Originally Posted By 4v50:
I remember seeing these skulls in the museum in Caracas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udwo8Kvvp6Y

Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:

The foundation of the pyramids at Giza is the bedrock itself. They're not even sure how much of the volume is actually bedrock vs quarried stone. I also don't see any reason to assume the other two pyramids are post flood. All indications are that there were probably lots of pyramids in the pre flood world. It would seem their civilization back then was based on some kind of worldwide Tesla like power grid.

I know I've mentioned this already, but in mythology there is a link between the pyramids and the tower of Babel. But since you brought it up, I'll summarize it real quick.

Josephus says there were two pyramids built before the flood, one out of stone (the great pyramid), and one out of clay brick. The clay brick pyramid was destroyed.

The implication is that the tower of Babel was meant to rebuild the lost clay brick pyramid that had been destroyed in the flood. According to legend, Nimrod fully expected that God would flood the earth again in order to stop him from succeeding, just like he had stopped the pre flood civilization from succeeding in whatever it was they were doing. So he built a fifty foot high wall around the tower of Babel, since the flood waters were said to only be about forty feet high.

The main idea here is that if Nimrod expected his actions to trigger another flood, it only makes sense that he knew he was repeating the thing that had triggered the first flood.

Now the Bible says the tower of Babel was meant to reach the heavens. We think of heavens as heaven, but in the Bible there are multiple heavens, and one heaven that it talks about is the dimension that contains the imprisoned fallen angels. "Heavens" is really the Bible's way of saying other dimensions. So, according to a literal interpretation of scripture, they were trying to reach other dimensions with the tower of Babel, as opposed to being simpletons who thought heaven was up in the clouds and could be reached with a tall tower. That wasn't peoples' idea of "heaven" back then anyways. Especially in Babylonian thought, their heaven was in the underworld, just like the Greeks and Egyptians, so heaven for them was subterranean, not atmospheric. If they thought they could literally reach heaven by conventional means, spatially speaking, they would have dug a giant mine shaft, as opposed to building a tower.

Then you have the emerald tablets, which say the great pyramid's original function was to free the gods who were trapped in the underworld. These were the same gods who had built the pre flood civilization, and were judged and imprisoned by God about a thousand years before the flood.

So the complete picture you get is that the people before the flood built the two pyramids as part of some kind of interdimensional portal intended to free their gods from Tartarus. God prevents them from doing that with the flood, but then Nimrod tries to pick up where they left off, in an attempt to reestablish the Atlantean golden age by getting their old gods back. Then God confuses their language and that puts a sudden stop to things.

The mere idea that confusing their language stopped the project makes it seem like it was more than just a simple tower. Especially if they were building it using pre flood documents written in a language that they could no longer understand.

Josephus said that the great pyramid was at least in part to preserve pre flood knowledge. So when it became clear they weren't going to finish the project before the flood destroyed them, they may have written down all their technological knowledge and stored it in the great pyramid so that people on the other side of the flood could pick up where they left off. The apocrypha does say that post flood descendants of Ham went and dug up a pre flood city, and found what it calls the forbidden knowledge of the watchers in that city.

Originally Posted By waterglass:

If this is true it is time to discount western acidemia as useless unless it is applied STEM.

It is also time to flush out anyone other than the absolutely apolitical from research and publication on speculative subjects.

Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

So they were going to build a teleport out of clay?

Now that's pretty impressive.

Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty?

1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence

5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years

6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings

7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift

Anything else?

Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty?

1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence

5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years

6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings

7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift

Anything else?

Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty?

1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories.

4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence

5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years

6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings

7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift

Anything else?

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

One thing skipped: there hasn’t been any actual evidence to support any of these assertions...

Originally Posted By brass:

It would appear that the primary job of archaeologists is keeping "their information" difficult to access.   Since they don't know any answers, they release little, even when answers are un-knowable.  Most time is spent attacking those wanting information, why is that?

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Distraction and irrelevant.  Either the assertions above are supported by evidence or they’re not. Supporting this alternate theory has nothing to do with the mainstream theory, so stick to the topic.

Tinfoil YouTube videos aren’t really evidence.  If there’s something better, let’s see it.

So far I see some pretty whack-a-doo “theories” presented as absolute, given, fact with nothing to support them. Supertechnological pre-prehistoric civilizations, power plants, masers, etc.

What is lacking is any rational reason to believe any of the “truths” posted by Rossi above.

Originally Posted By Bigtard:
I believe the Antediluvian civilizations were far more advanced than is generally believed. And then came the cataclysm around 12k years ago that wiped most of the planet clean.

Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:

Evidence that doesn't fit your paradigm is not a distraction, and it's not irrelevant. You're being a real elbow right now. You obviously have all the answers and have no further need to learn anything more, so why are you even part of this discussion? You're in the wrong fucking thread if you think you're going to school anyone using this kind of battering ram style argument. It's not even an argument, it's just browbeating and howling at the moon.

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

I want to learn, but...

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids).

It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right?

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids).

It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right?

Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:

It's rather simple really. None of what you have proposed fits all available evidence, it might have some validity in some circumstance when viewed in isolation.

As a whole, it has no more merit than the prevailing mainstream view. Of which there are known issues with incongruity, seeing as how it is based on evidence that is just a subset of all potentially available evidence. Some of which, we may never recover or be able to understand. Who knows, maybe you're the next Harlan Bretz or Clair Patterson.

Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:

If stories aren't evidence, then the traditional view on everything is pretty much fucked, because in most cases it's only stories that support any of it, and told third or fourth hand at that. If stories, as you put it, are invalid, then we can pretty much just burn all the history books that predate about 1000 AD, and some after that.

If stories aren't valid evidence, basically the entire history of the Vikings can be discounted. Most everything we know about them comes from the Icelandic Sagas, which weren't even written down until several hundred years after the events they describe took place. A large part of the sagas also deals with supernatural events, so it's not like they're the most credible things out there by our modern standards. They're not much different from Beowulf in that regard.

And again, there's also radiocarbon dating and weathering patterns that have been analyzed by mainstream geologists. Plus credible engineers who say they could use the pyramids to generate energy, along with ancient oral traditions that plainly state that the pyramids were power plants.

What you're doing isn't scrutiny. You're not making a counterargument. Address the issues. You're entire argument consists of, Is not! Present your own evidence and counter the evidence given. Make an argument why you think the radiocarbon dating and weather patterns can be ignored. And why you think Herodotus is right, despite being contradicted by even his own contemporaries.

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

Links to this evidence, please.

I’m not sure if it’s accidental or on purpose, but YOU are the one making a counterargument. As such, you carry the burden of proof. You keep saying it’s there, but you won’t point directly to it... why?  You act as though you’re arguing from a position of verified fact, when in fact you’re making absurd statements about power generation and such ... none of which are even remotely verifiable as anything but wild hypothesis based on... uh... nothing, as far as I can tell.  Without evidence, this theory is roughly as believable as the old documentary on the pyramids I saw the other night with Kurt Russell and James Spader.

Originally Posted By Loremsk:
Here is a series I watched a bit ago.  BLUF: demonstration pre to low chemical energy and low metal construction techniques and sciences, specifically medieval French castle construction.  Might be educational.

The playlist..

ETA:

@headstoner this is probably all old hat for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAruY1lv6N4

Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
These were the ancient Egyptian stone working  tools
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N_cpQZB3xOU/U9ZaRY_M7OI/AAAAAAAADx8/iSYdzWfB5tI/s1600/DSCN1434.JPG
There is no explanation how these tools could have produced these 70 ton granite boxes with a mirror like smooth finish:
https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/p1190025.jpg
and it is obvious that the crude hieroglyphics were scratched on the boxes by an inferior technique than was used to create the boxes.
Look how deep and sharp these  hieroglyphics are

[https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/egyptian-hieroglyphs-hieroglyphics-ancient-granite-slabs-77037948.jpg

Originally Posted By waterglass:
More Indian mind blowers for headstoner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoOA3pASy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn0NsZDtkk

Originally Posted By waterglass:
More Indian mind blowers for headstoner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoOA3pASy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn0NsZDtkk

Originally Posted By headstoner:
...whatever else I think would be funny to see fly...

Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:

May have not been turned on a lathe.  Adjustable cutter rotated around a roughly finished column using human/animal power walking in a circular motion on the end of long levers.  A screw jack to slowly move cutter up or down the length of the column as material is removed. . Surprised there is no written or oral history on the method used. 900 yrs isn't THAT long ago.

Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:

I'm not saying cats, but I'm not not saying cats either.

Originally Posted By headstoner:

Thats part of the reasoning for wanting to construct one, a few years back we had a bunch of cats running around in the field. I figured good mouse control but then thought a cat-a- pult was funny. We also had just bought a new washer and dryer so I thought a full sized appliance launcher would be comical

Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:

Dude, I was just kidding. Animal cruelty isn't something the authorities turn a blind eye to anymore. Nowadays it's only slightly less frowned upon than diddling kids.

Originally Posted By headstoner:

Hahahaha. I wasn't going to launch cats into orbit, they were just the inspiration for the idea of building a catapult.

Nile shipwreck discovery proves Herodotus right – after 2,469 years

Greek historian’s description of ‘baris’ vessel vindicated by archaeologists at sunken city of Thonis-Heraclion

In the fifth century BC, the Greek historian Herodotus visited Egypt and wrote of unusual river boats on the Nile. Twenty-three lines of his Historia, the ancient world’s first great narrative history, are devoted to the intricate description of the construction of a “baris”.

For centuries, scholars have argued over his account because there was no archaeological evidence that such ships ever existed. Now there is. A “fabulously preserved” wreck in the waters around the sunken port city of Thonis-Heracleion has revealed just how accurate the historian was.

...

Robinson said that previous scholars had “made some mistakes” in struggling to interpret the text without archaeological evidence. “It’s one of those enigmatic pieces. Scholars have argued exactly what it means for as long as we’ve been thinking of boats in this scholarly way,” he said.

(more at link)

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

That would be catastrophic.

Cataclysmic...