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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:07:39 AM EDT
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The only plus I can say for smoking is that it helps people manage stress. Wish I could just suck on a cancer stick every time I get agitated at work...
Oh, almost forgot about the 15 smoke breaks a day that smokers get. That's also a bonus, guess it's to make up for the likely short life expectancy. 
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:09:36 AM EDT
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Home of the “free”. Yeah, right.
Home of the ‘Nanny State’ more like it These laws give carte blanc to government for micromanaging individual businesses. Another law under the guise of ‘Public Safety’ Leave that right to the business |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:20:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be up to private businesses if they want to allow it or not I don't want to smell your big diesel passenger truck so lets get the government involved to make them illegal It was the smell of freedom. Private business should be able to allow it or not. Be it cig smoke or diesel smoke or the sound of your scary firearm they can hear from 2 miles away that they want stopped. Freedom scares a minority of timid adults and we cave in to them everytime now. But for decades they were told to fuck off and or leave if they don't like it. They had their freedom we had ours. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:23:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:23:25 AM EDT
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It was a huge step towards a Nanny state run by Karens. The "secondhand smoke kills 87 million Americans every 3 minutes" was bullshit from the git-go. You could ask to be seated in the nonsmoking section or go to another restaurant.
Now when TV shows come on the trigger warnings say: Sexual violence, gore, illegal drug abuse, smoking. Yea, smoking is equitable to sexual violence and gore. I have smoked 2-3 cigarettes in my life and that was 50 years ago. But if somebody wants to smoke IDGAF. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:27:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. You want to stink up your house and car? More power to you. But I shouldn't have to be subjected to your stench. This. Yes the country was better then, but it was unrelated to nasty indoor smoke. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:27:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tobacco was the catalyst of the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution. We went from throwing shit out of windows to walking on the moon because of tobacco. Ever seen a picture of Mission Control? Ash trays packed. Then tobacco use fell of a cliff and so did civilization. It’s just truth. Its just the honest to God truth. It also made us way better at doing wars. Ww1 and ww2 both wins. Then we banned indoor smoking and we’ve lost every war since. Iraq war, Afghanistan both losses. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:31:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...Then we banned indoor smoking and we've lost every war since....     |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:34:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should private establishment be able to allow smoking on their premise? If you don’t like it, simply don’t frequent that establishment. No one cares that you’re “sensitive to smoke”. That’s your problem. The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. As far as private businesses go, the free market doesn't always work as well as we fantasise that it does. If it did, we'd still have leaded gasoline, lead paint, and asbestos everywhere. Sometimes the gov't stepping in on public health matters is warranted. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:35:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even those places don't allow cigarettes. That said the "dangers of second hand smoke" were ridiculously overblown. Tell that to thousands of non-smokers who died from lung cancer. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:40:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Should private establishment be able to allow smoking on their premise? If you don’t like it, simply don’t frequent that establishment. No one cares that you’re “sensitive to smoke”. That’s your problem. The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:41:28 AM EDT
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My position on it may have recently changed after my wife inherited a bunch of MO stock.
Everyone should light up. The smell of money takes some of the stink off of it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. For a bar, sure! What about airports? Restaurants? Post office? Courthouse? Doctor's office? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:06:04 PM EDT
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My stance is that A/C in cars was what did smoking in. GenX got hotboxed all through childhood and pissed them off. Having to walk through the smoking section to get to the non-smoking section pissed them off. Everywhere that smelled like smoke pissed them off. The smoker "rights" and lack of courtesy pissed them off.
I really do like the idea if it's ok for someone to smoke, it's ok for someone to pee on the smoker. It's the same mentality. Let's not forget all of the litter from smokers throwing out their cigarette butts and packaging. I don't care what you do you in your home or in public as long as it doesn't infringe on others. Courtesy goes a long way, but that is lost on smokers. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:08:52 PM EDT
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I don't smoke and think cigarette smokes smells awful. I was glad when it got banned and I no longer had to be subjected to it when at bars and concert venues. That being said, I don't think the government should have intervened. It should have been left up to the establishment to determine whether or not and where they wanted to allow smoking.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:09:16 PM EDT
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In parks too. Playing little league baseball in the 80's where parents smoked. The wind carrying the scent into the outfield smelled like spring/summer fun. Ice cream trucks parked outside the field selling smoke bombs and stink bombs where we would have fun with parents exiting the field through small openings in the fence after games.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:10:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It was better. Except for the indoor smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:13:34 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a bar, sure! What about airports? Restaurants? Post office? Courthouse? Doctor's office? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. For a bar, sure! What about airports? Restaurants? Post office? Courthouse? Doctor's office? Post office and court houses aren’t private enterprise. The others, yes. They should determine if they want to allow smoking or not. Fwiw, non smoker here and I hate the smell of it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love walking into restaurants that were built before the 90’s and spotting what used to be the smoking section. My kids have no idea what it was. I loved getting on an airplane and requesting non-smoking. One flight 2nd class was full. I was put in 1st class next to a cute chick.  My mother died from cancer sticks. Lung cancer. The OP is a troll. Or retarded. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:25:54 PM EDT
[#20]
The non-smokers wanted a cake. Bake that cake you cigarette puffing bigot!!!
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:29:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Fuck smokers right in their cancer riddled asses.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:32:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck smokers right in their cancer riddled asses. Well they are probably doing it wrong for the cancer to riddle their asses. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:33:47 PM EDT
[#23]
and on airplanes. fight me.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:34:26 PM EDT
[#24]
I wonder how many here also advocated for forced masking during covid. Seems a little 2nd hand smoke is benign compared to the deadliest virus ever known to man.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:36:57 PM EDT
[#25]
OP Lets a Cigarette Kick His Ass
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:38:15 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and on airplanes. fight me. The world was a better place when you could smoke on airplanes and cars would kill you. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:39:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Correlation does not equal causation
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:39:09 PM EDT
[#28]
It was better in spite of, not because of, the indoor smoking.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:39:30 PM EDT
[#29]
No one is stopping you from pursuing your filthy addiction in your own home, car and airplane OP.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:42:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever wondered why you see "NASCAR" flags and not "NASA" flags in trailer parks? Have you seen the kind of people that suck down darts nowadays? Yup, who's the poster with Alabama Woman as his avatar? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:48:44 PM EDT
[#31]
When people could legally demand others act to suit themselves personally instead of just dealing with it really was, in some ways, the beginning of the end.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:51:15 PM EDT
[#32]
I rarely see anyone smoke anymore. It’s usually some methed out trailer park slut rolling down the highway in a beat up car doing it when I do.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When people could legally demand others act to suit themselves personally instead of just dealing with it really was, in some ways, the beginning of the end. Correct. Thats the gist of why i have a problem with it. We allowed the government to enforce something that people find distasteful with the barrel of a gun rather than personal choice. Same types of karens who brought you safe and sane fireworks, and now outright fireworks bans in many places. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:32:16 PM EDT
[#34]
TL;DR
I’ve never been a smoker. But, when the no smoking rules started flying, it seemed to release the inner Karen in a whole lot of otherwise “tolerable” people. I believe that success empowered a generation of Karen’s. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:35:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Most of the smokers I see now are lower class whites or minorities.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:42:42 PM EDT
[#36]
The only people I know who still smoke are low IQ and or poor people.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:45:56 PM EDT
[#37]
As long as I'm allowed to chew Copenhagen and spit into someone's mouth, I'm fine with breathing in their second hand smoke.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:37:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It was better. Except for the indoor smoking. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:39:16 PM EDT
[#39]
OP is 100% correct. I'm not sure there is any significant correlation, but it's true.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 3:28:47 PM EDT
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Geezer here (68). Personally, I am ambivalent about the subject. I can remember in the late 1970s when (if memory serves) No Smoking areas first became widespread. Mainly in public transportation and restaurants. I was in college, my early-mid 20s, non-smoker. I used to find myself sitting in the Smoking section of trains and restaurants because I didn't want to look self-righteous.
 Eventually I got over it and moved to non-smoking retail areas. I'll smoke 1-2 cigars a year but always outside, wouldn't even consider subjecting anyone to the smoke. With smokers, I always enjoy the initial smell of a freshly lit cigarette outside. Around 2019 I happened to be out of state and went into a rural bar/restaurant with friends. The place had a grandfathered smoking section and DAMN, the combination of beer and cigarette smoke smelled GREAT! It brought back wonderful memories of my teenage years, playing with my band in bars. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 4:08:59 PM EDT
[#41]
It was better. It’s a double standard, because now some places are totally cool with or don’t do anything about obnoxious weed smoke. And you’re a racist if you don’t like the smell of weed. It should be up to the business if they allow smoking or not. Back then most adults smoked so it was just a part of society.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 4:21:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your gun fire offends me lets close the ranges Jeez, bars didn't close because smoking inside was prohibited. I was about done with bars when the prohibition came in. You could always stay away form the range too. Geez, some logic there. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 4:31:19 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. As far as private businesses go, the free market doesn't always work as well as we fantasise that it does. If it did, we'd still have leaded gasoline, lead paint, and asbestos everywhere. Sometimes the gov't stepping in on public health matters is warranted. Not getting your way is no excuse for forcibly interfering in the voluntary associations between individuals. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 4:34:22 PM EDT
[#44]
It’s sad that all the smokers are dead and gone now.
I remember when you would still see one occasionally. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Yep, became a country filled with pussified karens, like this thread.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:19:56 PM EDT
[#46]
anyone else experience this as kids?
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:39:54 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a bar, sure! What about airports? Restaurants? Post office? Courthouse? Doctor's office? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. For a bar, sure! What about airports? Restaurants? Post office? Courthouse? Doctor's office? Same deal. Rights to self determine are across the board. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It definitively was. Why do you hate freedom? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Geezers have ruined it with their pearl clutching. No, it wasn't better when smoking was allowed. It is like tear gas and the whole place stank. Smoke whatever you want. Just don't inflict it on others. It definitively was. Why do you hate freedom? I love freedom, especially being free of your second hand smoke. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:53:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Geezers have ruined it with their pearl clutching. It was better for you and your fellow addicts. Others not so much. First of all it stinks. Being around smokers makes non smokers smell bad too. Then there are the health problems like cancer, emphysema and COPD. God help you if you already have asthma and live in a smoking household. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Should private establishment be able to allow smoking on their premise? If you don’t like it, simply don’t frequent that establishment. No one cares that you’re “sensitive to smoke”. That’s your problem. The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. You have a right to enter a private establishment? The concept is simple. A bar owner should be free to decide if he allows smoking in his bar or not and you are free to choose to enter said bar or not. If people don't want to go to his bar because he allows smoking, he will change his rules or fold. You both get to exercise your rights in this situation. Seems you are a more "rights for me but not for thee" kind of guy. So ban smoking except on private property. No smoking: Parks Driving on roads Sidewalks Within 10,000 feet of a school Public land Within 60,000 feet of kids As a condition of employment Under the age of 87 |
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