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I have told both my daughters to report bullying and if it doesn't stop put the bully down with a sucker punch. The sucker punch was one of the best thing in learned in school. View Quote My daughter is about to enter middle school and she is fully aware that she will not be in trouble with me or Mr. Bubbles for defending herself. |
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. And the kid's parents probably need bothered to ever try to have a conversation with her. Asking how are things going? Telling her not to worry about what other people who a re morons say about her. I'm not that old but I don't remember ever hearing about kids offing themselves for bullying. But they they didn't get expelled or legal charges thrown at them if there was a little fisticuffs either. |
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And the kid's parents probably need bothered to ever try to have a conversation with her. Asking how are things going? Telling her not to worry about what other people who a re morons say about her. I'm not that old but I don't remember ever hearing about kids offing themselves for bullying. But they they didn't get expelled or legal charges thrown at them if there was a little fisticuffs either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. And the kid's parents probably need bothered to ever try to have a conversation with her. Asking how are things going? Telling her not to worry about what other people who a re morons say about her. I'm not that old but I don't remember ever hearing about kids offing themselves for bullying. But they they didn't get expelled or legal charges thrown at them if there was a little fisticuffs either. Assuming the kid's parents talked to her and told here the "sticks and stones" story, do you really believe that makes everything better for her when she has to go back to school and the tormenting still occurs? |
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First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. What total liberal bullshit. There has always been bullies, but suddenly today it's a cause celeb. What you do when you're bullied is to have enough gumption to not let it bother you. Rise above it. Don't be a pussy. Anyone who kills themself because of being bullied is an unstable person with no self-confidence in the first place. |
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Terrible that this girl with a potential long, good life felt it necessary to take her own life. I see much of this as a problem with our current society. Kids are taught not to fight back and are punished when they do. They are taught to be weak and depend on others, who many times are not there to protect them.
30 years ago when I was 13, things definitely weren't perfect. However, when the 16 year old school bully that was still in 7th grade because of multiple expulsions decided it was my turn to take a beating, things didn't work out that well. Even though I didn't have any training how to fight, I was a soccer player playing on a competitive team in an age group above mine. One low outside kick to the thigh when he came at me was all it took. Dropped him right there and he couldn't walk for a couple days. Of course, I was called into the office to talk to the principal, but he said that it was just because policy required me to be spoken to since I got in a fight. Then he thanked me for putting the bully in his place. The bully never beat up anyone else during the remainder of that year or the next. He actually graduated from middle school. His family moved after that, so I don't know how is life ended up though. In today's society, I would have probably been expelled or even arrested considering he had to go to the hospital and was on crutches for a few days after that. I find it ridiculous that things have changed so much in just a few decades. |
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Yeah right, I was bullied for a couple of years and then beat the crap out of the guy. Guess what? No more bullying from anybody. In this case the girl told a friend she had planned to commit suicide week before, who was responsible for the intervention that never happened? Oh, and mine son was at Santana High School when Andy Williams shot 15 and killed 2. His lawyers argued he was bullied, but he wasn't and in fact a lot of people had reached out to him with offers of help. Like the girl, Andy told others of his plan, but it wasn't followed up on. It's only been this coddled generation of kids that commit suicide or criminal acts when "bullied". They get trophies for just participating, safe spaces for when they're hurt and have no idea about the real world. Spanking is child abuse and even a harsh word is emotional abuse. This is why we have man-buns and men who don't know how to change a tire or drive a stick. Hell, there was just a news story about a 16 year old male transgendered kid who describe how difficult his period was. Society has allowed liberal politics and "feel good" psychiatry to fuck our kids up. This is a result of that, not bullying. |
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Quoted: this is what drives the suicides. Back in the day, bullies were taken care of. Now you get in trouble for standing up for yourself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Wrong. Coddling kids and zero tolerance does more damage. Bullies have been around since Goliath took one in the face. It's a no different now. Suicide has been around forever, too. This isn't some new phenomenon. this is what drives the suicides. Back in the day, bullies were taken care of. Now you get in trouble for standing up for yourself. |
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arf GD wins again Probably the girl suffered from depression and the bullying was the final push, the final layer of sadness and pain that made her feel she needed to end her life. Sometimes a 13 year old girl lacks the social skills and pain tolerance that we take for granted because she's a child. Something that wouldn't bother you is something that makes life intolerable for her. Why do you need that explained to you? I wrote the above because I'm a COMMIE. |
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IMO, the cops screwed up in this case by not getting the victim's student file and the incident report on the cafeteria fight. They should have pushed the investigation farther and contacted the bullies' parents. The school system helped cover it up too. The bullies and their parents need to be outed.
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I have told both my daughters to report bullying and if it doesn't stop put the bully down with a sucker punch. The sucker punch was one of the best thing in learned in school. My daughter is about to enter middle school and she is fully aware that she will not be in trouble with me or Mr. Bubbles for defending herself. Mine are in elementary but we have had the same talk. Here's a funny story. We were at a playground and a boy was grabbing all the girls. My daughters told me he wouldnt stop. His mother didn't seem interested in stopping him so I told my girls tell him one more time and then make him stop. I few minutes later I heard my oldest yell no followed by the little boy crying. He stopped. |
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At 13 she should've known better. Shame on her parents for not teaching her to stand up for herself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. How are they going to teach her to stand up for herself? They send her to school. School is the place that fundamentally undermines the individual and family, training youth to submit to an unseen, arbitrary authority figure who determines the long-term outcome of your lot in life. Stay in the class where we say you belong, not where your potential can take you. Nothing will really be done if you report bullying, other than more bullying. Bullies are critical to enforcing the overall relationship that school has with human beings. They are a simple representation of how one is to be treated in society under the Prussian template that school was built on in the early 1800s. |
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When I was 13 I was bullied, then I kicked him in the face. Then he stopped being an asshole, and we were friends. View Quote I kicked them in the stomach, then threw his cousin into a mudhole behind the backstop. They still didn't like me, but knew that if they wanted some, they could come get more at any time. |
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Quoted: LOL arf GD wins again Probably the girl suffered from depression and the bullying was the final push, the final layer of sadness and pain that made her feel she needed to end her life. Sometimes a 13 year old girl lacks the social skills and pain tolerance that we take for granted because she's a child. Something that wouldn't bother you is something that makes life intolerable for her. Why do you need that explained to you? I wrote the above because I'm a COMMIE. View Quote Who knew 13 year old girls don't apply logic to their social interactions? |
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. back in the day you were expected to stand up for yourself. Today YOU get punished for doing so. This. I stood up to a shitbag that had been fucking with me for years and was given the option to "move or get kicked out" afterwards. Turns out, the "move" option was only there because my mom worked at the school. If she hadn't, I would've been escorted off the grounds that day by the local PD. Fucked up part is that the shitbag is now a coyote just like his shitbag illegal old man Side note (as said before), kids are fucking jackals. If I ever have a kid and I found put he/she was a bully, I'd beat the living shit out of them. |
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Ah, bullying. Nothing brings out the PTA idiots quite like bullying.
Like every major issue in schools, everyone wants to talk about it, and nobody wants to actually do anything. Not that they understand what bullying is anyhow. Real bullying is pretty similar to rape, and I'm not exaggerating here. It's psychological dominance and degradation. The victim is systematically made to feel helpless and afraid. They're isolated, abused, and abandoned. And none of these administrator douches or PTA hand-wringers even has the first clue what it is, much less what to do about it. Y'all seen any of the "no bullying zone" signs around? I shit you not, they exist. Because of course they do. Because hanging signs is all these weak people know how to do. And then the next kid will die over this shit, and they'll all stand around with tears in their eyes and say how they had no idea... |
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Not that they understand what bullying is anyhow. Real bullying is pretty similar to rape, and I'm not exaggerating here. It's psychological dominance and degradation. The victim is systematically made to feel helpless and afraid. They're isolated, abused, and abandoned. View Quote That is a brilliant analogy. But you're part of the cisgendered patriarchy so you're wrong. |
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Quoted: Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. |
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Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. There is the problem. Bullying has and always will exist. It's life. Life is not fair. Life is hard. We are doing a HUGE disservice to our children by teaching them "violence is never the answer". Who ever said "violence is never the answer" just didn't ask the right question. Our children are taught to "look away" and "don't get involved" or worse...."go tell a teacher.....who actually won't do jack shit" Bullying is best met with force applied at the proper time and place. |
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I was bullied a lot when I was a kid...my dad was the town cop and the town drunk lived a couple of blocks away. His kids were older and bigger than me. My dad would arrest the town drunk on Saturday night and his kids would come to beat me up on Monday morning on the way to school.
Bullying taught me to fight dirty...and win. Bullying taught me to pick up a 2x4 and hit the bully with it so hard it sent him to the hospital. I learned the bones "ulna" and "radius", because apparently I broke both of his right ones. He had to wear a cast on his arm the rest of the year...and the whole damn school knew he had it coming and more importantly WHO did it to him. I never had any suicidal thoughts. |
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When I was 13 I was bullied, then I kicked him in the face. Then he stopped being an asshole, and we were friends. I kicked them in the stomach, then threw his cousin into a mudhole behind the backstop. They still didn't like me, but knew that if they wanted some, they could come get more at any time. 6th grade, As I was walking down a 20ft granite set of stairs. My bully walked up behind me and knocked my books out of my hands and down the stairs, causing my note book to exploded as it bounce down the steps. I turned around to see him laughing so hard he was bent over on the very top step. So I grabbed the back of his coat and ran down the stairs with him in tow. He was sliding face first all the way down. He was a bloody mess. I had to go to the office. He got suspended I got a note back to class. |
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As others have pointed out its an inability to teach and/or let kids resolve these conflicts themselves. It's also this sense of 'victim hood' that permeates our society combined with a society that expects someone else to take care of all of our problems for us.
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Feelz all up in here. Her parental figures failed her, end of story. |
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Bullying is the new media hysteria, I don't recall anyone in the media giving a shit when I was "bullied".
Although, I guess I didn't give a shit either, which wouldn't you know it.... was the solution to the bullying problem in the first place. It's always a tragedy when a young kid kills themselves but stopping "bullying" will not stop child suicides. |
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Quoted: I was bullied at that age, I wonder why Im still around? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. I was bullied at that age, I wonder why Im still around? So was I. But when I got home it stopped. Today, it doesn't. |
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Quoted: It's still the persons choice to suicide out. I'm not even going to say that suicide is always the worst choice possible, though it is almost always a bad choice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. I may be wasting my time with this, but you do realize that not all choices are made rationally, right? That these things don't happen in a vacuum? That a 13 year old doesn't make decisions the way that an adult does? |
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Quoted: Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. Also, this. |
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This. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. Concur. A thirteen year old should not be put into a catch-22 position. If a school prohibits a kid from defending him/herself, then the school assumes the duty for that thirteen year old's safety. |
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I had a problem with bullying when I got to a new high school. One broken plate glass window and seriously fucked up metal trash can solved that problem for the rest of my time there. The vice-principle even gave me a week's vacation!
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Quoted: We all hold responsibility for our decisions, whether those decisions were rational decisions or not. I'm not saying that bullying is ok, but a person who commits suicide made their decision and acted on it. No one else holds blame. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SNIP I may be wasting my time with this, but you do realize that not all choices are made rationally, right? That these things don't happen in a vacuum? That a 13 year old doesn't make decisions the way that an adult does? One can acknowledge contributing factors without assigning blame to them. Again, these things don't happen in a vacuum. |
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Quoted: One can acknowledge contributing factors without assigning blame to them. Again, these things don't happen in a vacuum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SNIP I may be wasting my time with this, but you do realize that not all choices are made rationally, right? That these things don't happen in a vacuum? That a 13 year old doesn't make decisions the way that an adult does? One can acknowledge contributing factors without assigning blame to them. Again, these things don't happen in a vacuum. |
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Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. This right here. And even fighting back might not end the situation, but only escalate it. |
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First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. bullies have to be dealt with on day 1. ie first occurrence, you respond, so fast, swift and fierce that the bully gets the message to move on to softer targets. no one should be subject to torment like that. the 0 tolerance shit is part of the problem. kids are now afraid of standing up for themselves. |
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How are they going to teach her to stand up for herself? They send her to school. School is the place that fundamentally undermines the individual and family, training youth to submit to an unseen, arbitrary authority figure who determines the long-term outcome of your lot in life. Stay in the class where we say you belong, not where your potential can take you. Nothing will really be done if you report bullying, other than more bullying. Bullies are critical to enforcing the overall relationship that school has with human beings. They are a simple representation of how one is to be treated in society under the Prussian template that school was built on in the early 1800s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. How are they going to teach her to stand up for herself? They send her to school. School is the place that fundamentally undermines the individual and family, training youth to submit to an unseen, arbitrary authority figure who determines the long-term outcome of your lot in life. Stay in the class where we say you belong, not where your potential can take you. Nothing will really be done if you report bullying, other than more bullying. Bullies are critical to enforcing the overall relationship that school has with human beings. They are a simple representation of how one is to be treated in society under the Prussian template that school was built on in the early 1800s. Work outside of the school then? Nothing stops a bully quite like a scrap 2x4 thrown at him as he's riding his bike after school. A few punches and kicks later and his bike thrown at him, I wasn't fucked with by anyone in school or the neighborhood. Granted that was in 1998 and in military housing, so it was a viable option at the time. Last year, my sister just went into a scathing, expletive, verbal curb-stomp that had the entire music studio completely hushed. Fixed that bully. |
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Quoted: How does that change anything. She took actions that deliberately ended her own life. It was a poor choice, she obviously needed help from someone else. But in the end, it's on her. It's unfortunate her parents/guardians weren't aware of the issue and then stepped in to get her help. It's still on her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. |
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I met a family friend of her's at the school board meeting where all of the local Chinese came out to pitch a fit for her. If her parents were anything like this guy (looked like stereotypical white trash and sounded a bit buzzed) I would guess she doesn't get moral support at home. It can't help that she's adopted either.
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My town. I know that family. I went to that school many years ago... Actually, that building was my Sr. High school back then.
This is a sad situation. The principal from that school just resigned in the last week or so. The Principal went to the families home after her death, with the police, demanded to be let into their home and tried to intimidate the family to stop saying it was over bullying... bullying the parents of the bullied child. Sad situation. |
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I hope that family wins a huge settlement against that school district.
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