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Link Posted: 10/23/2019 7:57:16 AM EDT
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Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU."

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The problem is that some people here consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a troll who should be silenced
Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU."

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Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:01:05 AM EDT
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Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU."
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The problem is that some people here consider anyone who disagrees with them to be a troll who should be silenced
Well, at least we've conclusively determined that you can't just tell them to "STFU."
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:20:55 AM EDT
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
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I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:31:27 AM EDT
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I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:35:12 AM EDT
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
Exactly what I was thinking
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:39:04 AM EDT
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:41:00 AM EDT
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
Boomers gonna boom.

"Things are too complex to fix,we can get out of this hole if we just keep digging. I've been digging my whole life and it's been fine,you should just be happy digging too"
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:43:24 AM EDT
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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Link Posted: 10/23/2019 8:46:30 AM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires
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You have worked for the government in some capacity I assume.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 9:03:13 AM EDT
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Polite disagreement is fine. Being an obnoxious ass and straffing page after page with bullshit doesn't constitute polite disagreement though.

Hypothetically speaking of course.
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I think of it like pornography. I might not be able to clearly define it but I know it when I see it.

It's not possible to write out a clean cut definition.
The definition does not include polite disagreement.
Polite disagreement is fine. Being an obnoxious ass and straffing page after page with bullshit doesn't constitute polite disagreement though.

Hypothetically speaking of course.
Zing!  And his next post will be, “huh?”  

Link Posted: 10/23/2019 9:13:08 AM EDT
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Your goalposts move so much that even carnies think your game is crooked.
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Then when almost 3/4 of the guests tell you to put the other station back on, you listen to them, not the 1/4 that wanted it changed.

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Then another nugget pops up. The squeaky wheels don't necessarily represent the actual majority of party-goers, just the weird anti-social guys standing in the corner of the party.
Your goalposts move so much that even carnies think your game is crooked.
That’s alright.  Just look at their CCW permit, disarm them, run the weapon’s serial # ( how else am I supposed to check if it’s stolen?) and “graciously” send them on their way after glancing at the dead hooker in the back seat laying atop the pile of stolen stereo equipment...

Link Posted: 10/23/2019 9:17:50 AM EDT
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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Link Posted: 10/23/2019 9:19:33 AM EDT
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He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
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I know he said taxed to death. The problem is that that is an imprecise term, and no matter how low taxes go, someone will always be claiming that they're being taxed to death. People expect a functional level of government. That requires a revenue stream adequate to fund those operations.
There are always tweaks to the tax system that can be made, but society disagrees on what those tweaks could be
I don’t know why you are looking at moving to another state.  You and New York are a match made in heaven.
He doesn't like the mess voters like him have made of NY so he'll move somewhere else that's better and then vote to make it like NY.  
He can move to Florida.

Tennessee and Texas are full.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 9:21:00 AM EDT
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You have worked for the government in some capacity I assume.
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires

You have worked for the government in some capacity I assume.


You must be new here...

Link Posted: 10/23/2019 10:04:28 AM EDT
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Tell us again, what level of functional government doesn't require taxes to fund operations.
It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax.
People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation
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Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it.
Tell us again, what level of functional government doesn't require taxes to fund operations.
It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax.
People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation
No more than 2% of GDP.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 10:07:33 AM EDT
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
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Taxation would shock them more.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 10:24:32 AM EDT
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No more than 2% of GDP.
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Uh ... Gov't should be so small that it doesn't require taxing us to death to run it.
Tell us again, what level of functional government doesn't require taxes to fund operations.
It doesn't matter how small someones tax burden is, they'll still complain that it's too much tax.
People expect functional government. That requires funding through taxation
No more than 2% of GDP.
The big thing is that the federal government shouldn't require that much funding since it has only a handful of constitutional duties.

If New York then wants to provide universal health care with its state taxes then as long as it's allowed by their state constitution it's their prerogative.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 11:24:27 AM EDT
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Ok, the light itself is eleven cents, but it's on for a reason. I'm assuming that you'll want to figure out what that reason is and fix it. You shouldn't have to need a fine to motivate you to maintain your equipment. But somehow in your mind the fact that your equipment has a deficiency, that's the fault of government
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Uh, nobody blamed the government for the CEL. They criticized it for excessive fines and penalties for a CEL that frankly is nobody's business but the owner of the equipment. Unless it presents a safety hazard on the road (unlikely when it's a bad O2 sensor or faulty gas cap vent) they shouldn't have any opinion on it whatsoever.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 11:25:39 AM EDT
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Somehow government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government.
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It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 11:37:04 AM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires
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I think that is an often quoted misperception. I want less social programs and I think we spend more than enough on the military. Especially if we were more efficient spenders.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 11:41:38 AM EDT
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Hey everyone need to remember we bow down to the crown now.
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It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
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Somehow government fining you for your faulty equipment is somehow the fault of government.


It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
If arfcom says that advocating or supporting disobedience of the law is sanction worthy, why hasn’t tc556guy been sanctioned for admitting he violated the NY safe act? Hell he even encouraged and defended his law breaking. Is a violation of the safe act a felony?

Hell arfcom sanctioned people for posting that they stole a candybar when they were 12.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 12:25:29 PM EDT
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I don't miss the point. I see that argument here a lot. Modern society is complex. Advocating for shrinking government down to an eighteenth century level of governance isn't going to work. We get the government we want. Everyone wants some aspect of the government we have. Maybe not the entirety; liberals want more social programs. Conservatives want more military spending. What we have is a compromise of those competing desires
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A “conservative” that wants even more military spending than we already have is not conservative, just a different type of liberal

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A “conservative” that wants even more military spending than we already have is not conservative, just a different type of liberal

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We are spending an obscene percentage of GDP on aggregate government (local, state, federal).  Right now we're spending 21% of GDP on the federal government alone.  Add in state and local and you're just under 40%.

Only a government employee could think that is a reasonable level of spending.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 12:53:45 PM EDT
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Have you ever noticed that in every thread that criticized the site, the same few vocal people are drawn in and post a lot:  Madcap72, Undefined, blinded, and a few others.

The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated.
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Oh, well.  Was the cop's life more valuable than the woman's?
Value had nothing to do with it. The original comment was in poor taste but I've never seen anything that made me think that it was intended to cause problems on the site. Damcv62's was and he was told what the outcome was going to be before he posted it.
When double standards and hypocrisy are exposed, blame the person that exposed them.

The Democratic party took the same approach to their leaked emails.
Damcv62 had a long history of warnings, including stuff like "fuck the police" and had been previously banned and was allowed back after promising to stay within the rules - and then decided to deliberately troll a memorial thread.

But yeah, he was totally just a whistleblower who was exposing hypocrisy and got punished for it,  
He posted the exact same six letters in regard to the death of a law enforcement officer as Bama posted in response to the death of a citizen at the hands of law enforcement.

Same six letters, same number of bodies, one member was banned. That is hypocrisy and a double standard, whether or not he had a history.

Look around. When one person thinks the moderation is bad, that person is probably the problem. When everyone thinks the moderation is bad, the moderation is probably the problem.
Where there is smoke, there is... a good time to put on a fan and blow it all away.
Have you ever noticed that in every thread that criticized the site, the same few vocal people are drawn in and post a lot:  Madcap72, Undefined, blinded, and a few others.

The estimate that “everyone thinks the moderation is bad” might be just a TINY bit over-estimated.
I think the moderation is biased and dismissive of users' concerns.

Which is bad.  
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 12:56:22 PM EDT
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Now you can be a regular jackoff like the rest of us.
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So start a thread called:  "We demand a mod WE CAN ELECT FOR OURSELVES - to be reelected every 30 days!"
I nominate Krpind
lol

I respectfully decline.

I did my time.
Now you can be a regular jackoff like the rest of us.
He's a life member, so he's still better than you and me.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 2:43:21 PM EDT
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
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I think their minds would be blown so bad by the notion of indoor plumbing that they'd suffer vapor lock and have to be hospitalized.

But let's face reality here.  Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people.  Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors.

Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations.  Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done.
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I think their minds would be blown so bad by the notion of indoor plumbing that they'd suffer vapor lock and have to be hospitalized.

But let's face reality here.  Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people.  Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors.

Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations.  Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done.
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The FCC and FAA should be added to the federal government's specified authorities via the amendment process.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 2:56:08 PM EDT
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I think the moderation is biased and dismissive of users' concerns.

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About 70ish percent agree (I think that could be called "Most", lol...) with you per a poll in a recently locked thread asking for opinions on moderation. It will be cast aside as malcontents malcontenting and the beat goes on. Expect less and you will be less disappointed.
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I think their minds would be blown so bad by the notion of indoor plumbing that they'd suffer vapor lock and have to be hospitalized.

But let's face reality here.  Potable water is a limited resource, and if everyone is flushing five gallons every time they take a leak, we won't be able to support a population of 330,000,000 people.  Sure, the market could probably work it out with pricing, but only after prices have risen to the point that people start modifying their own behaviors.

Just imagine how they'd feel about RF spectrum, the FCC, and band allocations.  Then, looking at the history of radio, ask how else it would have gotten done.
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Wait, what?   These people weren't intellectually stunted or cave men and indoor plumbing was "a thing" before it wasn't (see Rome).

The idea they would suffer vapor lock at something a past civilization had over 1,500 years ago is laughable.

As for water:  the reality here is that neither hydrogen nor oxygen are limited resources and potable water is limited only by the energy you can harness to produce it.    That's a market problem and one the free market could and would handle easily if the government got the hell out of the way.

As it happens, the US government saw the potential for a way to generate tremendous amounts of energy only, instead of using to make drinking water, they used it to make a weapon (drinking water came later).    That's government for you:  they often destroy and seldom create.

How else would the history of "radio gotten done?"  The concepts behind the radio were discovered in the 19th century, the radio in the early 20th century and commercial use was in full swing by the 1920s.

We already had federal laws covering this matter (the Radio Act of 1912 and then the Radio Act of 1927).   You can make an argument the federal government has a place when it comes to this issue but the FCC was nothing more than an obscene power grab by a administration and Congress hell bent on controlling everything within their power.    The "fairness doctrine" wasn't about ensuring you could use a radio for communication without interference.
Link Posted: 10/23/2019 4:52:22 PM EDT
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Isnt debating taxes with someone who's livelihood depends on taxes, pointless ?

Its like debating tort reform with a lawyer.
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Isnt debating taxes with someone who's livelihood depends on taxes, pointless ?

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He's one of the few I've seen willing to legislate himself out of a job.

Besides, accounting and auditing don't magically happen.
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If arfcom says that advocating or supporting disobedience of the law is sanction worthy, why hasn’t tc556guy been sanctioned for admitting he violated the NY safe act? Hell he even encouraged and defended his law breaking. Is a violation of the safe act a felony?

Hell arfcom sanctioned people for posting that they stole a candybar when they were 12.
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What part of my posts on that topic did you not read?
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It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
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I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
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I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
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It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
He's right.  We have no state mandated vehicle inspections in Nebraska and I've been killed on the roads twice already this week.  If only we had more Big City ThinkersTM to protect us from ourselves.  
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What part of my posts on that topic did you not read?
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If arfcom says that advocating or supporting disobedience of the law is sanction worthy, why hasn’t tc556guy been sanctioned for admitting he violated the NY safe act? Hell he even encouraged and defended his law breaking. Is a violation of the safe act a felony?

Hell arfcom sanctioned people for posting that they stole a candybar when they were 12.
What part of my posts on that topic did you not read?
All of them. Particularly the parts where you said you were aware that you were in violation of the law, but because a nebulous group of legislators said it “wasn’t their intent” you went ahead and violated the law anyway.

Let me know if I’ve missed anything important. Note: your other attempts to rationalize responsibility that you willfully violated a firearms law qualify as “not important.” You are the living, breathing, embodiment of animal house.
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so what are we doing here if we cant ask and answer questions? this is getting retoddid for shore
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I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
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We don't have vehicle inspections here nor smog testing. Amazingly it hasn't devolved into chaos and carnage on the roads yet.

You're defending a pointless .gov money grab and claiming that a government is not responsible for the laws it passes to boot.
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Taxation would shock them more.
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
Taxation would shock them more.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises"

-US CONSTITUTION
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He's one of the few I've seen willing to legislate himself out of a job.

Besides, accounting and auditing don't magically happen.
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It would be a heavy price.  I would pay it gladly.
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Could you imagine trying to convince the Founding Fathers that the Federal government they created would become so powerful and overbearing that they could tell everyone in the country how much water they could use when they went to the bathroom and took a shower? Then for good measure forcing people to get the medical care the government approved, the government's permission to take most medicine and blackmail all the states into fining you if you weren't strapped to your wagon seat?
Taxation would shock them more.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises"

-US CONSTITUTION
The amount

The shot a bunch of Brits for way less.
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It would be a heavy price.  I would pay it gladly.
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He's one of the few I've seen willing to legislate himself out of a job.

Besides, accounting and auditing don't magically happen.
It would be a heavy price.  I would pay it gladly.
Seeing as I'm about 50% auditing, 30% valuation and 20% tax.  I will willingly pay it too.
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I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
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It's not?

Do you ever read the stuff you post?
I do.
Your viewpoint is that the American people  should not expect that the government require that people properly maintain their personal equipment when its being operated on the public roadway.
Where does that end? How much of a rolling wreck is acceptable before penalties kick in that force equipment to be fixed to an acceptable standard?
I know from past threads that some people here think that people should be able to drive their vehicle in any state of disrepair they wish to.
I'm not sure that that is acceptable to the majority of citizens who share the roads with the rolling wrecks.
I hate paying a ton of money myself when there's a problem with my vehicle, but it is what it is. Stuff needs to be maintained if its on the public roads.
OK got rid of our vehicle inspection laws in the early 2000's with NO increase in vehicle accidents.
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We don't have vehicle inspections here nor smog testing. Amazingly it hasn't devolved into chaos and carnage on the roads yet.

You're defending a pointless .gov money grab and claiming that a government is not responsible for the laws it passes to boot.
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Ohio doesn't have vehicle inspections.  Nor smog testing.  We get along just fine.

Our vehicle registration costs are less than $50 a year.  That's it.  That's all it costs to drive in Ohio for a year for a passenger vehicle or light truck.  No annual taxes on vehicles either.

It's really nice to have all this dangerous freedom of movement.
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Holy thread derail Batman!
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Seeing as I'm about 50% auditing, 30% valuation and 20% tax.  I will willingly pay it too.
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THIS. If we actually held government to their enumerated powers (fat chance), we could get by on light tariffs. Or a tiny sales tax on new goods.
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 If people added up all the taxes they paid for everything they would revolt.
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Ohio doesn't have vehicle inspections.  Nor smog testing.  We get along just fine.

Our vehicle registration costs are less than $50 a year.  That's it.  That's all it costs to drive in Ohio for a year for a passenger vehicle or light truck.  No annual taxes on vehicles either.

It's really nice to have all this dangerous freedom of movement.
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Only some parts of Ohio do not have smog testing plenty of counties do
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