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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? That's why Cruz proposed the "El Chapo Act." Unfortunately, I don't see the House getting on board... |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So fine Chapo $12B. If he can't pay, he goes to a US jail forever. If he can, so be it. He takes his $2B in "phantom money", goes back to MX and whacks everybody he thinks might have turned him in. That includes all the politicians he paid off and rival gang leaders. Couple months/years worth of revenge and he'll reduce rival bad guy populatiin by 50%. By that time, we've used the $12B to build a wall, legalized and taxing the hell out of his product and his market evaporates. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:54:37 AM EDT
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No one will see a dime of that money. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:54:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It goes into the Treasury, where I am fairly certain it could only be spent via appropriate allocation. That's why Cruz proposed the "El Chapo Act." Unfortunately, I don't see the House getting on board... IIRC, police agencies use the funds for that purpose all the time don't they? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:55:01 AM EDT
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Huh. A person can "gift" money directly to the DOJ Forfeiture Fund.
That's a weird thing to put into the law.... |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:02:21 AM EDT
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The way I heard it is that Cruz is sponsoring legislation to make this happen. Congress can step in and direct that any available federal cash be used for specific purposes. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:04:44 AM EDT
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone at the DoJ asked Cruz to propose this legislation. Congress can step in and direct that any available federal cash be used for specific purposes. And considering opioids are coming in about as often and as much as cane sugar these days I doubt it would be hard to stop him. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:08:17 AM EDT
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You say Trump was always lying about a wall. Why are you still criticizing him for that considering you think a wall is stupid in the first place? A wall is completely and totally useless in its current configuration it’s being sold as. Trump sold us down the river on this... A wall is completely useless if we are allowing businesses like Trump Corp to escape criminal culpablity in hiring illegals... The wall —while Trump Corp and the Chamber of Commerce imports foreign/illegal labor— is utterly useless. Criminally targeting Trump Corp, punishing businesses that hire illegals, removing the carrot on the stick driving illegals here... then a wall will work. Trumps words on forcing Mexico to pay for the wall through remittances were all nothing more than falsehoods and lies. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:09:29 AM EDT
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I want the wall and everything but all that “free money” should go toward our debt. Gotta start paying it down sometime. but as long as more costs arrive illegally every day, the debt will continue to grow. (Yes, there are many other items contributing to the debt, but this seems like an easy place to start) |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:12:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have always maintained that a wall would only work if we were also criminally targeting businesses (like Trump Corp) who import illegals. A wall is completely and totally useless in its current configuration it’s being sold as. Trump sold us down the river on this... A wall is completely useless if we are allowing businesses like Trump Corp to escape criminal culpablity in hiring illegals... The wall —while Trump Corp and the Chamber of Commerce imports foreign/illegal labor— is utterly useless. Criminally targeting Trump Corp, punishing businesses that hire illegals, removing the carrot on the stick driving illegals here... then a wall will work. Trumps words on forcing Mexico to pay for the wall through remittances were all nothing more than falsehoods and lies. I DO AGREE COMPLETELY with you that MANY so called right wingers are in the hip pocket of the Chamber of Commerce and one of the best, if not the best way to stop illegal immigration would be under a e-verify law. Democrats are for both that (i.e., no e-verify) and votes. But the wall does have a purpose and on that I guess we will never agree fully. ETA: There was a GOP Rep from Texas on one of the talking head stations yesterday "back tracking" when asked "why the fuck didn't you people go for e-verify???". In a nutshell...…..all I got out of the GOP Rep's response was "blah, blah...…….BLAH". 
ETA: It might have been on Laura's show where I saw that yesterday...….I can't remember. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:12:17 AM EDT
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 Judicial Watch Presents: The Sun City Cell |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:15:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Romney is a lying weasel. End of story. At least Trump is trying to do something besides sell out the country. It's difficult though, when the junior senator from UT is working actively against him. What state will Romney be from next? Let's see, Michigan when daddy was governor, than Mass, now Utah. Maybe Idaho next? Who knows, really. Nevada maybe? Romney is a politician through and through. And that's not a compliment by any means. If his lips are moving, he's lying about something. Move the goal posts. Obfuscate, lie, and pass blame. Trump failed in his campaign promise to force Mexico to pay for the wall because Trump failed. It’s no one else’s fault. Romney voted *for* Trumps border wall (short fence) during the shut-down... Romney has yet to vote against Trump on anything... Trump painted himself into a corner... no one is to blame for that except Trump... 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:18:50 AM EDT
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No effective barrier will be built. Companies that need illegal labor and an open-border write a lot of checks and control a lot of handouts in Washington... |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:20:22 AM EDT
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I'm happy you voted for FHRC but I'm even happier your lady lost. Trump funded and supported Hillary in the past. Me? Never. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:21:08 AM EDT
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Sieze it from whom? If they do not have it available from US bank accounts, how will they get it?
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:21:22 AM EDT
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I don't wanna hear can.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:28:48 AM EDT
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Trump Corp, The Chamber of Commerce are powerful forces in Washington... Companies that need illegal labor and an open-border write a lot of checks and control a lot of handouts in Washington... Your posts demonstrate a lot of hatred for Trump and his policies. All that hate's gonna burn you up kid. Have you ever considered some sort of counseling? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:29:03 AM EDT
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Did Chapo really say that he had paid billions in bribes to U.S. politicians? I keep seeing that on Facebook, but nowhere else. I'm sure he did pay plenty, just don't know if he admitted it in court. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:30:16 AM EDT
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This thread is about El Chapo funding the wall. If you want to post unrelated drivel about Trump, you should find another thread. Your posts demonstrate a lot of hatred for Trump and his policies. All that hate's gonna burn you up kid. Have you ever considered some sort of counseling? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:32:34 AM EDT
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If they can find where his cash is...... There is probably a metric shit ton more out there |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:34:05 AM EDT
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No. He'd be limited by what Congress has authorized the DOJ to spend the money on when it comes to seized funds. ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:35:15 AM EDT
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:35:45 AM EDT
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I'm ok with calling the wall other equipment and furniture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures It goes beyond just that brief paragraph...…..if it is for drug smuggling purposes it does appear to give the AG a lot of power and leeway. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:36:20 AM EDT
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He can clearly buy more vehicles...…...and probably drones. He can probably buy more beds for detention purposes...…...at the very least the AG can say all these funds are going to be used to go after drug smuggling. Drones are aircraft aren't they? If so, they can be purchased and used for finding drug traffickers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Of all the things you listed it appears that "buys more equipment" would be allowed. That's basically it. Also he can't spend more than 500K on any one project without notifying Congress first... He can probably buy more beds for detention purposes...…...at the very least the AG can say all these funds are going to be used to go after drug smuggling. Drones are aircraft aren't they? If so, they can be purchased and used for finding drug traffickers. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:37:06 AM EDT
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A wall would be a law enforcement tool. border patrol and ICE said they want one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:38:21 AM EDT
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I'm ok with calling the wall other equipment and furniture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:40:22 AM EDT
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The US is not holding the money. The money is hidden, off the books, and the US will never see any significant amount of it, ever. Trump isn't going to lock-down the border, ever. Trump hires illegals at his hotels and properties. Trump said what he needed to say about border security to get elected. 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:43:14 AM EDT
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Here is the actual law........... It goes beyond just that brief paragraph...…..if it is for drug smuggling purposes it does appear to give the AG a lot of power and leeway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures It goes beyond just that brief paragraph...…..if it is for drug smuggling purposes it does appear to give the AG a lot of power and leeway. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:43:30 AM EDT
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Seized money in this case would go to the DoJ and would be managed by the US Marshal service. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:44:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how the AG can fund the DHS or build a Wall with those funds. Seems outside the law. So use it for that and watch the democrats squirm and crybaby over even that. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:45:36 AM EDT
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"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So fine Chapo $12B. If he can't pay, he goes to a US jail forever. If he can, so be it. He takes his $2B in "phantom money", goes back to MX and whacks everybody he thinks might have turned him in. That includes all the politicians he paid off and rival gang leaders. Couple months/years worth of revenge and he'll reduce rival bad guy populatiin by 50%. By that time, we've used the $12B to build a wall, legalized and taxing the hell out of his product and his market evaporates. 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:46:05 AM EDT
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but they are a LE service. Gifting. the AG can gift a wall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:46:14 AM EDT
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So a Mexican will be paying for the wall?
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look. If you can bend the law to get a FISA warrant based on a piss dossier made by "the Russians" to spy on a presidential candidate, a president-elect and a president for "Russian collusion" you can bend the law for anything... |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:47:50 AM EDT
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Look. If you can bend the law to get a FISA warrant based on a piss dossier made by "the Russians" to spy on a presidential candidate, a president-elect and a president for "Russian collusion" you can bend the law for anything... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those assets are seized by the department of justice. An executive agency. Would the president have final say in what would happen with the money? ETA: See the "Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984" for an idea of what DOJ can used seized funds for. Use of forfeited assets The assets that are forfeited for criminal and civil offenses are used "to put more cops on the street," according to former United States President George H. W. Bush.[25] The assets are dispersed among the law enforcement community for things such as paying the attorneys involved in the forfeiture case, police vehicles, meth-lab clean up, and other equipment and furniture.[22] Notable forfeitures 
There's specific laws and regulations and govern all of this - including specific definitions of things like "equipment". This is the federal government we're talking about. "Snuffy the GS-7 Contracting Officer" isn't going to break the law to build some fucking wall. It's not going to happen not matter how much Trump tweets. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:48:17 AM EDT
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So a Mexican will be paying for the wall? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:48:51 AM EDT
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No. A wall is not a Law Enforcement activity. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:49:02 AM EDT
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Well, that would at least be one Mexican paying for it. :) 
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:49:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also the CFR definition of "equipment" excludes "real property" - i.e. buildings / real estate / etc. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:51:26 AM EDT
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Also the CFR definition of "equipment" excludes "real property" - i.e. buildings / real estate / etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:52:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I miss the memo about a new intentional misspelling? Also, this sounds like a good way to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Here: Grammarly |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:53:02 AM EDT
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Build it in removable sections. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:55:24 AM EDT
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I've been asking this since day one, what is the problem using seized drug money to fund shit like this?
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:56:15 AM EDT
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Build it where? On whose property? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:58:45 AM EDT
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Socialist are gonna take it as war fund for get rid of ICE and CBP.
Then it will go to pro-immigrant groups and those who import them. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:00:24 PM EDT
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Did I miss the memo about a new intentional misspelling? Also, this sounds like a good way to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not holding my breathe but would like to see it happen. Also, this sounds like a good way to get Mexico to pay for the wall. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:00:55 PM EDT
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This needs to be investigated. But not by the FBI... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did Chapo really say that he had paid billions in bribes to U.S. politicians? I keep seeing that on Facebook, but nowhere else. I'm sure he did pay plenty, just don't know if he admitted it in court. 8yrs of Obama on top of that brought to where we are today |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:04:12 PM EDT
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Sieze it from whom? If they do not have it available from US bank accounts, how will they get it? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:06:55 PM EDT
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Trump Corp, The Chamber of Commerce are powerful forces in Washington... Companies that need illegal labor and an open-border write a lot of checks and control a lot of handouts in Washington... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No effective barrier will be built. Companies that need illegal labor and an open-border write a lot of checks and control a lot of handouts in Washington... You can't even imagine the most important reason. |
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