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Posted: 1/29/2022 1:23:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Re: 277 Fury At $4 per round and some speculation that only Sig will be making the hybrid cases. This a non starter period Full stop. Can you say "Beta Max". |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:22:51 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: It'll work just fine with all brass .277 as well, plus caliber conversions to 6.5Jesus and .308pappy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Re: 277 Fury At $4 per round and some speculation that only Sig will be making the hybrid cases. This a non starter period Full stop. Can you say "Beta Max". I can only speculate, but I would assume that a 16" .308 version will be the best selling commercial variant. Although the Raptor is very interesting too. I'm still hoping for a Raptor in 8.6blk, but I'm sure I sound like a broken record at this point. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:40:15 PM EST
[#3]
I’m guessing we hear about the NGSW contract winner(s) this coming week.
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:56:37 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Time will tell. If they win the contract I highly doubt they’ll be the only one making them. @coregon Will the SLX68-MG-QD be sold separately? Not at this time. Another appealing feature to the Limited Edition rifle. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2022 12:22:59 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Not at this time. Another appealing feature to the Limited Edition rifle. Does that mean the non limited edition rifle won’t be available either? |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 12:29:35 PM EST
[#6]
Dumb question:
Is the Spear compatible with the Geissele MCX trigger? I wouldn't see why not, but who knows. The question in the Virtus thread made me think of this. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2022 3:45:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: Mr_Toyz]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: It'll work just fine with all brass .277 as well, plus caliber conversions to 6.5Jesus and .308pappy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By Mr_Toyz: Re: 277 Fury At $4 per round and some speculation that only Sig will be making the hybrid cases. This a non starter period Full stop. Can you say "Beta Max". The brass versions have about 900fps slower speed than the hybrid making the brass version all but useless IMO. The ONLY thing that makes the 277 Fury interesting is it’s Hybrid case allowing for really high speed in a 16” barrel |
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Posted: 2/2/2022 6:44:26 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Toyz: The brass versions have about 900fps slower speed than the hybrid making the brass version all but useless IMO. The ONLY thing that makes the 277 Fury interesting is it's Hybrid case allowing for really high speed in a 16" barrel  Run the bullet weight (135gr) and the velocity (2750, NOT 1750 as listed) through a bullet energy calculator and you'll get that 2267 figure they have. If you run 1750, you get a number that's way off. The numbers work out for the 24" listed, as well as for both barrel lengths in the 3-piece casing/cartridge as listed. I just think that someone fat-fingered it in. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2022 7:21:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: Mr_Toyz]
[#9]
If the brass velocities are similar to the hybrid then why did they make the hybrid? Doesn’t make sense
Also 16” barrel numbers are the numbers that make this special. Not longer |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2022 8:37:41 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Toyz: If the brass velocities are similar to the hybrid then why did they make the hybrid? Doesn’t make sense Also 16” barrel numbers are the numbers that make this special. Not longer Speculation: The PSI is not at the upper limit on the 277 fury hybrid ammo currently available. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard a good source saying that they were getting 3,000FPS out of a 13 inch barrel at one point with the 6.8. If true then the current .277 is not as hot as it could be...or were those 13" barrel numbers with a noticeably lighter bullet? |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 11:51:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: Croak]
[#11]
Lena Miculek going full auto with the 6.8 Spear:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZgBPzkqU_A/ |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2022 7:12:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: rb889]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Lena Miculek going full auto with the 6.8 Spear: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZgBPzkqU_A/ Goddamn, full gangsta lean into that sucker. Still better than the dumbass dudes twice her size that were getting rocked around 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2022 12:01:57 PM EST
[#13]
Anybody know if you'll be able to put a Spear upper on an SR-25 or similar AR-10 lower?
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Posted: 2/4/2022 12:18:17 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Anybody know if you'll be able to put a Spear upper on an SR-25 or similar AR-10 lower? Compatibility with SR25 lowers isn't a requirement for the NGSW program. |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 2:19:21 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Not at this time. Another appealing feature to the Limited Edition rifle. Well that's a downer 
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Posted: 2/4/2022 2:37:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Compatibility with SR25 lowers isn't a requirement for the NGSW program. Considering I saw an engineer back in 2014 reverse engineering the SR25 geometry to do exactly that, it's... unfortunate.... |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 2:42:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Considering I saw an engineer back in 2014 reverse engineering the SR25 geometry to do exactly that, it's... unfortunate.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Originally Posted By coregon: Compatibility with SR25 lowers isn't a requirement for the NGSW program. Considering I saw an engineer back in 2014 reverse engineering the SR25 geometry to do exactly that, it's... unfortunate.... Doesn't mean it hasn't been played with - simply saying, that compatibility isn't REQUIRED by the NGSW contract.... It may have been a req for the CSASS, since they were replacing (primarily) KAC SR25 rifles. With NGSW being an M4 "replacement", they're not factoring in other (possible) compatible weapon systems that may/may not be in all armories. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2022 8:00:57 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Doesn't mean it hasn't been played with - simply saying, that compatibility isn't REQUIRED by the NGSW contract.... It may have been a req for the CSASS, since they were replacing (primarily) KAC SR25 rifles. With NGSW being an M4 "replacement", they're not factoring in other (possible) compatible weapon systems that may/may not be in all armories. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Originally Posted By coregon: Compatibility with SR25 lowers isn't a requirement for the NGSW program. Considering I saw an engineer back in 2014 reverse engineering the SR25 geometry to do exactly that, it's... unfortunate.... Doesn't mean it hasn't been played with - simply saying, that compatibility isn't REQUIRED by the NGSW contract.... It may have been a req for the CSASS, since they were replacing (primarily) KAC SR25 rifles. With NGSW being an M4 "replacement", they're not factoring in other (possible) compatible weapon systems that may/may not be in all armories. 
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Posted: 2/5/2022 9:16:12 PM EST
[#19]
No news yet on NGSW selection though yet.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 12:21:53 PM EST
[#20]
Any news on release dates for non-special edition guns?
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Posted: 2/12/2022 12:24:49 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Any news on release dates for non-special edition guns? Would like to know as well. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 5:31:01 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Would like to know as well. Same. Take my money! 
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Posted: 2/14/2022 1:08:32 PM EST
[#23]
Some info about the NGSW cartridge options.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ngsw-apples-and-oranges-sig-sauers-277-sig-fury-vs-true-velocitys-6-8tvc/ |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:28:40 PM EST
[#24]
MCX-SPEAR First Production Run SBR in stock at Smoky Mountain Guns & Ammo as of this post.
https://www.smga.com/sig-sauer/mcx-spear-277-sig-sbr-13-2-20rd-51738 |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:06:57 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RHR: MCX-SPEAR First Production Run SBR in stock at Smoky Mountain Guns & Ammo as of this post. https://www.smga.com/sig-sauer/mcx-spear-277-sig-sbr-13-2-20rd-51738 Coolness! But I'm lusting after the RAPTOR!  
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:59:45 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RHR: MCX-SPEAR First Production Run SBR in stock at Smoky Mountain Guns & Ammo as of this post. https://www.smga.com/sig-sauer/mcx-spear-277-sig-sbr-13-2-20rd-51738 Out of stock! That was quick wonder how many they had? One ha 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:30:48 AM EST
[#27]
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/924150164
$14,275.00 |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:56:12 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryIt was on my watch list, but too rich for me.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:16:20 AM EST
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:30:28 AM EST
[#30]
Man...that is one badass looking rifle.
Hoping we'll see the full production line soon so I don't have to take a loan out to buy one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:11:22 PM EST
[#31]
I saw the Osage one, too. I think that one will go for more, as they're a better-known seller on Gunbroker.
I figured they'd sell about $15-$20k right now. Who knows how high they'll get in a few years/decades. But I want one to shoot-preferably right about now. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:22:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: uniquesnd]
[#32]
So buy SBR on gunbroker for way more due to rarity and FOMO, wait a year to receive it due to you having to wait on a Form 4. While you are waiting the “regular” model arrives and all your buddies are posting about how great it is and taking theirs shooting. All the while you are big sad as you can only look at pictures of yours, I’m going to go with a hard no.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 5:47:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: LoopyChef95]
[#33]
Has anyone here pulled apart a .277 fury bullet to inspect and measure the powder? I've been wondering how viable it is for reloading given the high chamber pressures.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 7:06:04 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniquesnd: So buy SBR on gunbroker for way more due to rarity and FOMO, wait a year to receive it due to you having to wait on a Form 4. While you are waiting the “regular” model arrives and all your buddies are posting about how great it is and taking theirs shooting. All the while you are big sad as you can only look at pictures of yours, I’m going to go with a hard no. eFile form 4's won't take a year. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2022 4:46:56 PM EST
[#35]
Yeah, Osage will sell for 20k because they say there will only be thirty. The person that wins will be pissed when they find out more than 30 will be available. Sig just posted a picture of them boxing up and shipping 50, and that’s just one inspection batch.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I saw the Osage one, too. I think that one will go for more, as they're a better-known seller on Gunbroker. I figured they'd sell about $15-$20k right now. Who knows how high they'll get in a few years/decades. But I want one to shoot-preferably right about now. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 6:18:03 PM EST
[#36]
All I know is that I want a standard release version ASAP.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:07:19 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: I’m guessing we hear about the NGSW contract winner(s) this coming week. @goloud I'm curious of who your pick is to be the winner? |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 6:06:31 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLD1980: @goloud I'm curious of who your pick is to be the winner? Since I was wrong about the announcement day, I’m not sure my predictions hold much water. But if I had to guess, the guns will go to SIG. I think the suppressor and ammo winner(s) are a tougher call. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2022 7:55:44 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Since I was wrong about the announcement day, I’m not sure my predictions hold much water. But if I had to guess, the guns will go to SIG. I think the suppressor and ammo winner(s) are a tougher call. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Originally Posted By GLD1980: @goloud I'm curious of who your pick is to be the winner? Since I was wrong about the announcement day, I’m not sure my predictions hold much water. But if I had to guess, the guns will go to SIG. I think the suppressor and ammo winner(s) are a tougher call. It's an all or nothing deal. Gun, suppressor, and ammo. Only the optics, Lake City ops, and accessories are separate contracts. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 8:04:01 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: It's an all or nothing deal. Gun, suppressor, and ammo. Only the optics, Lake City ops, and accessories are separate contracts. Not necessarily. The Army can mix and match as they wish. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:30:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Not necessarily. The Army can mix and match as they wish. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: It's an all or nothing deal. Gun, suppressor, and ammo. Only the optics, Lake City ops, and accessories are separate contracts. Not necessarily. The Army can mix and match as they wish. Really? That's interesting, I was always under the understanding that the gun with the matching ammo it was designed for and the suppressor that this combination was tuned for would be adopted as a system. Mixing and matching seems like a horrible idea. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:43:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: goloud]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Really? That's interesting, I was always under the understanding that the gun with the matching ammo it was designed for and the suppressor that this combination was tuned for would be adopted as a system. Mixing and matching seems like a horrible idea. I sat down with TrueVelocity at SHOT. They had said the Army specifically asked if their ammo could run in the other platforms. They could also do it to spread the win around to everyone and eliminate single points of failure. There’s still a chance that the army picks a single source. ETA: No one really knows, especially me. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2022 4:21:40 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Not necessarily. The Army can mix and match as they wish. I suppose the Army could mix and match, but the TV ammo required a 20 inch barrel to meet specs and the Sig Spear with a 20 inch barrel would be one heavy hog. |
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Posted: 2/27/2022 7:37:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxMulder: Yeah, Osage will sell for 20k because they say there will only be thirty. The person that wins will be pissed when they find out more than 30 will be available. Sig just posted a picture of them boxing up and shipping 50, and that's just one inspection batch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxMulder: Yeah, Osage will sell for 20k because they say there will only be thirty. The person that wins will be pissed when they find out more than 30 will be available. Sig just posted a picture of them boxing up and shipping 50, and that's just one inspection batch. Originally Posted By JAG2955: I saw the Osage one, too. I think that one will go for more, as they're a better-known seller on Gunbroker. I figured they'd sell about $15-$20k right now. Who knows how high they'll get in a few years/decades. But I want one to shoot-preferably right about now. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:26:06 AM EST
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Quote History$28,025 for the SPEAR from Osage!  |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 11:51:07 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: $28,025 for the SPEAR from Osage! https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f603117ca2297dd484c8e353a4ee9ae/tenor.gif?itemid=9495957 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f603117ca2297dd484c8e353a4ee9ae/tenor.gif?itemid=9495957 I dont remember who all, but I told several of yall (and others) that some of these guns were going to hit $25k and I was told I was crazy. |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:25:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: I dont remember who all, but I told several of yall (and others) that some of these guns were going to hit $25k and I was told I was crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By JAG2955: https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f603117ca2297dd484c8e353a4ee9ae/tenor.gif?itemid=9495957 I dont remember who all, but I told several of yall (and others) that some of these guns were going to hit $25k and I was told I was crazy. Want to make $50 before you have to sell it at a loss? (and fucking pics, man) |
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Posted: 2/28/2022 9:49:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cops66]
[#48]
I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle
(let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:50:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: SMFdarkangel]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 8:16:28 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. |
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