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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikS:
It is almost funny, he is building rockets (Boilerplates) in a field for pennies and NASA built a giant building just to assemble them in. Musk is spending money where it makes the most sense. Of course you run the risk of it tipping over. Oooops. SLS-style bloated projects that have 12,388 suppliers in 57 states that has to be perfect on the first try and simulated ad nauseum is why the thing hasn't flown after $25 billion and almost a decade of development in spite of having a fuckton of shuttle hand-me-downs. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:07:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigPony]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Fast iteration is what got us to from first orbit to the moon in under a decade. SLS-style bloated projects that have 12,388 suppliers in 57 states that has to be perfect on the first try and simulated ad nauseum is why the thing hasn't flown after $25 billion and almost a decade of development in spite of having a fuckton of shuttle hand-me-downs. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh:
yea i just hope they didnt cut too many corners to get the thing "complete". I am guessing there is a shitload of welding that has to go on inside that probably could have been done when it was split. But not sure how much cooler it would have been. Seems like that thing will be toasty to work inside. This is a rough prototype, it weighs 200 tonnes empty... The production ones will weigh 120 tonnes empty. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955:
Hmmm...I did not know that. I'd rather see SpaceX move huge amounts of stuff on Starship and set up a decent outpost/research station. 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: If they need to, they'll just take it apart after the presentation and do what needs to be done. This is a rough prototype, it weighs 200 tonnes empty... The production ones will weigh 120 tonnes empty. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh:
oh yea. Hadn't thought of peeling it back a part. I saw that and thats a lot if weight to save. Wondering where it will come from. They'll test it, see where they can cut weight, build a new lighter one, test it, see where they can cut weight, build a new lighter one.... |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:38:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh:
oh yea. Hadn't thought of peeling it back a part. I saw that and thats a lot if weight to save. Wondering where it will come from. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15:
more exotic materials. the stainless they are using in the prototype is likely not what teh stainless that the actual vehicle will be made of. etc etc This is a "minimum viable product" to prove the concept. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Most of the weight savings is just going to come from using thinner SS... It's purposely overbuilt. Lighter primary structure will make everything else lighter as well (wings, actuators, legs, etc.) This is a "minimum viable product" to prove the concept. I know what this is 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:20:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15:
Theres a similar build site in Cocoa that is building an orbital 2 stage version are there pics? |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955:
*grabs lube* are there pics? 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:45:05 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:53:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:07:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
You should see the comments on SpaceX articles on Facebook, full of flat earth earthers |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:44:05 PM EDT
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anyone have any idea when the presentation tomorrow will be?
I hope it'll be live streamed on SpaceX's youtube channel... but I can't assume that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:51:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony:
When you see them saying that, tell them it is the first steps towards fixing earth. It will allow us to eventually do all of our mining resources off-world and even over time lose a small percentage of the population. All great for the planet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:59:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
also manufacturing. There's no atmosphere to mess up on the Moon. And on Mars any gases vented from manufacturing would be beneficial. Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
anyone have any idea when the presentation tomorrow will be? I hope it'll be live streamed on SpaceX's youtube channel... but I can't assume that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 10:12:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2019 11:18:29 PM EDT
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This may have been posted, but I thought it was interesting. This will be the engine configuration, with 3 (smaller) Raptor bells tuned for the most efficiency in the atmosphere, and 3 larger ones with bells tuned for efficient space use.
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:05:45 AM EDT
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WTF...
I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:22:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
here we go, lifting the top now  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDOpyUmfL4Oh, and for you trivia fans, what country was Elon's grandfather forced out of? |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:40:38 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. Not to mention the SLS boondoggle. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:44:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2019 8:45:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:02:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony: Try pretty much 3 decades since inception. They just got the big boost to try to get it going under Artemis a decade ago. Before that it was for the cancelled Constellation. It has basically been a NASA works project for a lot of engineers entire careers. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:13:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tolip:
This may have been posted, but I thought it was interesting. This will be the engine configuration, with 3 (smaller) Raptor bells tuned for the most efficiency in the atmosphere, and 3 larger ones with bells tuned for efficient space use. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80189/eed95630e76c7afa7ca310dca79ddd6b_jpg-1105044.JPG |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:13:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: Bob Zubrin worked on the initial version when he was at Martin-M, back in the mid-80's. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:14:20 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh:
9? Lame, Bring me 35. The super heavy is going to be insane. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:25:03 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
You should see the comments on SpaceX articles on Facebook, full of flat earth earthers Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:29:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wtfboombrb:
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:31:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:35:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wtfboombrb:
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:41:47 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh:
6? Lame, Bring me 35. The super heavy is going to be insane. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:44:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: I have heard eventually 37 engines. It would be the 31 engine config shown earlier + 6 more in the 6 leg nacelles. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Boeing is not building rockets in fields and yet they are just as behind as SpaceX is with the commercial crew program AND they have been paid WAY more money. Not to mention the SLS boondoggle. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 9:48:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
also manufacturing. There's no atmosphere to mess up on the Moon. And on Mars any gases vented from manufacturing would be beneficial. Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
Originally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:05:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. 
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:11:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: Most likely the case.....but his delivery was....dumb. Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:12:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigPony]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Just think about how mad he's going to be when he finds out how SLS is coming along |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony: Problem is, this is the second time he has done something like this where he has singled out Space X, while Boeing has received far more money and is much further behind and it is radio silence to them. Rumors are he has a nice cushy job lined up with Boeing after he leaves NASA as well. Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:19:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: Not to mention that Starship's continued progress likely has a certain Senator from Alabama using Bridenstine as a chewtoy. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:21:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:28:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony: Problem is, this is the second time he has done something like this where he has singled out Space X, while Boeing has received far more money and is much further behind and it is radio silence to them. Rumors are he has a nice cushy job lined up with Boeing after he leaves NASA as well. Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:29:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/86377/0895AC9E-0D5B-4D0C-8A75-A28E7D36557D_jpeg-1105317.JPG I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin:
Are they just gonna fly it from there? I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/86377/0895AC9E-0D5B-4D0C-8A75-A28E7D36557D_jpeg-1105317.JPG I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:36:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigPony]
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick: I didn't take that as singling out SpaceX, seeing how he called out the commercial crew program as a whole. A case could be made that it's a bigger shot at Boeing (this it what your competitor is doing in addition to commercial crew, what's your excuse?). But NASA really has no leg to stand on to complain about programs behind schedule and over budget. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:40:23 AM EDT
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That has to be just a poorly worded statement
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