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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:33:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd:
This doesn't surprise me. They probably need to rebuild the whole thing based on the pics that came out yesterday. Foundation is fucked. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:35:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:37:40 AM EDT
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 Starbase Launch Site Flyover *pad damage |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:44:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: This doesn't surprise me. They probably need to rebuild the whole thing based on the pics that came out yesterday. Foundation is fucked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd:
This doesn't surprise me. They probably need to rebuild the whole thing based on the pics that came out yesterday. Foundation is fucked. I'm wondering if the foundation of the tower itself was compromised. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:44:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Houstons_Problem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: I love all the doomer comments and speculation on the test launch. Did SpaceX make a big fucking crater and hurt the booster? Yes. Does it really matter in the long run? No. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: I'm wondering if the foundation of the tower itself was compromised. That's what I meant. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:53:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:58:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mousehunter: I have not made it down to South Padre for years, but water temperature is seasonal. Not sure when you went. I have family with a beach house in Bolivar, so I am more used to the water temperature there. It is still cool, but it should be getting pleasant soon - and will be almost too warm to enjoy by the end of the summer. That said, cool is relative. I went to the beach this time of the year in Delaware. That was cold. https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/Bolivar.png https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/South-Padre-Island.png Apparently Bolivar is a little cooler in the winter, and maybe a degree warmer in the summer. Still 85 is warm water. For comparison - here is Rohoboth's water temp https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/Rehoboth-Main.png Average water temp now is about 45, and it's warmest is still 10 degrees below S. Padre. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mousehunter: Originally Posted By RyanEsstac: If it wasn't for space X I wouldn't have spent $3-4000 locally there last summer visiting. I would have never went there. I did learn it's a really nice spot, but holy crap the water is cold. That said, cool is relative. I went to the beach this time of the year in Delaware. That was cold. https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/Bolivar.png https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/South-Padre-Island.png Apparently Bolivar is a little cooler in the winter, and maybe a degree warmer in the summer. Still 85 is warm water. For comparison - here is Rohoboth's water temp https://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/Rehoboth-Main.png Average water temp now is about 45, and it's warmest is still 10 degrees below S. Padre. Middle of July. It was freezing cold, maybe it was just a fluke. I'm uses to Outer Banks and Florida Atlantic temps which can be cold but usually get warm in the summer unless there's storms. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:14:42 PM EDT
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Now have a damage extent map.
1. Repair concrete. Add footed piers with sand locks below current pads to be integrated with decking in step 2. 2. Cover with steel decking. 100% seam welds to prevent high velocity gas intrusion and lifting. Anchor to concrete piers with footed sand locks installed in step 1. 3. Add water cooling channels and top decking to create a channelized water cooled sandwich. 4. Consider use of 300 series stainless in area of highest temperatures and directional exhaust blast. Also consider separate and enhanced water cooling circuits for these areas. 5. Paint with ablative paint enriched with dyes to produce glorious red and blue smoke during launch. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:20:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: The only battleship ready booster and second stage stack tested to withstand concrete bombardment, achieve orbital velocity after six engine loss, and complete full directional reversal at separation altitude in atmosphere. It did not come close to orbital velocity. I asked earlier if the velocity achieved just prior to it somersaulting was enough for Starship to reach orbital velocity after staging. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Imagine three of these together to use as boosters for another heavy lifter https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Super-Heavy-Booster-4-080421-SpaceX-orbital-mount-install-1-crop.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/SpaceX_Super_Heavy_Starship_with_additio-2791857.JPG https://i.insider.com/5c630c392628983d2a4dc1fb?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp 
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFor anyone who was wondering, that's a CBP Aerostat radar balloon at ~1:30. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: The only battleship ready booster and second stage stack tested to withstand concrete bombardment, achieve orbital velocity after six engine loss, and complete full directional reversal at separation altitude in atmosphere. What orbital velocity ? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:43:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Houstons_Problem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: It did not come close to orbital velocity. I asked earlier if the velocity achieved just prior to it somersaulting was enough for Starship to reach orbital velocity after staging. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:44:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dagger41]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: It did not come close to orbital velocity. I asked earlier if the velocity achieved just prior to it somersaulting was enough for Starship to reach orbital velocity after staging. Not even close to it. For example, MECO for an F9 launch is around 7800 km/h at an altitude of 70+ km. The heavy stack barely broke 2200 km/h before it lost control and energy carried to to around 37 km. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanEsstac: Middle of July. It was freezing cold, maybe it was just a fluke. I'm uses to Outer Banks and Florida Atlantic temps which can be cold but usually get warm in the summer unless there's storms. Hurricanes can do some weird things, but that sounds extreme. What year? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 12:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Have a really hard time believing July water temps wouldn't be at least in the low 80's. Hurricanes can do some weird things, but that sounds extreme. What year? Yeah. July in the gulf is usually disappointingly warm. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 1:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Not even close to it. For example, MECO for an F9 launch is around 7800 km/h at an altitude of 70+ km. The heavy stack barely broke 2200 km/h before it lost control and energy carried to to around 37 km. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: It did not come close to orbital velocity. I asked earlier if the velocity achieved just prior to it somersaulting was enough for Starship to reach orbital velocity after staging. Not even close to it. For example, MECO for an F9 launch is around 7800 km/h at an altitude of 70+ km. The heavy stack barely broke 2200 km/h before it lost control and energy carried to to around 37 km. Completely different vehicles and not remotely comparable. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 2:11:38 PM EDT
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Just part of the poors. My access to a beach house cheap is when nobody wants to rent it. I rarely go when the water is warm enough to enjoy swimming (then it is due to tropical storm cancellations)-but I can download charts that say when it is warm.
I missed the satire. Honestly, S. Padre might be one of the warmest beaches in the US. God forgive me, as I am tempted to post a few more graphs to explore that statement. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 2:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mousehunter: Just part of the poors. My access to a beach house cheap is when nobody wants to rent it. I rarely go when the water is warm enough to enjoy swimming (then it is due to tropical storm cancellations)-but I can download charts that say when it is warm. I missed the satire. Honestly, S. Padre might be one of the warmest beaches in the US. God forgive me, as I am tempted to post a few more graphs to explore that statement. No it was seriously cold when we went. Like force yourself in until you're numb below the waist, then you are comfortable. This was around the second week of July last year. Must have been one of those days where the wind or currents change and are pushing cold water ashore. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 2:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Completely different vehicles and not remotely comparable. Ok I'm listening. Please elaborate. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 2:50:12 PM EDT
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Well I do find it funny, that it's most popular weekend is Spring Break (usually in March) - when the water is always too cold to enjoy swimming.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mousehunter: Just part of the poors. My access to a beach house cheap is when nobody wants to rent it. I rarely go when the water is warm enough to enjoy swimming (then it is due to tropical storm cancellations)-but I can download charts that say when it is warm. I missed the satire. Honestly, S. Padre might be one of the warmest beaches in the US. God forgive me, as I am tempted to post a few more graphs to explore that statement. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:26:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mousehunter]
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Googled a few Florida beaches - peak temp is about the same as S. Padre, but lows are considerably higher. Less spread. Florida beaches to me are relevant, as I spend a few days on Coco beach and missed a Falcon 9 launch there. Kind of the thing about space launches I guess.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:28:21 PM EDT
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   video Michael Baylor (@nextspaceflight) April 22, 2023
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:29:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:30:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:35:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:36:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:42:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:48:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Some of our GSE guys were wondering if the vibrations caused the moist sand to be liquified helping to speed up rapid disassembly of the pad |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:56:11 PM EDT
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Drawworks armor needs attention.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 3:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Drawworks armor needs attention. yeah, that thing got blasted, hopefully it still works. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:01:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Not a criticism because I know what this whole first launch and first site is about but it seems like they are going to have to really re-think some things in order to achieve any kind of tempo with launches. It will be really interesting to see what kind of changes they implement for the next go around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5T9WWYAAcFpN?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5VTlXoAAZGRq?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5knbWAAE7l2Q?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5mMPWIAAcH6s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5nLlWIAAXJ0s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV5_t6XgAEVW6u?format=jpg&name=orig https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV6ANUWcAAF3hv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuV6AsjXoAM01xn?format=jpg&name=large Not a criticism because I know what this whole first launch and first site is about but it seems like they are going to have to really re-think some things in order to achieve any kind of tempo with launches. It will be really interesting to see what kind of changes they implement for the next go around. This setup was always meant to be for testing only. They pretty much have to launch from off shore if they are going to ramp up to the tempo needed to build and support a Mars colony. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:04:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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more from Starship Gazer
                  
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:05:33 PM EDT
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you just know that the Enviroweenies are going to try and stop future launches with all of this debris all over the wildlife area.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Not even close to it. For example, MECO for an F9 launch is around 7800 km/h at an altitude of 70+ km. The heavy stack barely broke 2200 km/h before it lost control and energy carried to to around 37 km. That is what I pointed out earlier. There is a huge delta between the altitude and velocity of Falcon 9 at staging and what we saw with Starship with 6 or 7 engines out. One thing that I don't know is what altitude and speed should the Starship and booster have achieved at MECO if things were working properly? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: you just know that the Enviroweenies are going to try and stop future launches with all of this debris all over the wildlife area. And the funny part is space nerds will have the area picked clean gathering souvenirs by Monday morning. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:14:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:21:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: realwar]
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Photos & Prints
2024 Starship Calender  4K: Witnessing the most powerful rocket launch in history (with HQ AUDIO!) |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: more from Starship Gazer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuWCUlLWYAEK_3W?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:28:41 PM EDT
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My new avatar.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:28:55 PM EDT
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Geebus.
1-2 years is my guess. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:29:32 PM EDT
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Just slap a new coat of pain on the launch stand and get back at it. I would definitely build up a barrier or wall of some sort around the fuel farm tanks.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:32:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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        HESCO's have seen better days    
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:41:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: more from Starship Gazer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuWCUlLWYAEK_3W?format=jpg&name=large  I appreciate the extra work embedding them here. |
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