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Link Posted: 9/10/2019 6:46:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
The new rings in cocoa are supposedly rolled sheet with one seam. It should speed up production.
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I was wondering when they’d start doing that.
Link Posted: 9/10/2019 11:48:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
The new rings in cocoa are supposedly rolled sheet with one seam. It should speed up production.
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
The new rings in cocoa are supposedly rolled sheet with one seam. It should speed up production.
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Work continues now that Dorian has passed

Looks like the rings in the background are one sheet.  I only see one seam
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 10:14:58 PM EDT
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https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 9:12:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
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There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 9:41:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 10:16:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Work continues now that Dorian has passed

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48892.0;attach=1581772;image
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That looks sketch AF
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 10:22:03 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/18/2019 10:33:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 10:41:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:

There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:

There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
Wiki has a good rundown on the history of their Boca Chica site

It was federal, state, and local approval and required new legislation in Texas.  SpaceX had been considering it since 2011 and selected it in 2014.  Starship (BFR) was not publicly announced until 2017.

In 2019, the FAA completed a reevaluation of the SpaceX facilities in South Texas, and in particular the revised plans away from a commercial spaceport to more of a spaceship yard for building and testing rockets at the facility, as well as flying different rocketsStarship and Super Heavyfrom the site than the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy envisioned in the original 2014 environmental assessment.[34] In May and August 2019, the FAA issued a written report with a decision that a new supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) would not be required.[35][36]
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 10:46:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Well, I would have to assume that right now. I know folks that lived and raised their kids at what was the Beacon 42 fish camp in Shiloh, until the land was acquired by NASA when they were creating KSC. I'll ask about that tonight. That location is a public boat ramp on the wildlife reserve now, still NASA property but outside the perimeter fence.

But that is really beside the point since this is a private company (not the gov) that got approval to set up camp doing dangerous stuff close to a small community and 1.5 miles was danger close to begin with.
The article cites having to comply with FAA regulations and public safety rules? These aren't new rules and regs, they are just further along in the process now to where these things will impact them.
Like I said, there is plenty of land not being used on CCAFS. You know, where rockets are launched from already.
I think there is more to this than the article provides.

And even at 3x's appraisal value offered as non negotiable, they are still being forced out. How's about Elon fuck off to somewhere else or go buy them a community like they already have or should I say had.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
What I got out of this.
You believe a rich guy should be able to use the government to take property that is owned from the people that aren't willing to sell?
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:20:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
What I got out of this.
You believe a rich guy should be able to use the government to take property that is owned from the people that aren't willing to sell?
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
What I got out of this.
You believe a rich guy should be able to use the government to take property that is owned from the people that aren't willing to sell?
What I believe is moral or right has nothing to do with what actually happens, here in the real world. Eminent domain is well established and backed by the USSC. If you think Musk couldn’t make the case for a launch capability unmatched in the world vs the desires of a handful of residents you’re delusional.

Us poors have been pushed around by the rich and the govt (same thing really) since the beginning of time.

Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:31:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
SpaceX success is a national security concern.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:34:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Wiki has a good rundown on the history of their Boca Chica site

It was federal, state, and local approval and required new legislation in Texas.  SpaceX had been considering it since 2011 and selected it in 2014.  Starship (BFR) was not publicly announced until 2017.

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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:

There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
Wiki has a good rundown on the history of their Boca Chica site

It was federal, state, and local approval and required new legislation in Texas.  SpaceX had been considering it since 2011 and selected it in 2014.  Starship (BFR) was not publicly announced until 2017.

In 2019, the FAA completed a reevaluation of the SpaceX facilities in South Texas, and in particular the revised plans away from a commercial spaceport to more of a spaceship yard for building and testing rockets at the facility, as well as flying different rocketsStarship and Super Heavyfrom the site than the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy envisioned in the original 2014 environmental assessment.[34] In May and August 2019, the FAA issued a written report with a decision that a new supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) would not be required.[35][36]
That wiki says they've been buying up all the land out there for a few years now. The parcels in the area are all cut into neighborhoods, just never built. Like I said this was always the plan.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:35:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AJE:
It sounds like several of them won't take it either.

3x the offer on my place....  my ass would be moving and taking the VIP launch tickets
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
It sounds like several of them won't take it either.

3x the offer on my place....  my ass would be moving and taking the VIP launch tickets
Anybody know the avg property value around there?
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:45:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dapzel:

Anybody know the avg property value around there?
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80 to 100k is what Zillow shows, idk what the area properties appraiser site says.
Eta
The empty lots were showing $1500
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:52:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
80 to 100k is what Zillow shows, idk what the area properties appraiser site says.
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The empty lots were showing $1500
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Dapzel:

Anybody know the avg property value around there?
80 to 100k is what Zillow shows, idk what the area properties appraiser site says.
Eta
The empty lots were showing $1500
I'd be taking that 3 x value especially if I can find similar property at the 80k-100k not too far from where I lived.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 11:58:52 AM EDT
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I imagine SpaceX will outlive the holdouts.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 12:03:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

What I believe is moral or right has nothing to do with what actually happens, here in the real world. Eminent domain is well established and backed by the USSC. If you think Musk couldn’t make the case for a launch capability unmatched in the world vs the desires of a handful of residents you’re delusional.

Us poors have been pushed around by the rich and the govt (same thing really) since the beginning of time.

https://i.imgur.com/fCy7PKE_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
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I agree with you to moral and right and the real world. I've seen developers try to pull that eminent domain shit on the little guy here before. It doesn't work when the land is agricultural zoned already and someone puts 100 hogs on the property after you threaten them. No one wants to buy a house on the property line of a hog farm.
Musk already has a launch facility on KSC and CCAFS with plenty more areas to lease. The difference here is this will be his place with no oversite to operations unlike being rule bound on a gov facility.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 12:07:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Wiki has a good rundown on the history of their Boca Chica site

It was federal, state, and local approval and required new legislation in Texas.  SpaceX had been considering it since 2011 and selected it in 2014.  Starship (BFR) was not publicly announced until 2017.

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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:

There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
Wiki has a good rundown on the history of their Boca Chica site

It was federal, state, and local approval and required new legislation in Texas.  SpaceX had been considering it since 2011 and selected it in 2014.  Starship (BFR) was not publicly announced until 2017.

In 2019, the FAA completed a reevaluation of the SpaceX facilities in South Texas, and in particular the revised plans away from a commercial spaceport to more of a spaceship yard for building and testing rockets at the facility, as well as flying different rocketsStarship and Super Heavyfrom the site than the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy envisioned in the original 2014 environmental assessment.[34] In May and August 2019, the FAA issued a written report with a decision that a new supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) would not be required.[35][36]
Boca Chica also has its issues with launch azimuths.

Link Posted: 9/18/2019 12:14:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
The court system's granting the ability to use eminent domain for commercial purposes is one of the most abhorrent precedents I've seen during my lifetime.  It means that we don't truly have the ability to own property.

The Kelo case was local to me.  The land that they stole from those people to allow a business to build a hotel has still not been developed to this day.  It was all for nothing.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 3:01:35 PM EDT
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And even at 3x's appraisal value offered as non negotiable, they are still being forced out.
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They are?  As far as I know, the only thing that's happened is that they've received letters offering to buy their property.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 4:24:49 PM EDT
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They are?  As far as I know, the only thing that's happened is that they've received letters offering to buy their property.
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Originally Posted By kill-9:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:

And even at 3x's appraisal value offered as non negotiable, they are still being forced out.
They are?  As far as I know, the only thing that's happened is that they've received letters offering to buy their property.
Ok, I see what you are saying here and I may be speaking prematurely or even hopefully wrong on this.

From the letter

Given that increased disruption to Boca Chica residents and a need to comply with public health and safety guidelines, SpaceX would like to acquire the properties located in Boca Chica Village.
I don't know what the safety guidelines are with respect to the public there but I wouldn't want me nor my house to be only 1.5 miles away from any spacex propellant ignition, scheduled or unscheduled.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 4:28:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DCV_117:

Boca Chica also has its issues with launch azimuths.

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Boca chica will probably be primarily used for tanker flights (close to basically the NG capital of the world) and geostationary flights (it's at a slightly lower latitude, so it will get a small performance boost)
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Boca Chica also has its issues with launch azimuths.

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Boca chica will probably be primarily used for tanker flights (close to basically the NG capital of the world) and geostationary flights (it's at a slightly lower latitude, so it will get a small performance boost)
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she's getting big





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Why can't Musk use KSC?
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Why can't Musk use KSC?
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KSC is crowded.  There's lots of pads there and the "range" is controlled by the Air Force.  You can only launch there when no one else is launching and Air Force personnel are available to monitor things.

He wants a Pad where SpaceX controls all of that and doesn't have to ask anyone else for permission to launch. (except the FAA... which he can't escape)
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 6:01:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
KSC is crowded.  There's lots of pads there and the "range" is controlled by the Air Force.  You can only launch there when no one else is launching and Air Force personnel are available to monitor things.

He wants a Pad where SpaceX controls all of that and doesn't have to ask anyone else for permission to launch. (except the FAA... which he can't escape)
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SpaceX also wants to eventually be launching hundreds to thousands of times per year.
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 9:11:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
SpaceX also wants to eventually be launching hundreds to thousands of times per year.
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
KSC is crowded.  There's lots of pads there and the "range" is controlled by the Air Force.  You can only launch there when no one else is launching and Air Force personnel are available to monitor things.

He wants a Pad where SpaceX controls all of that and doesn't have to ask anyone else for permission to launch. (except the FAA... which he can't escape)
SpaceX also wants to eventually be launching hundreds to thousands of times per year.
Hasn't NASA already figured out the best location for launching space flights is on Florida's Atlantic coast? Why isn't Musk over there?
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 9:23:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

Hasn't NASA already figured out the best location for launching space flights is on Florida's Atlantic coast? Why isn't Musk over there?
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He is already.
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 10:24:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

Hasn't NASA already figured out the best location for launching space flights is on Florida's Atlantic coast? Why isn't Musk over there?
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They already launch most of their rockets from there. They will be launching Starship from there.

Boca Chica would actually be better for geostationary flights (slightly lower latitude), and Texas is full of NG to fill tankers with (Tankers filling up propellant depots will probably be the majority of flights in the future, actually). Florida/KSC will probably handle manned flights and flights and LEO flights with inclinations above ~35deg. IDK if Vandy is going to be launching Starship... At least not a first. Starship probably has enough overcapacity to put stupid amounts of payload in a polar orbit even with a dogleg from florida.
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 10:24:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/19/2019 11:12:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
They already launch most of their rockets from there. They will be launching Starship from there.

Boca Chica would actually be better for geostationary flights (slightly lower latitude), and Texas is full of NG to fill tankers with (Tankers filling up propellant depots will probably be the majority of flights in the future, actually). Florida/KSC will probably handle manned flights and flights and LEO flights with inclinations above ~35deg. IDK if Vandy is going to be launching Starship... At least not a first. Starship probably has enough overcapacity to put stupid amounts of payload in a polar orbit even with a dogleg from florida.
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

Hasn't NASA already figured out the best location for launching space flights is on Florida's Atlantic coast? Why isn't Musk over there?
They already launch most of their rockets from there. They will be launching Starship from there.

Boca Chica would actually be better for geostationary flights (slightly lower latitude), and Texas is full of NG to fill tankers with (Tankers filling up propellant depots will probably be the majority of flights in the future, actually). Florida/KSC will probably handle manned flights and flights and LEO flights with inclinations above ~35deg. IDK if Vandy is going to be launching Starship... At least not a first. Starship probably has enough overcapacity to put stupid amounts of payload in a polar orbit even with a dogleg from florida.
Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/20/2019 9:42:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I love SpaceX.  
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#Metoo!!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2019 11:03:37 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/21/2019 11:09:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/21/2019 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Launch pad in Florida has reportedly started construction:

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1175442887611494405
Link Posted: 9/21/2019 4:56:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Taboot:
The court system's granting the ability to use eminent domain for commercial purposes is one of the most abhorrent precedents I've seen during my lifetime.  It means that we don't truly have the ability to own property.

The Kelo case was local to me.  The land that they stole from those people to allow a business to build a hotel has still not been developed to this day.  It was all for nothing.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
Elon could have just waved his big billionaire wang around and gotten them eminent domained. He still will if they are stupid enough not to take the money and move.
The court system's granting the ability to use eminent domain for commercial purposes is one of the most abhorrent precedents I've seen during my lifetime.  It means that we don't truly have the ability to own property.

The Kelo case was local to me.  The land that they stole from those people to allow a business to build a hotel has still not been developed to this day.  It was all for nothing.
It was all to set that precedent.
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 1:05:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/22/2019 5:34:00 PM EDT
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new Raptor engines showing up now...



^This right here ladies and gents is the best/most advanced rocket engine ever made. 4 million horsepower of American made sexiness... Russian ORSC engines can suck a fat dick.

Design looks like it has gotten much cleaner looking and lighter. Much less sensors attached.
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 8:28:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
new Raptor engines showing up now...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFE8mSOXkAQ2Bea?format=jpg&name=900x900

^This right here ladies and gents is the best/most advanced rocket engine ever made. 4 million horsepower of American made sexiness... Russian ORSC engines can suck a fat dick.

Design looks like it has gotten much cleaner looking and lighter. Much less sensors attached.
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Link Posted: 9/22/2019 10:59:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
new Raptor engines showing up now...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFE8mSOXkAQ2Bea?format=jpg&name=900x900

^This right here ladies and gents is the best/most advanced rocket engine ever made. 4 million horsepower of American made sexiness... Russian ORSC engines can suck a fat dick.

Design looks like it has gotten much cleaner looking and lighter. Much less sensors attached.
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Where's the clean room, clean suits, and white gloves??
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 11:05:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/22/2019 11:12:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DCV_117:
Boca Chica also has its issues with launch azimuths.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-652ee19cef917b26106697456e189c3b
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Not really.  Can he go due east for geosynchronous transfer orbits?   That is a prime destination.
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 11:16:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AJE:
3x the offer on my place....  my ass would be moving and taking the VIP launch tickets
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Seriously!!! I mean plus covering taxes and moving expenses and a clause for 4x under those terms in exchange for a 1 year of assistance in convincing holdouts.
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 11:28:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft:
Seriously!!!
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Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9
There's folks have been living there for over 25yrs.
Spacex got approval (local?federal? anyone rocketship knowledgable?) to build and operate orbital rockets there in 2014 but has since changed up their plans for the site.
Even with their original plans for the site, 1.5 miles away? Fuck that, too close, even if it was just small rockets for orbital launches.
Anyone saying this wasn't the end game from day one is full of shit.
Plenty of land on KSC and CCAFS to have done this. But hey, it's not like a bunch of old people that were living the life they wanted before Elon shown up can afford to fight this in court.
3 times the value is much better than the government would have offered them.
It sounds like several of them won't take it either.

3x the offer on my place....  my ass would be moving and taking the VIP launch tickets
Seriously!!!
meh

Give me employment and I'd take it.
Link Posted: 9/22/2019 11:35:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:

meh

Give me employment and I'd take it.
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OK... hire me as some kind of a nurse who flies along with space missions... ;)

Otherwise, SpaceX is known for working their people extremely hard... not that there is anything wrong with that...
Link Posted: 9/23/2019 12:07:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
Where's the clean room, clean suits, and white gloves??
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
new Raptor engines showing up now...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFE8mSOXkAQ2Bea?format=jpg&name=900x900

^This right here ladies and gents is the best/most advanced rocket engine ever made. 4 million horsepower of American made sexiness... Russian ORSC engines can suck a fat dick.

Design looks like it has gotten much cleaner looking and lighter. Much less sensors attached.
Where's the clean room, clean suits, and white gloves??
This is a bubba meets Jules Verne test article, not a serious rocket.
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