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Originally Posted By Ej6fade:
I picked the ALG because I don't want the extra weight of quad rails and I hate key-mod. That, and I took it off a buddy's hands for $75 BNIB View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ej6fade:
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
The ALG EMR is becoming THE recce rail huh? I picked the ALG because I don't want the extra weight of quad rails and I hate key-mod. That, and I took it off a buddy's hands for $75 BNIB For $75, you cannot beat that. I had considered the ALG EMR when I was doing my Recce, but I just liked the MI SSM M-LOK handguards better. |
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Originally Posted By outlaw7:
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/2015-02-08%2013.43.15_zpsrwnhyfzy.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/2015-02-08%2013.43.15_zpsrwnhyfzy.jpg</a> View Quote Dude..... That looks great |
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Dude..... That looks great View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By patriot_man:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns: I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg View Quote NT4 would be my wager. |
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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. <a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a> View Quote I've heard the NT4 but I do think AAC would be an educated guess due to how prevalent they are in this unit. M4-2K or perhaps the SPR can. I've only seen one recce rifle with a suppressor which was from the Medal of Honor promo. My opinion is that they were not too prevalent with the rifle. First off if a team was on a recce mission there are a few reasons I can think of why they wouldn't take a can. First is to reduce weight and secondly for the off chance they make contact. When the team breaks contact I would think that the suppressor isn't going to do them much good. Firstly they are being engaged, the enemy knows they are there and the need for suppression is not there. Secondly they would want to create the illusion of being a larger force and nothing says that like full auto mag dumps from an unsuppressed weapon. |
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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. <a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a> View Quote I know Augee has a BE Meyers that is comparable with the NT4, it's hard to tell from that pic if that is one of those suppressor compatible models or not. |
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I don't think it is, those have extra collar, the cuts between the prongs are not as deep and it has an additional grove on the bottom.
Here is a pic of one (not mine): Originally Posted By Mblades:
I know Augee has a BE Meyers that is comparable with the NT4, it's hard to tell from that pic if that is one of those suppressor compatible models or not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. <a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a> I know Augee has a BE Meyers that is comparable with the NT4, it's hard to tell from that pic if that is one of those suppressor compatible models or not. |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home. http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg this is for Utah......that honest wear http://s13.postimg.org/vbs6f2xw7/IMG_6053.jpgimage hosting over 5mb View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. <a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a> View Quote Uhm... The correct suppressor would be "none." The Lilja M4 barrel was presumably "conceived" to be used with the KAC M4QDSS, but would work with just about any muzzle mound suppressor, including, for example, the AAC 416SD. It is not, as profiled from Lilja, able to take any "reflex" type suppressors, and it does not even have a "skim cut" behind the muzzle threads according to Lilja's drawings. There are a lot of reasons to run a rifle without a suppressor depending on the mission set and role - most of which being and involving weight and length. Just as a "for instance," if you were using the rifle from an aerial platform, being noisy would probably would be one of your last concerns, while swinging a 16" barreled carbine with a suppressor at the end is probably less helpful. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By MTNShewter:
Just finished the SPR. Next up is to replace the barrel on the 16" with something profiled for the AEM5 and find an ACOG <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/wcoutret/media/AR15/954FF72C-035C-46DD-9CEB-554460041EB7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/wcoutret/AR15/954FF72C-035C-46DD-9CEB-554460041EB7.jpg</a> View Quote Allen Engineering makes an AEM5 collar that will allow it to work on M4 profile barrels... |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home. <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg</a> this is for Utah......that honest wear <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/vbs6f2xw7/IMG_6053.jpg</a>image hosting over 5mb View Quote Looks like your sopmod stock is getting a workout from your beard too. |
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Switched out optics, I love the reticle in it. 2.5x10. Not sure if it still qualifies as a recce or more of a spr now.
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home. <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg</a> this is for Utah......that honest wear <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/vbs6f2xw7/IMG_6053.jpg</a>image hosting over 5mb View Quote What size barrel is that? Just curious. |
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Originally Posted By patriot_man:
It's my opinion that the true SEAL recon rifles were used for more of a precision role while possessing the capability to be used in CQB if needed. I believe that these rifles may be used for over watch by SEAL snipers as well as the name implies, for recce's. I've normally accepted that the recon rifle was used soley by the SEAL snipers within the unit. However there was information that did not mesh well so I've thought about this for a while. This is just my analysis and the only way to be sure is to get the info first hand but this is my take. I've read Mark Owen (an assaulter) mention that he had a 14.5" HK416 upper with a NF scope for longer engagements if needed. As many of you know we've been told that the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel and NF 2.5-10 is now the new recce rifle so that brings up a lot of questions as to who has a recce rifle or even if the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel is considered a the true successor to the recce rifle. So this info I've formed that the following two things are going on here: 1) SEAL snipers within DEVGRU are utilizing 14.5" HK416 uppers which are readily available to all of its members, not just snipers, and using it in the same role as the recon rifle. 2) Recon rifles in the "original" configuration are still in use. These sets of photos are actually pretty recent dating around 2011 or 2012. Using some logic I've narrowed down the time frame to between the Bin Laden raid and October 2012. In conclusion I think that the original recce rifle is still in use but may be only used by SEAL snipers while the 14.5" HK416 uppers are readily accessible to everyone including assaulters but are also used by a number of SEAL snipers as their choice to fill the same role as the recon rifle. As for CQB use. If any of you guys watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFUWOYkrDE you see that Dom Raso uses the red dot to line up his sight picture with the target and then drops his head to use the scope. Using my clone for a while I found that I was using the red dot in a similar way. I believe this is why we see so many red dots in 12 o clock mounts instead of the usual 45 degrees we see with "gamer guns". While it indeed does provide a red dot for back up use and CQB one of it's other main purpose is to be used as a target acquisition aid i.e. a more precision rifle orientated use. If they were trying to find a gun that would be a well rounded performer they would have most likely gone with an offset red dot or a lower power variable scope. Secondly I have not seen a single white light on a recon rifle. If you guys have seen photos of assaulter's short HK416 rifles in the same unit you notice that all of them have a SF scout in a S&S precision mount. I think the lack of white light also points to a precision based rig. Third, once again connecting back to Dom Raso. He has a clone of a recon rifle and he has mentioned to me that it is a clone of his rifle he had in the service. I think a lot of signs point to him as being in some sort of designated marksman or potentially a sniper but I can not confirm. His photos in the service always shows him with a magnified optic on his rifle and is something that stands out to me, especially when all the photos of his unit have Eotech sights on their rifles. http://i.imgur.com/rV6JA3R.png http://i.imgur.com/H55qwPN.png http://i.imgur.com/WYfqeXE.png http://i.imgur.com/jJA8DcB.png http://i.imgur.com/ggxDzO8.png http://i.imgur.com/JgYNUBX.png http://i.imgur.com/Heplwtj.png http://i.imgur.com/C1FRQ9q.png View Quote Who makes mounts like that? For micros or rmr mounted to the scope. I see Larue does but I don't know what to search for to find them. |
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
Who makes mounts like that? For micros or rmr mounted to the scope. I see Larue does but I don't know what to search for to find them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TannerB:
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
It's my opinion that the true SEAL recon rifles were used for more of a precision role while possessing the capability to be used in CQB if needed. I believe that these rifles may be used for over watch by SEAL snipers as well as the name implies, for recce's. I've normally accepted that the recon rifle was used soley by the SEAL snipers within the unit. However there was information that did not mesh well so I've thought about this for a while. This is just my analysis and the only way to be sure is to get the info first hand but this is my take. I've read Mark Owen (an assaulter) mention that he had a 14.5" HK416 upper with a NF scope for longer engagements if needed. As many of you know we've been told that the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel and NF 2.5-10 is now the new recce rifle so that brings up a lot of questions as to who has a recce rifle or even if the HK416 with a 14.5" barrel is considered a the true successor to the recce rifle. So this info I've formed that the following two things are going on here: 1) SEAL snipers within DEVGRU are utilizing 14.5" HK416 uppers which are readily available to all of its members, not just snipers, and using it in the same role as the recon rifle. 2) Recon rifles in the "original" configuration are still in use. These sets of photos are actually pretty recent dating around 2011 or 2012. Using some logic I've narrowed down the time frame to between the Bin Laden raid and October 2012. In conclusion I think that the original recce rifle is still in use but may be only used by SEAL snipers while the 14.5" HK416 uppers are readily accessible to everyone including assaulters but are also used by a number of SEAL snipers as their choice to fill the same role as the recon rifle. As for CQB use. If any of you guys watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFUWOYkrDE you see that Dom Raso uses the red dot to line up his sight picture with the target and then drops his head to use the scope. Using my clone for a while I found that I was using the red dot in a similar way. I believe this is why we see so many red dots in 12 o clock mounts instead of the usual 45 degrees we see with "gamer guns". While it indeed does provide a red dot for back up use and CQB one of it's other main purpose is to be used as a target acquisition aid i.e. a more precision rifle orientated use. If they were trying to find a gun that would be a well rounded performer they would have most likely gone with an offset red dot or a lower power variable scope. Secondly I have not seen a single white light on a recon rifle. If you guys have seen photos of assaulter's short HK416 rifles in the same unit you notice that all of them have a SF scout in a S&S precision mount. I think the lack of white light also points to a precision based rig. Third, once again connecting back to Dom Raso. He has a clone of a recon rifle and he has mentioned to me that it is a clone of his rifle he had in the service. I think a lot of signs point to him as being in some sort of designated marksman or potentially a sniper but I can not confirm. His photos in the service always shows him with a magnified optic on his rifle and is something that stands out to me, especially when all the photos of his unit have Eotech sights on their rifles. http://i.imgur.com/rV6JA3R.png http://i.imgur.com/H55qwPN.png http://i.imgur.com/WYfqeXE.png http://i.imgur.com/jJA8DcB.png http://i.imgur.com/ggxDzO8.png http://i.imgur.com/JgYNUBX.png http://i.imgur.com/Heplwtj.png http://i.imgur.com/C1FRQ9q.png Who makes mounts like that? For micros or rmr mounted to the scope. I see Larue does but I don't know what to search for to find them. The T-1 mount was a Wilcox product and the Doctor mount version is also made by Wilcox. The one Dom is using that is independent from the scope, I have no clue. You see the regular SEAL teams utilizing the doctor mount versions and I believe the T-1 version was made at the request of the SMU to rectify issues with rain and mud effecting the RDS. My overall take on the mount was that it is poorly designed. There is no way you can torque the rings on the other side where the Aimpoint rheostat is located. I made do with hand tightening with a small torx wrench but I would much rather have the peace of mind that it was torqued properly. My Wilcox T-1 Mount took approximately 2 months to get to my door. I believe it was machined to order due to the machining marks and lack of touch up. The finish seemed like Type II anodizing. TannerB, you have the 2 HK416 uppers right? Are they MR556's or HK416's? I actually just started to part out my recce rifle to go that route. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA: Looks like your sopmod stock is getting a workout from your beard too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JJREA: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Banging steel today with boring regularity with CBC 77gr OTM. Took some pics when I got home. <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/9t6zeb4t3/IMG_6047.jpg</a> this is for Utah......that honest wear <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s13.postimg.org/vbs6f2xw7/IMG_6053.jpg</a>image hosting over 5mb Looks like your sopmod stock is getting a workout from your beard too. |
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Augee you just told me everything I needed to know. I am just going to use an NT4 mount on it.
Originally Posted By Augee:
Uhm... The correct suppressor would be "none." The Lilja M4 barrel was presumably "conceived" to be used with the KAC M4QDSS, but would work with just about any muzzle mound suppressor, including, for example, the AAC 416SD. It is not, as profiled from Lilja, able to take any "reflex" type suppressors, and it does not even have a "skim cut" behind the muzzle threads according to Lilja's drawings. There are a lot of reasons to run a rifle without a suppressor depending on the mission set and role - most of which being and involving weight and length. Just as a "for instance," if you were using the rifle from an aerial platform, being noisy would probably would be one of your last concerns, while swinging a 16" barreled carbine with a suppressor at the end is probably less helpful. ~Augee View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
I was wonbdering if anyone knew or could make an educated guess what supressor would be correct for the rifle below, you cant tell from the mount in this picture since it has an BE Meyers on it. I am guessing it would either be a KAC NT4 or a Surefire FA556-212 since it doesnt have an ops collar and the barrel does not look to be profiled for one. <a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/RECCEFORREAL_zps6cefc6aa.jpg</a> Uhm... The correct suppressor would be "none." The Lilja M4 barrel was presumably "conceived" to be used with the KAC M4QDSS, but would work with just about any muzzle mound suppressor, including, for example, the AAC 416SD. It is not, as profiled from Lilja, able to take any "reflex" type suppressors, and it does not even have a "skim cut" behind the muzzle threads according to Lilja's drawings. There are a lot of reasons to run a rifle without a suppressor depending on the mission set and role - most of which being and involving weight and length. Just as a "for instance," if you were using the rifle from an aerial platform, being noisy would probably would be one of your last concerns, while swinging a 16" barreled carbine with a suppressor at the end is probably less helpful. ~Augee |
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Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
PM, what's happening to your recce build? I saw the rail go and the remnants in the EE. What do you have in mind next? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
snip. PM, what's happening to your recce build? I saw the rail go and the remnants in the EE. What do you have in mind next? I'm working out a deal for a 14.5" HK416 upper. I think I'm crazy for even thinking considering it and I'm still debating if this is a good move as I've heard that HK416 kits are making their way back to the U.S. But with no substantial evidence backing up this claim I can't really say this is true or not. If I had some sort of confirmation of the HK416A5 or something coming to the market in the next few years I would just wait it out and build SOPMOD 1.5 clone to hold me off til then. The recce was the only AR-15 I had built up and I'm sure it'll be the same with the HK416 so I probably won't feel as bad |
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Originally Posted By tinythief:
Can't speak for others but I really like mine. The tube is light but hell of beefy, same with the barrel nut. Light weight, strong, looks pretty, relatively well priced. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tinythief:
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
The ALG EMR is becoming THE recce rail huh? Can't speak for others but I really like mine. The tube is light but hell of beefy, same with the barrel nut. Light weight, strong, looks pretty, relatively well priced. For the price, it is hard to beat. |
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I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2.
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Originally Posted By Bravo42:
I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2. View Quote If you're not getting a good cheek weld with an adjustable stock, and a2 will not help. You need to move your optic forward or backwards if this is the case. |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
If you're not getting a good cheek weld with an adjustable stock, and a2 will not help. You need to move your optic forward or backwards if this is the case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By Bravo42:
I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2. If you're not getting a good cheek weld with an adjustable stock, and a2 will not help. You need to move your optic forward or backwards if this is the case. This. The A2 has less surface area than just about anything else. |
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A little more on the previous conversation:
Been doing some thinking/watching/reading on the role and specs of the RECCE/recon platform, and it seems we have two contradictory concepts of the recce running here. Problem is, both versions “have been seen in the wild” whether from verbal reports or pictures, which further underscores the nebulous nature of these “clones.” * * * * On one hand… Look at Raso’s gun, the glass, rail, barrel material….in every way except for barrel length that thing is a mini-SPR. It doesn’t seem to have a CQB or <50yd role at all other than the mini red dot. There is a video of Marines in Helmand that was pointed out as being representative of the DMR/RECCE overwatch role, but everyone in that video is using a high-power scope on a Mk12 type platform or more of a traditional bolt gun. For overwatch, wouldn’t you use a dedicated sniper platform anyway instead of a recce-type “do it all” gun? What does this give you that is lacking in a Mk12 or M24 or M110 system for this role? On the other hand… The screen grabs from CoDMoH WF are of a 1-4(6)x of some kind and a visible/IR laser, which seems to be closer to the original concept outlined in the beginning of this thread…that of an “accurized” M4. I’m under the impression that lasers are only used in close range engagements, not the DMR or sniper role. Is that accurate? * * * * FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. |
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Originally Posted By minion42: FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. View Quote Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
A little more on the previous conversation: Been doing some thinking/watching/reading on the role and specs of the RECCE/recon platform, and it seems we have two contradictory concepts of the recce running here. Problem is, both versions “have been seen in the wild” whether from verbal reports or pictures, which further underscores the nebulous nature of these “clones.” * * * * On one hand… Look at Raso’s gun, the glass, rail, barrel material….in every way except for barrel length that thing is a mini-SPR. It doesn’t seem to have a CQB or <50yd role at all other than the mini red dot. There is a video of Marines in Helmand that was pointed out as being representative of the DMR/RECCE overwatch role, but everyone in that video is using a high-power scope on a Mk12 type platform or more of a traditional bolt gun. For overwatch, wouldn’t you use a dedicated sniper platform anyway instead of a recce-type “do it all” gun? What does this give you that is lacking in a Mk12 or M24 or M110 system for this role? On the other hand… The screen grabs from CoD WF are of a 1-4(6)x of some kind and a visible/IR laser, which seems to be closer to the original concept outlined in the beginning of this thread…that of an “accurized” M4. I’m under the impression that lasers are only used in close range engagements, not the DMR or sniper role. Is that accurate? * * * * FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. View Quote When you are saying COD WF are you talking about the Medal of Honor videos? The scope in there is a 2.5-10x24 NF. Also the IR laser is needed for illuminating and pointing out targets as well as for CQB. All guns in SOF, including bolt actions, are kitted out with lasers to illuminate when using a clip on NV or to point out targets. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By minion42:
FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. Agree 110 percent. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By minion42:
FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. Good...cuz that's what I'm building! That's interesting given that the RECCE came before the Mk12 chronologically. I guess the concept lives on. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By minion42:
FWIW, when I think of a RECCE role, I think of the original mission of the four man team in Operation Red Wings…they were essentially a recon team operating in advance of the main strike force, which would seem to be the perfect time for this platform. And they used the Mk12 Mod1. In reading on this it’s becoming apparent why the RECCE/recon concept gave way to the SPR/Mk12 type…the RECCE is a jack of all trades, master of none. ETA: This video by LAV popped up in the Mk12 thread. It is relevant here given the Mk12 more or less replaced the RECCE. Some interesting comments on piggybacking the mini RDS and using the platform for other-than-marksman roles. Actually, I would argue the recce has since replaced the Mk12 / SPR system. Accurized M4s with shorter barrels and variable-powered optics are almost as capable as the SPR concept, only without the weight and added length. On the other side 7.62 guns like the SCAR and KAC are more capable than a Mk12 at long range and only give up a small penalty in size and weight. Not a lot of market share left for the old Mk12 I'm afraid. |
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've decided to get a bit more serious with my MRE, so I'm looking for some advice on some part swapping. I plan on removing the SF3P in favor of an NT4, getting a legit N1/CAR stock, or swapping for an A1, and maybe ditching the TA01NSN in favor of a GRSC 1-4 (if I can find one). I'm not really sure which scope rings would be "more correct" for the GRSC, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know. Any suggestions? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> View Quote Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I've decided to get a bit more serious with my MRE, so I'm looking for some advice on some part swapping. I plan on removing the SF3P in favor of an NT4, getting a legit N1/CAR stock, or swapping for an A1, and maybe ditching the TA01NSN in favor of a GRSC 1-4 (if I can find one). I'm not really sure which scope rings would be "more correct" for the GRSC, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know. Any suggestions? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades:
Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've decided to get a bit more serious with my MRE, so I'm looking for some advice on some part swapping. I plan on removing the SF3P in favor of an NT4, getting a legit N1/CAR stock, or swapping for an A1, and maybe ditching the TA01NSN in favor of a GRSC 1-4 (if I can find one). I'm not really sure which scope rings would be "more correct" for the GRSC, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know. Any suggestions? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I've decided to get a bit more serious with my MRE, so I'm looking for some advice on some part swapping. I plan on removing the SF3P in favor of an NT4, getting a legit N1/CAR stock, or swapping for an A1, and maybe ditching the TA01NSN in favor of a GRSC 1-4 (if I can find one). I'm not really sure which scope rings would be "more correct" for the GRSC, so if anyone has any ideas, let me know. Any suggestions? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. Haha. Wheelman, why chase a GRSC? Why not use a Hi-Lux CMR? I'd say ARMS #22Hs would be safe rings to use. Unfortunately, that TA01NSN is pretty damn clone-proper. I know the eye relief sucks but... |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah: Haha. Wheelman, why chase a GRSC? Why not use a Hi-Lux CMR? I'd say ARMS #22Hs would be safe rings to use. Unfortunately, that TA01NSN is pretty damn clone-proper. I know the eye relief sucks but... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Mblades: <snip> Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. Haha. Wheelman, why chase a GRSC? Why not use a Hi-Lux CMR? I'd say ARMS #22Hs would be safe rings to use. Unfortunately, that TA01NSN is pretty damn clone-proper. I know the eye relief sucks but... I agree on the #22H's and will most likely pick up a pair (unless you still have yours), and I'll hold on to the NSN until I've made my mind up. After seeing Augee's MRE with an A1, I tried it and really liked it, but I'll probably end up trying to find an N1 or fiberlite. |
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
"Semi clone-correct." I like the price of the CMR, but I've seen a couple used GRSC 1-4's go for around the same money as a new CMR. I agree on the #22H's and will most likely pick up a pair (unless you still have yours), and I'll hold on to the NSN until I've made my mind up. After seeing Augee's MRE with an A1, I tried it and really liked it, but I'll probably end up trying to find an N1 or fiberlite. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
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Sounds like a lot of work. I suggest you sell the MRE to me. Haha. Wheelman, why chase a GRSC? Why not use a Hi-Lux CMR? I'd say ARMS #22Hs would be safe rings to use. Unfortunately, that TA01NSN is pretty damn clone-proper. I know the eye relief sucks but... I agree on the #22H's and will most likely pick up a pair (unless you still have yours), and I'll hold on to the NSN until I've made my mind up. After seeing Augee's MRE with an A1, I tried it and really liked it, but I'll probably end up trying to find an N1 or fiberlite. You should go for a full delta clone. S&B short dot. |
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Originally Posted By patriot_man: You should go for a full delta clone. S&B short dot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By patriot_man: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: "Semi clone-correct." I like the price of the CMR, but I've seen a couple used GRSC 1-4's go for around the same money as a new CMR. I agree on the #22H's and will most likely pick up a pair (unless you still have yours), and I'll hold on to the NSN until I've made my mind up. After seeing Augee's MRE with an A1, I tried it and really liked it, but I'll probably end up trying to find an N1 or fiberlite. You should go for a full delta clone. S&B short dot. That's one reason I started looking at the GRSC. Externally, and with a bit of paint, it'll look pretty close to an S&B and still be decent glass without costing me $3k. |
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Originally Posted By Bravo42:
I think I asked before but is anyone running an a2 stock on their recce and liking it? i can't get a good cheek weld with my optic and my sopmod bravo stock and was debating putting it up for sale and getting an a2. View Quote I use a Magpul fixed MOE rifle stock on mine, primarily for improved cheek weld. I use that stock on all my scoped ARs for the same reason. With a collapsible stock, my cheek ends up on the bare buffer tube when shooting from many field positions, so a fixed is a big improvement. when using more squared-up CQ positions, my head just sits farther back on the stock. No big deal. |
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