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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:20:08 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3M has just destroyed their brand value. I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. I wanted to read the thread, to see if anyone mentioned this, before I brought it up. That military everyone wants to send into 3M? Yeah... about that. Do you like having your aircraft fleet serviceable? What about your ground vehicles? Or infantry gear? Because the number of components for those produced by 3M is almost endless. 3M has some serious power in this "battle" and trying to nationalize them could very easily be a self-inflicted, crippling blow to our national security. The depth and scope of their products in use throughout our military would stagger most people, if they learned the true extent of it. But populists gonna rabble-rouse. I don't know how this country has survived so long, with the asinine levels of idiots among the populace. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:21:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am really disappointed by this. I have always thought of 3M as a first-class example of a successful American company. I own a tiny amount of their stock, and it has treated me well. Maybe I was always wrong ... but strongly suspect that it suffers from the pandemic of MBAs getting elevated to executive positions without their ever having done any real work, and playing to their own political beliefs and personal advantage over the people that work for the companies that they are destroying, and, apparently, the country that gave them all the advantage that they have. Scum. 3M supplying Canada is fine. We supply the US with more than we take from the US anyhow. 3M has several plants up here as well. As much as you guys bitch about drugs being made in China, Canada is a major supplier to many US states for prescription drugs. Nobody here is saying we should shut off the drug flow to you guys. Lets not go all isolationist stupid >Its not like Canada is across the ocean or far away...some places we are so connected to you guys that there isnt even a defined border and you can walk back and forth across the two nations |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:21:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. "You won't sell us masks? Sweet. Did you need the components for that back door for your C-130 fleet? That's too bad. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:22:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I to late at the party for: I'm in before some smarter than the average bear GD keyboard commando cries that's how capitalism works and the president is acting like a dictator? FU 3M Stop blaming your distributors and cut them off completely. Sell at cost directly to the USA only and let the other countries watch their health care workers get infected instead of ours that are trying to help Americas. You scum bag Oompa Loompa. Forward! |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:22:15 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal eagles-what does the government do now to enforce the NDA? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:22:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cuomo would still be a dick for his gun stance, but would have moved to the top of the field for Dem Presidential candidate. Fucking your own country over for profit is suicidal in the current conditions. 3M just cut their corporate wrists. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/help-center/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remove the word "Trump" from this story, and replace with "Cuomo." How would the responses here change? (Regarding this hypothetical situation above, I am not making a statement, taking a position, or giving an opinion, but merely asking.) Cuomo would still be a dick for his gun stance, but would have moved to the top of the field for Dem Presidential candidate. Fucking your own country over for profit is suicidal in the current conditions. 3M just cut their corporate wrists. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/help-center/ Im wondering how many here who are praising Trump for this move are also demonizing the use of E.D. to seize medical supplies. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:23:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet those on the facilities floors, shipping departments, drivers, and others will side with Trump over their CEOs and management. Nope. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:23:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about this. President Trump nationalizes a handful of big companies during this SoE and it continues until and beyond the election. And Trump loses... What does sleepy Joe or Cuomo do with their new businesses? Nationalizes big companies? How has he done that? Are government reps sitting on boards controlling profit? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:23:46 PM EST
[#9]
Interesting to see arfcommers support the same silly leftism as Macron et al.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:24:37 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:24:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree completely. Perception wise 3m won't find many allies on this and are going to get their pee pees slapped hard enough they won't forget it any time soon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Will the executive branch of 3M be receiving visitors from the US executive branch today?? Almost certainly. This was a strange and retarded course of action to take given the circumstances. On this web board, where we are 90%+ Republican and libertarian, along with 10% Never_trumpers, dems, and trolls, we have a VERY high density of the Muh Market PurityTM crowd. A VERY high density of the crowd who would say, "oh well, The MarketTM will decide, let the masks go overseas and let people die here, lest we upset our principles and purity." i Of course the funny thing is, in a situation like this, they wipe their ass with the part where consumer perception and discussion is PART of markets deciding what businesses to support, because consumer attitudes are harder to grasp than a 20 year old Milton Friedman video where he spells everything out for them. So even WITH the most sympathetic cluster possible, It's 75% in support of Trump slapping 3M by the poll here. That 25% saying "Leave Once you add in more moderates and libs? 3M stepped in it. Donald has a lot of electoral support to skullfuck 3M over this. I agree completely. Perception wise 3m won't find many allies on this and are going to get their pee pees slapped hard enough they won't forget it any time soon. I do think one of the other thought-traps some fall into, is assuming, "oh ARF is the only place that feels this way" about certain things. This may come as a shock to some people, but businesses can feel losses that aren't totally catastrophic to the business  A business doesn't need to die completely in order for a move/statement/etc to be stupid. Shocking, I know. If a big business had year over year growth, does something dumb and "woke", then suddenly is flat? That's a problem. That's not a victory. Measured against itself, the business made a mistake that it did not have to make. Then of course, the business issues its Official StatementTM denying anything bad happened, in an effort to keep people on board. If it's successful, they can exhale. They do their best to shape perceptions, and that includes calling friends in the press, and running the "everything is fine" campaign. Those MOST fooled: The ones who thought they were original thinkers for buying the Official Statement in a case where it deserved skepticism. I say all that to say, 3M's currently got a black eye over this, one it did not need. If the "sympathetic crowd" is polling at 25%? Ow. When the MyPillow guy is "doing the right thing", they can too. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:25:00 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3M has just destroyed their brand value. I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. Everyone is replaceable. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:25:01 PM EST
[#13]
Send in the Marshals and seize all company assets. NOW
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:25:39 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What ever gave you the impression this is currently a free market situation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... What ever gave you the impression this is currently a free market situation? In a conversation about a company that sets up factories in a dystopian communist state to exploit slave labor we’re talking free market. If 3M is an example of free market there is no free market |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:26:03 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Or maybe we take what we want from you. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:26:40 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On this web board, where we are 90%+ Republican and libertarian, along with 10% Never_trumpers, dems, and trolls, we have a VERY high density of the Muh Market PurityTM crowd. A VERY high density of the crowd who would say, "oh well, The MarketTM will decide, let the masks go overseas and let people die here, lest we upset our principles and purity." i Of course the funny thing is, in a situation like this, they wipe their ass with the part where consumer perception and discussion is PART of markets deciding what businesses to support, because consumer attitudes are harder to grasp than a 20 year old Milton Friedman video where he spells everything out for them. So even WITH the most sympathetic cluster possible, It's 75% in support of Trump slapping 3M by the poll here. That 25% saying "Leave Once you add in more moderates and libs? 3M stepped in it. Donald has a lot of electoral support to skullfuck 3M over this. Because mobs always make good, informed decisions. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:27:05 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nationalizes big companies? How has he done that? Are government reps sitting on boards controlling profit? Telling a company what to produce, who to sell it to, and at what price. How close are you at that point? 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:27:24 PM EST
[#18]
Hope 3M gets their shit pushed in!
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:27:37 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a conversation about a company that sets up factories in a dystopian communist state to exploit slave labor we’re talking free market. If 3M is an example of free market there is no free market Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... What ever gave you the impression this is currently a free market situation? In a conversation about a company that sets up factories in a dystopian communist state to exploit slave labor we’re talking free market. If 3M is an example of free market there is no free market Layer in NDA on top of that, and yes I think that about covers it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:27:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Revoke their export license and then revoke their patent Let them fight it in court later. This is dreadful sentiment. You Sir are not a friend to liberty, capitalism and a free market What you are advocating is some sick Soviet shit... but you be you. 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:28:19 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Send in the Marshals and seize all company assets. NOW They are going to rack up some frequent flier miles.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:28:41 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Just make masks ITAR regulated. Zero chance of non CBRN making it onto ITAR. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:28:52 PM EST
[#23]
Sounds like 3M is becoming an enemy of the USA.
Send in the Marine Corps. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:06 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that is his point. Stop Mask from going to say India, will they stop exporting Meds? India already stopped the export of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:20 PM EST
[#25]
Quote History"The company sending the items later produced the customs paper work for sending the masks and they were allowed to have their cargo back." |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:40 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wanted to read the thread, to see if anyone mentioned this, before I brought it up. That military everyone wants to send into 3M? Yeah... about that. Do you like having your aircraft fleet serviceable? What about your ground vehicles? Or infantry gear? Because the number of components for those produced by 3M is almost endless. 3M has some serious power in this "battle" and trying to nationalize them could very easily be a self-inflicted, crippling blow to our national security. The depth and scope of their products in use throughout our military would stagger most people, if they learned the true extent of it. But populists gonna rabble-rouse. I don't know how this country has survived so long, with the asinine levels of idiots among the populace. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3M has just destroyed their brand value. I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. I wanted to read the thread, to see if anyone mentioned this, before I brought it up. That military everyone wants to send into 3M? Yeah... about that. Do you like having your aircraft fleet serviceable? What about your ground vehicles? Or infantry gear? Because the number of components for those produced by 3M is almost endless. 3M has some serious power in this "battle" and trying to nationalize them could very easily be a self-inflicted, crippling blow to our national security. The depth and scope of their products in use throughout our military would stagger most people, if they learned the true extent of it. But populists gonna rabble-rouse. I don't know how this country has survived so long, with the asinine levels of idiots among the populace. If they're all that they need to be broken up. Now is as good a time as any. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:47 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting to see arfcommers support the same silly leftism as Macron et al. I continue to submit, that the world would have gone full Communist in the 20th Century if not for the attack on religious identity. The actual economic liberty arguments are too abstract, too complicated. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:52 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: India already stopped the export of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree that is his point. Stop Mask from going to say India, will they stop exporting Meds? India already stopped the export of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. Oh no they might retaliate due to masks.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:29:52 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like 3M is becoming an enemy of the USA. Send in the Marine Corps.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:30:05 PM EST
[#30]
Quoted: 3M pushes back after Trump orders company to stop exporting N95 masks WASHINGTON Manufacturing giant 3M pushed backed against President Trump in a statement on Friday that suggested it would not comply with a White House order to stop exporting masks to Canada and Latin America. The Trump administration on Thursday invoked the Defense Production Act, compelling 3M to prioritize orders for desperately needed N95 respiratory masks for the US government's national stockpile. The Minnesota-based company, one of the largest manufacturers of the masks, said it was looking forward to implementing the order and had already been going "above and beyond" in recent weeks to churn them out as quickly as possible amid the coronavirus pandemic. But 3M criticized a previously unreported request from the White House that it also stop sending any N95 masks to Latin America and Canada, citing "significant humanitarian implications" given the great need for them in the US and complaints from governors around the country, including New York's Andrew Cuomo, that they wind up in bidding wars for supplies against each other and other countries. "The Administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets," the Friday morning statement read. "There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to healthcare workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators," it continued. The manufacturing company said it feared other countries would retaliate if it stopped exporting masks made in the US, "as some have already done." "If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek." For a fun monkey wrench, New York apparently seized a shipment of masks being shipped to Massachusetts, which is WHY the New England Patriot's had to send their jet to pick up a new shipment. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:30:28 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like 3M is becoming an enemy of the USA. Send in the Marine Corps. The preferred term is "enemy of the people." |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:30:38 PM EST
[#32]
Are we really advocating for the government to step in and dictate what a private business can and cannot do?
Really guys?
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:30:51 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting to see arfcommers support the same silly leftism as Macron et al. If we don't win there won't be much of a market left. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:31:26 PM EST
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:31:27 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Nah fam all wrong. Bite the bullet and let's fix our country. I'm currently unemployed and ok with this. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:31:28 PM EST
[#36]
The libertarian in me cheers for them.
As a healthcare worker, some semblance of socialism just popped and said "make them stop shipping masks elsewhere". Such inner conflict. ETA: also, did I just see a Canadian claim that 1) the US would die without Canada 2) Canada would stomp the US in battle |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:31:44 PM EST
[#37]
Does 3M hire crony capitalist trolls? If so they could find quite a few here that would bat for them.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:05 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we really advocating for the government to step in and dictate what a private business can and cannot do? Really guys? That's exactly what the NDA does. We can argue about whether or not we like the NDA, but it was in fact invoked and 3M was damn well aware of that. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:15 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe we take what we want from you. Ok tough keyboard guy...you can come now. Im 35 minutes from the border. How long should I wait? Gutless... like you would come here. Last time you did we fucking crushed you hard. I live 5 minutes from the battle site. So sure lets do round 2. You want us as an enemy..no problem. Good luck recognizing us in a crowd..as we all look...like you.. Go have a pizza roll kid...its dinner time. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:17 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a fun monkey wrench, New York apparently seized a shipment of masks being shipped to Massachusetts, which is WHY the New England Patriot's had to send their jet to pick up a new shipment. The world has gone mad. https://www.wcvb.com/article/maine-dog-sled-driver-delivering-to-those-in-need/32032473 |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:25 PM EST
[#41]
I swear some of you treasonous fucks would be moaning "muh liberty" during world war 2.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:39 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a war. Free markets be damned right now. If we don't win there won't be much of a market left. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting to see arfcommers support the same silly leftism as Macron et al. If we don't win there won't be much of a market left. Nationalizing companies won’t make you win anything but the stupid prize. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:32:49 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they fight this hard against China? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:33:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Revoke their export license and then revoke their patent Let them fight it in court later. You seem to have some sort of fundamental objection to fascism. What's up with that, bro? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:33:13 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok tough keyboard guy...you can come now. Im 35 minutes from the border. How long should I wait? Gutless... like you would come here. Last time you did we fucking crushed you hard. I live 5 minutes from the battle site. So sure lets do round 2. You want us as an enemy..no problem. Good luck recognizing us in a crowd..as we all look...like you.. Go have a pizza roll kid...its dinner time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or maybe we take what we want from you. Ok tough keyboard guy...you can come now. Im 35 minutes from the border. How long should I wait? Gutless... like you would come here. Last time you did we fucking crushed you hard. I live 5 minutes from the battle site. So sure lets do round 2. You want us as an enemy..no problem. Good luck recognizing us in a crowd..as we all look...like you.. Go have a pizza roll kid...its dinner time. I'm confused, are you Russian or Canadian? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:33:21 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a war. Free markets be damned right now. If we don't win there won't be much of a market left. We have to destroy the market to save the market. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:33:37 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like 3M is becoming an enemy of the USA. Send in the Marine Corps. I don't know how some people wipe their own ass. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:34:08 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remove the word "Trump" from this story, and replace with "Cuomo." How would the responses here change? (Regarding this hypothetical situation above, I am not making a statement, taking a position, or giving an opinion, but merely asking.) FUCK CUOMO AND FUCK NEW YORK 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:34:49 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah fam all wrong. Bite the bullet and let's fix our country. I'm currently unemployed and ok with this. Bro hope your situation improves. Good luck! I sincerely wish you the best and others who are having hard times. The rest of you screaming for marxism...fuck you disgust me!!!!!! What has this place become Maybe one of you will now sing the Internationale? 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:20 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or does 3M know their market better than the federal government and is trying to warn them they are making an error? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. Or does 3M know their market better than the federal government and is trying to warn them they are making an error? This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer and harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. @SmilingBandit |
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