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Link Posted: 7/3/2022 7:23:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Same producers (ABC Corp. & Square Enix), same production studio (Silver Link), and same series director (Mirai Minato).

The maid is Mugumin (same voice actress).

ETA: I might add this to the watch list depending on what you all say.
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Finding out this has the same creator as Jahy I’ll definitely be giving this one a try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaAYjZ239K4

Same producers (ABC Corp. & Square Enix), same production studio (Silver Link), and same series director (Mirai Minato).

The maid is Mugumin (same voice actress).

ETA: I might add this to the watch list depending on what you all say.


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I hope season 2 is better than season 1.
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I hope season 2 is better than season 1.
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Link Posted: 7/3/2022 10:46:44 PM EDT
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I didn’t really know what to expect from Luminous Witches.

Episode 1 started out with a good vibe, offering promising echoes of Tanya, but it rapidly spiraled downhill after that, to the point where I was bored silly and finally gave up on it by the 12-minute mark.

I suppose that if it somehow recovers its groove in later episodes I might reconsider, but for now it’s off of my watchlist.



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Link Posted: 7/4/2022 10:24:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Its one of the World Witches series from the Strike Witches franchise.

It's not meant to be like Tanya.

It's like watching Sound of the Skies but expecting Girls und Panzer.
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Honestly I’ve gotten some enjoyment out of Strike Witches lol
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 2:06:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Its one of the World Witches series from the Strike Witches franchise.

It's not meant to be like Tanya.

It's like watching Sound of the Skies but expecting Girls und Panzer.
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I didn’t really know what to expect from Luminous Witches.

Episode 1 started out with a good vibe, offering promising echoes of Tanya, but it rapidly spiraled downhill after that, to the point where I was bored silly and finally gave up on it by the 12-minute mark.

I suppose that if it somehow recovers its groove in later episodes I might reconsider, but for now it’s off of my watchlist.

Its one of the World Witches series from the Strike Witches franchise.

It's not meant to be like Tanya.

It's like watching Sound of the Skies but expecting Girls und Panzer.


I wasn’t actually expecting it to ‘be’ Tanya-esque, rather I was remarking on the vibe that I got from watching the individual combatants flying through the sky during wartime.

(I have watched at least some episodes of Strike Witches, but it never made much of an impression on me either way.)

Still, it totally lost me midway through.

If it’s intended as a sequel, maybe that’s OK, I’m just not the target audience, but if it was intended to stand alone on its own two feet then for me it was ‘a miss’.




Link Posted: 7/4/2022 4:18:48 PM EDT
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A couple of nights ago I felt the desire to revisit Mai Sakurajima



My 12 YO son started watching with me and he absolutely loves it and normally he's mostly apathetic on anime so it's been nice watching it with him over the last few days.

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A couple of nights ago I felt the desire to revisit Mai Sakurajima
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My 12 YO son started watching with me and he absolutely loves it and normally he's mostly apathetic on anime so it's been nice watching it with him over the last few days.

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A couple of nights ago I felt the desire to revisit Mai Sakurajima
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My 12 YO son started watching with me and he absolutely loves it and normally he's mostly apathetic on anime so it's been nice watching it with him over the last few days.

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Gives me a reason to repost "Bunny Girl Senpai in 30 Seconds" (but it's actually almost 15min).  

Bunny Girl Senpai in 30 Seconds (Abridged One-Shot)
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 8:26:20 PM EDT
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Oops, she has a thing about protecting Anya!

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Link Posted: 7/4/2022 8:30:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mort:
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I hope season 2 is better than season 1.
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I’d be interested to know what was “bad” about season 1?
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I saw a game show where guys fuck a bunch of daughters and try to guess which daughter is theirs. If they guess right, they fuck their daughter some more and win a free trip to some vacation hotspot.  If they guess wrong, they have to watch some younger guy fuck their daughter. I assumed it was not a real game show. Was I wrong?
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 9:01:33 PM EDT
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I’d be interested to know what was “bad” about season 1?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw

I hope season 2 is better than season 1.

I’d be interested to know what was “bad” about season 1?

I can’t speak for Mort, but for me it did kinda have a “bait and switch” feel to it.  Lure me in with a comedy ecchi and then slowly it got more and more dark and less and less funny.  By the end of the season it was like:


Link Posted: 7/4/2022 9:05:02 PM EDT
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I can’t speak for Mort, but for me it did kinda have a “bait and switch” feel to it.  Lure me in with a comedy ecchi and then slowly it got more and more dark and less and less funny.  By the end of the season it was like:

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Originally Posted By mort:
watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw

I hope season 2 is better than season 1.

I’d be interested to know what was “bad” about season 1?

I can’t speak for Mort, but for me it did kinda have a “bait and switch” feel to it.  Lure me in with a comedy ecchi and then slowly it got more and more dark and less and less funny.  By the end of the season it was like:

https://c.tenor.com/V7p28CV374sAAAAC/why-arewe-still-here-mgs-video-game.gif


Sounds like a pretty good allegory of life to me
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 9:05:43 PM EDT
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I saw a game show where guys fuck a bunch of daughters and try to guess which daughter is theirs. If they guess right, they fuck their daughter some more and win a free trip to some vacation hotspot.  If they guess wrong, they have to watch some younger guy fuck their daughter. I assumed it was not a real game show. Was I wrong?
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I saw a game show where guys fuck a bunch of daughters and try to guess which daughter is theirs. If they guess right, they fuck their daughter some more and win a free trip to some vacation hotspot.  If they guess wrong, they have to watch some younger guy fuck their daughter. I assumed it was not a real game show. Was I wrong?


Link Posted: 7/4/2022 9:10:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Agilt:


Sounds like a pretty good allegory of life to me
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Originally Posted By Agilt:
Originally Posted By mort:
watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw

I hope season 2 is better than season 1.

I’d be interested to know what was “bad” about season 1?

I can’t speak for Mort, but for me it did kinda have a “bait and switch” feel to it.  Lure me in with a comedy ecchi and then slowly it got more and more dark and less and less funny.  By the end of the season it was like:

https://c.tenor.com/V7p28CV374sAAAAC/why-arewe-still-here-mgs-video-game.gif


Sounds like a pretty good allegory of life to me

Geez, that’s kinda depressing.  Also I’m not watching a comedy show with big breasted half naked cat girls because I want allegories about life.
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Another negative is that there was no best girl for the MC, IMO.  I guess Roxy wins, but that’s only by default.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 9:12:47 PM EDT
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I'd be interested to know what was "bad" about season 1?
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Originally Posted By mort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw

I hope season 2 is better than season 1.

I'd be interested to know what was "bad" about season 1?
Starts strong.  Animation, sound, voice acting is all excellent.  The characters are oddball and funny. Eris is The Ultimate Tsundere.  Near the end of season 1 it gets a bit sad, but for a reason it is part of building Rudy's character.  I just hope the energy starts out strong in season 2 and stays strong.
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Starts strong.  Animation, sound, voice acting is all excellent.  The characters are oddball and funny. Eris is The Ultimate Tsundere.  Near the end of season 1 it gets a bit sad, but for a reason it is part of building Rudy's character.  I just hope the energy starts out strong in season 2 and stays strong.
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Originally Posted By mort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiG6Wj9i_sw

I hope season 2 is better than season 1.

I'd be interested to know what was "bad" about season 1?
Starts strong.  Animation, sound, voice acting is all excellent.  The characters are oddball and funny. Eris is The Ultimate Tsundere.  Near the end of season 1 it gets a bit sad, but for a reason it is part of building Rudy's character.  I just hope the energy starts out strong in season 2 and stays strong.

Ahh, gotcha. I can totally agree with that. I feel like it’s certainly set up as a longer term arc with a slightly more serious storyline interjected with some funnies.
Link Posted: 7/5/2022 1:47:49 AM EDT
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Overlord S4 starts today.


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Link Posted: 7/5/2022 12:16:22 PM EDT
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Who is the other one? Is he even worse than the shikimori MC?
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Who is the other one? Is he even worse than the shikimori MC?
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Who is the other one? Is he even worse than the shikimori MC?

The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn’t say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I’ve read though I think it’s probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga…

(Not a massive spoiler, but I’ll put it in tags anyway)

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The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn’t say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I’ve read though I think it’s probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga…

(Not a massive spoiler, but I’ll put it in tags anyway)

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Oh yeah, kusokari. I only know about it from threads on /a/ and watching half the first episode. The memes from what you referred to in the manga are hilarious.
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Oh yeah, kusokari. I only know about it from threads on /a/ and watching half the first episode. The memes from what you referred to in the manga are hilarious.
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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:

The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn’t say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I’ve read though I think it’s probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga…

(Not a massive spoiler, but I’ll put it in tags anyway)

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Oh yeah, kusokari. I only know about it from threads on /a/ and watching half the first episode. The memes from what you referred to in the manga are hilarious.

In a way it kinda makes sense for his character to do that though.

I mean if you're the type of guy who is so pathetic that you fall in love with an escort and get a part time job so you can pay her to go on dates with you knowing she's NOT going to put out and on top of paying her you also have to pay for the date itself then it totally tracks that you'd also...

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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:

The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn’t say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I’ve read though I think it’s probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga…

(Not a massive spoiler, but I’ll put it in tags anyway)

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I watched the first season

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I watched the first season

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The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn’t say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I’ve read though I think it’s probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga…

(Not a massive spoiler, but I’ll put it in tags anyway)

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I watched the first season

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The whole "two people like each other and want to be with each other, but won't admit it so instead they beat around the bush for multiple seasons" is, IMO, the most annoying trope in all of anime.  It's also the reason I will never watch Love is War.  
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The whole "two people like each other and want to be with each other, but won't admit it so instead they beat around the bush for multiple seasons" is, IMO, the most annoying trope in all of anime.  It's also the reason I will never watch Love is War.  
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You're missing out because it's not the trope that is strong, it's the characters.

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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:

The whole "two people like each other and want to be with each other, but won't admit it so instead they beat around the bush for multiple seasons" is, IMO, the most annoying trope in all of anime.  It's also the reason I will never watch Love is War.  
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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:

The MC from That Time I Was a Beta Who Fell in Love With an Sex-less Escort So I Got a Part-Time Job So I Could Afford to Go on Dates With Her Where I Have to Pay For Her Time and I Have to Pay For the Date and She Won't Give Me Even a Handjob.

As far as who is worse: I couldn't say.  I saw two minutes of one and not a second of the other.  Based on what I've read though I think it's probably the sex-less escort simp.  Apparently in the manga

(Not a massive spoiler, but I'll put it in tags anyway)

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I watched the first season

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The whole "two people like each other and want to be with each other, but won't admit it so instead they beat around the bush for multiple seasons" is, IMO, the most annoying trope in all of anime.  It's also the reason I will never watch Love is War.  
Married after only knowing each other for less than an hour in episode 1. Makes Horimiya look like they dragged it out. Although Hori & Miyamura beat Nasa & Tsukasa in the sexy time department.


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You're missing out because it's not the trope that is strong, it's the characters.

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The whole "two people like each other and want to be with each other, but won't admit it so instead they beat around the bush for multiple seasons" is, IMO, the most annoying trope in all of anime.  It's also the reason I will never watch Love is War.  

You're missing out because it's not the trope that is strong, it's the characters.

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It's 3+ seasons of an anime where the male MC and the female MC like each other and want to be with each other, but they won't admit it so instead they try to get the other person to admit it.  That sounds about as appealing to me as a BJ from Shalltear while she's in her True Vampire form.
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Fith is adorable.

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It's 3+ seasons of an anime where the male MC and the female MC like each other and want to be with each other, but they won't admit it so instead they try to get the other person to admit it.  That sounds about as appealing to me as a BJ from Shalltear while she's in her True Vampire form.
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I get it, we can't all like the same shit. I was meh on Arcane but I did give it a shot.
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I get it, we can't all like the same shit. I was meh on Arcane but I did give it a shot.
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Can we hate all the same shit?  Who is worst girl and who is worst boy of the year?
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Speaking of Arcane: I rewatched it for a third time last week and I am still picking up on things I didn’t notice the previous times.  It was the most brilliantly written show I’ve seen since Breaking Bad and it has some of the best fight animation I’ve ever seen.  It also put on a clinic on how to PROPERLY write strong female characters void of any wokeness.

If you haven’t watched this masterpiece yet, I can’t recommend it high enough.

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Worst girl: I don’t know.

Worst boy: It seems like the meme I posted above would probably be the top two candidates.

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All right guys, now that the spring season is over, what are going to be the must see anime of the summer?
Besides Overlord, I know The devil is a part timer is coming back, not sure on its date though.


Don't have a list of 'must see', but new seasons of past shows include

The Devil is a Part-Timer - July 14
Overlord - July 5
Rent a Girlfriend - July 2
Made in Abyss - July 6
Is it wrong to try to pick up girls in a dungeon? - July 23
Classroom of the Elite - July 4
Shadows House - July 9
Utawarerumono - July 3
Love Live! Superstar!! - July 17
Prince of Tennis - July 7
Jashin-chan Dropkick - July 6

Doesn't seem to be a shortage of Isekai among the new shows.

ETA:  Yuru Camp movie on July 1.  Sword Art Online: Progressive movie on Sept 10.

Vermeil in Gold - July 5

I have a feeling this one could be the trash anime of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z88dmzIH4N0

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/E7A36B31-68DC-47F1-9372-AC9AAC799F2D_jpe-2430693.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/75BB0C65-C880-4CA5-B67A-13412DB59EED_jpe-2430695.JPG

After watching E1 I feel even more confident this could be the trash ecchi anime of the season.

I also think it's a nice change of pace for an ecchi anime with an underage male MC to have the female MC (and main object of lust) be a MILF looking character instead of a high school girl.
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Speaking of Arcane: I rewatched it for a third time last week and I am still picking up on things I didn’t notice the previous times.  It was the most brilliantly written show I’ve seen since Breaking Bad and it has some of the best fight animation I’ve ever seen.  It also put on a clinic on how to PROPERLY write strong female characters void of any wokeness.

If you haven’t watched this masterpiece yet, I can’t recommend it high enough.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/2D90547A-A179-4BED-A2BD-79E0A544A602_jpe-2174576.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/6D0B0DF5-FD2B-4AB6-B5AF-A2F849206AB0_jpe-2174575.JPG



Arcane is mid

So mid.

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Link Posted: 7/6/2022 4:10:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:


Gives me a reason to repost "Bunny Girl Senpai in 30 Seconds" (but it's actually almost 15min).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLuYWurYsoU
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wtf...did I see Chika Fujiwara in the background or was that a hallucination
Link Posted: 7/6/2022 5:42:21 AM EDT
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Is it just me or is Alebedo the most annoying character of the year?
Link Posted: 7/6/2022 5:56:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Darkstar117:

Laughs in Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo...

ETA: "Ohhh, Roxanne!"...

ETETA: While I do not usually like somewhat trash ecchi series, this one is one of the few that I like, unabashedly, after reading the light novels.
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Love that manga.
Link Posted: 7/6/2022 10:19:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


wtf...did I see Chika Fujiwara in the background or was that a hallucination
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Originally Posted By XeroSygnal:


Gives me a reason to repost "Bunny Girl Senpai in 30 Seconds" (but it's actually almost 15min).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLuYWurYsoU


wtf...did I see Chika Fujiwara in the background or was that a hallucination


lol...  she's in there a few times.
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