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This is really good, it would be nice if this was tacked!
Excellent job MrMojoRising. |
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Thanks for the write up!
I also heard of another method to ID a fake. If you get in a car crash at 65mph and your aimpoint survives then it's the real deal :) |
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Nice one! LOLOLOLO I fu#@ing love it. Ok the rest of you, What do you have to say about the knockoffs being as good as the real thing? Thanks alot MoJo. I was working on this one myself, but just havent had the time. Your the Man.
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Are you saying that electrical tape wont hold a POI?
Thanks Mojo, nice work. |
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Mr Mojo are you going to clean up this clone and rebuild it better? Do you think it is worth it?
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The Devils alter ego.
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Nope, no interest and it wouldn't be worth the time. It's a toy built for toys.
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Take apart a real one to compare.
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“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson
Him: "I was fighting a bad case of cant." Me: "Yeah, can't shoot." |
Eh, the fake POS was free. I paid $399 for my last Aimpoint. Are you donating one to the cause? |
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A few days ago I was browsing ebay and came across this Aimpoint for sale. I recongized it pretty quick as a fake and contacted the seller to let him know, and emailed him a link to this thread. To the guys credit he posted a warning and even a link to this thread. Amazingly the things up to 160.00, when a new fake is only about 40.00.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310031952598cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310031952598 |
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at first I'm thinking holy crap, that is some shoddy frikkin workmanship.
Then I'm thinking these bastards really did figure out THE cheapest way to make an outward appearing clone. Gotta be impressed with just how cheaply they can do it, no? |
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There is but one truth in the world and it is all yours. If you are not sure of it stay at home; but if you are sure don't look back and it will be your way.
Honored to be a "Proud Member of Ranstad's Militia" |
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looks like the real deal to me.
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Good info -- I even printed it & took it to the gunshow with me to help with the shopping.
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Very informative. How about a side by side comparison of the 3X magnifier? Or has that been done already and I missed that thread?
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there's a difference with being impressed and being happy about it. I'm impressed with some of our enemies' tactics in WW2. Doesn't mean I approve of em. |
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There is but one truth in the world and it is all yours. If you are not sure of it stay at home; but if you are sure don't look back and it will be your way.
Honored to be a "Proud Member of Ranstad's Militia" |
Another thing is the real Aimpoint switch can't be turned backwards (counter-clockwise) to the brightest position from the off position, while the rip-off can. Also the real Aimpoint has twice the settings while the fake one only has 5.
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B CO 1-184 IN "BUSHMASTERS!"
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Since I'm a big PETA supporter I wanted to hunt without causing any undue stress to the animals. A silenced rifle allows me to hunt quietly so I don't disturb the rest of the animals in the forest
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Nice.
(BTW - What doeas a real copy look like...) |
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"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:" Luke 11:21
"Stand your ground . . . if they mean to have a war, let it begin here!" - Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia |
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It looks like the "Aimpoint" on the body is engraved and the "Aimpoint" on the lens cover is definitely not engraved or raised. It's tough to see too much more detail with the pictures provided. But, according to the information provided above, these two factors push it more towards the fake category.
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Yes that is a fake and needs to be reported to Ebay. Ask to see pics of the windage and elevation controls, serial number or battery compartment to confirm before you buy online from anyone you don't know. |
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Wow, winning bid was $337. Some poor slob just got raped.
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This is one of the MANY reasons I have been avoiding EBay like the plague lately. I used to love that site, now I can't stand it. I will pay an extra couple of bucks (which is unlikely, seeing the inflated EBay prices) to buy an item elsewhere.
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He got free shipping The ebay unit in question looks just like the gen 2 clone I posted pics of on page 1. Wes |
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I see that their attorney has recently recorded their trademark with US Customs. This allows Customs to seize fakes at the border. Losing a few shipments will get the attention of the counterfeitors much faster than any number of nasty letters or threats of lawsuits. However, it takes more that recording the trademark with Customs to get effective enforcement. There are only a few IP attorneys who have experience in this area. Firearms (and related products) companies have been very slow to address counterfeiting, and it has really only been a recent problem. ~Glenn Armorer-at-Law |
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Glenn, While I appreciate the information you are providing, I can't help but notice this was your first post, that you are a non-paying member and that you put your company's website right there at the end of your post. To me your posting is more of a spaming move. It might not hurt to slightly adjust your posting styles in the future so you don't get locked from the website. Wes |
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this might be a dumb question regarding aimpoints but I guess I will go ahead and post up and see what the response is....
I have a question regarding the comp m2. The dots in it, based on the selection switch can they be red or green? I saw an aimpoint comp m2 at a gun show and it had both red dots and green dots depending on the switch position. Prior to this I had never seen a comp m2 in person and was curious. I can not find anywhere in the description of the M2 what the dots are like other than the MOA information. thanks guys |
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Great work there, thanks for posting it.
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Tryin' to survive in the anti-gun Republik of Kali
CA, USA
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A letter I recently sent to AIMPOINT:
[email protected] Good day- I recently had a poor experience with one of AIMPOINT's authorized Aimpoint dealer's at a Gunshow. This dealer had a booth that had numerous "Aimpoint" marked Optics in the same case side-by-side with Genuine Aimpoint optics. I purchased an "Aimpoint" marked 3X Magnfier from their booth. I inspected it briefly and it appeared to be a genuine Aimpoint. I purchased many items from that booth and discovered there was no receipt in the bag when I got it home. I dealt mostly with a salesman, however the owner was standing there watching the transaction, and there were no other customers, or salesmen at the booth at the time. The transaction was also witnessed by my friend, and retired Police Officer. I am also a retired Police Officer. I had been dealing with this Dealer for years so I did not suspect the dealer, or owner who was standing watching me purchase, would stoop to selling Cloned items. Had I known the magnifier was a clone I never would have purchased it. My life depends on quality optics and I would never use a substandard optic on a firearm that is protecting my life. I have also purchased an Aimpoint ML2 for my son who is stationed in Iraq. I would never bet my son's life on a substandard optic either. The Magnifier was in a plain, unmarked cardboard box. I compared it to my 3 Aimpoint Comp C's and a genuine Aimpoint 3X Magnifier. I submitted a e-mail from the dealer requesting a receipt. The owner of the Company called me and we discussed the subject of selling false trademark Aimpoint optics. He claimed the salesman told me it was not a true Aimpoint, made by "West Tech(?)" and I could not possibly have paid full price for it because the only magnifiers he was selling were the Fake Aimpoint's since AIMPOINT had not shipped a 3x Magnifier since fall 2007. The owner claimed he never heard his salesman make that statement to me. There were no signs or notices in their gunshow display adviseing some of the optics on display were "clones". The Dealer does not offer the Clone 'Aimpoint' marked magnifier listed on thier website. The fact that an Authorized AIMPOINT dealer, listed on the AIMPOINT website, did not seem bothered by selling optics bearing the Aimpoint name which is a violation of numerous trade, Patent, and Trademark violation laws. I have a complaint with the Dealer in which I believe I was charged full price for the 'clone' Aimpoint Magnifier, but the owner would only offer a refund of $249. I have since returned the Clone Magnifier for a partial refund of $249. I took many photos of the magnifier before returning it. It is without a doubt a Fake, 'Aimpoint' marked Clone. I think AIMPOINT should be interested in this 'Authorized Dealer's' disregard for AIMPOINT's products. I do not want to disclose the Dealer and owner name until I receive my partial refund from them. Since I do not have any proof by receipt, or acknowledgemnt in writing of my purchase, I need to get get my refund while I can. What is AIMPOINT's stance on this? I would be happy to give you the Dealer name after I get my refund. Many serious shooters, Law Enforcement, and Military acquaintances of mine would also like to know AIMPOINT's position of Authorized, or UnAuthorized Dealers selling Fake AImpoint optics bearing the AIMPOINT name? Sincerely, B. Duke Reno Grass Valley, CA |
"We all have a dark side to say the least,
and dealing in Death is the nature of the beast..." - PINK FLOYD 'The Dogs of War' |
Wow, nice write up and information concerning the 3X magnifier fake (replica) vs. the real deal. Your experience was really a shame concerning the lying and deceit from the dealer.
I actually bought a replica 3x magnifier of evilbay just exactly like the one you show in your pics. I got it from IMHO an honest seller that identified it as a replica, and made sure to mention it was not the real Aimpoint product. I paid $89.xx to my door from overseas. I only purchased it due to other posts exclaiming decent value for the money especially if the rifle is more for play/range use, and not having the cash for the real deal, or actually even needing it, this seemd like a bargain. That being said, I am not totally happy with the replica, but I do think I got what I paid for value wise. While the optic quality is 'good', it is a bit shadowy around the edges in anything but bright light. And the biggest thing that bothered me was the 'Cut/Slit/slice' whatever on the underside (as shown in your pics) that I assume they had to do to fit the rubber cover over the body. While I am relieved to see your pic and know now that's typical with the clone/replicas, it was still not visually pleasing. I fixed it (to my satisfaction) with Super Glue, and sanded the excess glue and rubber ridge left over with 400 grit sand paper, and finished with 600 grit 'wet' sanding. You can barely mak out a hint that it was there, but it blended in quite nicely. Other than that, the other defect was with the twist off mount. The screws were seemingly too short, and after just a couple of in and out, the first 2 -3 theads stripped out of the lower base mount.. I purchased some longer replacement screws at the local Ace Hardware store, and that fixed that issue. While I don't profess that copyright infringement is the way to go, at least if the seller (who I bought from) is advertising and selling as a replica, I don't really see a problem. If you want the real deal, you'll buy it, and if anything it may want to make you save up for the real thing if you want better quality. This replica just gives me the opportunity to have a 'decent' magnifier at a price point I can afford at this time. It's not the best, but it's worth what I paid for it. I know other people feel differently, and I can understand and respect that. I only see a problem with fakes/clones/replicas being passed off as the real thing. That is just wrong in all respects. I use the Larue PoorBoy special Hensoldt when I need a quality magnifier. I can't compare to the real Aimpoint 3X, but it is some of the clearest glass I've looked through, especially when you consider the smallish objective/front lens.. YMMV |
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On the CompM4 fake, does the power knob rotate all the way around (i.e., goes directly from highest setting to Off without dialing back counterclockwise), or does it stop at the highest setting and only back to Off if you twist all the way back aorund?
ETA -- It sounds like the one you found has only 9 brightness settings (and of course the Off setting), right? |
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It does rotate all the way around but the click to go from #9 to off is a noticable stiffer than any other movements. And yes, 9 brightness settings plus off. Wes |
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Thanks. Great pics, BTW.
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Mojo, and the rest.....GREAT THREAD, THANK YOU FOR THE MOST INFORMATIVE THREAD AND YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS TOPIC!
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Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC http://www.tacticalnightvision.com [email protected] (909) 659-2842 "Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night" |
here's a question. would battery life also possibly be an indication of a fake? what do you think? if you leave one on for a week or so do you think the fake would run the battery down? if this has already been discussed i apologize i must have missed it. thanks
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Yes the battery life is another dead giveaway. The fakes don't last even half as long as the real deal. But, this thread was mainly ways to spot a fake before you bought it to save you from making the mistake in the first place.
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