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Fulcrum-5 Member Joined Nov 2014 Posts 14959 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 10/30/2023 12:26:35 PM EDT [#1] Quote History Originally Posted By WesJanson: So are we potentially seeing a launch on Wed...? View Quote I think we'd hear about the FAA issuing a license (meaning that USFW signed off). Nothing yet, AFAIK.

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91158 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 10/31/2023 1:27:36 PM EDT [#2] SpaceX takes a step toward its next Starship launch. pic.twitter.com/vQ8ih05tfw Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) October 31, 2023

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Posted: 11/1/2023 8:06:04 PM EDT

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Starship would be an ICBM with a heck of a throw weight. I think you could fit a Tzar Bomba in there.

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mirvs are likely far more destructive than a Tsar Bomba. Inverse square law on essentially a 2d surface, one thing I have theorized is actually starship just loaded up with autonomous IR seeking drones each with a grenade like payload or just some of the heat seeking cluster bomblets like we have on some of the cbus... it could but a heck of a lot of mirvs up too though.

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4q2 Member Joined Nov 2013 Posts 5269 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 11/1/2023 8:48:25 PM EDT [#6] . Gov agencies fuck up everything they touch . I want to see launches , lots of launches if that’s what it takes to get this right .
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Someone has heard something.

No earlier than 6Nov23. I don't think there has been anything published that projected a date yet.

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Yup.

From what I’m hearing, a Nov. 6 SpaceX Starship launch date is off the table. But work continues and an attempt this month is still very much on the table as SpaceX and the FAA work closely together. The meeting with Elon and FAA officials last month was “cordial” and productive. pic.twitter.com/rUCuWUta3h
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Yeah, mid-November NET, and hopefully sticks. Come on you Fish People!
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. Gov agencies fuck up everything they touch . I want to see launches , lots of launches if that's what it takes to get this right .

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It must be so much more difficult to iterate when you aren't allowed to do the actual tests. And now they have to wait longer while the gov decides if 10 seconds of spraying potable water on a 100 yard swath of land adjacent to a launch site for the world's largest rocket is grounds for shutting down the program. It's something they have been doing anyway every time they test the deluge system. Not to mention fresh water from rain. It's asinine and laughable.

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Posted: 11/2/2023 12:14:12 PM EDT

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Let the Starship funding flow...

Excited to announce that @SpaceX @Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow! Excellent work by a great team.

Starlink is also now a majority of all active satellites and will have launched a a majority of all satellites cumulatively from Earth by next year.
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 2, 2023

The Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) folk are back out in force at Starbase this morning.https://t.co/e3xbqPo4OD pic.twitter.com/xVvz6TvWdT
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Originally Posted By Zam18th:

It must be so much more difficult to iterate when you aren't allowed to do the actual tests. And now they have to wait longer while the gov decides if 10 seconds of spraying potable water on a 100 yard swath of land adjacent to a launch site for the world's largest rocket is grounds for shutting down the program. It's something they have been doing anyway every time they test the deluge system. Not to mention fresh water from rain. It's asinine and laughable.

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Originally Posted By 4q2:
. Gov agencies fuck up everything they touch . I want to see launches , lots of launches if that's what it takes to get this right .

It must be so much more difficult to iterate when you aren't allowed to do the actual tests. And now they have to wait longer while the gov decides if 10 seconds of spraying potable water on a 100 yard swath of land adjacent to a launch site for the world's largest rocket is grounds for shutting down the program. It's something they have been doing anyway every time they test the deluge system. Not to mention fresh water from rain. It's asinine and laughable.

Can you imagine what the world would be like if government actually tried to help (in that way that 8 year old kids are taught that government should work)....

"Mr. Musk, it appears that our system of forcing you to apply for a new permit before every launch is too inefficient. We're changing our policies so that we can issue you a blanket permit which is good for a 3 year period."

Orion_Shall_Rise Member Joined Nov 2002 Posts 17681 EE 0% (0) ME, USA	Posted: 11/2/2023 12:35:21 PM EDT [#11] Staylink is break even now at like 2 million subscribers... That's only gonna grow probably exponentially.

Hadrian Individual Rights Absolutist Joined Sep 2001 Posts 29417 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/2/2023 1:07:55 PM EDT [#12] Quote History Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Starlink is break even now at like 2 million subscribers... That's only gonna grow probably exponentially. View Quote Subscribing to Starlink seems like the best way for the average joe to directly support Starship development.
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HeavyMetal Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars Joined Feb 2001 Posts 49231 EE 100% (4) WV, USA	Posted: 11/2/2023 1:53:05 PM EDT [#13] Or buy a Tesla…
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vmpglenn Team Member Joined Oct 2002 Posts 5930 EE 100% (155) WI, USA	Posted: 11/2/2023 2:01:02 PM EDT [Last Edit: vmpglenn] [#14] Quote History Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Or buy a Tesla… View Quote Well... Musk has explicitly linked Starlink revenue to funding Starship. Tesla just enriches Musk personally and lets him add $$ if absolutely needed; but the goal has always been funding Starship via Starlink.
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Obo2 Member Joined Feb 2012 Posts 35365 EE 0% (0) SYC	Posted: 11/2/2023 2:17:09 PM EDT [#15] Quote History Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Staylink is break even now at like 2 million subscribers... That's only gonna grow probably exponentially. View Quote i don't think that is how exponential growth works. but yeah that is a drop in the bucket compared to their eventual market.

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Posted: 11/2/2023 2:52:26 PM EDT

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Subscribing to Starlink seems like the best way for the average joe to directly support Starship development.

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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Starlink is break even now at like 2 million subscribers... That's only gonna grow probably exponentially.

Subscribing to Starlink seems like the best way for the average joe to directly support Starship development.

Been subscribed for almost 2 years now

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Posted: 11/3/2023 2:18:00 PM EDT

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i don't think that is how exponential growth works. but yeah that is a drop in the bucket compared to their eventual market.

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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Staylink is break even now at like 2 million subscribers... That's only gonna grow probably exponentially.

i don't think that is how exponential growth works. but yeah that is a drop in the bucket compared to their eventual market.

As a telecom guy I can say that starlink definitely has a service capacity cap, at some point adding more customers will not be possible or will kill quality of service. The main bottlenecks are going to be the terrestrial landing stations and peering agreements with other companies. Iirc most telecoms companies have a retail customer over-subscription rate of 20:1. IE they sell the same network capacity to 20 customers. So if the landing station can average 10Tb then the company could probably sell 200Tb of contracted customer traffic.

Why can they massively oversubscribe their customers like this? Most retail customers and even a bunch of commercial customers do not use all their alloted bandwidth. So as long as you have enough network capacity for the occasional traffic spike you can oversell a lot.

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91194 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 3:57:54 PM EDT [#18] The second flight test of a fully integrated Starship could launch as soon as mid-November, pending regulatory approval ? https://t.co/pxgvgUeIFF pic.twitter.com/P40vOCaFaZ SpaceX (@SpaceX) November 3, 2023

Dagger41 Member Joined Sep 2011 Posts 58043 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 4:07:07 PM EDT [#19] I'll start holding my breath when the FTS systems get installed and everything is at full stack.
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Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91195 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 4:11:42 PM EDT [#20] And on the SpaceX link, you can see the change Elon noted would happen. The maiden flight involved six seconds of being on the mount during ignition. This time it's three. That's less stress on the pad surface, etc. And they have the water deluge system this time. pic.twitter.com/reVBOqcNbQ Chris Bergin - NSF (@NASASpaceflight) November 3, 2023

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Posted: 11/3/2023 4:56:56 PM EDT

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Looks like SpaceX could potentially be targeting November 13th according to the website code
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Orrrrrr... this is just some random date on that code that just happens to be within the "mid-November" window that the company gave, nothing special \uD83D\uDE05 pic.twitter.com/pxHcKEC3kX
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Posted: 11/3/2023 5:32:41 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Chokey:

And on the SpaceX link, you can see the change Elon noted would happen. The maiden flight involved six seconds of being on the mount during ignition. This time it's three. That's less stress on the pad surface, etc. And they have the water deluge system this time. pic.twitter.com/reVBOqcNbQ
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It hung on the pad because of engine outs.

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Zam18th Joined Nov 2004 Posts 13443 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 5:59:49 PM EDT [#23] Flight 1 timeline https://everydayastronaut.com/starship-superheavy-orbital-flight-test/ Flight 2 timeline https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-2

1Andy2 Member Joined Jul 2004 Posts 111656 EE 100% (71) TX, USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 7:02:35 PM EDT [#24] I live about 200 miles north of boca chica. I'm wondering what the furthest north you can be and still see the launch would be. Given a 2 hour notice of launch, might I be able to jump in my car and drive south far enough to see at least a flame trail clear the horizon?
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HeavyMetal Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars Joined Feb 2001 Posts 49240 EE 100% (4) WV, USA	Posted: 11/3/2023 7:52:49 PM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: It hung on the pad because of engine outs. View Quote No, because of the start sequence. Musk was trying not to hammer the pad apart.
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Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91204 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/4/2023 9:38:00 AM EDT [#27] A new mesh net under the OLM this morning. It looks like it would catch anything that falls/rolls off of the OLM work platform to protect workers and the water deluge plate surface. 11/4/23https://t.co/qn7TnVyZhR pic.twitter.com/j53w1LvfKn Starship Gazer (@StarshipGazer) November 4, 2023

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91208 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/4/2023 3:20:50 PM EDT [#28]

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DK-Prof PsychoPolitical Master and Father Boog Joined Feb 2001 Posts 156185 EE 100% (11) VA, USA	Posted: 11/4/2023 11:54:16 PM EDT [#30] That's an awesome photo.
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Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91238 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/5/2023 5:06:51 PM EDT [#31] Astronaut Training and Starship - With Jared Isaacman and Tim Dodd- NSF Live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VP8GwnIYiY

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91247 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/6/2023 5:17:51 PM EDT [#32] Here's our animation of the flight path! \uD83D\uDE80 pic.twitter.com/gi9zJOjml9 Newsthink (@Newsthink) November 3, 2023

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91248 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/6/2023 5:41:12 PM EDT [#33] Closures for November 13th through the 15th have just been posted. This is likely for the 2nd Starship Integrated Flight Test! Time to get excited! pic.twitter.com/hM0fq66hPo — Zack Golden (@CSI_Starbase) November 6, 2023

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91249 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/6/2023 5:42:28 PM EDT [#34] Regarding the new closures. Yes they say "No Flight" but I think the likely explanation is the fact, that they cant call it flight closures until necessary paper work is done. But these scream and sound like flight closures for IFT-2. pic.twitter.com/a2QsFqFkjZ Adrian Beil (@BCCarCounters) November 6, 2023

Zam18th Joined Nov 2004 Posts 13445 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 11/7/2023 3:01:42 PM EDT [Last Edit: Zam18th] [#35] A NOTAM has been posted for Mexican airspace for the next launch of SpaceX's Starship rocket. The notice is valid from November 13th to 18th with daily windows running from 7AM CST to 9:39AM CST (13:00-15:39 UTC). pic.twitter.com/6Kk0yNDyO8 — Alejandro Alcantarilla Romera (Alex) (@Alexphysics13) November 7, 2023

Furloaf Joined Mar 2010 Posts 4057 EE 100% (2) OH, USA	Posted: 11/7/2023 11:13:01 PM EDT [#36] Until the fish cops give their go I'm not expecting anything. Maybe SpaceX has a heads up on the report being finished.

HeavyMetal Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars Joined Feb 2001 Posts 49258 EE 100% (4) WV, USA	Posted: 11/8/2023 11:39:20 AM EDT [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By Furloaf: Until the fish cops give their go I'm not expecting anything. Maybe SpaceX has a heads up on the report being finished. View Quote The fish cops talk to the FAA. I guarantee the FAA has a rep assigned the case in contact with SpaceX’s environmental consultant. They talk.
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Obo2 Member Joined Feb 2012 Posts 35460 EE 0% (0) SYC	Posted: 11/8/2023 4:09:34 PM EDT [#38] Quote History Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: It hung on the pad because of engine outs. View Quote no they intended to hold it for 6 seconds.

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91263 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/8/2023 5:27:10 PM EDT [#39] NET 15th now

goodspeed11 Joined Mar 2011 Posts 834 EE 0% (0) IN, USA	Posted: 11/8/2023 11:29:18 PM EDT [Last Edit: goodspeed11] [#40] Quote History Originally Posted By Obo2: no they intended to hold it for 6 seconds. View Quote There's a hold for 6 seconds during ignition of the 3 rings of engines. The first launch did "drift" off the pad before rising as it adjusted for the engine outages.

Chokey Member Joined Oct 2001 Posts 91272 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 11/9/2023 10:37:13 AM EDT [#41] Starship FTS (Flight Termination System) Explosives are on the move and about to be installed! A sure sign that launch is happening as soon as Nov. 15th! 11/9/23https://t.co/qn7TnVzx7p pic.twitter.com/xtDzDV4vKn Starship Gazer (@StarshipGazer) November 9, 2023

Dagger41 Member Joined Sep 2011 Posts 58116 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 11/9/2023 10:48:32 AM EDT [#42] I think that was a rehearsal.
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they're up on the booster right now.

Flight Termination System (FTS) work is taking place today. Obviously won't be "pulling any pins" until just before restack near launch day, but it is another good sign they are staging for next week (NET 15th).https://t.co/e3xbqPo4OD pic.twitter.com/lnAxzOQU5J
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turtle2472 Wasteland Wanderer Joined Feb 2009 Posts 1521 EE 0% (0) SC, USA	Posted: 11/9/2023 10:57:11 AM EDT [#44] Full Dress Rehearsal?
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Starship FTS (Flight Termination System) Explosives are on the move and about to be installed! A sure sign that launch is happening as soon as Nov. 15th!

11/9/23https://t.co/qn7TnVzx7p pic.twitter.com/xtDzDV4vKn
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Originally Posted By Chokey:

Starship FTS (Flight Termination System) Explosives are on the move and about to be installed! A sure sign that launch is happening as soon as Nov. 15th!

11/9/23https://t.co/qn7TnVzx7p pic.twitter.com/xtDzDV4vKn
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This program produces so many iconic images.

It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.

MtnMusic Joined Feb 2013 Posts 8356 EE 0% (0) MT, USA	Posted: 11/9/2023 12:28:54 PM EDT [#48] Are those surplus rocket boxes? That's cool.... "Yo dawg, I heard you like rockets, so here's some rocket boxes to put in your rocket". Meanwhile, NASA would need to hire a new DEI coordinator to determine the gender and intersectional details for the individuals chosen to carry their $20 million custom parts....

Furloaf Joined Mar 2010 Posts 4060 EE 100% (2) OH, USA	Posted: 11/9/2023 12:49:10 PM EDT [#49] Do you think they carry the shaped charges facing away from themselves or not bother? Probably be dead either way if it happened to go off.

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Posted: 11/9/2023 12:51:59 PM EDT

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. Gov agencies fuck up everything they touch . I want to see launches , lots of launches if that’s what it takes to get this right .

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It's a huge problem. SpaceX really needs to be launching routinely soon if they hope to even have a prayer of supporting the Artemis 3 mission.

I'm not sure we will take this serious until China sends some dudes to lap the moon.

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