No.
No.
And NO.

Maximum total exchange around the time of The Day After:
20+ Gigatons

Maximum total exchange tomorrow:
<1 Gigaton probably way less

We wouldn't have any of this trans shit and woke bullshit. Everyone will be too busy trying to get enough food to eat.

That would be much much better, I'm just trying to prove a point.

In 48 hours, you could be outside 5 hours to get your normal yearly "safe" amount. I personally wouldn't, but you're not going to melt either.

There's also been shifts between Russia and China going counter value vs counter force.

Nuclear game theory is a trip

The IRS and cockroaches will have the highest survival rate since they share common DNA.

I’ve been assured here by some that most of the Russian missiles are junk and wouldn’t make the trip across the ocean. “Little more than a dust up on our end.”

Oh no step X37 what are you doing

Sure, what’s our national debt translated into nuka cola caps?

China backs North Korea

North Korea threatens nuclear war.

"Accidental" emergency nuke message takes place in Hawaii. No further details other than "yeah lol someone pushed wrong button lol sorrrruyyy"

Kim shortly after agrees to nuclear talks with Trump.

Russia begins developing asymmetric nuclear weapons like the gay torpedo and fake hypersonics.

Hmmmmm, it's almost as if everyone but us knows you can't use the old style of nukes against the United States

Lol, like Russia has more than 3 working nukes

This...

Does it matter?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Pebbles

I think it would reset a lot of things that you take fro granted.

Fighting off surviving neighbors for your saved supplies and water.

Some of the major companies have been saving records for such an eventuality. Don't assume that a war is going to get you off the hook

Thank You, but me and mine will decline your generous offer of that free years worth of Radiation because "Bio-Robots" are for Russians!

The panic alone would create more supply chain problems than Covid-19, let alone significant losses in the financial and manufacturing sector.

The Russians will absolutely target major population and manufacturing centers as best as they can, even at the expense of higher priority military targets.  Being drunk on vodka helps.

Congress-because Continuity Of Government planning means the worthless fucks will probably survive, unfortunately-will initiate some sort of hybrid martial law to maintain order and conscription while the military rebuilds to fight.

Those that can work will in order to eat, those that cannot will probably already be dead.  

If you owe $400K in the old currency on a mortgage on a house that is a smoking hole and insurance won't cover acts of war, well... foreclose on it motherfucker.

If you owe $400K in the old currency on an intact house that has no power, water, gas, and is unreachable because nobody plows the snow, well then... the bank ain't gonna be getting any payments and they ain't gonna be foreclosing.

Now watch the bank try to foreclose on the house in a temperate climate that has solar panels... I think that is where an intact government issues an executive order putting a moratorium on all foreclosures. Otherwise the shooting starts.

I’d be ok in my newly acquired Costco and harem of soccer moms.

Do you think we ever actually funded and implemented such a thing?

They would just unionize and take your store away because of your thing.

Trust me.
And screwing everybody.

With certainty, yes.

Why does 5th generation warfare exist if all our main state enemies are nuclear players?

Fuck I miss tweeter

IRS would still be collecting taxes, fining, and taking people to court during and after nuclear war. There will never be a real economic reset until all unConstitutional taxes are eliminated.

If major cities are creators, good luck collecting my mortgage

That was some beurocrats stretch goal for end of quarter

I wouldn’t underestimate banks.

@dbrad197

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoatmospheric_Kill_Vehicle

This is the OPEN stuff. I'm 90% confident we cannot be nuked by normal triads.

I CANT DOOM TO THIS

My body is ready.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Interceptor#Next_generation_interceptor_

Combine this shit with stuff like CHAMP and SUTER and it's going to be really rough.

The Russian missiles launching, then turning around and blowing themselves up was a newer generation of SUTER.

The Federal government is really shitty, but as a country we are awesome at war. And even if you're super cynical, then just say the mega banks value our geography the most.

the more 'modern' the society, the more devastated that society will be. food production falls worldwide, the ability to ship food anywhere fails. europe, north america, russia, china, southeast asia go lights out. all manufacturing fails, medical, drugs.

most of the world dies out. end of story. back to the stoneage.

This is no longer a doom thread, this is now a schitzo thread

I imagine it'd reset a lot of things

Precious metals are not for the collapse they are to rebuild after the collapse, because they are universal.

A nuclear event or other large shake up, pretty much everything goes to barter. As things recover, barter becomes obsolete and metals trade again becomes valuable.

Gold and silver are a LONG ass term play, not even a medium or a SHTF play.

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This is a good audio book on what a collapse would look like after an EMP attack. Lots of similarities in terms of mass starvation and death.

Be it 10 months, 2 years, 5 years or even 10 years.  

Someone from whatever bank that owns that debt will be along to collect it.  It may be a lawyer with the force of government, or it may be the local warlord.  

Debt never goes away.

Exercise for the student.  

Starting assumptions are:

- Per the Moscow Treaty of 2006 and the New START treaty of 2010, there are only 1500-2200 operationally deployed strategic nuclear weapons available to either the US or Russia.  ODSNWs are defined as a weapon:
     - Mated to an ICBM
     - Mated to an SLBM
     - Stored in an igloo at a bomber base.  

This number is fairly accurate, as A) those kinds of weapons require specialized weapons systems to carry them, and B) numerous remote and on-site verification methods are in place to ensure compliance.

Let's use 2200 weapons available as a starting point, the maximum allowed under those two treaties.

- Assume all weapons are 1Mt in size.  

Sooo.....Go to this website. I prefer this site to many others (cough anything by Greenpeace cough cough), because this guy actually based his calculator off the works of Glasstone, the premiere nuclear effects scientist of any age, instead of "OMG THE BLAST RADIUS IS LIKE THE .45 ACP OF NUKES AND WILL DESTROY NIGERIA IF SET OFF IN HAWAII!!!"

Calculate the effects radii for a 1Mt weapon.

Using the thermal radiation radius (farthest-reaching effect), calculate the square mileage (multiply the km2 by .62 to get mi2) affected by said 1Mt weapon (don't forget, pi are squared  ("No they're not, they're round!")).

Multiply by 2200 (# of weapons available).

You now have the total square mileage affected by the farthest-reaching effect of a 1Mt weapon.

Question #1: compare total square mileage affected by the farthest-reaching effect of a 1Mt weapon to the total square mileage of the United States.  (Wikipedia says that # is 3,796,742 square miles).  

Inaccuracies:

- We don't use very many 1Mt weapons any more.  Improvements in accuracy means they are significantly smaller than that.  So the actual are affected is reduced by a significant percentage.

- Remember, this is the UPPER limit of available weapons.  

- This assumes all yeilds are evenly spread across the country.  However, the probability of kill (the chances the weapon will actually destroy the target) is never 1.0, so for targets that absolutely, positively need to die, you may decide to go 2:1 or even 3:1.  

So, more math.

Assume the following priority targets:

- 450 MMIII launch facilities
- 45 MMIII launch control centers
- 3 Minuteman support bases
- 2 B52 bases
- 1 B2 base
- 2 sub bases
- Let's say 20 nuclear command and control facilities of various flavors. (For the moment we'll ignore other priority military targets like the Pentagon, etc.)

Calculate the number of weapons used for 3:1 targeting on the Minuteman sites + 2:1 targeting on the soft targets and 3:1 on the C2 facilities.

That's the ACTUAL number of designated ground zeros, so multiply your square miles affected from one weapon by this number to get the actual square mileage affected.  

Question #2:  compare square mileage affected by actual # of DGZs as a percentage to the total square mileage of the United States.  

NOTE:  Most of these impacts will be in the three missile fields in the Midwest/West, and several targets on both coasts, with a few odds and ends sprinkled here and there (Omaha, Cheyenne Mountain, etc.)

Question #3:  Given the locations of most of those DGZs, and their LACK of proximity to most of the major economic, manufacturing, and transportation hubs of the US, (or, for that matter, most of the houses of the doomers in this thread) describe the effects that taking out these targets will have on:

A) the overall economic system of the United States
B) The ability to conduct an economic transaction in, say, Ohio (or Arizona, or Florida, or Topeka)
C) The ability to provide water, power, sewer, and trash service in any of the places listed in B) above.  

I'll wait.

ETA:  Want to know the really sad part?  This comes up often enough that I just cut and paste this into the thread.  

May a bomb land on my head, I don't want to live through something like that.

Well, its dinner time on Easter Sunday.  And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, "you know who would probably like to argue with strangers on the internet?  Limaxray."

OK kids, behave yourselves, Dad's here.

Ty for truth bomb

So, your whole assumption is that the major population centers will not be targeted.  2,200 devices but there won’t be any left for, say, the 50 largest urban areas in the United States.  Yeah, I wouldn’t count on that.

And just like that, all of my preps have been rendered useless...

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They can continuity of government all day long but a lot of the people around here are armed to the teeth. Ain't go outsiders coming in here trying to force people to fight or work for the state without getting a face full of metal.

Here’s a fun simulation.

What stops someone from just staying in the core center of their house with the doors and windows closed in one of the areas that’s hot. Assuming the house isn’t destroyed or the windows all blown out. If you’re home and can buckle down you’ll have some free time. Tape off any concerning gaps around doors quickly. Turn off the water lines after sealing the drains and filling the tub as much as you can before water pressure is gone. Hold out for a couple weeks will be hard but doable as long as you have water and food. Assuming you’re the typical arfcommer that’s 6’3" 9" and making half mill a year you should have the food and water preps covered.

After the two weeks are up. The mob of radiated and poisoned zombies might be hard to quell… at first.

Wait. Did I just type out the Arfcom fantasy ?

Put simply, the entire exercise is a guess.

Every country has their own nuclear game theory. Within each country's theory, there's no free lunch.

If you target population centers, you don't get guaranteed kills on other nukes.
If you target nukes, you don't take out the economy that can produce the nukes.
If you try to get both you use all your nukes, and then you can get nuked.

Simply put