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The refinished nose looks MUCH better now. They did a good job improving that. View Quote I just tell the students to put on a set of scratched safety glasses and look at it again. |
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Update 2/27 We had to do a rework on one of the flags, as we weren't happy with he way it laid out. We also got the red cross attached to the sliding door. https://i.imgur.com/t3N11FU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v0gFIsq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OhsBP3V.jpg We started cutting the access holes for the landing gear light mounts. https://i.imgur.com/UBC9aNl.jpg We think we might be able to use some 12V LED lights inside a Christmas bulb. We are still playing around with design. Our pilot got a bit of work done today. https://i.imgur.com/XmgGoct.jpg After replacing the flag, we repainted, and added to the fade in several areas. https://i.imgur.com/ASFyXvg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CQK8oJz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7n2dnp2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xF9gN9d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IJ3jrpH.jpg More little details added and the sliding door in place for a picture. Tape and covers pulled after painting https://i.imgur.com/mthcxVf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XZjfVyF.jpg View Quote Could color-match well by blending in with actual paint so edges of label go invisible if the inside color is close enough. Need to laminate for glossy. If you see square w/round corner stickers on a car lot near you, or other place outside, see if you can get a couple sheets to try, if that fails, I can send you a few.
Also, that inlet looks Much Better when Matte, sort of looks like a the upper left side corner piece in one of last photos above is low but that's if I'm nitpicking. |
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Continued: More wiring. We darn near had three people inside the fuselage at one point. https://i.imgur.com/xOqnbka.jpg https://i.imgur.com/p9rETRQ.jpg Hand rail, and more texture details. https://i.imgur.com/cluWQc1.jpg Hydraulic lines https://i.imgur.com/6AZzvJh.jpg View Quote If you have wire going to lights and such, might want to run 2 pair just in case something extra pops up. The little housing for the white strobe would be a larger version of red/green markers, and the "can housing with lens" for landing light could also be created with heated plexiglass into shallow domes. Like the train, but not dimmed or yellowish, just a 3W Cool Blue white LED. Last little bit - write where each wire set goes on both ends with masking tape. Like "BH Side", "M1 side", etc. Saves you when you have a dozen red and white wires that get untwisted and you can't easily find which pairs are which, or where they are to/from. Again, from personal experience, even at 10 drops of network, when they're all blue cables from conduit, anything helps if you don't want to run around with a Fox&Hound toner (or in your case, tugging). |
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It always amazes me what your students and yourself create out of the most basic materials.
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Quoted: VERY Admirable that you thought ahead with all that nice conduit! The shuttle or sub needing bulkheads drilled for added features took a bit and added some frustration. I forgot which was the first one energized, sub I think. If you have wire going to lights and such, might want to run 2 pair just in case something extra pops up. The little housing for the white strobe would be a larger version of red/green markers, and the "can housing with lens" for landing light could also be created with heated plexiglass into shallow domes. Like the train, but not dimmed or yellowish, just a 3W Cool Blue white LED. Last little bit - write where each wire set goes on both ends with masking tape. Like "BH Side", "M1 side", etc. Saves you when you have a dozen red and white wires that get untwisted and you can't easily find which pairs are which, or where they are to/from. Again, from personal experience, even at 10 drops of network, when they're all blue cables from conduit, anything helps if you don't want to run around with a Fox&Hound toner (or in your case, tugging). View Quote |
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Just strolling through the halls of PHS and you walk upon a blackhawk.
My neighbor teacher was explaining a couple coaches from another school District walking the halls on Sat, and coming upon this. Blackhawk encounter in the halls of PHS |
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While picking up reference papers off of the floor last night before heading home, I noticed we have missed several fins, antenna, and such on the tail of Marine One. I'm going to find a couple students to start creating and attaching those.
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https://i.imgur.com/m799aQh.gif Wait, no antenna on that, but light shape, size and locations are shown, right is a mirror of this left side, tail is shown clearly as a clear upside down dixie cup for the white flashing nav light" Like any other plane, Red on left, green on right, white flashing at top of tail. The diagram is to tell what anohter plane is doing, what the nav lights of another plane nearby look like at different angles for civilians to not bump into each other in the middle of the sky. https://i.imgur.com/lzFS4hX.jpg The blink pattern of red/green white changes to help ID craft at dark for friendlies, but I don't know what that pattern is. Does Marine One has A-A refueling probe? If not, here's more detail of a tricked out one (w/refueling): Either way, landing lights are shown VERY clearly just to the left of the Refueling probe in this photo. (also one on the right bright white, search light, if equipped is likely a small bub on bottom, not a giant police helicopter looking thing) Most all of the below show a vertical antenna angled a bit toward port on the outside of the football. https://i.imgur.com/oaCJLAf.jpg More random photos for details on pick and choose, I gave up on Marine One specific, and am giving you the Pavehawk "enhanced" type that was in downtown LA a week or tow ago, a base for Marine One. This one shows the detail of where the side lights are, right at the front outside of the landing gear housing: https://i.imgur.com/RfT17Mu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oaCJLAf.jpg I'll keep looking, but that last one shows well, white light on top of football at Twil Fin, seen from all angles. Front searchlight, small pivot at bottom, not blatantly obvious. Unsure if this is American or not. Search Light, Green/Starboard side Nav/marker light: https://i.imgur.com/ttePeqO.jpg Thai Blackhawk, slightly different Port Light location: https://i.imgur.com/n01cul5.jpg Landing Lights appear to be one on each side, Different than a search light, which I don't think kthey have, probably a FLIR pod, but no search lights, maybe other stuff too. https://i.imgur.com/vZBttgw.jpg IR View at night (different location of IR landing light or steerable?), the rectangular lights (Front facing 'diamonds') are are wavelength sensitive retro-reflective tape illuminated from ground/carrier/etc. They appear black to nearly invisible in daylight. https://i.imgur.com/9911rBq.jpg Pretty good photo of anentta right next to the top white flashing nav light, as well as position of the starboard/green/right side nav light (for other people to avoid, first diagram above shows how the red/green/white are used to tell if you're on a collision course, or will be, in civilian airspace. https://i.imgur.com/dQWhwco.jpg Another image showing White Nav on top of football at top of tail, Red/starboard/left light location on landing gear bulb: https://i.imgur.com/u4jhwhK.jpg View Quote |
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https://i.imgur.com/m799aQh.gif Wait, no antenna on that, but light shape, size and locations are shown, right is a mirror of this left side, tail is shown clearly as a clear upside down dixie cup for the white flashing nav light" Like any other plane, Red on left, green on right, white flashing at top of tail. The diagram is to tell what anohter plane is doing, what the nav lights of another plane nearby look like at different angles for civilians to not bump into each other in the middle of the sky. https://i.imgur.com/lzFS4hX.jpg The blink pattern of red/green white changes to help ID craft at dark for friendlies, but I don't know what that pattern is. Does Marine One has A-A refueling probe? If not, here's more detail of a tricked out one (w/refueling): Either way, landing lights are shown VERY clearly just to the left of the Refueling probe in this photo. (also one on the right bright white, search light, if equipped is likely a small bub on bottom, not a giant police helicopter looking thing) Most all of the below show a vertical antenna angled a bit toward port on the outside of the football. https://i.imgur.com/oaCJLAf.jpg More random photos for details on pick and choose, I gave up on Marine One specific, and am giving you the Pavehawk "enhanced" type that was in downtown LA a week or tow ago, a base for Marine One. This one shows the detail of where the side lights are, right at the front outside of the landing gear housing: https://i.imgur.com/RfT17Mu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oaCJLAf.jpg I'll keep looking, but that last one shows well, white light on top of football at Twil Fin, seen from all angles. Front searchlight, small pivot at bottom, not blatantly obvious. Unsure if this is American or not. Search Light, Green/Starboard side Nav/marker light: https://i.imgur.com/ttePeqO.jpg Thai Blackhawk, slightly different Port Light location: https://i.imgur.com/n01cul5.jpg Landing Lights appear to be one on each side, Different than a search light, which I don't think kthey have, probably a FLIR pod, but no search lights, maybe other stuff too. https://i.imgur.com/vZBttgw.jpg IR View at night (different location of IR landing light or steerable?), the rectangular lights (Front facing 'diamonds') are are wavelength sensitive retro-reflective tape illuminated from ground/carrier/etc. They appear black to nearly invisible in daylight. https://i.imgur.com/9911rBq.jpg Pretty good photo of anentta right next to the top white flashing nav light, as well as position of the starboard/green/right side nav light (for other people to avoid, first diagram above shows how the red/green/white are used to tell if you're on a collision course, or will be, in civilian airspace. https://i.imgur.com/dQWhwco.jpg Another image showing White Nav on top of football at top of tail, Red/starboard/left light location on landing gear bulb: https://i.imgur.com/u4jhwhK.jpg View Quote |
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Update 3/1 It's already March! We began with working on navigation light housings, using plexiglass. We might be able to make this work with a bit more trial and error. https://i.imgur.com/7VMVQYr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dqIbeP7.jpg The robotics work on the door, 3D printed and bearings installed. https://i.imgur.com/xdM9pwf.jpg Purple arms...... This is polymer clay that will harden with heat. We will paint at that point. https://i.imgur.com/GQbb3Pz.jpg Labeling our wiring. https://i.imgur.com/2ox0E7M.jpg Fin on the tail beam. https://i.imgur.com/VW25kVx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5SNkGB3.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Update 3/1 It's already March! We began with working on navigation light housings, using plexiglass. We might be able to make this work with a bit more trial and error. https://i.imgur.com/7VMVQYr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dqIbeP7.jpg The robotics work on the door, 3D printed and bearings installed. https://i.imgur.com/xdM9pwf.jpg Purple arms...... This is polymer clay that will harden with heat. We will paint at that point. https://i.imgur.com/GQbb3Pz.jpg Labeling our wiring. https://i.imgur.com/2ox0E7M.jpg Fin on the tail beam. https://i.imgur.com/VW25kVx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5SNkGB3.jpg Roll this 180° to vertical, there's two because they can get clogged/iced over/malfunction. Lets pilots know how fast they're going. How it works: For the plexiglass, look on eBay for a 60W ultrasonic knife, they magick themselves through plastic, plexi and about anything else with an essentially dull blade like magic, once in a while they'll have on eunder $50. Same for ultrasonic welder, bit they have price tags on the near side of "that's insane". When Writing tags for wires, many find it easier to get the tags ready for that area and wires expected to be there, put a date on em, then find that wire and wrap the label around it. There are very cool little wire tag printers that do that excellent, but they're not a 'get one to goof around' level toy. Feeding is spendy, they use thick and long Dyno type label tape, but the "special tags" have enough clear good stickum to attach to cable, so the label can have a lot on it and left out, or wrap enitrely around cable set. IOW, tape labels are perfectly fine, but try to write what you can on them before attaching to cable, it's a pain to try do freehand writing while holding the bundle in other hand. Any sort of label, however, is infinitely better than no label at all. When you built it, remember to think "People are going to be trying to fix/enhance this in a year or three, if thi is the first time I was looking at it, woul dthe functions be clear?". The only Rule to follow is onl use Red/Black for power lines, you can get away with them being on motor drive lines, but Most all that look for the suppl are looking for Red (+5-18V) and Black (-/gnd) to check first for something broken. If they're ALL Red and white wires, well that's how you get Very bad words, wishes, hexes, and generally hate in your general direction. Sometimes by your past you yourself. We all learn the hard way, if it works the first time, we're proficient and didnn't learn anything new. Fixing problems learns people. Quoted:
Do you know what the red bulbs on the top of the tail, under the antenna, and in the middle of the tail fuselage/bottom are? Can you post a couple photos with Ugly Contrast ARF style circling and scribbling to it like a conspiracy theorist? You guys are doing GREAT! I see this as two projects, as your Mural has more pure work and win stuffed into it than the dragon ship, before the Helo! |
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The CAD/Woods instructor had to walk in and ask us where the pilot steps were. He said they were located on the front of the landing gear housing. He didn't even look at the references.....that son of a gun was right..
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Those Medivac side windows look Excellent! I was expecting them to be nearly flat and boring. I love the way you exceed expectations, even after years of you exceeding expectations and raising the bar!
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The White House might look more finished if you cut out a base that is the exact same size as the building, but take it to the front of the curved staircases. They look strange dangling, in thin air. Plus it should protect them better.
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Those Medivac side windows look Excellent! I was expecting them to be nearly flat and boring. I love the way you exceed expectations, even after years of you exceeding expectations and raising the bar! View Quote There are still a few more little things we hope to hit on the windows before calling them finished. Kids were doing a good job today of picking out things we need to address. My speech today was, "the more details we include, the more mistakes they will forgive us." |
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The White House might look more finished if you cut out a base that is the exact same size as the building, but take it to the front of the curved staircases. They look strange dangling, in thin air. Plus it should protect them better. View Quote Artistically, we kind of liked them hanging out in mid air. |
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Thank you! There are still a few more little things we hope to hit on the windows before calling them finished. Kids were doing a good job today of picking out things we need to address. My speech today was, "the more details we include, the more mistakes they will forgive us." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Those Medivac side windows look Excellent! I was expecting them to be nearly flat and boring. I love the way you exceed expectations, even after years of you exceeding expectations and raising the bar! There are still a few more little things we hope to hit on the windows before calling them finished. Kids were doing a good job today of picking out things we need to address. My speech today was, "the more details we include, the more mistakes they will forgive us." |
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Update 3/5 An exciting day with some nice advancements today. We started with getting the Presidentisl letter encased on the wall. https://i.imgur.com/et49UyI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0JNZqA5.jpg We also installed some of the easy windows. We needed a bit of touch up around the windows before adding some trim pinstripe. https://i.imgur.com/xk8OGba.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mLIDwpc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0v0fdAx.jpg Pinstripe on the front radar dome also was successful. https://i.imgur.com/zGhjVoy.jpg View Quote Stripes look good. Though I agree with others that a "half pyramid", except with curved edges, sweeping up to match the triangular base of the White House. That's just extra work, maybe make the triangle starting base more subtle? It sort of sticks out as "hey, I'm a triangle cut out and the house was slapped onto me". |
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At the end of the day we thought we were getting the electronics added to the White House, but we ended up having to table it till tomorrow. Arduino encased in custom 3D printed case. https://i.imgur.com/252VxCS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lIkfABb.jpg Finally, this was a fun surprise today. Students started working on the light on top of the tail. We began with a piece of oil funnel. https://i.imgur.com/Tqi7I6d.jpg One of the more exciting things we do is find some object in the room to solve our problem. Today it was a small plastic spray bottle. A few students wanted s shot glass. https://i.imgur.com/ExQQoDl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/k8fM6zs.jpg We also had a small market lamp cover floating around. https://i.imgur.com/1bQ6onT.jpg The wiring floating inside us keeping it from being vertical, but you get the idea. https://i.imgur.com/42kSxgv.jpg View Quote |
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Red only goes on port/left. If it's on tail, others in air will be confused. Or is that for fun? Nav lights, only 3: Red/port, Green/starboard, white/tail. Then landing lights and optional search light. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Marine One fly-by and landing, with President Obama 2 HMX-1 VH-60 and 6 blackhawk escorts taking off at Kbfi Obama in Marine One Night Time Departure with 3 Presidential Ospreys Burbank Airport Presidential Helicopter Starting Up! |
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