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Posted: 6/5/2018 7:43:24 PM EDT
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Oh hey USGS set up an actual live stream at the summit.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlP-8JiKOS8 |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 8:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a stupid question but can you walk up to that summit now? or is it too hot, too unstable or something else?...... besides the fact that it can blow any second Yes you could walk up to it. It's not too hot... it might be unstable... but you won't know how unstable until weight is applied to the area... |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 8:13:33 PM EDT
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Give it a shot. Take pics
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:13:16 PM EDT
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I just had an idea for a single crust cherry pie, except topped with dark chocolate chips as soon as you take it out of the oven, so they melt.
Pahoehoe pie. 
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a stupid question but can you walk up to that summit now? or is it too hot, too unstable or something else?...... besides the fact that it can blow any second 
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:34:50 PM EDT
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Wow, the volcano accidentally the whole thing.
Houses, roads, ponds, the bay, like it was never there. Such a shame. That said, if my house was there I would probably rather it burned then be one of the few left standing. No beach anymore, no access, no utilities. Now pretty much useless. Gonna guess most of these people don't bother sending in their mortgage payment this month. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:46:19 PM EDT
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The USGS is still working at the HVO but the park is closed to the public. https://www.nps.gov/havo/images/PIO_ansi_8_5x11_land_20180521_KilaueaEEA_NP18051727_960.jpg?maxwidth=1200&autorotate=false |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:51:26 PM EDT
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That is unreal.
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:53:58 PM EDT
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Wow, the volcano accidentally the whole thing. Houses, roads, ponds, the bay, like it was never there. Such a shame. That said, if my house was there I would probably rather it burned then be one of the few left standing. No beach anymore, no access, no utilities. Now pretty much useless. Gonna guess most of these people don't bother sending in their mortgage payment this month. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 9:54:44 PM EDT
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I didn't realize Hwy 11 was still open, I may have to go on a road trip when I get home next week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The USGS is still working at the HVO but the park is closed to the public. https://www.nps.gov/havo/images/PIO_ansi_8_5x11_land_20180521_KilaueaEEA_NP18051727_960.jpg?maxwidth=1200&autorotate=false I was surprised it said it was still open. I'm not sure if that info is up to date or not. I hope it is though. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 10:34:15 PM EDT
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The USGS is still working at the HVO but the park is closed to the public. https://www.nps.gov/havo/images/PIO_ansi_8_5x11_land_20180521_KilaueaEEA_NP18051727_960.jpg?maxwidth=1200&autorotate=false |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 10:38:24 PM EDT
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I got that from the national park website. I was surprised it said it was still open. I'm not sure if that info is up to date or not. I hope it is though. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 10:57:03 PM EDT
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So, as the 'spatter cone' around that fissure grows will it eventually be high enough to slow or stop the lava from flowing out? Will the magma/lava just fill it up until it overflows? I guess I'm sort of interested in the dynamics of the whole thing. Volcanologists help me out here.
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:06:07 PM EDT
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I got that from the national park website. I was surprised it said it was still open. I'm not sure if that info is up to date or not. I hope it is though. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:09:37 PM EDT
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I'll post pics if it is. We'll probably be there at the same time, lol. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:10:33 PM EDT
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So, as the 'spatter cone' around that fissure grows will it eventually be high enough to slow or stop the lava from flowing out? Will the magma/lava just fill it up until it overflows? I guess I'm sort of interested in the dynamics of the whole thing. Volcanologists help me out here. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:11:01 PM EDT
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So, as the 'spatter cone' around that fissure grows will it eventually be high enough to slow or stop the lava from flowing out? Will the magma/lava just fill it up until it overflows? I guess I'm sort of interested in the dynamics of the whole thing. Volcanologists help me out here. But the spatter cone at 8 is mostly wind driven to the South West of it... leaving the side it's flowing out of without any significant build up. So... pretty much no matter how tall it gets... it won't have any effect on the flow. |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:11:42 PM EDT
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Pele's ANGRY.
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:18:33 PM EDT
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I love to watch pahoehoe flowing. It's the most hypnotic thing ever. the gooey goo and the crust. Don't want to live in HI, because I'm a snow guy. But *Butthead voice* Syrupy and copious lava is cool... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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look how fast that stuff is flowing from the fissure Don't want to live in HI, because I'm a snow guy. But *Butthead voice* Syrupy and copious lava is cool... |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:26:26 PM EDT
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Wow, the volcano accidentally the whole thing. Houses, roads, ponds, the bay, like it was never there. Such a shame. That said, if my house was there I would probably rather it burned then be one of the few left standing. No beach anymore, no access, no utilities. Now pretty much useless. Gonna guess most of these people don't bother sending in their mortgage payment this month. 
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:37:04 PM EDT
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I believe it snows in Hawaii. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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look how fast that stuff is flowing from the fissure Don't want to live in HI, because I'm a snow guy. But *Butthead voice* Syrupy and copious lava is cool... |
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Posted: 6/5/2018 11:47:18 PM EDT
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The USGS is still working at the HVO but the park is closed to the public. https://www.nps.gov/havo/images/PIO_ansi_8_5x11_land_20180521_KilaueaEEA_NP18051727_960.jpg?maxwidth=1200&autorotate=false Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Probably a stupid question but can you walk up to that summit now? or is it too hot, too unstable or something else?...... besides the fact that it can blow any second https://www.nps.gov/havo/images/PIO_ansi_8_5x11_land_20180521_KilaueaEEA_NP18051727_960.jpg?maxwidth=1200&autorotate=false Quoted:
Besides the fact that the area is closed due to it can blow any second... Yes you could walk up to it. It's not too hot... it might be unstable... but you won't know how unstable until weight is applied to the area...
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:08:23 AM EDT
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look how fast that stuff is flowing from the fissure Don't want to live in HI, because I'm a snow guy. But *Butthead voice* Syrupy and copious lava is cool... |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:32:02 AM EDT
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Aerial view into Halema‘uma‘u AKA the main crater.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:37:30 AM EDT
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Aerial view into Halema‘uma‘u AKA the main crater. https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/observatories/hvo/multimedia_uploads/multimediaFile-2178.jpg |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 2:59:58 AM EDT
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I believe it snows in Hawaii. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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look how fast that stuff is flowing from the fissure Don't want to live in HI, because I'm a snow guy. But *Butthead voice* Syrupy and copious lava is cool... Thats the way I like it, sit on my lanai drinking a mai tai and looking at that white shit waaaaay over there.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 3:57:38 AM EDT
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I found it interesting that people were surprised by a "catastrophe" when they lived in a bowl, below sea level, next to the sea. The level of my perplexation of thought processes continues to rise as individuals who live on an active volcano experience "unforseen" cataclysms.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 4:09:36 AM EDT
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I found it interesting that people were surprised by a "catastrophe" when they lived in a bowl, below sea level, next to the sea. The level of my perplexation of thought processes continues to rise as individuals who live on an active volcano experience . Or people in Florida, the east coast and the Gulf that get hurricanes experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in upstate New York and other parts of New England subject to blizzards experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in southern California subject to drought and wildfires experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in......... |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 4:12:09 AM EDT
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You mean like people in tornado alleys experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in Florida, the east coast and the Gulf that get hurricanes experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in upstate New York and other parts of New England subject to blizzards experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in southern California subject to drought and wildfires experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in......... |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 4:21:17 AM EDT
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@itstock The supreme court decided it in 1977 and said the state owns all new land. State by Kobayashi v. Zimring Alluvion and accretion are used synonymously to describe the addition of soil by gradual deposit. Usually along waterways. The land that is deposited as a result of accretion is known as alluvion, and riparian owners gain title to the deposited alluvion. This alluvion may result from natural forces or artificial forces, such as the construction of jetties upland. I'm guessing the same principles would apply to accretion by lava flow...if the land was previously patented and has a clear chain of title. New land created by lava flowing into the ocean and not deeded by patent would belong to the state. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 8:23:59 AM EDT
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Aerial view into Halema‘uma‘u AKA the main crater. https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/observatories/hvo/multimedia_uploads/multimediaFile-2178.jpg Can't wait to see more pics. If all that shifts and plugs the hole, I wonder how long it will be until the lava lake reappears? Months, years, decades, centuries? |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 8:33:37 AM EDT
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Here is kind of a before and after.
Landscape completely changed. 
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Posted: 6/6/2018 8:38:10 AM EDT
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What is the size of the features in those crater images. TY.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 10:20:05 AM EDT
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Do the scientists think they know if the two events are connected?
You can see the fissures all line up, I heard the term intrusive dike. Not a geologist but I know what that is. Is the subsidence at the summit the result of the fissures funneling away the magma pool supporting the caldera? Or is the collapse of the caldera and the plugging of the throat is causing the magma to pool under pressure, creating the dike that leads to the fissures? Did Pele go full ARFCOM and get both? This is fascinating and horrifying, looking at the volcanic mountains in the distance
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Posted: 6/6/2018 10:39:29 AM EDT
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What is the size of the features in those crater images. TY. Impressive as hell to see in person (was there about 10 years ago). |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 10:54:18 AM EDT
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What is the size of the features in those crater images. TY. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:13:56 AM EDT
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What is the size of the features in those crater images. TY. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:17:16 AM EDT
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Here is kind of a before and after. Landscape completely changed. https://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/images/2015/05/summit-labels.jpg?itok=Ba8PpicY https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/observatories/hvo/multimedia_uploads/multimediaFile-2178.jpg |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:21:15 AM EDT
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You mean like people in tornado alleys experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in Florida, the east coast and the Gulf that get hurricanes experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in upstate New York and other parts of New England subject to blizzards experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in southern California subject to drought and wildfires experience "unforseen" cataclysms? Or people in......... |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:25:19 AM EDT
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I'm not an attorney and I've not read the case, but I'm guessing that applies to newly created lands not yet patented. I don't see how any previously deeded lands that have new 'topsoil' blown in could be contested. Alluvion and accretion are used synonymously to describe the addition of soil by gradual deposit. Usually along waterways. The land that is deposited as a result of accretion is known as alluvion, and riparian owners gain title to the deposited alluvion. This alluvion may result from natural forces or artificial forces, such as the construction of jetties upland. I'm guessing the same principles would apply to accretion by lava flow...if the land was previously patented and has a clear chain of title. New land created by lava flowing into the ocean and not deeded by patent would belong to the state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@itstock The supreme court decided it in 1977 and said the state owns all new land. State by Kobayashi v. Zimring Alluvion and accretion are used synonymously to describe the addition of soil by gradual deposit. Usually along waterways. The land that is deposited as a result of accretion is known as alluvion, and riparian owners gain title to the deposited alluvion. This alluvion may result from natural forces or artificial forces, such as the construction of jetties upland. I'm guessing the same principles would apply to accretion by lava flow...if the land was previously patented and has a clear chain of title. New land created by lava flowing into the ocean and not deeded by patent would belong to the state. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 11:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder what made that semi-circular track to the right of the crater, shown in the second pic. My guess is aliens... |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:02:47 PM EDT
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Pretty sure it is a parking lot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/6/2018 12:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know many people here that find blizzards cataclysmic Didn't think so. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:17:08 PM EDT
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You are correct, its new land that extends into the ocean. A family owned two plots of land and there was an eruption with lava flowing into the ocean creating new land attached to theirs. Something like 18 addition acres. After a number of years they started planting trees and developing this new land. Hawaii said no you dont own it. It went to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled for the reason you noted; undeeded land belongs to the state and doesnt get attached to private property owners. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@itstock The supreme court decided it in 1977 and said the state owns all new land. State by Kobayashi v. Zimring Alluvion and accretion are used synonymously to describe the addition of soil by gradual deposit. Usually along waterways. The land that is deposited as a result of accretion is known as alluvion, and riparian owners gain title to the deposited alluvion. This alluvion may result from natural forces or artificial forces, such as the construction of jetties upland. I'm guessing the same principles would apply to accretion by lava flow...if the land was previously patented and has a clear chain of title. New land created by lava flowing into the ocean and not deeded by patent would belong to the state. If you own waterfront property - even if your deed reads "the the mean high water line" or similar - you still own X acres and if lava extends the land so that the waterline is now hundreds of yards farther away... You do not gain acreage. And you lose your waterfront. On one hand I think that's fucked up - I own to the high water mark, so I still own to the high water mark. If all that filled in was 20' of sand, nobody would dispute the claim. Now that it's 500' of lava, all of a sudden I no longer own to the water? That's not cool. I can see both sides of the argument. Buying property in an area where there have been multiple lava flows every century for thousands of years is a risky proposition. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:18:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:21:03 PM EDT
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So if you have a non-waterfront parcel and it gets covered by lava, you still own the entire parcel. The boundaries as defined by GPS coordinates are unchanged. If you own waterfront property - even if your deed reads "the the mean high water line" or similar - you still own X acres and if lava extends the land so that the waterline is now hundreds of yards farther away... You do not gain acreage. And you lose your waterfront. On one hand I think that's fucked up - I own to the high water mark, so I still own to the high water mark. If all that filled in was 20' of sand, nobody would dispute the claim. Now that it's 500' of lava, all of a sudden I no longer own to the water? That's not cool. I can see both sides of the argument. Buying property in an area where there have been multiple lava flows every century for thousands of years is a risky proposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@itstock The supreme court decided it in 1977 and said the state owns all new land. State by Kobayashi v. Zimring Alluvion and accretion are used synonymously to describe the addition of soil by gradual deposit. Usually along waterways. The land that is deposited as a result of accretion is known as alluvion, and riparian owners gain title to the deposited alluvion. This alluvion may result from natural forces or artificial forces, such as the construction of jetties upland. I'm guessing the same principles would apply to accretion by lava flow...if the land was previously patented and has a clear chain of title. New land created by lava flowing into the ocean and not deeded by patent would belong to the state. If you own waterfront property - even if your deed reads "the the mean high water line" or similar - you still own X acres and if lava extends the land so that the waterline is now hundreds of yards farther away... You do not gain acreage. And you lose your waterfront. On one hand I think that's fucked up - I own to the high water mark, so I still own to the high water mark. If all that filled in was 20' of sand, nobody would dispute the claim. Now that it's 500' of lava, all of a sudden I no longer own to the water? That's not cool. I can see both sides of the argument. Buying property in an area where there have been multiple lava flows every century for thousands of years is a risky proposition. |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:37:11 PM EDT
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Many of those homes were not insured, or at least not insured against lava. Property insurance & mortgages in the less stable regions of Hawaii are not like most places. The island has something like 9 different zones and depending on your zone you may not be insurable at all.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:40:48 PM EDT
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I added the kilauea livestream to the first post incase anyone wanted to find it quickly.
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou’re not kidding!
Any guesstimates on how far down a line would go if dropped down the crater? obviously assuming no heat etc etc |
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Posted: 6/6/2018 1:46:48 PM EDT
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Many of those homes were not insured, or at least not insured against lava. Property insurance & mortgages in the less stable regions of Hawaii are not like most places. The island has something like 9 different zones and depending on your zone you may not be insurable at all. |
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