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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: It's too bad they're so expensive, I would love to arrange cannons around my house. AHOY BURGLAR, PREPARE FOR A WHIFF OF THE GRAPE! *blasts door completely off hinges *grapeshot goes into my neighbors house across the street *entire house filled with smoke I've wanted to add a separate sprinkler system that either sprays gasoline or diesel on command for awhile now. I just can't afford that much ethanol-free. 
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Posted: 12/11/2023 3:15:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: 7 uses a 2 stage charge. 2 is just a recoilless single charge IIRC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Why not an rpg7 instead of the 2? More out there 7 uses a 2 stage charge. 2 is just a recoilless single charge IIRC. The RPG7 grenades can be adapted to use a single charge like the RPG2. With it, comes the downside of RPG2s, lack of range. But still would be fun. One of the problems of doing an RPG7 is the lack of tail fin sections, they're not as cheap and plentiful as they used to be 10 years ago. If you find them, be ready to pay a good amount of money for one. Then you gotta figure out how to load the powder in the tail fins without it just flopping around all loose, the OG boosters use cordite looking strips and are just tied around the tail fins. The RPG2 just uses spring sheet metal type fins that have been cut to a square and bolted to the end of a wooden dowel, then behind it is where you screw on the cardboard tube aka booster that's filled with powder and sectioned off chambers. That's why you see more live RPG2s out there launching projos, they're just easier to make. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 9:42:42 AM EDT
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@JonathanwFL
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Posted: 12/11/2023 10:13:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By winxlite: So an artillery piece that uses a manually loaded bullet(terminology ?) and a separate bag of powder is good to go? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By winxlite: Originally Posted By bigstick61: DD status or lack thereof is not impacted by muzzle loading or using black powder as a charge. What matters is whether or not it uses fixed ammunition. So an artillery piece that uses a manually loaded bullet(terminology ?) and a separate bag of powder is good to go? Always has been IIRC, but how many 105's are on the market these days? |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 8:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: @JonathanwFL I have the ATF In writing confirming the description of my Panzerfaust ammunition would be considered non-fixed ammunition so they are likely operating off the same premise. I stil form 1 my Panzerfaust to be safe but I do know a friend who built one and sent it in for ATF determination so I’ll report back when they get a response |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 8:55:53 PM EDT
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Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese.
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Posted: 12/12/2023 8:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Remember when those guys got killed firing homemade tank gun rounds? I would need a pretty good reason to shoot hobby grade RPGs. They are really not that dangerous, I’ve been shooting mine for 3 years without issue. Just don’t “allegedly “ load the boost charge twice the milspec load data, and dont obstruct the back blast area with a ballistic skull and you’ll be fine . It would be the same as overloading a 556 round and sticking dirt in the barrel and wondering why the rifle blew up |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 10:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shack357: Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese. But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 11:34:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By shack357: Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese. But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. I like that idea too. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 11:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Well… Maybe. Not sure about Texas, but in many (most?) states you can’t lawfully kill an animal in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. You’d want to make sure your airburst could be expected to drop the hogs right where they stood. |
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Posted: 12/13/2023 12:14:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Well… Maybe. Not sure about Texas, but in many (most?) states you can’t lawfully kill an animal in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. You’d want to make sure your airburst could be expected to drop the hogs right where they stood. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Originally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Well… Maybe. Not sure about Texas, but in many (most?) states you can’t lawfully kill an animal in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. You’d want to make sure your airburst could be expected to drop the hogs right where they stood. You'll want something more than #4 birdshot then. #1 or 00 buck? |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:04:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Oddly, they can suddenly get unexpectedly unfun. that's how I felt shooting a run away 1911. Machine guns are fun but only if you're ready for it and it stops when you let go of the trigger....
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Well… Maybe. Not sure about Texas, but in many (most?) states you can’t lawfully kill an animal in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. You’d want to make sure your airburst could be expected to drop the hogs right where they stood. IIRC Texas doesn't consider hogs to be animals, so basically anything goes. Hence the helicopter hog "hunts" because it's not defined as hunting |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:11:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: What brand was it that just severely injured a YouTube influencer? My money is on that one being a re-weld one that didn’t hold. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:16:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: I'll get you exact prices of as pictured and some other, similar, models by end of the week. It’s been the end of two weeks, lies!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:18:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2023 10:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: IIRC Texas doesn't consider hogs to be animals, so basically anything goes. Hence the helicopter hog "hunts" because it's not defined as hunting As it was explained to me by our game warden, in VA, on a kill permit, hunting regulations do not apply, because it’s not hunting, it’s killing. For example, there are no caliber restrictions. This provided me an excellent (lawful) opportunity to learn that a 5.56 is actually a fantastic caliber for whitetail, provided you are proficient with your shot placement and use appropriate ammunition (64gr GD for me). And I’d love an RPG for further “research”. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 10:42:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JonathanwFL: I have the ATF In writing confirming the description of my Panzerfaust ammunition would be considered non-fixed ammunition so they are likely operating off the same premise. I stil form 1 my Panzerfaust to be safe but I do know a friend who built one and sent it in for ATF determination so I’ll report back when they get a response Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JonathanwFL: Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: @JonathanwFL I have the ATF In writing confirming the description of my Panzerfaust ammunition would be considered non-fixed ammunition so they are likely operating off the same premise. I stil form 1 my Panzerfaust to be safe but I do know a friend who built one and sent it in for ATF determination so I’ll report back when they get a response Please do.
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Posted: 12/14/2023 12:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By shack357: Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese. But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Look up the Snow Goose Special Conservation Order - RPG canister with steel BBs looks like it would be within the rules. I'd love a belt- or hopper-fed shotgun myself. Hogs are too scary to annoy with #4 shot. .50 cal is the minimum caliber for those things. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 12:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: You'll want something more than #4 birdshot then. #1 or 00 buck? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: Originally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Well… Maybe. Not sure about Texas, but in many (most?) states you can’t lawfully kill an animal in a way that causes unnecessary suffering. You’d want to make sure your airburst could be expected to drop the hogs right where they stood. You'll want something more than #4 birdshot then. #1 or 00 buck? Small nuclear charge? |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:19:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MHIDPA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By homeyclaus: Small nuclear charge? Form 1 Davy Crockett? |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 12:53:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: It’s been the end of two weeks, lies!!!!!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Originally Posted By Ben: I'll get you exact prices of as pictured and some other, similar, models by end of the week. It’s been the end of two weeks, lies!!!!!!! Starting to look like a safe thread... |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 1:08:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2023 2:43:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHIDPA: Starting to look like a safe thread... Unfortunately I'm dependent on someone else for an update to this one...I just reached back out for an update. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 2:23:16 PM EDT
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Ooooh. So I got an interesting update. The device in question will include a tax stamp free HE round that lacks armor penetrating abilities- being sold as an avalanche control device.
Price...soon...January. One of the main dudes working on this is out of pocket through the holidays. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2023 2:30:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Ben is weirder than that. I'm betting just under the minimum complex backfilled with black powder. Or maybe some sort of exemption round paired with binary. Or something else weird Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal: Black powder I bet. Originally Posted By odiedodi: Black powder? Ben is weirder than that. I'm betting just under the minimum complex backfilled with black powder. Or maybe some sort of exemption round paired with binary. Or something else weird I am going with the Estes model rocket engine. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 2:34:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: A current USMC M777 howitzer is not a DD. Off to get a lottery ticket! |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 2:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Ooooh. So I got an interesting update. The device in question will include a tax stamp free HE round that lacks armor penetrating abilities- being sold as an avalanche control device. Price...soon...January. One of the main dudes working on this is out of pocket through the holidays. You have my attention. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:05:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:07:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Is this the same thing that YouTuber just blew himself up with?
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:10:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#31]
On a whole different note...look at this amazing non-DD, non-firearm, antique (1827 design) Multiple Launch Rocket System.
Want to throw anywhere from 1 to 6 rockets at once, that each have 20lbs of blackpowder as a warhead, out to just under 3 miles? I know I sure do. And it could be towed by a single horse, so an ATV or small truck should work nicely.  It can also, unlike other rockets of that era, actually be aimed quite effectively. And rapidly reloaded. And at max range displaced and moving before the fired volley of rockets has even hit the ground. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LarpHard: Is this the same thing that YouTuber just blew himself up with? No. This is completely new manufactured tubes, not dangerous rewelds. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:16:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Would it be legal if someone built a rifle that looked like a rpg? Asking for a friend.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:17:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203?
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:18:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wubaru: Would it be legal if someone built a rifle that looked like a rpg? Asking for a friend. Sure. Might not even be a rifle, would be an "other" - over 26", rifled bbl, vertical forgrip. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:19:41 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:27:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: On a whole different note...look at this amazing non-DD, non-firearm, antique (1827 design) Multiple Launch Rocket System. Want to throw anywhere from 1 to 6 rockets at once, that each have 20lbs of blackpowder as a warhead, out to just under 3 miles? I know I sure do. And it could be towed by a single horse, so an ATV or small truck should work nicely. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72384/figure_2-3065543.jpg It can also, unlike other rockets of that era, actually be aimed quite effectively. And rapidly reloaded. And at max range displaced and moving before the fired volley of rockets has even hit the ground. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:28:52 PM EDT
[#38]
ben is doing the lords work but needs to work faster. whats the new mg update?
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:37:08 PM EDT
[#39]
If 1 or 2 of Ben’s irons in the fire actually come to pass, it’ll be a good day!
Carry on sir. And please keep giving us info, the hordes here would love to put amazing shit into common use ex post haste. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:41:28 PM EDT
[#40]
I definitely want an avalanche control unit and a bunch of the 37mm rounds…
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Posted: 12/20/2023 3:48:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 5:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wubaru: Would it be legal if someone built a rifle that looked like a rpg? Asking for a friend. @Wubaru I made a thing that kinda sorta looks like a rocket launcher and has a tube inside for roman candles/bottle rockets. I get drunk on the 4th and pretend I'm cool, It's a big hit at BBQs
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Posted: 12/20/2023 5:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: @Wubaru I made a thing that kinda sorta looks like a rocket launcher and has a tube inside for roman candles/bottle rockets. I get drunk on the 4th and pretend I'm cool, It's a big hit at BBQs Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: Originally Posted By Wubaru: Would it be legal if someone built a rifle that looked like a rpg? Asking for a friend. @Wubaru I made a thing that kinda sorta looks like a rocket launcher and has a tube inside for roman candles/bottle rockets. I get drunk on the 4th and pretend I'm cool, It's a big hit at BBQs PICS! PICS! PICS! |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 6:29:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. I think if you actually hunt w/ the 37mm smoothbores ATF auto-classifies it as a Title 2, like when you put your SUB-2000 into your jacket it magically becomes an illegal SBR. 
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:11:42 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: I think if you actually hunt w/ the 37mm smoothbores ATF auto-classifies it as a Title 2, like when you put your SUB-2000 into your jacket it magically becomes an illegal SBR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. I think if you actually hunt w/ the 37mm smoothbores ATF auto-classifies it as a Title 2, like when you put your SUB-2000 into your jacket it magically becomes an illegal SBR. How does it become a SBR, with a 16 inch barrel and not fireable whilr folded? |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 8:47:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shack357: How does it become a SBR, with a 16 inch barrel and not fireable whilr folded? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shack357: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. I think if you actually hunt w/ the 37mm smoothbores ATF auto-classifies it as a Title 2, like when you put your SUB-2000 into your jacket it magically becomes an illegal SBR. How does it become a SBR, with a 16 inch barrel and not fireable whilr folded? By ATF fiat, b/c you proved it was capable of being concealed on your person.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 3:03:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Non semi auto straight wall cartridge firearms are legal to hunt deer with where I'm at. I kinda wanna bloop a deer in the face with one. Then you'd be using it as a weapon, and it would become a regulated weapon. Either an SBR (because it has a rifled barrel under 16" and is shoulder fired) or a DD (if it lacks a stock). The funny thing, is if you had one with a 16" barrel and a stock, it actually wouldn't need to be registered at all...even if you used it for hunting. Because rifles over .50 cal which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes is exempt from the definition of a DD. ATF couldn't do fuck all about it as the burden is on ATF in such a case to show evidence you intended to use it for other than sporting purposes. It is the exact same as having bottles of gasoline in your garage and rags stacked next to them. Perfectly legal unless it can be objectively shown you intend to use these things unlawfully. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 10:45:00 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By shack357: Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese. But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. As long as it's steel shot and the magazine is plugged to 2 rounds I think it's OK under the migratory birds act. But I'm no lawyer, and reading legislation makes my head hurt. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 7:06:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: As long as it's steel shot and the magazine is plugged to 2 rounds I think it's OK under the migratory birds act. But I'm no lawyer, and reading legislation makes my head hurt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNC: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By shack357: Just had an absurdly evil thought. Illegal to execute, but an RPG canister charge, filled with #4 birdshot, air bursting, to be fired at flocks of geese. But not illegal to fire at hordes of hogs. As long as it's steel shot and the magazine is plugged to 2 rounds I think it's OK under the migratory birds act. But I'm no lawyer, and reading legislation makes my head hurt. Larger than 10 ga, so no, unfortunately. Bring back the punt gun! |
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Posted: 12/22/2023 3:41:56 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By AbsolutLemur: Can I get that non-DD thing in the form of a non-DD M203? https://media.tenor.com/R-NnRPNQQcYAAAAC/mark-me-down-scared-and-horny.gif Absolutely. A 37mm launcher with avalanche control rounds. The issue might be convincing anyone your M203 has the range to be effectively as such a device. He could always just go the OG route of 37mm and bird banger rounds. https://iwainternationalinc.com/37mm-flash-concussion-round/ |
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