's making oxygen on Mars right now. I remember that because a friends dog has that name. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Even with all the mass that a Starship can throw I would imagine that refining enough methane and liquid oxygen for a return trip will be a bit of a project. Return? We just got here!  Attached FileNow at http://factualfiction.com/marsartists/, fully Starship-maxxing |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:23:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: If that Hopper doesn't find it's way to a museum or something, someday then a lot of space nerds are going to be very upset. I'm still kinda bummed out that Ship 15 is no longer with us.  It will eventually find it's way to the Air and Space Museum. I think that it is that impactful on the progression of future space flight. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:26:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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 https://www.spacex.com/updates/#starships-fly |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:56:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:09:46 PM EDT
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Keep it up Biden, you're just giving Elon more time to get political...
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Keep it up Biden, you're just giving Elon more time to get political... I'm pretty sure Biden doesn't know Starship from Jefferson Airplane. This is a combo of dumbass red tape and probably pressure/lobbying from OldSpace titans. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:27:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hadrian]
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Quote History@Chokey there's much more to this update on the SpaceX page than what is in this image. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: @Chokey there's much more to this update on the SpaceX page than what is in this image. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: @Chokey there's much more to this update on the SpaceX page than what is in this image. the link is below the image |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:44:32 PM EDT
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FAA’s DOGE audit is gonna be lit!
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi: I'm still good for it. Wife and I have been talking about it since we were a young married couple. Now we're an old married couple. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13081/21111111111111hc1roguomond1_png-3317210.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 1:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: This is a combo of dumbass red tape and probably pressure/lobbying from OldSpace titans. 
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Posted: 9/10/2024 2:09:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: Seems to me like the same style lawfare the Dems have been employing against Trump. And I guarantee in two years the media will be crowing about how Elon Musk failed to develop Starship on schedule without a whisper about government interference. Supporting Artemis 3 was already unlikely but every delay just pushes the real schedule to the right. SpaceX needs to launch frequently to identify and correct issues. Of course Artemis should be canceled as a costly, worthless woke program. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 2:43:51 PM EDT
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Bureaucracy kind of cracks me up sometimes. It rarely gives any weight to what's at stake in the big picture without leadership, of which we have absolutely none right now.
It's a shame that our government doesn't recognize the long term strategic significance of what's going on down there in Texas because if they did, they'd be clearing a path for SpaceX to get testing going on an accelerated basis, environmental impact be damned. Perhaps the fact that Elon keeps talking about it in the context of Mars is distracting people from the fact that biggest long term impacts really aren't all about Mars. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 3:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Bureaucracy kind of cracks me up sometimes. It rarely gives any weight to what's at stake in the big picture without leadership, of which we have absolutely none right now. It's a shame that our government doesn't recognize the long term strategic significance of what's going on down there in Texas because if they did, they'd be clearing a path for SpaceX to get testing going on an accelerated basis, environmental impact be damned. Perhaps the fact that Elon keeps talking about it in the context of Mars is distracting people from the fact that biggest long term impacts really aren't all about Mars. They're too blinded by party loyalty to think like that. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 3:08:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Bureaucracy kind of cracks me up sometimes. It rarely gives any weight to what's at stake in the big picture without leadership, of which we have absolutely none right now. It's a shame that our government doesn't recognize the long term strategic significance of what's going on down there in Texas because if they did, they'd be clearing a path for SpaceX to get testing going on an accelerated basis, environmental impact be damned. Perhaps the fact that Elon keeps talking about it in the context of Mars is distracting people from the fact that biggest long term impacts really aren't all about Mars. I believe that there are plenty of people in government who do. Especially in NASA and the military. Starship could be a hell of an X-37B successor. But these people don't work at the FAA. Or if they do then they aren't the ones who sign off on the things that matter. One of the things that pissed me off about the Vogons in Hitchikers Guide. They are the callous, unfeeling, stupid bureaucrats that fuck everything up in their setting. But they only get their butts kicked once and that was probably because they were making a big Hollywood movie and the producers told Douglas Adams. "The bad guys have to lose. It can't always end in a frustrating compromise that satisfies no one. We know you're British but this movie won't be shown exclusively to people deeply in love with soul killing bureaucracy."  Depression Gun And when he heard that he crammed in as much soul killing bureaucracy into the script that he felt he could get away with. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 4:41:44 PM EDT
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How much more obvious can it get that government bureaucracy is a gigantic self-licking ice cream cone.
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Posted: 9/10/2024 4:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi: I'm still good for it. Wife and I have been talking about it since we were a young married couple. Now we're an old married couple. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13081/21111111111111hc1roguomond1_png-3317210.JPG Yup. Told the same thing to my wife, except she's not into it. Well hon, if I get the chance to go-to space I'm taking it. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 4:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: How much more obvious can it get that government bureaucracy is a gigantic self-licking ice cream cone. It's obvious. But there's only 2 things that can be done about it. 1. Elect someone like that go getter down in Argentina who actually seems to be chopping things down to a manageable size. 2. A barbarian army kicks in the doors. Burns the bureaucracy to ashes and rapes the lining out of everything left. Guess which option has occurred more often through history? Once we get to a point where a majority or even a significant minority of people are dependent on bureaucracy they will fight to protect it with some fervor. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 6:10:34 PM EDT
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SpaceX should sue CNBC et al for tortious interference. CNBC put out that bogus water pollution story a while ago.
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Posted: 9/10/2024 6:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: SpaceX should sue CNBC et al for tortious interference. CNBC put out that bogus water pollution story a while ago. CNBC doesn’t understand the difference between an administrative paperwork violation and an actual effluent violation. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 8:09:34 PM EDT
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 Still relevant |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 8:19:12 PM EDT
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And if Trump gets back into office, perhaps it will go something like this...
 Charlie Brown kicks Lucy |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:18:51 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:53:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: They're too blinded by party loyalty to think like that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Originally Posted By woodsie: Bureaucracy kind of cracks me up sometimes. It rarely gives any weight to what's at stake in the big picture without leadership, of which we have absolutely none right now. It's a shame that our government doesn't recognize the long term strategic significance of what's going on down there in Texas because if they did, they'd be clearing a path for SpaceX to get testing going on an accelerated basis, environmental impact be damned. Perhaps the fact that Elon keeps talking about it in the context of Mars is distracting people from the fact that biggest long term impacts really aren't all about Mars. They're too blinded by party loyalty to think like that. Which is precisely why the news is heavily leaning against Starship, and trying to carry water for Boeing. Musk is publicly mocking the powers that be, and they desperately want him to be hated and ignored. Or dead, which would be even better. The civilization-altering effects of cheap heavy lift capability aren't a consideration at all..except to the Chinese. And if SpaceX fails, they win that race globally by default. Who bankrolls CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 12:09:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Which is precisely why the news is heavily leaning against Starship, and trying to carry water for Boeing. Musk is publicly mocking the powers that be, and they desperately want him to be hated and ignored. Or dead, which would be even better. The civilization-altering effects of cheap heavy lift capability aren't a consideration at all..except to the Chinese. And if SpaceX fails, they win that race globally by default. Who bankrolls CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By Stillnothere: Originally Posted By woodsie: Bureaucracy kind of cracks me up sometimes. It rarely gives any weight to what's at stake in the big picture without leadership, of which we have absolutely none right now. It's a shame that our government doesn't recognize the long term strategic significance of what's going on down there in Texas because if they did, they'd be clearing a path for SpaceX to get testing going on an accelerated basis, environmental impact be damned. Perhaps the fact that Elon keeps talking about it in the context of Mars is distracting people from the fact that biggest long term impacts really aren't all about Mars. They're too blinded by party loyalty to think like that. Which is precisely why the news is heavily leaning against Starship, and trying to carry water for Boeing. Musk is publicly mocking the powers that be, and they desperately want him to be hated and ignored. Or dead, which would be even better. The civilization-altering effects of cheap heavy lift capability aren't a consideration at all..except to the Chinese. And if SpaceX fails, they win that race globally by default. Who bankrolls CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc? Speaking of that, guess who tested vertical landing on one of their rockets today? https://spacenews.com/landspace-completes-10-kilometer-reusable-rocket-test-eyes-2025-orbital-launch/  ZhuQue-3 10-kilometre VTVL test |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 12:28:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: And if Trump gets back into office, perhaps it will go something like this...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpjO4rK9El4I saw in another thread, Elon tweeted that we (humans) are not going to make it to mars if Kamala wins. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 12:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I saw in another thread, Elon tweeted that we (humans) are not going to make it to mars if Kamala wins. No, we will. We might have to spend a few decades contending with Mad Max style armies of cannibals in leather bondage gear. But science the science we have now won’t be un-invented. And there are always good reasons to have a space program. If only so you can use its tech to dominate the other cannibal warlords. There will be people somewhere who will keep the light and in time we will spread out into the solar system. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 12:38:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Which is precisely why the news is heavily leaning against Starship, and trying to carry water for Boeing. Musk is publicly mocking the powers that be, and they desperately want him to be hated and ignored. Or dead, which would be even better. The civilization-altering effects of cheap heavy lift capability aren't a consideration at all..except to the Chinese. And if SpaceX fails, they win that race globally by default. Who bankrolls CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc? Palmer Luckey had a discussion on this in the interview on PirateWires. If there was real competition for space (or military stuff in general) then the gov't.medial wouldn't have to plump for Boeing as the only viable choice.  Palmer Luckey on Arsenal-1, Trump, US Manufacturing, Tariffs, & Heretical Thoughts (ft. Mike Solana) |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:13:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXOJMUhXEAENRb7?format=png&name=small
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXOJMUhXEAENRb7?format=png&name=small How much "modify" triggers an FAA review? I mean, it's a development and test program, so... |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: How much "modify" triggers an FAA review? I mean, it's a development and test program, so... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXOJMUhXEAENRb7?format=png&name=small How much "modify" triggers an FAA review? I mean, it's a development and test program, so... catching the booster |
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