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Just when I thought I was ready to build. Now that I know 99% are m4 profile, can't use a socom because reasons. Anybody have a new C marked M4 barrel they would like to get rid of?
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Originally Posted By 871JZ: @byou79 Nice. Why the allen head screws in the rail over the factory slotted screws? View Quote |
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What's the deal with Socom barrels? I thought they were the go to barrel now everyone is saying they aren't!
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PSALMS 144-1 Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to warre, and my fingers to fight
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Originally Posted By LRB45:
What's the deal with Socom barrels? I thought they were the go to barrel now everyone is saying they aren't! Which is it then!? View Quote So if you are SOF and have a newer M4A1 that has had a RAS, RIS II, MK8, etc. added by a unit armorer, it probably has a heavy barrel. If you have an M4A1 Lower Receiver Group with a Crane Upper Receiver Group added to it, it has a standard barrel |
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Originally Posted By prskiller:
I like my socom barrel, besides no one can see it under the rail, BUT........ http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/He+pulled+a+gearboy+on+us+all+_19c90db3f3e03f01c67d5ac641687ba0.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By prskiller:
Originally Posted By LRB45:
What's the deal with Socom barrels? I thought they were the go to barrel now everyone is saying they aren't! Which is it then!? http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/He+pulled+a+gearboy+on+us+all+_19c90db3f3e03f01c67d5ac641687ba0.jpg |
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Clone correct then SOCOM barrel
But... Barrel thickness and longevity I do not think support each other. Barrels erode from inside out. One could say a thicker barrel retains more heat and a thinner barrel sheds heat faster. So thinner could be the way to go. Once a barrel looses its accuracy via erosion its worthless to me. But then again.. Thicker barrel means it will go longer under extreme heat before catastrophic failure (warping with bullet launching out the side.) Reason why SOCOM went with it.. (for high heat full auto fire expectations) Accuracy: I have not found SOCOM barrels more accurate at all, over a standard barrel, Just more weight. If you are going to run suppressed or full auto or both then SOCOM would be the best choice but for semi-fire only, Id go with a normal one. |
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Would also add that I haven't noticed a difference in accuracy between my Colt gov pros and Colt SOCOMs. They're all tack drivers. Obviously the SOCOM will remain more stiff from barrel extension to gas block under flex tho. But probably too marginal to matter.
Was definitely disappointed in the accuracy of my BCM SOCOM barrels (plural), though. I prefer the SOCOM barrel for its heat synching properties. Pezboy prefers the lighter weight profiles for being an overall lighter rifle. I think they both have their merits. Pick which you like and roll with it. The heat synch thing is a peace of mind thing for me, because as we all here should know, heat is the main killer of barrels. Followed by heat cycles/flame cutting etc |
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Colt all the shit!
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My RIS II FSP has a government profile Colt 14.5" barrel, and it is still clone correct. Of course I bought the rail back when DD was selling them to the public and bought it in black, but I really could care less. Both were issued, so falls under clone profile.
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Mark it Zero!!
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I'm honestly about ready to shove a 14.5 mid under the RIS and not say anything
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Originally Posted By Jlgil73:
I'll just put this right here... was 11 degrees F today, but I still made it out since I had the day off.... Got the Ecos zeroed and dialed in at 100m. I may have to loose the matech and move it further back though... https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/39297780982_4f2e688642_o.jpg View Quote |
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Someone here was asking about the IUD labels. Seen square, rectanglar and circular. Here's a circle one getting replaced with the new rectangle one.
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Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Just to add to this, it also has the production date of "03OCT08" marked on it. Thought I saw someone mention they were after these older rails with the dates marked on them. I've got his contact info if anyone's interested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
There's an older NON-FSP RIS II with the lightening holes in the bottom rail for sale in the EE right now for $415 if anyone's interested. It's not mine. There have been several versions of the RISII over the years. |
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Pertaining to the thread, SOCOM for the win!
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PSALMS 144-1 Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to warre, and my fingers to fight
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Hi all. I am looking for help, volunteers, etc., who can write about the weapons of the war on terror, like the M4A1 Block 1 and Block 2.
A few friends and I formed a group called SOCOM Weapons Organization, a non-profit club dedicated to education and out of respect for the men and women who served in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places fighting enemies seen and unseen around the World to maintain our freedom and that of our allies. I have a shell of a Website setup, http://socomweapons.org and am looking for someone to write a page about the Block 1, add some pics, then specs, and how to build a clone, etc. Then the same for the Block 2, then the Mk18, the Mk11, Mk12, Mk13, M110, SAM-R, SDM-R, 416, 417, M1A SOCOM, and so forth. I have all the infrastructure taken care of. I might need help in the actual Website technical end on WordPress, but mostly content. Also, this should be thought of as not an encyclopedia of all the content, but will have links back to this forum, for example, and other sources where the primary information is contained. I envision socomweapons.org to be a starting place, with a modest amount of primary information (by lines encouraged, but not required), but with more links to all the available information contained elsewhere. Also, this will not be a forum for discussions. We will refer back to ARFcom and other sites for discussion. This is a curated reference site. Please email me if you have the time, the passion and the knowledge to help. |
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As far as short barrels go, my testing and that of others has shown the Colt is hard to beat. SOCOM is preferred, mug Govt prime is okay too. BCM has fallen off. I think those are FN barrels ?? LMT is strong and DD has really improved and impressed lately. They took gas port size and other feedback, and since Aug, they have produce a very nice 10.3, 14.5 and 16 inch.
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Originally Posted By heavygunner8:
Hi. Thank you. And yes, I got a Trijicon MRO Patrol with the 1/3 cowitness cantilever mount for it. I also bought a Geissele SD-3G trigger as well as Vltor A5 Buffer system. The Vltor will have to wait, as no one has them in stock at the moment, I backordered with brownells. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By heavygunner8:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: It'll be a nice build. Like you said, not 100% clone correct, but still very nice. Any plans for an optic? |
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Originally Posted By Jlgil73:
I'll just put this right here... was 11 degrees F today, but I still made it out since I had the day off.... Got the Ecos zeroed and dialed in at 100m. I may have to loose the matech and move it further back though... https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/39297780982_4f2e688642_o.jpg View Quote Originally Posted By byou79: The factory slotted screws are garbage. I had some leftover allen screws that fit and I rarely carry a flathead screwdriver with me. Back to the barrel conversation. I like my SOCOM barrels. They are accurate and easy to acquire. The weight savings with the M4 barrel over the SOCOM is negligible to me. My rifle is already a fat ass pig, so it's not a concern for me. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bigjunk1:
I have 2 of the older RISII rails with the fatter profile and lightening holes and neither have a date. Made in Savannah Ga. with a flatter finish than my newer RISII. There have been several versions of the RISII over the years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigjunk1:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
There's an older NON-FSP RIS II with the lightening holes in the bottom rail for sale in the EE right now for $415 if anyone's interested. It's not mine. There have been several versions of the RISII over the years. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Correct, for M4A1 14.5" RIS II with FSB both barrel contours are correct. On NON FSB, those however 99% are Govt profile however. All spare complete uppers non FSB from Crane use the Govt profile. Those that have the SOCOM FSB bbls are ones the unit armorers install as those barrels were already on the guns. M4A1 URG/CQBRs 10.3" using the Mk18 RIS II those all used to be cut down Colt Govt profile from Crane. We just started getting FN SOCOM 10.3" bbls set up from the factory. I haven't installed any yet however. CD View Quote Or should I assemble the upper receiver and then send it off? |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Okay, so I broke down and bought a new 14.5 govt contour which is getting shipped off to ADCO for a pin/weld with a SF4P. I'm fairly certain that once the FH is on I can still put the barrel on the upper receiver and install the handguard without any issues since the FH will be perm'd at that point. Right? Or should I assemble the upper receiver and then send it off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Correct, for M4A1 14.5" RIS II with FSB both barrel contours are correct. On NON FSB, those however 99% are Govt profile however. All spare complete uppers non FSB from Crane use the Govt profile. Those that have the SOCOM FSB bbls are ones the unit armorers install as those barrels were already on the guns. M4A1 URG/CQBRs 10.3" using the Mk18 RIS II those all used to be cut down Colt Govt profile from Crane. We just started getting FN SOCOM 10.3" bbls set up from the factory. I haven't installed any yet however. CD Or should I assemble the upper receiver and then send it off? ETA: Oops, and the barrel nut. |
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Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Not really clone related, but how sweet would a RIS II look with a tan-odized upper? Scored a bunch of these. Tan anodized uppers are almost impossible to find, it seems. Pretty much the same as the FDE anodized rifles Colt released a few years ago. Keyhole forge uppers. https://s14.postimg.org/671817txd/20171230_184243.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/a0lhizrdt/20171230_143749.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/ssxcmlqcx/20171230_143726.jpg View Quote Those look great! Edit: any going on the EE by chance? |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Yep, I'm jealous! Lol Those look great! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Not really clone related, but how sweet would a RIS II look with a tan-odized upper? Scored a bunch of these. Tan anodized uppers are almost impossible to find, it seems. Pretty much the same as the FDE anodized rifles Colt released a few years ago. Keyhole forge uppers. https://s14.postimg.org/671817txd/20171230_184243.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/a0lhizrdt/20171230_143749.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/ssxcmlqcx/20171230_143726.jpg Those look great! There might be some for sale in the EE. I'll only sell you one if you stop buying up all the good stuff in the EE. I keep clicking on Colt/KAC stuff in the EE and see that you've already bought it. |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Great, thanks for the confirmation! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: Yes, as long as the gas block/FSB is installed before the 4 prong is pinned, you can still assemble the upper. Better hurry. There's only one left for now. They went fast, but I'll probably post more soon. And see my edit above about my requirement to you. |
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Originally Posted By 871JZ: @5pt56 Better hurry. There's only one left for now. They went fast, but I'll probably post more soon. And see my edit above about my requirement to you. View Quote My wife is ready to kill me anyhow.....and I think I'm FINALLY done with gathering all parts for a block 1, 1.5, 2. MK18 MOD 0, mod 1. Mk12 mod 0, mod 1 and mod H. And did I mention I'm broke now too? Lol |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Hahahahah!!! Deal. My wife is ready to kill me anyhow.....and I think I'm FINALLY done with gathering all parts for a block 1, 1.5, 2. MK18 MOD 0, mod 1. Mk12 mod 0, mod 1 and mod H. And did I mention I'm broke now too? Lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: @5pt56 Better hurry. There's only one left for now. They went fast, but I'll probably post more soon. And see my edit above about my requirement to you. My wife is ready to kill me anyhow.....and I think I'm FINALLY done with gathering all parts for a block 1, 1.5, 2. MK18 MOD 0, mod 1. Mk12 mod 0, mod 1 and mod H. And did I mention I'm broke now too? Lol If you're serious make sure you claim it in the thread, otherwise it's going to whoever does. If not, no biggie. Someone will snag it. |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
I got it. Phone glitched so it posted twice. Hahaha View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By 871JZ:
This might help your imagination. The lighting in the pic sucks. The upper isn't anywhere near that dark colored in person. https://s14.postimg.org/nllg9n3yp/20171230_190526.jpg I also scored two new in package PRI Gasbuster charging handles for $19.99 each. Guess the dude didn't know what they were or something. Lol View Quote I would like to put that upper on my MK18, and get rid of the damned DD printed on it |
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Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Dude. Score on the Gasbusters! I would like to put that upper on my MK18, and get rid of the damned DD printed on it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
This might help your imagination. The lighting in the pic sucks. The upper isn't anywhere near that dark colored in person. https://s14.postimg.org/nllg9n3yp/20171230_190526.jpg I also scored two new in package PRI Gasbuster charging handles for $19.99 each. Guess the dude didn't know what they were or something. Lol I would like to put that upper on my MK18, and get rid of the damned DD printed on it Tell me about it. They went right on the EE because they were 7.62 handles and I don't have a use for them. Lol If you want an upper, let me know. It would look sweet on a MK18. Those DD logos are hideous! |
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Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Okay, so I broke down and bought a new 14.5 govt contour which is getting shipped off to ADCO for a pin/weld with a SF4P. I'm fairly certain that once the FH is on I can still put the barrel on the upper receiver and install the handguard without any issues since the FH will be perm'd at that point. Right? Or should I assemble the upper receiver and then send it off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Correct, for M4A1 14.5" RIS II with FSB both barrel contours are correct. On NON FSB, those however 99% are Govt profile however. All spare complete uppers non FSB from Crane use the Govt profile. Those that have the SOCOM FSB bbls are ones the unit armorers install as those barrels were already on the guns. M4A1 URG/CQBRs 10.3" using the Mk18 RIS II those all used to be cut down Colt Govt profile from Crane. We just started getting FN SOCOM 10.3" bbls set up from the factory. I haven't installed any yet however. CD Or should I assemble the upper receiver and then send it off? |
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Matt Burkett Predator offset mount just popped up in the EE. I know there's a few guys here that mentioned wanting one. Also a bunch of Elcan Wilcox mounts.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/KAC-WILCOX-CLONE-PARTS-lots-of-stuff-check-it-out/25-1725513/ |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Would also add that I haven't noticed a difference in accuracy between my Colt gov pros and Colt SOCOMs. They're all tack drivers. Obviously the SOCOM will remain more stiff from barrel extension to gas block under flex tho. But probably too marginal to matter. Was definitely disappointed in the accuracy of my BCM SOCOM barrels (plural), though. I prefer the SOCOM barrel for its heat synching properties. Pezboy prefers the lighter weight profiles for being an overall lighter rifle. I think they both have their merits. Pick which you like and roll with it. The heat synch thing is a peace of mind thing for me, because as we all here should know, heat is the main killer of barrels. Followed by heat cycles/flame cutting etc View Quote Originally Posted By aaron580:
I'm honestly about ready to shove a 14.5 mid under the RIS and not say anything View Quote Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Someone here was asking about the IUD labels. Seen square, rectanglar and circular. Here's a circle one getting replaced with the new rectangle one. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4651_rz-403629.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4650_rz-403646.JPG CD View Quote |
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Originally Posted By barrelnutz:
Hi all. I am looking for help, volunteers, etc., who can write about the weapons of the war on terror, like the M4A1 Block 1 and Block 2. A few friends and I formed a group called SOCOM Weapons Organization, a non-profit club dedicated to education and out of respect for the men and women who served in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places fighting enemies seen and unseen around the World to maintain our freedom and that of our allies. I have a shell of a Website setup, http://socomweapons.org and am looking for someone to write a page about the Block 1, add some pics, then specs, and how to build a clone, etc. Then the same for the Block 2, then the Mk18, the Mk11, Mk12, Mk13, M110, SAM-R, SDM-R, 416, 417, M1A SOCOM, and so forth. I have all the infrastructure taken care of. I might need help in the actual Website technical end on WordPress, but mostly content. Also, this should be thought of as not an encyclopedia of all the content, but will have links back to this forum, for example, and other sources where the primary information is contained. I envision socomweapons.org to be a starting place, with a modest amount of primary information (by lines encouraged, but not required), but with more links to all the available information contained elsewhere. Also, this will not be a forum for discussions. We will refer back to ARFcom and other sites for discussion. This is a curated reference site. Please email me if you have the time, the passion and the knowledge to help. View Quote Originally Posted By gatordev:
FWIW, I'm dangerously close to popping off my 14.5" M4 profile barrel on my Block 2 and putting a spare SOCOM in it. The primary reason is the annoying POI shift when I put a can on it (repeatable, and just due to the weight of the can). If end up pulling it off, I'll let folks know here, as the price would be more than fair. Pic thread (might be a repeat)... https://farm1.staticflickr.com/749/33000954050_2af079523c_b.jpg View Quote |
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I think you might've misread my comment brother. I was disappointed in the BCM SOCOM barrels' accuracy. All 3 of my Colt barrels are tack drivers.
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Colt all the shit!
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I think you might've misread my comment brother. I was disappointed in the BCM SOCOM barrels' accuracy. All 3 of my Colt barrels are tack drivers. View Quote But, yeah, I've heard the BCM SOCOM's weren't all that great as far as accuracy. I'll stick with the Colt's. |
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Question for the hive.
I picked up a colt 6920 socom with the 16" barrel and was looking to turn this into a block II clone. I got a DD RIS (fsp) rail and was wondering if I should have the barrel cut down to 14.5 or just leave it at 16"? Will it look funny with 16" coming out of the RIS rail? Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. |
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Originally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Question for the hive. I picked up a colt 6920 socom with the 16" barrel and was looking to turn this into a block II clone. I got a DD RIS (fsp) rail and was wondering if I should have the barrel cut down to 14.5 or just leave it at 16"? Will it look funny with 16" coming out of the RIS rail? Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Question for the hive. I picked up a colt 6920 socom with the 16" barrel and was looking to turn this into a block II clone. I got a DD RIS (fsp) rail and was wondering if I should have the barrel cut down to 14.5 or just leave it at 16"? Will it look funny with 16" coming out of the RIS rail? Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. View Quote CD |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Funny thing about clones is that there are exceptions based on ATF/state law on what we can/can't have. Hence your state may allow you to have an SBR but then you have to pony up another $200 and a long wait. Cutting a down to 14.5" as stated has its own problems. A 16" bbl is acceptable as having a SF3P over a SF4P. CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Question for the hive. I picked up a colt 6920 socom with the 16" barrel and was looking to turn this into a block II clone. I got a DD RIS (fsp) rail and was wondering if I should have the barrel cut down to 14.5 or just leave it at 16"? Will it look funny with 16" coming out of the RIS rail? Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. CD I think a big part of a Block II is having the correct barrel, which includes profile and length. You can only take so much away before it's not a B2 anymore. I would either have ADCO cut it down to 14.5", add the step back in and refinish it, or just do what I would do and go with the better and even more correct option. That is to sell the 16" barrel in favor of a factory 14.5". That way you're doing it 100% kosher and get to keep your barrel markings. If you ask a fair price you won't have any trouble selling the 16" SOCOM barrel. On the other hand, you will more than likely pay more for a 14.5" SOCOM barrel than you'll get for the 16" version, unless you score a deal on a used one. To answer the other question of will it look funny with a 16" barreled RIS II upper, IMO, yes. Hate to be the party pooper here, but the 14.5" would look MUCH better. The bright side is that you've already got the correct lower. |
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Sell the 16" and get a 14.5".
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