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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 10:59:03 AM EDT
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SpaceX Youtube livestream of tonights event

Link Posted: 9/28/2019 11:15:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigPony:
Yep. That is correct.
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Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
also manufacturing.  There's no atmosphere to mess up on the Moon.  And on Mars any gases vented from manufacturing would be beneficial.

Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars.  That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth.  No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations.
Yep. That is correct.

But that’s not the way it will play out, and will not change the radical lefts minds
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 11:25:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dapzel:

I hope i the future when man kind finally starts to explore the solar system, they leave those type of people on this rock
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If not, they are just an airlock away from not being a problem anymore.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 11:32:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dapzel:
I hope i the future when man kind finally starts to explore the solar system, they leave those type of people on this rock
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page.

Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp!
You should see the comments on SpaceX articles on Facebook, full of flat earth earthers
I hope i the future when man kind finally starts to explore the solar system, they leave those type of people on this rock
Yep, they are broken on a fundamental level.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 12:14:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin:

Are they just gonna fly it from there?

I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere.
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Maybe the last MkI test flight is to be point to point, Boca to LZ1 at KSC.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 12:18:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

Boeing is getting $2+ billion a year to build a rocket out of shuttle hand-me-down and after a nearly decade now they only gotten from T-5 years to T-2.5 years
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... And Saturn.  Proven tech, and they're running around every circle they can for more duct tape money.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 12:19:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

I have heard eventually 37 engines. It would be the 31 engine config shown earlier + 6 more in the 6 leg nacelles.
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Muck is personally hoping for 42.  I like that guy.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 12:25:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
... And Saturn.  Proven tech, and they're running around every circle they can for more duct tape money.
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

Boeing is getting $2+ billion a year to build a rocket out of shuttle hand-me-down and after a nearly decade now they only gotten from T-5 years to T-2.5 years
... And Saturn.  Proven tech, and they're running around every circle they can for more duct tape money.
To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 1:12:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

Boeing is getting $2+ billion a year to build a rocket out of shuttle hand-me-down and after a nearly decade now they only gotten from T-5 years to T-2.5 years
... And Saturn.  Proven tech, and they're running around every circle they can for more duct tape money.
To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Incredible to think that can happen with something that is just over 50 years old, but many of the engineers are dead or have retired.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 1:19:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DCV_117:
Incredible to think that can happen with something that is just over 50 years old, but many of the engineers are dead or have retired.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

Boeing is getting $2+ billion a year to build a rocket out of shuttle hand-me-down and after a nearly decade now they only gotten from T-5 years to T-2.5 years
... And Saturn.  Proven tech, and they're running around every circle they can for more duct tape money.
To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Incredible to think that can happen with something that is just over 50 years old, but many of the engineers are dead or have retired.
The 50s/60s were a wild time in the aerospace world. We went from P-51s to the X-15, XB-70, SR-71, B-58 in just a few short years. A lot of those engineers earned their chops during the war so they were already mid career during Apollo, three packs a day of smokes, crappy medical tech, and heart attacks claimed a lot of them before the 80s were up.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 2:05:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DCV_117:

Suborbital test flights for Mk1. Mk2 is being built at the cape and will fly on Superheavy to space.
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Cool. LA to tokyo in 30 min... I can get behind that.

Are there ISP numbers for the engines available?
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 2:20:44 PM EDT
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Of course the SpaceX presentation is during the Ohio State - Nebraska game
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 2:47:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 2:49:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Plumber576:
Of course the SpaceX presentation is during the Ohio State - Nebraska game
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They’re gonna lose anyway
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 2:57:31 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 3:18:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
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Like I've said before, materials tech has advanced a lot in the last 50 years, and Raptor is a superior engine to the F-1.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 3:21:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Like I've said before, materials tech has advanced a lot in the last 50 years, and Raptor is a superior engine to the F-1.
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Like I've said before, materials tech has advanced a lot in the last 50 years, and Raptor is a superior engine to the F-1.
Definitely. Not just materials either, 3D printing, computational fluid dynamics, simulation, instrumentation and feedback, computer control of operation. Lots of big parts are the same, all the tech to make them has changed. None of the small parts are the same though...
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 3:24:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Definitely. Not just materials either, 3D printing, computational fluid dynamics, simulation, instrumentation and feedback, computer control of operation. Lots of big parts are the same, all the tech to make them has changed. None of the small parts are the same though...
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Yep.  You could have never designed the Raptor without computational fluid dynamics.  They blew up more than a couple F1 engines trying to figure out a nozzle design that eliminated the combustion instability problems.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 4:10:49 PM EDT
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Just for reference this photo is of the top side of Starship, where the windows will be. The other side is the one that will be exposed to high temperatures during reheating.

The way you can tell is that the lower fins can hinge backwards out of the heat, on the other side there are hinge track covers.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 4:40:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin:

Cool. LA to tokyo in 30 min... I can get behind that.

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330-380 depending on nozzle and altitude.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 4:45:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
330-380 depending on nozzle and altitude.
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin:

Cool. LA to tokyo in 30 min... I can get behind that.

Are there ISP numbers for the engines available?
330-380 depending on nozzle and altitude.
You don't need the booster for p2p... I would think that would be of interest to the military, with a dozen of them your could transport a thousand troops anywhere on earth in under an hour.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 4:54:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

You don't need the booster for p2p... I would think that would be of interest to the military, with a dozen of them your could transport a thousand troops anywhere on earth in under an hour.
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I'm curious if Starship would fall under New START in military use.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 4:55:55 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 6:13:30 PM EDT
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they brought in a Falcon 1 for the festivities

Link Posted: 9/28/2019 6:15:18 PM EDT
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I saw that!! Their first ever successful rocket sitting side by side with their latest iteration. Good optics that is .
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 7:19:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 7:51:00 PM EDT
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the time for the presentation seems to have been pushed back an hour according to the time shown on the Youtube page for the live stream.

6pm Pacific, 8pm central, 9pm eastern
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 7:58:11 PM EDT
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Sorry, just tuning it... what are they doing tonight?
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:11:31 PM EDT
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Musk is doing a big presentation at the site of the Mk1 Starship prototype that will be test launched in about a month or so. He is going to lay out the particulars on what this ship's systems and capabilities will be for certain. Dunno what else for sure he is going to be going in to. We will all find out in about 45 minutes ;)
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:30:50 PM EDT
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Lol those things look so 1950s scifi. Saturn V looks better to me.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:33:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:37:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
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Then why were they firing a F1 at Stennis?
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:42:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Then why were they firing a F1 at Stennis?
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:

To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Then why were they firing a F1 at Stennis?
They are?
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:45:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:

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I need more info.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:48:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DCV_117:
They are?
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:

To be fair Saturn is so old, that everything that was known about it has just about been lost. It’s being reverse engineered as best we can but every part was handmade, and those blueprints are long, long gone. They’d have been better off starting from scratch.
Then why were they firing a F1 at Stennis?
They are?
I don't know if this is what's being talked about but they did fire up an F1's gas generator some years back.

F-1 Engine Gas Generator Testing
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:54:51 PM EDT
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caption it

Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:58:38 PM EDT
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ONE MINUTE!
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:58:46 PM EDT
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minute from the start.

https://youtu.be/sOpMrVnjYeY
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 8:58:59 PM EDT
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When she says it's her first time
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:02:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
minute from the start.

https://youtu.be/sOpMrVnjYeY
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Now saying 8:15 central.
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:02:45 PM EDT
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13 minute delay
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:08:08 PM EDT
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*Well, we're waiting.jpg*
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:10:36 PM EDT
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Live stream is starting
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:10:43 PM EDT
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LIVE!
Link Posted: 9/28/2019 9:11:13 PM EDT
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Here we go
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