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The double D’s are for Double Dose of Destructive Doom. |
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Trust me, I used to be with the Government
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Either the ammo is where all the paperwork lies or my gun budget is about to take a hit. I've wondered for a while about the non-fixed ammo clause for DD's was worth exploring, though not with the current ATF.
The case straight from harborfreight and what looks like a ziptie holding the round together makes me both nervous and intrigued. |
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Well, how's the launcher not a DD?
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Originally Posted By _Matt_: Is this why all the guntubers have been shooting rpgs lately? View Quote lol Yes, except Brandon Herrera. They just paid Ride Tanks for the ability to shoot real factory RPG 7 trainer grenades. Edit: That said, this might take an interesting turn, the round used in that incident that ended up exploding Adam from Ballistic Highspeed was from them, tho not sure who the launcher belonged to, or who did the work on it. Might lead to legal issues, depending how Adam feels going forward. |
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Originally Posted By Wammel: Either the ammo is where all the paperwork lies or my gun budget is about to take a hit. I've wondered for a while about the non-fixed ammo clause for DD's was worth exploring, though not with the current ATF. The case straight from harborfreight and what looks like a ziptie holding the round together makes me both nervous and intrigued. View Quote I too was amused by the Harbor Freight connection. |
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I would love to know more. My guess is that it is incompatible with RPG ammo for existing models considered DDs and uses non-fixed ammunition proprietary to this model and that if desired, ammo that is itself a DD can be had, but the launcher is not in and of itself a DD.
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The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion for equality made vain the hope for freedom.
-Lord Acton |
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Look, @Ben
I just got a surplus Hmmwv, goddamned it. Why are you making this known now? Now I'm going to have to redirect funds to getting one and trying to get them written into the rule set of Run and Gun matches down here. Killing me, man. |
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To those who have gone before us. May we earn what they have given.
"We didn't even get the good communism with gulags and death squads. We got the gay communism with trannys and women's basketball." - Agilt |
After the video of that YouTuber gunguy blowing himself up, I’ll pass for now.
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Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher.
You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? |
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Death to quislings.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? View Quote Good option for CA. DDs here are much easier to get than most other NFA stuff but something like this would likely still require the lower-level DD permit. You can buy this until you meet the conditions for the permit (storage related) and get one and then go for the stamp and convert it. Also avoids needing an SOT for the transfer, as very, very few of the SOTs in CA will deal with ordinary folk. |
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The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion for equality made vain the hope for freedom.
-Lord Acton |
Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? View Quote Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. |
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Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea!
Twitter/Instagram: benunsuppressed https://americanpioneercorps.org |
Originally Posted By Ben: Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. |
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The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion for equality made vain the hope for freedom.
-Lord Acton |
Originally Posted By bigstick61: Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. |
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Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea!
Twitter/Instagram: benunsuppressed https://americanpioneercorps.org |
Originally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. View Quote Interesting. 6-pdrs used a 3.67" ball which in the case of Shrapnel/case shot would be filled with iron balls outside of the explosive center. A lot of the AP rifle grenades are narrower, but longer than a 40mm grenade (HEDP are usually close in diameter, though). I wonder if something cool could be made for launching from rifles with 22mm spigots. I also wonder what kind of penetrating warhead, if any, is possible with 1/4 oz. |
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The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion for equality made vain the hope for freedom.
-Lord Acton |
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So a warhead could be filled with Tannerite, and the tip of the warhead could have a backwards facing blasting cap, so the impact of the warhead against anything would set-off the blasting cap, daisy-chaining the Tannerite
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Can we get PSA to mass produce this, maybe get them down to like $600?
Also, can this workaround be applied to under barrel grenade launchers? A GP25 and M203 would make life worth living. |
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Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young
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Neat
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Gang rape is democracy in action.
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Remorse is for the dead
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Originally Posted By burnka871: ATF should be a fucking convenience store. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By Shazbat: These should be in vending machines at Buc-ees ATF should be a fucking convenience store. What if I told you, it already is? |
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So no updates since 7 this morning?
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"Somewhere in the midst of my coke-fueled orgy I decide life wasn't so bad after all."
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Bump for interest and visibility. Looking forward to video of it not blowing up
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Lightning from the Sky, Thunder from the Sea!
Twitter/Instagram: benunsuppressed https://americanpioneercorps.org |
Critical thinking is dead.
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Ugh, in for more shit I don’t need but will probably buy. I just paid a credit card off too.
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Originally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. View Quote ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… |
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Avatar stolen from Ranger Up.
“ If you rat on the Parade of Hope, you'll be lucky to find your toenails. These guys are the roughest of all the charities.” |
Originally Posted By Ben: That was put on hold when I was hospitalized repeatedly the last couple months. Spring that project takes back off. This post is someone else being way more awesome than me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Hopscotch: I would like that. How goes it on getting the MG approved? That was put on hold when I was hospitalized repeatedly the last couple months. Spring that project takes back off. This post is someone else being way more awesome than me. Well that’s quite a testament to their character. |
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I carry, because I cherish life.
Team Ranstad |
I suggest we trade a question mark in for a maybe.
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Originally Posted By ParityError: ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ParityError: Originally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… Let them interpret it all they want, I intend to use it only for sporting purposes. |
WARNING-this post contains words or thoughts that may at some point be discovered by the state of California to cause cancer.
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In, and hoping some of this technology/legal maneuvering can be used for my 81mm mortar.
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so in on this one. old school tag
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Why not an rpg7 instead of the 2? More out there
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
I have an RPG 2. I need ammo.
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“America is a whorehouse where the revolutionary ideals of your forefathers are corrupted and sold in alleys by vendors of capitalism.”
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Black powder, muzzleloading, non fixed ammo?
Edit: yea, I think this is it (if not it should be). Have the "booster" separated from the "warhead". Load booster, load warhead. RPG2 boosters are black powder. You basically have a smooth bore muzzleloading cannon, same legality as a bowling ball mortar. |
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Death to quislings.
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Nice!
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Suck it blankskins, your pink flesh is an invite to hot burning metal rape - RustedAce
I <3 Essex Girls! |
Tag.
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Ask the Indians (casino, not curry) if immigration laws are important.
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"I assure you, Mr. Mowry, that I am quite serious when I ask you to oblige by walking bow-legged."
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never underestimate the stupidity of other people
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in. I'm scared of explosives but all for sticking it to the ATF. Go Ben go!
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"every exercise is a low back exercise if you do it wrong enough"
@MacManus |
I want to know more about the 40mm!
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I saw that dude get blown up by a hold my beer RPG and decided I am not competent to judge the safety of such devices.
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“You read too many books”-ATF agent
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