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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:19:07 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted: In before 'BBC is Putin propaganda.' Quoted: In before it's claimed that the BBC and New York Times are russian propaganda. The numbers they give - 70k killed, 190k wounded - are reasonable. Also, conducting an offensive will increase losses. I have not problem with these figures, as they make sense given the documented losses and other indirect sources. (where the Russian claim of 50K casualties in a month absolutely fails the sniff test). |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad but they are willing to lay down their lives to save their country from Russia. We should support them. Ya know you are free to send all your money to them , I just don’t like your government forcing me at gun point to send mine. Ukraine is Europes problem . NOT THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ! |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:09:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At some point they are gonna run out of people and or resources. No question, if it comes down to a matter of number of men, Ukraine loses that. It's not there yet, hopefully it won't get there, but yeah they are outnumbered. Who knows the truth about internal Russian politics? Putin is the unquestionable dictator of Russia, but, there are powerful oligarchs that he has to at least consider. Maybe one of those is going to get sick of not being able to visit his apartment in London? Maybe one arranges to have a bullet inserted into the back of Putins head? Lots of shit to still play out. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:12:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, sure. But they already have with the American people. It's why the majority of Americans do not support continued aid for Ukraine and continued support has become a net negative for American politicians. Sorry this is happening to you... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have “drawn a line”? What if they cross it? What then? Personally, sure. But they already have with the American people. It's why the majority of Americans do not support continued aid for Ukraine and continued support has become a net negative for American politicians. Sorry this is happening to you... To me? lol, no. I’m not the one making public declarations of my personal “lines” being crossed. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:22:51 AM EDT
[#5]
I am always looking for information on the status of the war and real numbers
This is information from statements made and counts from research Mediazona. They track Russian online posts from those who lost someone. At this point they show 54,000 kia and 120k who are permanently unable to return to duty. Numbers do not include Wagner, DPR, LPR or Chechen casualties Mediazona Russian dead and wounded Zelensky stated that Ukraine was losing 200-300/day. I think that was around the battle in Bakhmut. At 200/day that would be around 109k since the war started The EU president said the Ukrainians have 100k kia last year during a speech. That part was deleted in a short time but is still a number. Recently all of the Ukrainians in charge of recruiting were fired for corruption. Ukraine stated that they need 10k new peope a month to maintain their forces. That indicates they are losing somewhere around 2500/week which is just over 300/day. Thats pretty much in line with Zelenskis statement Cuomo had an interview, last year, with 16 and 17 year old Ukrainians who were training for the front. You don't send people that young unless you are short of fighting age men. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:23:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, bbc is literally Russian poon... ...rating this one as troll 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:26:39 AM EDT
[#7]
Yes but the delicious part is that the number of dying Russians is probably twice that due to NATO asset intelligence.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty ridiculous. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. We may be supplying them with intelligence, but it's hard to counter 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, or are you going to try and tell me artillery doesn't matter much any more? Tanks on either side are not nearly as meaningful as people thought they would be. They seem to be drone, landmine, ground anti-tank targets mostly in this conflict. They are being used in ground support like the Brits started out doing in WW1. How effective that is even seems questionable. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We may be supplying them with intelligence, but it's hard to counter 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, or are you going to try and tell me artillery doesn't matter much any more? Tanks on either side are not nearly as meaningful as people thought they would be. They seem to be drone, landmine, ground anti-tank targets mostly in this conflict. They are being used in ground support like the Brits started out doing in WW1. How effective that is even seems questionable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's pretty ridiculous. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. We may be supplying them with intelligence, but it's hard to counter 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, or are you going to try and tell me artillery doesn't matter much any more? Tanks on either side are not nearly as meaningful as people thought they would be. They seem to be drone, landmine, ground anti-tank targets mostly in this conflict. They are being used in ground support like the Brits started out doing in WW1. How effective that is even seems questionable. Prior to Desert Storm, the Iraqi Army had more artillery, and much of it outranged American Artillery. It’s not the number of tubes you have, it’s your ability to consummate the kill chain that maters. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:38:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am always looking for information on the status of the war and real numbers This is information from statements made and counts from research Mediazona. They track online posts from those who lost someone. At this point they show 54,000 kia and 120k who are permanently unable to return to duty. Mediazona Russian dead and wounded Zelensky stated that Ukraine was losing 200-300/day. I think that was around the battle in Bakhmut. At 200/day that would be around 109k since the war started The EU president said the Ukrainians have 100k kia last year during a speech. That part was deleted in a short time but is still a number. Recently all of the Ukrainians in charge of recruiting were fired for corruption. Ukraine stated that they need 10k new peope a month to maintain their forces. That indicates they are losing somewhere around 2500/week which is just over 300/day. Cuomo had an interview, last year, with 16 and 17 year old Ukrainians who were training for the front. You don't send people that young unless you are short of fighting age men. Those mediazonia numbers are not accurate, they used social media and newspaper announcements to gather 28962 of those confirmed dead and THEN they look at Russian probate records to see new inheritance cases opened, and that's only from a data base of 11 million. Russians don't have a lot to give away in inheritance in my opinion and that doesn't even mean someone died in combat either so it's safe to say going off new inheritance cases opened in Russia doesn't amount to anything accurate and especially from a probate database of only 11 million |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you get the idea Putin wanted all of Ukraine? Oh I don't know, maybe all the armored columns and paratroopers that were sent to Ukraine's capital? Or we they just stopping in for some McDonald's? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:54:35 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryIn this thread we meet the morons who don't understand that we should likely support the people fighting one of our biggest enemies. Tards. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:54:55 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian victory declaration on February 26th, 2022 stating "Ukraine has returned to Russia". Also: Putin's essay called "The historical unity of Ukraine and Russia". Makes you wonder, huh? Actually no, it does not because it makes no sense for him to do so. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:55:46 AM EDT
[#14]
Wait till Covid part 2 hits em!
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:59:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JDAMing camel jockeys ain't really an achievment....sorry to burst the bubble... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's how offensive actions against static fortifications work when you can't JDAM anything that moves. Sucks for everyone involved. JDAMing camel jockeys ain't really an achievment....sorry to burst the bubble... Did your mother drop you as an infant? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:01:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prior to Desert Storm, the Iraqi Army had more artillery, and much of it outranged American Artillery. It’s not the number of tubes you have, it’s your ability to consummate the kill chain that maters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's pretty ridiculous. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. We may be supplying them with intelligence, but it's hard to counter 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, or are you going to try and tell me artillery doesn't matter much any more? Tanks on either side are not nearly as meaningful as people thought they would be. They seem to be drone, landmine, ground anti-tank targets mostly in this conflict. They are being used in ground support like the Brits started out doing in WW1. How effective that is even seems questionable. Prior to Desert Storm, the Iraqi Army had more artillery, and much of it outranged American Artillery. It’s not the number of tubes you have, it’s your ability to consummate the kill chain that maters. The US had the advantage of air superiority, which makes it completely irrelevant to this conflict as neither side has managed to control the airspace. This war is therefore forced to drag out on the ground. Western tech can certainly help tip the scales in their favor, but it's hard to overcome the disparity between the two. This conflict will drag on until Russia has decided Ukraine is simply too expensive to occupy. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:20:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US had the advantage of air superiority, which makes it completely irrelevant to this conflict as neither side has managed to control the airspace. This war is therefore forced to drag out on the ground. Western tech can certainly help tip the scales in their favor, but it's hard to overcome the disparity between the two. This conflict will drag on until Russia has decided Ukraine is simply too expensive to occupy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's pretty ridiculous. Ukraine has the benefit of exterior intelligence. I could see Ukraine and Russia having similar losses, but my guess is Russia's losses are a little worse because good intel drives superior targeting. We may be supplying them with intelligence, but it's hard to counter 8 to 1 advantage in artillery, or are you going to try and tell me artillery doesn't matter much any more? Tanks on either side are not nearly as meaningful as people thought they would be. They seem to be drone, landmine, ground anti-tank targets mostly in this conflict. They are being used in ground support like the Brits started out doing in WW1. How effective that is even seems questionable. Prior to Desert Storm, the Iraqi Army had more artillery, and much of it outranged American Artillery. It’s not the number of tubes you have, it’s your ability to consummate the kill chain that maters. The US had the advantage of air superiority, which makes it completely irrelevant to this conflict as neither side has managed to control the airspace. This war is therefore forced to drag out on the ground. Western tech can certainly help tip the scales in their favor, but it's hard to overcome the disparity between the two. This conflict will drag on until Russia has decided Ukraine is simply too expensive to occupy. What does air actually provide? for the most part it’s precision fires, and sensing. Since the democratization of ISR and precision fires via UAS, air superiority is really kind of a term of art and not what it use to be when there were only really manned aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:22:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually no, it does not because it makes no sense for him to do so. Why would he send his troops into the capital if he wasn’t trying to take the entire country? 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:23:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Russia losses at 40K? I call BS on that one. Massive BS. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:47:18 AM EDT
[#20]
Damn, I wanted to say “IN before @fadedsun”
But he is too fast when it comes to defending ukie |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:03:08 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would he send his troops into the capital if he wasn’t trying to take the entire country? Perhaps to show that he could if he so wanted. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:11:17 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Send more money so the American industrial war machine can order new equipment, send more profits to gov contractors, give more money to PACs and lobbyists to give to politicians, who then vote to send more money. One big laundering circle jerk in which everyone but you, me, and the Russian and Ukranian soldier are getting rich. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Definitely Russian propaganda. But also real and it means we need to send more money. Yep. Send more money so the American industrial war machine can order new equipment, send more profits to gov contractors, give more money to PACs and lobbyists to give to politicians, who then vote to send more money. One big laundering circle jerk in which everyone but you, me, and the Russian and Ukranian soldier are getting rich.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:12:18 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has 40k Russians alone probably in their morgues awaiting transfer back, much less 40k total Russian dead. Macgregor is an absolute moron about this war and not a single person has been able to prove him right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. Ukraine has 40k Russians alone probably in their morgues awaiting transfer back, much less 40k total Russian dead. Macgregor is an absolute moron about this war and not a single person has been able to prove him right. What are the ukraine kia numbers? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:13:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm having trouble connecting to Twitter (X) right now but watch Tucker's interview with the general when he talks about Ukraine's losses. I don't know the guy well but he puts Ukraine losses at 400,000 and Russia around 40,000 IIRC. I watched that and would take it with a grain of salt. Hes certainly pushing a certain talking point. Is it outside the realm of possibilities? probably not but im not putting money on any one with a very specific talking point. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:14:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, about 700,000 left up front. The 60,000 was after the mobilization was announced. But don't tell me, you literally have to convince the Russians of this. Not the MoD, of course. Actual Russians. They have no interest in this war, and national leadership knows it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Russia's_population_density_by_region.jpg See how far down Moscow and St Petersburg are, which also happens to be in the tiny part of the country that's actually densely populated? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/MobilizationByOblast_PNG-2937068.png https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/10/21/where-are-russias-newest-soldiers-coming-from The ethnic minorities from flyover oblasts have been shouldering the weight of the war, and some of them know it. Chechnya and Ingushetia haven't contributed much, because everything Putin gets out of them has to be essentially paid for, and both regions are not universally happy about being a member of the RF. IntelBrief: Trouble Brewing on Russia's Periphery https://theworld.org/stories/2023-05-22/ethnic-minorities-russia-are-campaigning-breakup-country https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/25/russia-putin-is-using-ethnic-minorities-to-fight-in-ukraine https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/30/population-decline-in-russias-small-indigenous-groups-continues-report-a80089 Chechen activist, critic of Ramzan Kadyrov Mansur Movlaev detained in Kyrgyzstan https://svodka.akipress.org/news:1972017 "After a serious illness, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Relations, National Policy, Press and Information of the region, Vakha Bekov, died suddenly," https://tass.ru/obschestvo/18599733 Anyone saying this is a done deal is missing out on the real-time show of the century. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. 60,000 Russians, out of a population of 140 million, left the country? Oh my! Whatever will they do? Roughly 1/7 of Ukraine's pre-war population -- six million Ukrainians, including an estimated 600,000 Ukrainian men -- have fled the country . And despite claims to the contrary, a lot of them are military-aged males who don't want to fight. Ukraine needs to end this soon, because the math isn't in their favor -- no matter how many wunderwaffen NATO sends them. No, about 700,000 left up front. The 60,000 was after the mobilization was announced. But don't tell me, you literally have to convince the Russians of this. Not the MoD, of course. Actual Russians. They have no interest in this war, and national leadership knows it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Russia's_population_density_by_region.jpg See how far down Moscow and St Petersburg are, which also happens to be in the tiny part of the country that's actually densely populated? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/MobilizationByOblast_PNG-2937068.png https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/10/21/where-are-russias-newest-soldiers-coming-from The ethnic minorities from flyover oblasts have been shouldering the weight of the war, and some of them know it. Chechnya and Ingushetia haven't contributed much, because everything Putin gets out of them has to be essentially paid for, and both regions are not universally happy about being a member of the RF. IntelBrief: Trouble Brewing on Russia's Periphery https://theworld.org/stories/2023-05-22/ethnic-minorities-russia-are-campaigning-breakup-country https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/25/russia-putin-is-using-ethnic-minorities-to-fight-in-ukraine https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/30/population-decline-in-russias-small-indigenous-groups-continues-report-a80089 Chechen activist, critic of Ramzan Kadyrov Mansur Movlaev detained in Kyrgyzstan https://svodka.akipress.org/news:1972017 "After a serious illness, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Relations, National Policy, Press and Information of the region, Vakha Bekov, died suddenly," https://tass.ru/obschestvo/18599733 Anyone saying this is a done deal is missing out on the real-time show of the century. If 700,000 men leave a country of 144 million because they don't want to fight, that can be a problem for that country. The US had a population of about 200 million during Viet Nam, and some 570,000 Americans left the country or simply refused to comply or show up. It caused some problems but we were still able to fill the ranks. If 600,000 men leave a country of 42 million because they don't want to fight, that's a disaster for that country. And ethnic minorities in Ukraine aren't really excited about the war, either; ethnic Hungarians aren't too fond of the Kiev regime . However, you are correct in saying that this war is nowhere near ending. It will drag on until Ukraine collapses out of sheer exhaustion, or NATO decides to jump in to save face. The idea this will be over quickly if we just give Ukraine another new weapons system is proven wrong every day. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:15:25 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To you maybe. Ukrainian claims seem to be (at least 50%) backed up by videos posted line. I’ve probably seen tens of thousands of Russian lives ended, and I don’t feel bad, they were forced by Putin to fight this war of aggression. Tanks blown apart with crew dying as they crawl out of the burning wreck, convict conscripts killed by a drone drop onto their privates, not my problem! One person started this war and he is the only person that can end it whenever he wants. It seems incredibly unhealthy to layabout watching death videos numbering in the tens of thousands. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:18:30 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rate this one a troll since Ukraine is defeating Russia by brutalizing minefields with thier stomping feet. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:24:37 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems incredibly unhealthy to layabout watching death videos numbering in the tens of thousands. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To you maybe. Ukrainian claims seem to be (at least 50%) backed up by videos posted line. I’ve probably seen tens of thousands of Russian lives ended, and I don’t feel bad, they were forced by Putin to fight this war of aggression. Tanks blown apart with crew dying as they crawl out of the burning wreck, convict conscripts killed by a drone drop onto their privates, not my problem! One person started this war and he is the only person that can end it whenever he wants. It seems incredibly unhealthy to layabout watching death videos numbering in the tens of thousands. I was thinking the same. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:27:05 AM EDT
[#29]
Let every adult puke die
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:49:20 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None of what you posted changes what I said. If 700,000 men leave a country of 144 million because they don't want to fight, that can be a problem for that country. The US had a population of about 200 million during Viet Nam, and some 570,000 Americans left the country or simply refused to comply or show up. It caused some problems but we were still able to fill the ranks. If 600,000 men leave a country of 42 million because they don't want to fight, that's a disaster for that country. And ethnic minorities in Ukraine aren't really excited about the war, either; ethnic Hungarians aren't too fond of the Kiev regime . However, you are correct in saying that this war is nowhere near ending. It will drag on until Ukraine collapses out of sheer exhaustion, or NATO decides to jump in to save face. The idea this will be over quickly if we just give Ukraine another new weapons system is proven wrong every day. I know, I wasn’t changing what you said. I was clarifying your misrepresentation of the problem. I know about the Hungarians, we have a guy who’ll tell you all about it. But it’s all good, we could argue quality over quantity and talk demographics (interesting fact, Russia has way more women than men, and ultimately has less than 42 million military aged males) But there’s no point. I do urge you to check into it every now and then, it IS quite a show, up to and including today. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:57:36 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US had the advantage of air superiority, which makes it completely irrelevant to this conflict as neither side has managed to control the airspace. This war is therefore forced to drag out on the ground. Western tech can certainly help tip the scales in their favor, but it's hard to overcome the disparity between the two. This conflict will drag on until Russia has decided Ukraine is simply too expensive to occupy. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:59:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Having your country invaded by savages is dangerous. Did anyone think otherwise?
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:06:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rate this one a troll since Ukraine is defeating Russia by brutalizing minefields with thier stomping feet. lol. They got mauled badly by the Leopard tanks as well. All those mines that got tricked into detonating themselves, that must have really embarrassed Russia. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:14:48 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. But day by day, they grind forward a few hundred meters in some places, and hold the line in others. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:22:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not their kids, of course. But yours and mine? I bet many, likely a majority, would support direct US involvement to “kill muh orcs”. It’s insanity but here we are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will the ukebros then shift the goalposts to american kids? Idk, but I really dont see a point in which they wont support their "team." Not their kids, of course. But yours and mine? I bet many, likely a majority, would support direct US involvement to “kill muh orcs”. It’s insanity but here we are. NO. I don’t know anyone who supports direct involvement….too many of our Best & Brightest were lost in the so-called GWOT. If Ukraine starts to lose, the Poles have already pledged their support to defend them against Russia. We just need to continue to provide them with the means to defeat the Russians. No direct American involvement. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:25:33 AM EDT
[#36]
I've watched probably dozens of videos uploaded every day since the start of the war. I haven't read the 1st article talking about the war though.
From the uploaded videos, it would appear Russia has 5x or more losses than Ukraine. That could simply be because Ukraine uploads more or it might be close to true. I will say, Ukrainian tactics have much improved since June or so. Russia looks very elementary and obviously has shit for comms. Russia continuously gets bush wacked because it appears they're not communicating. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:44:21 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian victory declaration on February 26th, 2022 stating "Ukraine has returned to Russia". Also: Putin's essay called "The historical unity of Ukraine and Russia". Makes you wonder, huh Putin's essay? Care to post the closing paragraph in English here? Literally makes you wonder why you lie so much |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:04:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And lose ground in others Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope. But day by day, they grind forward a few hundred meters in some places, and hold the line in others. Such as? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does air actually provide? for the most part it’s precision fires, and sensing. Since the democratization of ISR and precision fires via UAS, air superiority is really kind of a term of art and not what it use to be when there were only really manned aircraft. People have become desensitized after watching us for over two decades drop PGMs from a permissive environment too. That airspace is anything but. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:39:35 PM EDT
[#40]
The losses that Ukraine and Russia have experienced aren't significant compared to their fighting age populations. During WW1 France and Germany were able to recover from incredible losses and fight for years more with comparable population sizes. This war has been a story of Russia's capabilities slowly degrading while Ukraine's expand.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:47:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dozens per day is probably on the low side. America has been spoiled by low casualty wars.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:53:00 PM EDT
[#42]
So Russian commies and Ukrainian Democrat lackeys are dying? Sounds like a win win to me.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 5:29:37 PM EDT
[#43]
It's clearer everyday that Ukraine can't win, so much so even the leftist rags are now reporting on it. So what does the corrupt and incompetent Biden administration do now after wasting billions of tax payer monies to save face; especially with the 2024 election just around the corner? Scary times!
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's clearer everyday that Ukraine can't win, so much so even the leftist rags are now reporting on it. So what does the corrupt and incompetent Biden administration do now after wasting billions of tax payer monies to save face; especially with the 2024 election just around the corner? Scary times! Weird how the Biden Adminstration couldn't have those Abrams ready for the summer offensive. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let every adult puke die Do you believe Ukrainians are people? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's clearer everyday that Ukraine can't win, so much so even the leftist rags are now reporting on it. So what does the corrupt and incompetent Biden administration do now after wasting billions of tax payer monies to save face; especially with the 2024 election just around the corner? Scary times! How has Russia won? @sketti |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird how the Biden Adminstration couldn't have those Abrams ready for the summer offensive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's clearer everyday that Ukraine can't win, so much so even the leftist rags are now reporting on it. So what does the corrupt and incompetent Biden administration do now after wasting billions of tax payer monies to save face; especially with the 2024 election just around the corner? Scary times! Weird how the Biden Adminstration couldn't have those Abrams ready for the summer offensive. If they (NATO/US) truly wanted the Ukraine to win, or at least have a fighting chance, they would have given them everything upfront and not provided the needed equipment sporadically over many months. Another example of EU BS to look like they're contributing (see below). In the meantime American tax payers are getting bent over and paying for an unwinnable European war that's none of our business.  To Free Up Another Hundred Leopard 1 Tanks For Ukraine, German Diplomats Are Getting Creative "Ukraine could get another 100 or so Leopard 1A5 tanks on top of the 178 Leopard 1s it already is getting from a Belgian-Danish-Dutch-German consortium." Article link |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:57:52 PM EDT
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We will never really know until it is over and there is a winner.
Social Media has nothing but Pro Ukraine and how great they are doing which I am thinking is BS. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How has Russia won? @sketti Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's clearer everyday that Ukraine can't win, so much so even the leftist rags are now reporting on it. So what does the corrupt and incompetent Biden administration do now after wasting billions of tax payer monies to save face; especially with the 2024 election just around the corner? Scary times! How has Russia won? @sketti Everyday the war goes on, the Russians win and the American taxpayer loses. We shouldn't have gotten involved, especially to cover up Biden's crimes. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @fadedsun Everyday the war goes on, the Russians win and the American taxpayer loses. We shouldn't have gotten involved, especially to cover up Biden's crimes. /thread |
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