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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:14:00 PM EDT
[#1]
I finger-fucked an Atlas today and bros
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I finger-fucked an Atlas today and bros I am in trouble Was this at a shop? If so which one? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I finger-fucked an Atlas today and bros I am in trouble You're turbo fucked if you shoot one Don't tell anyone, turns out you can literally just buy talent |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:33:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're turbo fucked if you shoot one Don't tell anyone, turns out you can literally just buy talent Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I finger-fucked an Atlas today and bros I am in trouble You're turbo fucked if you shoot one Don't tell anyone, turns out you can literally just buy talent @BaconFat |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:34:08 PM EDT
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Hello I would like to be a better pistol shooter.
John Wick Concierge: Certainly sir. You will want to spend five thousand dollars on this 9mm pistol, and then if you're gaming get an SRO or if real get RMR. We also have options to harden the SRO should you wish. Also magazines are $180 |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:11:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing I just thought of is finger placement. SAO & Rifle both like the pad of the finger, whereas Glock seems to want more finger to shoot accurately. Thus your finger placement on firearms is more universal. This has been 6 beers with whiskers With a flat Overwatch Protection trigger on a Glock it gives a little longer reach and puts the pad of my finger perfectly on the trigger. Basically all movement in the first joint. Much easier to slap back without pulling to the side. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:35:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a flat Overwatch Protection trigger on a Glock it gives a little longer reach and puts the pad of my finger perfectly on the trigger. Basically all movement in the first joint. Much easier to slap back without pulling to the side. The Glock Performance Trigger on my 17 has a wider shoe. I thought that it would mean less finger. Nope, still the same more finger needed. Reminded me of the VP9. Super easy to shoot going back and forth between it and my stock G45's trigger with zero change in being able to hit a target. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 12:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @BaconFat Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 12:23:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI ordered one on 5/8. They charged me tax. Dang.  Hasn't shipped yet. Kind of regretting it now since I really want something smaller. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 12:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @BaconFat Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:06:47 PM EDT
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Just picked up a potential carry gun. Can't wait to get to the range.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was this at a shop? If so which one? Interested as well. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not exactly a 2011 to be fair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DWX is trash? That’s what I was thinking. Here my DWX: |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was this at a shop? If so which one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I finger-fucked an Atlas today and bros I am in trouble Was this at a shop? If so which one? Personal gun of one of the guys at a local shop, not for sale…but damn. That slide felt like it was on ball bearings even after not being cleaned for 1500rds. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. He was definitely wrong, you still haven't peaked yet with the silliness. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 3:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was definitely wrong, you still haven't peaked yet with the silliness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. He was definitely wrong, you still haven't peaked yet with the silliness. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 3:30:11 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not wrong. ha! I'm not wrong either, YMMV of course but.... It's a BS intellectually dishonest debate. It's the equivalent argument supporting a shotgun over an AR15, one is going to be optimal and dominate. The other is outdated, slow to use and requires skill to master it's bead sight compared to an AR outfitted with the latest tech and even if stock to stock the AR15 still wins by a yuge stretch. Or are you now supporting the shotgun, brown bess, halberd, bolt action and garand surplus that requires skill to use effectively over something more modern and up to date like the AR15? This argument reeks of two people who've had to give it their all and either lost or almost lost to another shooter using such a better solution who used hardly any effort. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 3:32:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2023 3:40:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Blew off a little steam today. Mostly just mag dumps  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/264774/IMG_20230625_143218_jpg-2863515.JPG Pay my mortgage or buy some mags? I guess I'll spend it on the 2011 Yes |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 3:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ha! I'm not wrong either, YMMV of course but.... It's a BS intellectually dishonest debate. It's the equivalent argument supporting a shotgun over an AR15, one is going to be optimal and dominate. The other is outdated, slow to use and requires skill to master it's bead sight compared to an AR outfitted with the latest tech and even if stock to stock the AR15 still wins by a yuge stretch. Or are you now supporting the shotgun, brown bess, halberd, bolt action and garand surplus that requires skill to use effectively over something more modern and up to date like the AR15? This argument reeks of two people who've had to give it their all and either lost or almost lost to another shooter using such a better solution who used hardly any effort. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's not wrong. ha! I'm not wrong either, YMMV of course but.... It's a BS intellectually dishonest debate. It's the equivalent argument supporting a shotgun over an AR15, one is going to be optimal and dominate. The other is outdated, slow to use and requires skill to master it's bead sight compared to an AR outfitted with the latest tech and even if stock to stock the AR15 still wins by a yuge stretch. Or are you now supporting the shotgun, brown bess, halberd, bolt action and garand surplus that requires skill to use effectively over something more modern and up to date like the AR15? This argument reeks of two people who've had to give it their all and either lost or almost lost to another shooter using such a better solution who used hardly any effort. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:25:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Anything that improves a shooter is great. It's all about hitting your target and stopping the threat, not a pissing contest.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not wrong. If you can't perform across the spectrum of your shooting discipline, you're not talented. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. He was definitely wrong, you still haven't peaked yet with the silliness. That's absurd. Chess Grandmaster isn't talented if he can't master other games? People specialize all the time. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not talented, I'll admit it. Last time I shot USPSA I was a B class at best. Any shooter will perform better with an Atlas than a Glock. A truly talented shooter won't have a very large gap in performance between the two and will very likely be able to use the Glock to smoke the shooters that can only perform with the Atlas. It's all about proper application of the fundamentals. The Atlas allows you to be sloppier with that application. The Glock does not. So what you're arguing for whether you understand it or not, is for everyone to get an Atlas and master it instead of a Glock. I prefer the arfcom way of both, with hooking up a Glock with the false narrative of just for instagram clout of showing off and for flexing the ACRO P2, and then doing the same with my Staccato when it arrives so I can cHeAt and train and do matches as I would fight also with BOTH. The other guy is a silly troll making sillier comments and the occasional insults out of spite for people liking what he doesn't like. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:41:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything that improves a shooter is great. It's all about hitting your target and stopping the threat, not a pissing contest. Louder please. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's absurd. Chess Grandmaster isn't talented if he can't master other games? People specialize all the time. Nope. It's like saying your a chess master when you only know how to move the queen |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That ranks up pretty high in the silly comment scale Nope you either have talent or you don't. Can't say you are a talented car driver and not be able to drive a stick. No different than only being able to make shots with SOA or a dot.  There’s a reason nobody’s trying to win Le Mans with a Honda Civic |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:01:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what you're arguing for whether you understand it or not, is for everyone to get an Atlas and master it instead of a Glock. I prefer the arfcom way of both, with hooking up a Glock with the false narrative of just for instagram clout of showing off and for flexing the ACRO P2, and then doing the same with my Staccato when it arrives so I can cHeAt and train and do matches as I would fight also with BOTH. The other guy is a silly troll making sillier comments and the occasional insults out of spite for people liking what he doesn't like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not talented, I'll admit it. Last time I shot USPSA I was a B class at best. Any shooter will perform better with an Atlas than a Glock. A truly talented shooter won't have a very large gap in performance between the two and will very likely be able to use the Glock to smoke the shooters that can only perform with the Atlas. It's all about proper application of the fundamentals. The Atlas allows you to be sloppier with that application. The Glock does not. So what you're arguing for whether you understand it or not, is for everyone to get an Atlas and master it instead of a Glock. I prefer the arfcom way of both, with hooking up a Glock with the false narrative of just for instagram clout of showing off and for flexing the ACRO P2, and then doing the same with my Staccato when it arrives so I can cHeAt and train and do matches as I would fight also with BOTH. The other guy is a silly troll making sillier comments and the occasional insults out of spite for people liking what he doesn't like. Sure it's easier to get better equipment, I do it too. But if you really want to improve yourself you'll also use the more challenging equipment and by doing so also improve your use of the easy equipment. So yeah, carry and compete with the easy stuff, but if you want to be the best you’ll train with the hard stuff too. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://media.tenor.com/lNoJoH_pOrIAAAAC/cartman-poop.gif There’s a reason nobody’s trying to win Le Mans with a Honda Civic And no one that could win Le Man wouldn't be able to drive a civic well. But that's exactly what we have here. People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:19:54 PM EDT
[#31]
this is the thread that keeps on giving
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure it's easier to get better equipment, I do it too. But if you really want to improve yourself you'll also use the more challenging equipment and by doing so also improve your use of the easy equipment. So yeah, carry and compete with the easy stuff, but if you want to be the best you’ll train with the hard stuff too. Some people like to improve without making it harder for themselves, and consider it improving by that metric. To call that not wanting to be the best at all is disingenuous. FWIW, I don't drive manuals either because harder isn't making my life any better and it's not enjoyable at all. This applies to shooting too, it's not enjoyable for me to make it harder and those pushing for this is, is literally being quixotic because we are from two different schools of thought here. I don't want to be the best at something that is impractical for me to train and use. Instead, I want to be the best with practical to use every edge possible within reason. I show up to beat myself from previous times, not others. Anything that aids in that from fitness, gear, and equipment, even ammunition used, is what I am striving for. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:30:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. It's like saying your a chess master when you only know how to move the queen Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's absurd. Chess Grandmaster isn't talented if he can't master other games? People specialize all the time. Nope. It's like saying your a chess master when you only know how to move the queen Bullshit. To say a top level USPSA shooter isn't talented because they can't also shoot skeet is absurd. Lots of the highest level people specialize and focus on the specific thing they are trying to excel at. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. People that say you only need or don't need while superimposing themselves into the argument, or acting like an angry scornful fudd at happy people being able to make a shot with a hooked up gun, are people that we don't need. Because contrary to what you may think, you are definitely not helping and doing the exact opposite. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And no one that could win Le Man wouldn't be able to drive a civic well. But that's exactly what we have here. People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://media.tenor.com/lNoJoH_pOrIAAAAC/cartman-poop.gif There’s a reason nobody’s trying to win Le Mans with a Honda Civic And no one that could win Le Man wouldn't be able to drive a civic well. But that's exactly what we have here. People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. I’m not saying everyone needs to spend $2k+ on a tricked out gun in order to shoot well. I am saying I can spend $2k+ on a tricked out gun that makes it much easier to accomplish the same and even higher levels of performance, so why would I want to torture myself with a $500 plastic party popper with a staple gun trigger? |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. To say a top level USPSA shooter isn't talented because they can't also shoot skeet is absurd. Lots of the highest level people specialize and focus on the specific thing they are trying to excel at. That's not what we're talking about, why do you keep trying to inject other sports? A top uspsa shooter will make shots with a glock or 2011. They are great shooters. They aren't bragging they can't shoot a glock but can a 2011. They spent time and money on improving their shooting skill and not buying gear that hides their flaws. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:47:13 PM EDT
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Wasn't it Rob Leatham that got an overall win in the Nationals shooting single stack? Even going up against other GMs that were shooting open.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:47:39 PM EDT
[#38]
I'm most familiar with PRS or precision rifle competitions in general whether that be legit PRS sanctioned matches or NRL matches or outlaw matches
In that sport, the top shooters could absolutely finish in the top 10% with whatever adequate gear you give them. It is competitive enough that the top shooters absolutely will not win without top shelf gear. To podium or be in the top 5%, then the skill and the gear both is needed. Shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:48:12 PM EDT
[#39]
More so all the options the design allows than the actual brand.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:58:54 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm most familiar with PRS or precision rifle competitions in general whether that be legit PRS sanctioned matches or NRL matches or outlaw matches In that sport, the top shooters could absolutely finish in the top 10% with whatever adequate gear you give them. It is competitive enough that the top shooters absolutely will not win without top shelf gear. To podium or be in the top 5%, then the skill and the gear both is needed. Shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand. I was talking to brasscrossedrifles about that. They will go through about three $750-$800 barrels per SEASON. Freaking nuts. $2,400 in just barrels. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:00:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking to brasscrossedrifles about that. They will go through about three $750-$800 barrels per SEASON. Freaking nuts. $2,400 in just barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm most familiar with PRS or precision rifle competitions in general whether that be legit PRS sanctioned matches or NRL matches or outlaw matches In that sport, the top shooters could absolutely finish in the top 10% with whatever adequate gear you give them. It is competitive enough that the top shooters absolutely will not win without top shelf gear. To podium or be in the top 5%, then the skill and the gear both is needed. Shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand. I was talking to brasscrossedrifles about that. They will go through about three $750-$800 barrels per SEASON. Freaking nuts. $2,400 in just barrels. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:02:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: That's not what we're talking about, why do you keep trying to inject other sports? A top uspsa shooter will make shots with a glock or 2011. They are great shooters. They aren't bragging they can't shoot a glock but can a 2011. They spent time and money on improving their shooting skill and not buying gear that hides their flaws. This was the comment that started this little sidebar rodeo Quoted: Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun Even if you keep it within handguns the fact that someone only shoots one gun and becomes the best at it doesn't mean it's not talent. It takes talent to become a GM and there are definitely GM's that can't shoot at GM level with every pistol made. They are still talented. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:06:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you keep it within handguns the fact that someone only shoots one gun and becomes the best at it doesn't mean it's not talent. It takes talent to become a GM and there are definitely GM's that can't shoot at GM level with every pistol made. They are still talented. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was talking to brasscrossedrifles about that. They will go through about three $750-$800 barrels per SEASON. Freaking nuts. $2,400 in just barrels. Keep in mind that most guys will do things to mitigate this, like use cartridges that don't burn barrels quite as fast as 6 creed, or do a lot of practice and matches with either a .223 or .308 that is rigged up close or identical to their 6mm. This can also be accomplished with some guns that are relatively easy to change the barrels, with one gun. But yeah there are also some guys that just hate money too. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep in mind that most guys will do things to mitigate this, like use cartridges that don't burn barrels quite as fast as 6 creed, or do a lot of practice and matches with either a .223 or .308 that is rigged up close or identical to their 6mm. This can also be accomplished with some guns that are relatively easy to change the barrels, with one gun. But yeah there are also some guys that just hate money too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was talking to brasscrossedrifles about that. They will go through about three $750-$800 barrels per SEASON. Freaking nuts. $2,400 in just barrels. Keep in mind that most guys will do things to mitigate this, like use cartridges that don't burn barrels quite as fast as 6 creed, or do a lot of practice and matches with either a .223 or .308 that is rigged up close or identical to their 6mm. This can also be accomplished with some guns that are relatively easy to change the barrels, with one gun. But yeah there are also some guys that just hate money too. If I had tons of money I would find some super flat 9000 cartridge that lasted one match but gave me an advantage |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:13:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had tons of money I would find some super flat 9000 cartridge that lasted one match but gave me an advantage |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A top uspsa shooter will make shots with a glock or 2011. They are great shooters. They aren't bragging they can't shoot a glock but can a 2011. They spent time and money on improving their shooting skill and not buying gear that hides their flaws. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:13:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This was the comment that started this little sidebar rodeo Even if you keep it within handguns the fact that someone only shoots one gun and becomes the best at it doesn't mean it's not talent. It takes talent to become a GM and there are definitely GM's that can't shoot at GM level with every pistol made. They are still talented. You're not going to be come the best at it because you had guns you couldn't shoot well because you had a shitty trigger press. You had to buy a good trigger to hide that fact. I don't know any GMs that can't shoot any handgun well. But they make sure their skills are perfect, not masked Good fundamentals work with any gun. Shitty fundamentals can only be masked by good guns, but they are still shitty |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:17:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm most familiar with PRS or precision rifle competitions in general whether that be legit PRS sanctioned matches or NRL matches or outlaw matches In that sport, the top shooters could absolutely finish in the top 10% with whatever adequate gear you give them. It is competitive enough that the top shooters absolutely will not win without top shelf gear. To podium or be in the top 5%, then the skill and the gear both is needed. Shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand. Erik Cortina doesn't practice or compete with a bare bones stock all factory rifle. In fact, none of his gear that supports this is cheap or basic. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not going to be come the best at it because you had guns you couldn't shoot well because you had a shitty trigger press. You had to buy a good trigger to hide that fact. I don't know any GMs that can't shoot any handgun well. But they make sure their skills are perfect, not masked Good fundamentals work with any gun. Shitty fundamentals can only be masked by good guns, but they are still shitty 
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