They still find tombs in the Valley of the Kings.  
The pyramids at Giza were some other purpose.

There are many other pyramids built after the ones at Giza.   They are pathetic copies at best.  And claimed to have only been built a couple hundred years earlier and on.   How did they forget so quickly, if that’s so?

So, basically exactly what I said. One single example with script that can be interpreted any number of ways depending on the outcome you want. If you compare the great pyramids with any other construction the contrast is so stark that just common sense alone says it wasn't the Egyptians.  But whatever, believe what you want. Out of curiosity, do you have some ethnic skin in the game or something as an Egyptian or of that heritage?

By the same logic one could look at Joe Biden and most of DC today and deny that the US Constitution was written by Americans, or look at the comment section for any youtube video and conclude that Bill Shakespeare must've been a martian.  

There were a few conquerers and such.. The Hyksos, the Sea People, the Persians, the Kushite Nubians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Sassanids, and finally the Rashidun Caliphate, with the homegrown Copts in there chipping faces off monuments just for laughs..

Yea, you could say there was some loss of cultural knowledge that did not originate from declines in the innate abilities of the humans inhabiting the area.

You have two "scholars" claiming the Khufu glyphs in the Vyse chambers are fake.  The claims don't make much sense considering the people finding them and the time they were found and the "scholars" in question have lots of other work they've done that most reasonable people would call "a bit off" if they were being charitable.  The markings in the shaft are very similar to marks we see other examples of elsewhere in contexts that make sense.  You can pretend that this theory is unlikely if you like but it holds more water than any pre-dynastic construction theory and further discoveries reinforce it rather than making it less likely.  

There's that clinging to ignorance again...

There's a pretty clear progression from predynastic monuments in Abydos to the monuments at Saqqara, then to Dahshur, then Giza, and finally a step down to Abusir.  I'd be glad to explain it but I can't understand it for you, especially if you simply refuse to understand.  The TLDR version (skipping pre-dynastic to 2nd dynasty) is mastaba, step pyramid, various attempts at straight walled pyramids, Sneferu's three in order, then Giza, then cheaper straight walled designs that just look like slightly rocky sand dunes today after all the casing was stripped.  Even just identifying the chronology of third, fourth, fifth dynasty monuments will show it clear as day.  Again too, the more we dig up today, the more support there is for that chronology, and the more we understand about the people of the time.

What skin do I have in the game?  None as such, I'm not Egyptian, I'm just interested.  The more interested I get (and it's neigh on an obsession at this point, I WILL RETURN to Abydos and Dendara), the more I find that the "mysteries" upon which much new age bullshit is built are simply laziness passed off as scholarship or charlatans trying to make a buck off the gullible.  I tend to refer to them as crazies because that's more charitable than scammer, charlatan, or liar.

You want some crack-ass new age Egypt weirdness that I don't really want to debunk? Check out Dorothy Eady.  Whether she was a liar or a kook or really the reincarnated temple priestess and lover of Seti I that she claimed, she put her efforts into preserving and studying one of the most important ancient sites in Egypt.  She did enough work on the temple and it's surroundings, real good honest work, that she deserves to be celebrated among the foremost Egyptologists of all time.  If she was a liar it would seem that she lived that lie with a suspiciously strong honesty.  She wasn't out profiting from it, selling fiction as fact, organizing free to her tours with kickbacks.. She put her kooky nose to the grindstone and cranked out scholarly work by the bucketload.  

Oh, and I probably hate Zahi Hawass even more than you do.  

Common core schooling...

but then where would the aliens land?

Same place they do now, trailer parks.

I hear they're attracted to mobile homes,  macaroni & cheese and busch beer.

.....or is that tornadoes?

Those scans are going to trigger the alarms, then the aliens will come and eat our brains.

Ok, let's recap:

So they went from mud brick with plenty of carvings, paintings, etc. to megalithic stones while showing no other appreciable advance in technology elsewhere in their society in about 400 years? That's totally absurd. It's also absurd that if the pyramids were sharing a purpose, you would make such stark design differences over the years. This would be completely unique in human history outside of our modern period for such advancement in such a short period of time. You would also expect other similar civilizations to make similar advances, yet, there are none.  

Next, lets take it in context with the sphinx. Geology is pretty absolute as a science. The geology says there is no way the sphinx was built by Egyptians.

Next, let's look at external evidence. The ONLY Egyptian thing that has been found which might even attribute them to Egyptians was a papyrus. But curiously, it only said workers were working on the same stone found in exterior casing of the pyramid. It says nothing about building the pyramid itself. It doesn't even say that the stone was to be used in a pyramid at all. And the translation itself doesn't make any sense. Akhet Khofu appears to be a port (he says he sailed to and from it), but yet has been interpreted as a pyramid? Too far of a stretch for me.

Next, there weren't enough workers to build them in the first place over the span of Khofus reign. We know this to be fact, unless they could make stones fly or something.

Next, there is a single marking in the Great pyramids that say's it's a work gang, and another that is illegible. This has proven almost certainly fake (the only other markings about these work "gangs" are in other structures.

Next, we know the Egyptians didn't bury their dead in pyramids. So what was their purpose? Not only that, but it's strange there are pyramids across the globe, and none hold bodies.

Next, the ONLY, inscription, etc. that directly attributes the Great pyramids to Egyptians/Khofu is from Herodotus, at least some 2,000+ years AFTER said pyramids were even said to be built, which he acknowledges is completely hearsay from things he's heard from the Egyptians. That's obviously an immense amount of time for things to get convoluted. His description does include three pyramids, but the construction techniques and stone sourcing is not the same as the Great pyramids. It says the great pyramid was surrounded by something like a moat, but obviously nothing like that has been found. He says they had iron tools, which they did not. The list goes on. It seems to me the story of Khofu and his sons building pyramids survived, but the Great Pyramids were wrongly attributed to them. My theory is that Khofu was behind the renovation of them as existing structures, but he certainly did not build them.

Now, in other texts, such as from the Hebrews, Indians, Greeks, etc., of a similar time we've been able to corroborate a great many things. So how is it, that arguably the most amazing creation of the ancient world, the only remaining of the 7 wonders of the ancient world, and whoever built it didn't take credit for it? And it's built in a radically different style than anything else?

Sorry, but one doubt and I could still maybe think the Egyptians built them, but given the whole of the set and there is no way I can see any reasonable and intelligent person could believe that.

From any perspective- geologic, archeological, psychological/behavioral, historical, artistic, and so on there are giant gaping holes in your theory.

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They told us that they were quarried a few miles away. Common geology, holes in the ground, all that.

Our guide then asked our group if we had any ideas on how they moved 20 ton stone blocks over several high altitude mountain ridges; I promptly replied “space aliens”.

The hotel we stayed at in Cuzco (Hotel Liberatador) was built in situ on an old Inca foundation. For a Bronze Age civilization they were pretty savvy engineers.

Lots of opinions, based on pretty much nothing.

This is what happens when you start with edgy conclusions and try to backfill an explanation.

You just described all social sciences, especially anthropology

Every straw man and begged question you've built in the above post is hewn from the most incredible grade-A wagyu bullshit I have seen on this website in perhaps a decade.  I'm a little stunned honestly.  Congrats.  

I absolutely beg you to familiarize yourself with logical fallacies.  I don't even give a fuck what you think about pyramids.

Probably the same reason we can't build anything grand anymore. The Egyptian workforce unionized and their society developed environmental regulations, OSHA and fair labor standards.

If a foreign researcher found something the Egyptians didn’t want out the researchers would release the info anyway.

The way Egypt was pillaged i don’t blame them for being guarded.

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What?!

This is literally, hypothetically, and physically impossible.  Further, isotopes are not used in CT.  You don't "punch threw" anything.  This post is unequivocally senseless.

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You've offered not a shred of a hint of a smudge of backing for any of your fictions.  Why the fuck would I continue to cite things and explain things when you'll just invent some even more fantastical theory without any proof?  That's not how this works kiddo.. You make the claim you back it up, it is not the duty of the world to prove you wrong, it is your duty to prove you right.    This is a pretty important bedrock of science.  Get to it.  Show me who carved the sphinx if not the Egyptians.  Show me who built the pyramids if not for them.  Tell me their purpose if it is not the burial and deification of a pharaoh.  Show me a more sensible explanation of the evolution of pyramids if they are not a development from the mastaba which was itself a derivative of a standard pit grave. I'm not even saying you have to prove them, just show some evidence that suggests any of your intellectually challenged fever dreams are even as likely a possibility as the boring old egyptologists theories.  "Nuh-uh" is not an argument and neither is following up one fiction with another.  

.....But hey, every time I post I prove someone else's points, meaning you or your ilk?  While that's nonsense it would be fucking nice if true because at least then SOMEONE would've bothered to prove them.  Y'all are just throwing monkey shit at a wall as always.  It won't ever change because that's the only kind of analysis that permits this garbage.  Ignorance is your religion and you rage like a jihadi at anyone who insults it.  Maybe I can't hang with that.  Maybe I've already ignored the whole "don't wrestle with pigs" saying just a bit too much.  

Oh, and if we're pointing out ad hominem attacks, people get their peepees slapped for things like "shut the fuck up already" and calling each other whiny bitches. I won't hit the report button because really your own posts are their own refutation and the more you make them the less anyone needs to do to show them to be nonsense, but staff or mods do occasionally read threads themselves.  

I don’t think you can claim the CoC high ground. You’ve used some pretty insulting language in this thread.

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agh.

I'm going to give you the same advice you gave me.
These people are pig ignorant.
They are literal examples of those who can't learn and won't self educate.

The evidence that the AE built the Gizan monuments, including the Sphinx is overwhelming.
If they read one of Mark Lehners books or Petrie, even, it would change the way they think.
But they won't because they think that admitting they are wrong is some form of weakness.

It's fine, they are entitled to be stupid.

He's planted his flag in this thread too

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Who-built-the-ancient-megalithic-structures-often-accredited-to-the-Incas/5-2176528/&page=66

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lol., i guess at least he's consistent.

This thread is awesome.  It's like watching Leonard Nimoy's "In Search Of" with real, live nuts.

Lizard People Apartments.

Or a high end call girl

The Pyramids were built upside down in the sand then they dug down one side and let it flip over. easy-peasy.

But goddamn it's just eye opening to see what passes for logic in some people's lives.  Explains a lot I guess.

Please open it up. Please be something big that comes out. Please stomp stomp destroy.

God damn.

Some of you go hard in the paint over shit like this. Any chance you all could keep the insults in the PM’s so this thread doesn’t get locked? Some of us who find the topic interesting would like to be able to follow up with this thread.

Don't forget this one:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Egypt-Displays-Recently-Discovered-Ancient-Tombs-in-Saqqara/5-2539295/

Go have a look.  Read the article.  The type of pit grave with burial chamber they're unveiling there is the type of thing you'd see with the elite but not royal (and the titles they describe like "Chairman of the Royal Household Brass Band and such are exactly the kind of thing you see on elites through the whole of AE history, they're pretty funny really).  Something like this was the precursor to the mastaba though obviously the pit graves didn't go away for less important folks.

There should be a death penalty for anyone that this guys videos. Good god, his voice is so annoying.

Like a bunch of old women slinging purses at each other.

This isn't even an actual controversial topic either.

It's more fun to argue over than today's bullshit.  

I'm out, the two bitching at each other is tiring. Interesting topic blown all to hell.

The pyramids will never be fully understood what their true purpose is.

That's actually pretty easy. They are symbols of power for the ruling elite.  Symbols like that allow the system to exert control over the population by creating common culture and belief, and they create doubt in the minds of both internal and external enemies because they know that the power behind those monuments can do immense, amazing things.

Curious, whats the oldest documents the pyramids are mentioned?

Oldest I'm not certain, but damn near and best.

ETA- even if you think I'm an asshole, look at that.  It's importance is independent of my assholedness.

The stones in the pyramids at Giza do not have a uniform size.  Does your friend believe they used differently sized molds for each pour?

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(Removed, CoC-6~guns762) You are only reinforcing the fact that the great pyramids are insanely different in both construction and design that anything else. But yeah, call it an "evolution." Cultures always move away from rococo into stark simplicity. That's demonstrated time and time again...lmfao. Oh, wait, it was vandals who robbed everything and sheared the granite inner walls? Yeah, that makes sense. Thieves generally love extra work for no reason. Nowadays when there is a home burglarly they stop at Home Depot afterwards once they find out what the paint colors are and they come back to make touch ups. Obviously. LMFAO.