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Quoted: So what if, 3M needed a way to say "guys it's not our fault" to their overseas commitment? And "Soooo Trump got pissed off and decided to use the D.P.A. sorry guys." happens. That would get them off the hook. Now it's "not 3Ms fault", and we get what we need, 3M getting a pass with its customers, their hands are tied after slapping the American public. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Regarding the worry about international retaliation, it's possible 3m is worried about raw materials for PPE that 3m makes domestically, being withheld. So what if, 3M needed a way to say "guys it's not our fault" to their overseas commitment? And "Soooo Trump got pissed off and decided to use the D.P.A. sorry guys." happens. That would get them off the hook. Now it's "not 3Ms fault", and we get what we need, 3M getting a pass with its customers, their hands are tied after slapping the American public. Again I'm not saying this is what's happening, though it probably is at some level. That's why nationalization often sucks and is counter productive. |
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Quoted: This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want Does America give them tax breaks? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do not disrupt the echo chamber. You'll upset the herd. Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want Does America give them tax breaks? Oh ffs.... Is 3m aiding and abetting an enemy? Who exactly? |
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Quoted: Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. In a pure sense, you aren't wrong. If you think that is going to be enough to cover 3m's ass right now... Attached File |
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Quoted: 3M seems to be under the impression that globalism is still going to be a thing after this. Also I have to laugh at how politically tone-deaf the people are that are pro-quarantine, but also taking 3M's side in this. The government just forced tens of millions of people out of work, and forced every small business to risk bankruptcy so it's kind of late to start hand-wringing about free markets. View Quote Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" |
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Quoted: What’s all this talk about freedom and free market capitalism? View Quote the same full of shit fucknuggets who call it the Flu, who just a couple months ago called giving 1k to anyone socialism, and who are now fully supporting trumpbucks socialism along with government communistic attack on businesses for a case they dont beleive in ( its just the flu) its like you cant make up MORE of a bag of dicks.. |
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Quoted: I think its more along the lines of if the govt said to psa we need your rifles and we need you to sell them to us Instead of foreign countries. Theyre still getting paid for the goods they produce, just prioritizing who they sell them to during a national emergency situation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So how do we react if the govt orders PSA to retool and start making ventilators or some shit instead of inexpensive AR's That said, I think the optics look very shitty on 3M's part I think its more along the lines of if the govt said to psa we need your rifles and we need you to sell them to us Instead of foreign countries. Theyre still getting paid for the goods they produce, just prioritizing who they sell them to during a national emergency situation. More like to MIL/LEO instead of civilians. I don't think PSA does foreign sales. |
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Quoted: Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 3M seems to be under the impression that globalism is still going to be a thing after this. Also I have to laugh at how politically tone-deaf the people are that are pro-quarantine, but also taking 3M's side in this. The government just forced tens of millions of people out of work, and forced every small business to risk bankruptcy so it's kind of late to start hand-wringing about free markets. Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" The staff in the hospitals currently dealing with this shit that have to wear the same mask all day or multiple in a row are going to love hearing about how 3m really just loves the free global market, it's nothing personal. |
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Quoted: I like businesses that don't get captured. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Or maybe we take what we want from you. Wow, you're a real winner... I like countries who aren't captured. I like businesses that don't get captured. I like posters that aren't filthy communists grasping at others' property. |
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Quoted: The only enemies of this nation are people like you. You write like a full-fledged Nazi. No exaggeration, no ad-hominem, no attempt to provoke a reaction; your posts truly read like those of a national-socialist who wants the state to assume dictatorial power over the economy and crush its perceived enemies. This is disgusting, un-American, and an embarrassment to the forum. If you aren't a Nazi or don't aspire to be one, I'd suggest asking yourself some hard personal questions about how you view the world. Good day, sir. View Quote oh please, drama llama over here. We need some Nationalism in a time like this when China is actively undermining us. |
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Quoted: It's not about fault. If Bangladesh has the capacity to make filter element but not to turn it into masks, if 3m says sorry not our fault we're can't sell you masks back, then Bangladesh sells their filter material to RSG in Europe instead. Again I'm not saying this is what's happening, though it probably is at some level. That's why nationalization often sucks and is counter productive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Regarding the worry about international retaliation, it's possible 3m is worried about raw materials for PPE that 3m makes domestically, being withheld. So what if, 3M needed a way to say "guys it's not our fault" to their overseas commitment? And "Soooo Trump got pissed off and decided to use the D.P.A. sorry guys." happens. That would get them off the hook. Now it's "not 3Ms fault", and we get what we need, 3M getting a pass with its customers, their hands are tied after slapping the American public. Again I'm not saying this is what's happening, though it probably is at some level. That's why nationalization often sucks and is counter productive. [Laughs in MyPillow Masks] Attached File |
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Quoted: Im wondering how many here who are praising Trump for this move are also demonizing the use of E.D. to seize medical supplies. View Quote |
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Holy shit this place has gone to crazy town.
I know that we have always had some outliers here but I am amazed at the amount of people that are screaming for the government to take control of a large US company and control the distribution of their products. What if you owned this company? Ask yourself what was the last thing that the government did better than the free market. Everything I have ever seen the government get involved in has turned to shit. What makes you think that this will be any different? I know that people are scared but for fucks sake get a grip. |
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If this was something that Obama would have done..... everyone here would have flipped their shit.
But Orange Jesus does it.......and half of the people here are praising him Funny how the rules change isn't it..... |
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Quoted: In a pure sense, you aren't wrong. If you think that is going to be enough to cover 3m's ass right now... /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. In a pure sense, you aren't wrong. If you think that is going to be enough to cover 3m's ass right now... /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif Of course it won't be; the lynch-mob now wants to burn the CEOs atop a pyre of N95s and cast the machinery to make them into the sea. That's on T$ getting all wee-weed up and trying to throw his weight around like he's doing some dumbass hostile takeover, not on 3M in my estimation. T$ can still relent and say 3M is all good, beautiful, and an invaluable credit to the nation...you know his zombies will change their tune instantly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: With companies like 3M...how are we supposed to fight a war? Fuck 3M There is no war... Attached File |
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3M needs their shit pushed in. Getting tired of these "American companies" not wanting to support USA.
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Quoted: Am I to late at the party for: I'm in before some smarter than the average bear GD keyboard commando cries that's how capitalism works and the president is acting like a dictator? FU 3M Stop blaming your distributors and cut them off completely. Sell at cost directly to the USA only and let the other countries watch their health care workers get infected instead of ours that are trying to help Americas. You scum bag Oompa Loompa. View Quote Ok comrade. |
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View Quote Whoops, guess they won't have the funds to expand the N95 production line after all. |
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Quoted: I'm wondering how many doomers in here that think we need to destroy the economy 'cuz "millions will die" are now saying this is a free market and 3M can sell to whomever they want? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Im wondering how many here who are praising Trump for this move are also demonizing the use of E.D. to seize medical supplies. What a time to be alive |
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Quoted: The staff in the hospitals currently dealing with this shit that have to wear the same mask all day or multiple in a row are going to love hearing about how 3m really just loves the free global market, it's nothing personal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3M seems to be under the impression that globalism is still going to be a thing after this. Also I have to laugh at how politically tone-deaf the people are that are pro-quarantine, but also taking 3M's side in this. The government just forced tens of millions of people out of work, and forced every small business to risk bankruptcy so it's kind of late to start hand-wringing about free markets. Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" The staff in the hospitals currently dealing with this shit that have to wear the same mask all day or multiple in a row are going to love hearing about how 3m really just loves the free global market, it's nothing personal. Yep. And that naive party principle puritanism, is part of the chorus of moral preening that has allowed Republican politics to slide into cultural irrelevance over the decades. GOPe: "Why can't we get back the working class after Reagan? Oh well?" Trump: "I'm going to bring back your Jahbs" GOPe: "HAHAHA win the rust belt?!?! HAHAHAAH! that won't work, we can't bring back a single job and they don't want them." Actual Voters: "Oh wow, I have a chance of my job staying? this is 100x more interesting than tranny bathrooms, or Ben Shapiro types promising me they won't do fuck about it." They learned nothing. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Im wondering how many here who are praising Trump for this move are also demonizing the use of E.D. to seize medical supplies. What a time to be alive They're working over time to stay outside of the mainstream of thought. Doomers: "the flu bros are 9/11 truthers!" Also Doomers: "GUBMINT HIDING THE REAL CFR AND TESTS, |
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Quoted: Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. So you’re fine with a company that sells critical, life saving items extorting American states and hospitals? Endangering American lives in the process? They had an order in place, states and hospitals can’t be expected to keep increasing the amount of money paid any time some previously uninvolved party shows up with a wad of cash. “Hey listen, I know our contract said we sell you xxx amount of masks at xxx amount, but _______ from _______ just showed up and offered double that, so if you want the masks I’m gonna need you to triple what we agreed upon.” Just because some people are too shortsighted to see the situation for the reality it is, either through greed or incompetence, doesn’t mean we all are. @barnbwt |
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Quoted: The staff in the hospitals currently dealing with this shit that have to wear the same mask all day or multiple in a row are going to love hearing about how 3m really just loves the free global market, it's nothing personal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 3M seems to be under the impression that globalism is still going to be a thing after this. Also I have to laugh at how politically tone-deaf the people are that are pro-quarantine, but also taking 3M's side in this. The government just forced tens of millions of people out of work, and forced every small business to risk bankruptcy so it's kind of late to start hand-wringing about free markets. Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" The staff in the hospitals currently dealing with this shit that have to wear the same mask all day or multiple in a row are going to love hearing about how 3m really just loves the free global market, it's nothing personal. All they gotta do is be willing to pay what the going rate for masks is with TrumpBux. Seriously, that's all there is to it. China can't print TrumpBux, you & I can't print TrumpBux, but a hospital can beg a governor to print TrumpBux. We just blew two trillion on fucking bankers; a billion dollars will buy a shit-load of overpriced N95 masks if that's actually what is needed. But on some level...the people cutting the checks here know that isn't the case, and refuse to pay more than the pre-shortage prices. This is a dick-swinging contest by the feds to assert control over a highly strategic industry, nothing more. |
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Funny how quickly those on the right have embraced socialism. Prior to this, I had hoped it was only the left
We’ve quickly reverted to “socialism is fine if it saves just one American life”. What other freedoms are we willing to sacrifice? |
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Quoted: Holy shit this place has gone to crazy town. I know that we have always had some outliers here but I am amazed at the amount of people that are screaming for the government to take control of a large US company and control the distribution of their products. What if you owned this company? Ask yourself what was the last thing that the government did better than the free market. Everything I have ever seen the government get involved in has turned to shit. What makes you think that this will be any different? I know that people are scared but for fucks sake get a grip. View Quote A crisis always reveals the weak. And the stupid. |
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Quoted: Holy shit this place has gone to crazy town. I know that we have always had some outliers here but I am amazed at the amount of people that are screaming for the government to take control of a large US company and control the distribution of their products. What if you owned this company? Ask yourself what was the last thing that the government did better than the free market. Everything I have ever seen the government get involved in has turned to shit. What makes you think that this will be any different? I know that people are scared but for fucks sake get a grip. View Quote Ayn Rand described the Soviet Revolution as "trading tyranny for insanity." |
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Quoted: They are supporting the USA more than you ever have, I promise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 3M needs their shit pushed in. Getting tired of these "American companies" not wanting to support USA. They are supporting the USA more than you ever have, I promise. That doesn't even begin to say it. |
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Quoted: Holy shit this place has gone to crazy town. I know that we have always had some outliers here but I am amazed at the amount of people that are screaming for the government to take control of a large US company and control the distribution of their products. What if you owned this company? Ask yourself what was the last thing that the government did better than the free market. Everything I have ever seen the government get involved in has turned to shit. What makes you think that this will be any different? I know that people are scared but for fucks sake get a grip. View Quote If i was a US company, supplying PPE. I'd be prioritizing my home getting enough PPE to function without shortages and fufulling those contracts with state and local responders than foriegn countries anyway. Instead 3M decided to stick their dick in a PR disaster. |
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Quoted: So a company that makes and distributes a necessary product world wide is now being told that they can only sell to the United States? If I was the CEO of 3M, I would be putting the wheels in motion to up my manufacturing overseas. See how that works??? View Quote Hysterics much? No they are not told that "they can only sell to the US". So far they are only told that they cannot ignore orders already placed by US governmental entities and instead sell those products to the highest bidder and leave their US customers empty handed. If they still have capacity left over they can sell to whomever they want. But US companies must fill the US orders first, especially ones that were placed a month ago. They cannot bump them down the list. Not difficult to understand. AMERICA FIRST! What they did was fraud at best and damn close to treason in a time of national emergency. Some people here apparently consider scumbag moves like that "liberty" that should be protected. Pretty disgusting thinking to be honest. Has fuckall to do with liberty. Business tactics like this would get anyone kicked out of the EE in the blink of an eye. Selling a gun, here's the firm order, money incoming. Seller talks to someone else behind the scenes, gets a better offer, ships gun to shadow buyer. Original buyer is told to go fornicate themselves. LIBERTYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Quoted: 3M needs their shit pushed in. Getting tired of these "American companies" not wanting to support USA. View Quote 3M makes the gas mask filters that save your soldiers' lives They support America plenty. They aren't threatening to take their ball & go home like a lot of the Bolsheviks suddenly popping up all over the place here. |
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and there it is: blanket ban on export of N95 respirators, surgical masks, gloves
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Does this mean we are at peak ComtacIII's? lol Fuck 3M for prioritizing foreign orders. Hey 3M, Do you want gov control? This is how you get gov control.
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Quoted: 3M makes the gas mask filters that save your soldiers' lives They support America plenty. They aren't threatening to take their ball & go home like a lot of the Bolsheviks suddenly popping up all over the place here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 3M needs their shit pushed in. Getting tired of these "American companies" not wanting to support USA. 3M makes the gas mask filters that save your soldiers' lives They support America plenty. They aren't threatening to take their ball & go home like a lot of the Bolsheviks suddenly popping up all over the place here. You seem chronically uninformed. Quoted: Quoted: Yup! "Orangeman fucked us by not doing enough." The sample people: "Leave 3M ALONE! Let the masks we should be getting, fly out of the county!" Private companies don’t owe you anything. They’re not required to honor contracts and fulfill the terms and commitments of said agreement? Fuck me I’ve been doing it wrong the whole time! |
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Seems like a lot of people are confusing patriotism with capitalism. And a lot of Anarcho capitalists chiming in screaming about muh freedom.
What a shit show... |
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Quoted: Seems like a lot of people are confusing patriotism with capitalism. And a lot of Anarcho capitalists chiming in screaming about muh freedom. What a shit show... View Quote Lol. Nicely put. Attached File |
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I honestly dont care. 3M can do whatever it wants. It's not their fault that, at every level, very few medical facilities were prepared for any sort of high demand.
Let those commies die from COVID. It's time they learned their lesson about so many things. |
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