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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:08:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
This much lift is a strategic game-changer in the military sense. Like Billy Mitchell game-changing. We can simply overwhelm any nations defense with inert tungsten rods and then bomb it to ash at our leisure. You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
yep its insane. Questions is how to make money with all that capacity... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
I have such a freedom-boner. The Q and A is incredible. The flight rates he is talking is beyond belief! He is talking exceeding the system tonnage of the Space Shuttle Program over thirty years in days. He is talking one and a half million TONS to orbit in a year. A thousand times more with ten starships than the total lift capacity of all boosters in current operation on the Earth combined. Questions is how to make money with all that capacity... 
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:11:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: You could also use SS as a single stage to send over troops ballistically. A dozen of them could send ~1,000 rapid reaction troops anywhere in a half hour (Space Marines?). You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:11:39 PM EDT
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hmm just checked up on the boring company.... they completed their 1.4 test tunnel for only 10 million bucks... union labor watch out...
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chris_in_TX: It's a good thing that we have a Space Force now. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:13:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
For starters, with that much cheap lift, the Air Force could buy them for bombers. Strike anywhere in minutes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: yep its insane. Questions is how to make money with all that capacity... |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: I can see their shopping list being drawn up as we speak. The Emperor Protects...
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MOZ
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:14:22 PM EDT
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60 degree angle for re-entry - no re-entry burn and flat ring construction... Impressive ! With all that payload capacity, I suspect there will be a Space X recreational and/or refueling space station or moon station.
Musk said the Starship could launch from the Moon and land on Earth without the super heavy booster. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:14:48 PM EDT
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The thing is even if he is off by a factor of ten in his flight rate estimates, it will still dwarf everything we have done in space to date.
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHell, keep your counter strike off world in deep space. The ultimate untouchable boomer.
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
I can see their shopping list being drawn up as we speak. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By Chris_in_TX: It's a good thing that we have a Space Force now. 
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:19:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW:
60 degree angle for re-entry - no re-entry burn and flat ring construction... Impressive ! With all that payload capacity, I suspect there will be a Space X recreational and/or refueling space station or moon station. Musk said the Starship could launch from the Moon and land on Earth without the super heavy booster. 
You need about 9,400m/s of delta V to get into orbit from Earth. (True number is 7.8km/s, but Earth atomsphere and gravity losses make it higher, plus atmospheric engines have lower ISP) You only need about 1,730m/s to get into orbit from the moon, and 3,800m/s to get into mars orbit. Starship can give a ~150 tonne payload a dV of ~6km/s. Super heavy booster can add about 3.4 to that and land. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:22:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRocketmac: USMil... you mean we could actually have ODST? 
Still SSDG, just StarShip Door Gunner. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Hell, keep your counter strike off world in deep space. The ultimate untouchable boomer. Well, except our tictacs but that’s still in the initial ‘leak’ phase. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:26:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Orion_Shall_Rise]
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 116 MPH Tesla / Boring Company Tunnel ride. 21 june 2019 |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
You could also use SS as a single stage to send over troops ballistically. A dozen of them could send ~1,000 rapid reaction troops anywhere in a half hour (Space Marines?). You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
This much lift is a strategic game-changer in the military sense. Like Billy Mitchell game-changing. We can simply overwhelm any nations defense with inert tungsten rods and then bomb it to ash at our leisure. You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. 
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: ~1,000 rapid reaction troops anywhere in a half hour (Space Marines?). |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal:
The thing is even if he is off by a factor of ten in his flight rate estimates, it will still dwarf everything we have done in space to date. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:51:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Moon and Mars have much less gravity. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUaSUOyX4AAeQNq.jpg You need about 9,400m/s of delta V to get into orbit from Earth. (True number is 7.8km/s, but Earth atomsphere and gravity losses make it higher, plus atmospheric engines have lower ISP) You only need about 1,730m/s to get into orbit from the moon, and 3,800m/s to get into mars orbit. Starship can give a ~150 tonne payload a dV of ~6km/s. Super heavy booster can add about 3.4 to that and land. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Ok people, read that fucking chart and see why shooting nuke waste into the sun is beyond retarded. Far easier to shoot it into deep space or just let it crash into Jupiter.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:30:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
eat crap, Bridenstine
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Thats crazy, but I feel like it would be pretty cramped with 100 people in there  |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:32:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: For starters, with that much cheap lift, the Air Force could buy them for bombers. Strike anywhere in minutes. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 7:01:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony:
That will be the Super Heavy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By DCV_117: Thats crazy, but I feel like it would be pretty cramped with 100 people in there 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:28:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
You could also use SS as a single stage to send over troops ballistically. A dozen of them could send ~1,000 rapid reaction troops anywhere in a half hour (Space Marines?). You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
This much lift is a strategic game-changer in the military sense. Like Billy Mitchell game-changing. We can simply overwhelm any nations defense with inert tungsten rods and then bomb it to ash at our leisure. You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:33:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
Manned flights next year I feel that is extremely optimistic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:45:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:13:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Harlikwin]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: You don't need the booster for p2p... I would think that would be of interest to the military, with a dozen of them your could transport a thousand troops anywhere on earth in under an hour. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:25:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478:
330-380 depending on nozzle and altitude. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:29:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople:
I agree. I suspect there will be multiple in flight failures based upon the Falcon 9 history. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople:
Originally Posted By DCV_117:
Manned flights next year I feel that is extremely optimistic. Nasa lost forty percent of the shuttle fleet, and it was a miracle there weren't more shuttle losses. Saturn five flew 13 times with two flights suffering from 'pogo' oscillations, both severe enough to cause engine shutdowns. Proton K and M are on 89% and 90% (vastly more missions for K though, with consequently more failures). Its all moot at this point. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: 440+km/s is easy |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:35:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jon101: I think the Falcon mission success rate is around 98%. Nasa lost forty percent of the shuttle fleet, and it was a miracle there weren't more shuttle losses. Saturn five flew 13 times with two flights suffering from 'pogo' oscillations, both severe enough to cause engine shutdowns. Proton K and M are on 89% and 90% (vastly more missions for K though, with consequently more failures). Its all moot at this point. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tolip:
His brain isn't optimised for bullshitting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tolip:
Originally Posted By Element94:
Listening to him is exhausting. 
Apparently you have not paid attention to how he runs Tesla. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Well, that's not exactly right, you aren't putting that waste into a sun orbit... |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Well, that's not exactly right, you aren't putting that waste into a sun orbit... |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
My body is ready https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:36:05 PM EDT
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I’m curious to see what kind of redundancies they plan on installing for manned missions. To the moon isn’t that big of a deal since the orbit is pretty much the same. However, trips to Mars has to hit orbital windows when the Earth and Mars align in their orbits that are like 18 months apart. So once you’re out, you’re cut off from resupply until the next 18 month orbital window opens up.
Concepts like mining Mars to make return fuel seems sketchy at the first run. Mining in spacesuits and minimal infrastructure seems difficult to nearly impossible. I don't see them hauling a boring machine on their first trip or ever considering their size and weight, they’d need to be built there. So sending multiple Starships to stage in place seems like the only real safe solution. Parking return fuel ships in orbit for the return home flight. Then do you send just one? Or do you send two just Incase Murphy happens and shit gets fucked up. Provisions will have to be sent to plan for a worst case scenario where food production planet side doesn’t fly. Provisions would have to be trucked there or they’d be stuck on a space Vegan diet. With a vertical lift and landing system, it seems difficult to load and unload equipment. On Mars or the moon, there is no established landing pad with infrastructure present to assist. Imagine that big bastard launching from the dirt surface of the moon or Mars and the amount of debris that will be kicked up. So their little colony is going to have to be set aways a way from wherever they touch down. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: 440 is just from low solar orbit to the suns surface. For reference, getting to low earth orbit is around ten. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:07:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
submarines are a better deterrent. satellites cant hide. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
Originally Posted By DCV_117:
My body is ready https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys: submarines are a better deterrent. satellites cant hide. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:47:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
submarines are a better deterrent. satellites cant hide. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys:
Originally Posted By DCV_117:
My body is ready https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
My body is ready https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
This much lift is a strategic game-changer in the military sense. Like Billy Mitchell game-changing. We can simply overwhelm any nations defense with inert tungsten rods and then bomb it to ash at our leisure. You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: Indeed, though it’s on a almost first come first served basis once you install anti-ICBM satellites, orbit is the ultimate high ground, once you control the orbitals, nuclear deterant becomes reliant upon vulnerable surface skimming cruise missiles and strategic bombers again. Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. We’re either there or close enough. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. We’re either there or close enough. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
Originally Posted By 3Trip: Indeed, though it’s on a almost first come first served basis once you install anti-ICBM satellites, orbit is the ultimate high ground, once you control the orbitals, nuclear deterant becomes reliant upon vulnerable surface skimming cruise missiles and strategic bombers again. Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. We’re either there or close enough. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:07:39 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wtfboombrb: China has freaked out publicly over it. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:21:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: Indeed, though it’s on a almost first come first served basis once you install anti-ICBM satellites, orbit is the ultimate high ground, once you control the orbitals, nuclear deterant becomes reliant upon vulnerable surface skimming cruise missiles and strategic bombers again. Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip:
Indeed, though it’s on a almost first come first served basis once you install anti-ICBM satellites, orbit is the ultimate high ground, once you control the orbitals, nuclear deterant becomes reliant upon vulnerable surface skimming cruise missiles and strategic bombers again. Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip:
Originally Posted By DCV_117:
Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
This much lift is a strategic game-changer in the military sense. Like Billy Mitchell game-changing. We can simply overwhelm any nations defense with inert tungsten rods and then bomb it to ash at our leisure. You could lob a single 150 tonne rod too... the ultimate bunker buster. would release a quarter kiloton of energy. Carriers would be obsolete. Imagine a 150 tonne KE vehicle that shotguns itself into 150 pieces right before impact (again, each one with 10x the energy of a 16-inch gun) Fucking pure Heinlein shit right here. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/kinetic_bombardment_system_by_artraccoon_d8inhci-fullview_jpg-1106529.JPG Meanwhile the side that has control of the orbitals can launch missiles, bombs, forces and more from orbit to anywhere they please. Who needs airbases in semi-hostile nations when you can drop a rod from space or land troops anywhere not too flammable in 45 minutes or less? Someone mentioned you can’t hide a satellite and subs are better for stealth and that’s what’s needed for MAD, that’s only half true. You need to either be hard to find, or hard to reach. subs are stealthy, but are easy to kill once you find them. Most Satellites are visible, but are damn hard to kill from earth, you need to use a much much more expensive rocket than the satellite you’re trying to kill. Hitting a satellite in fixed orbit is hard enough to kill, nevermind one with active counter measures to overcome. Mark my words. The First Nation to have global anti-ICBM satellite coverage will become the first hyper power. As soon as SPACEX begins pumping out super heavies and starships we should take full advantage of the new tech while the rest of the world is still trying to catch up and take control the orbitals. We’re already playing worlds policeman, but we are unable to do much to stop the current crop of nuclear armed bullies. If we can control the orbitals, we can make enforcing world stability easier than ever before. It won’t be a big deal if Iran develops ICBMs, we’ll just blow them apart before they reach apex. If China wants to put up a “weather” satellite, it’ll have to pass inspection. And if they misbehave in say the South China Sea, we can wipe out their navel forces in minutes with conventional and knetic weapons. We should take the orbitals as soon as it’s possible while other nations are paying thousands per kilogram to orbit while spacex’s super heavy can get us there for low hundreds. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
All Russia’s new shit is designed to be resistant to SBI Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow:
Originally Posted By wtfboombrb: China has freaked out publicly over it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:54:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RX-78-2: Couldn’t a laser take a satellite down? https://momentus.space/ The Space Force Should be clearing out space junk as practice. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 5:00:56 PM EDT
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I really want to know if multiple starships or starship components could be linked into a Von Braun wheel.
I know that you'd lose the cost effectiveness due to non-reusability, but damn if we couldn't have a space station (or ship) with artificial gravity. And could the Starships be arranged in a Falcon Heavy configuration for lifting some stupidly heavy shit? (things I think about while driving) |
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