I have a Shockwave and will be ordering wood for mine at some point.

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A better pic showing the wood.

Great idea!

I have been hosting 2-gun & 3-gun matched in the warmer months over the last few years. Mostly guys I work with.

I keep telling everyone that they will get a 5 sec. bonus if they show up in a costume, like Addidas track suit w/AK & Makarov, or WWII USGI, WWII partisan, the A-Team, etc.

70’s to 90’s themed sounds like a lot of fun. Count me in.

PLUS... I was talking to one of the counter guys at the LGS..... he was "Where on ARFcom are they talking about this?  It sounds cool!"

....so we might have yet another participant!

I’ve hacked out a rough sketch of three equipment divisions.  Rifle is the same for everyone, differences are with the handgun and shotgun.

Uniformed Division

Handgun:
6-shot revolver, .38Spl or larger
No moonclips allowed (clip guns OK, just no clips... .45Autorim or similar is suggested)
No compensators or porting allowed
Weighted or “overextended” grips (i.e. Hogue Big Butt) not allowed
Iron sights only, no fiberoptic, optical or electronic sights allowed

Shotgun:
Manual operation (pump, lever, bolt, break open) only
12 or 20 gauge
No more than 9 rounds allowed in the gun at any time.
No compensators or porting allowed
No fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights allowed

Rifle:
9x19mm or more powerful required
Select-fire guns allowed, but must be used in semi-automatic mode only
30-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights not allowed
Furniture must be of “factory” configuration:  free-floated barrels not allowed
Bipods or similar supporting devices not allowed

Stakeout Division

Handgun:

Revolver or semiauto, .38SPL or larger caliber
15-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, no fiberoptic, optical or electronic sights allowed
No compensators or porting allowed
Extended magwells, grips, or added weights not allowed

Shotgun:
Manual operation (pump, lever, bolt, break open) only
Pistol grip only... shoulder stocks not allowed.  14”  “firearms” like Shockwave are allowed
12 or 20 gauge
No more than 6 rounds allowed in the gun at any time.
No compensators or porting allowed
No fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights allowed

Rifle:
9x19mm or more powerful required
Select-fire guns allowed, but must be used in semi-automatic mode only
30-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights not allowed
Furniture must be of “factory” configuration:  free-floated barrels not allowed
Bipods or similar supporting devices not allowed

Detective Division


Handgun:

Revolver or semiauto, .38SPL or larger caliber
8 round magazine limit
Iron sights only, no fiberoptic, optical or electronic sights allowed
No compensators or porting allowed
Extended magwells, grips, or added weights not allowed

Shotgun:

Manual operation (pump, lever, bolt, break open) only
12 or 20 gauge
No more than 6 rounds allowed in the gun at any time.
No compensators or porting allowed
No fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights allowed

Rifle:

9x19mm or more powerful required
Select-fire guns allowed, but must be used in semi-automatic mode only
30-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights not allowed
Furniture must be of “factory” configuration:  free-floated barrels not allowed
Bipods or similar supporting devices not allowed

What do we think?  Remember, this is just for equipmemt, dress however you want.

Is wearing Ray Bans ok for shooting?

And is there going to be a hair spray station in the match?

Hell I am in!

I think Moonclips should be allowed. I know plenty of older guys that carried slicked up M1917s and carried moon clips on their duty belts. Also speed loaders should be allowed.

Also I think there should be a BUG category. Period backups like Walther PP and PPK, Sig P230, and others in .32 and .380 Auto were popular. Hell, Kentucky State Police if I remember correctly issued a Walther to their officers as a BUG.

Cocaine Cowboy League?

Finally! A competition use for the TP22
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I was thinking that, but wasn't sure anything with the word "cocaine" would be politically correct.  Love it, though!

I'm loving it!

I'm imagining a course of fire is going to be determined by the range we have access to.  But do we have any preliminary ideas as to how we're going to set things up?  I've never done 3 gun.... just KD and pin shooting.

It's only semi-auto, but my Mac-11 would work great.

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All cops and no robbers, need a smugglers class.

Undercover division

A sub-subgun class would be fun. Semi Mac, Uzi, MP5 etc. pistols.

You can dress in whatever "personality" you like... so long as we're all good guys in the end

How about we all need to wear "necklace badges... with our arfcom screen name on em!

I need a DEA hat and coat.

Give that man a cigar!

I like it!

Why don't we have "uniformed"  and "detective" use the same sidearm type (revolver).... just one is used from Sam Browne gear while the other is used from an OWB style holster.  That frees up "under cover" to use a semi auto?

Oh, speedloaders should definitely be allowed.

“Detective” Division could be expanded to allow .32s and .380s, makes more sense that way anyway.

Do people get to pick a name like the cowboy crowd does? If so,I'm calling dibs on Calderone just so nobody else could use it.

Dibs on Carl Winslow.

Dibs.

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I call Sonny Crockett.

Stake Out Division-870 with the factory top folder ok?  Keep it folded for Stake out but you can unfold it for another one.

I got no problem with that.

That just cost me $400 at the LGS.

Maybe I'll go with "William Lozano". He's the officer that caused the 1989 Miami Riot by shooting fleeing suspect Clement Lloyd in the head as he was fleeing and evading police on a motorcycle on MLK Day.


Ofc. Lozano





FL NG during the 1980 McDuffie riot holding folks at gunpoint.



Ahhh who am I kidding. I'll just choose "Martin Castillo" from Miami Vice.







Behind the scenes photo of Miami Vice

I have a soft spot for Semi-Auto Shotguns.

I think they can be placed in the games. Remember, in the 80s and 90s. The cops were supposedly outgunned.

Criminal Division:

Handgun: Revolver or semiauto, .38SPL or larger caliber
15-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, no fiberoptic, optical or electronic sights allowed
No compensators or porting allowed
Extended magwells, grips, or added weights not allowed

Shotgun:
Semi-Auto operation or Pistol Grip Only Pump allowed
12 or 20 gauge
No more than 5 rounds allowed in the gun at any time.
No compensators or porting allowed
No fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights allowed

Rifle:
9x19mm or more powerful required
Select-fire guns allowed, but must be used in semi-automatic mode only
30-round magazine limit
Iron sights only, fiberoptic, optical, or electronic sights not allowed
Furniture must be of "factory" configuration: free-floated barrels not allowed
Bipods or similar supporting devices not allowed

You guys gotta listen to this interview.

Later today I'm going to get some pairings out of the safes:

Generic hoodlum
 Lorcin .25
 Hmm,maybe tape up a side by side

Small town cop
 Model 10
 Smith and Wesson 12 gauge

M1 carbine

County copper

Model 19

Factory folder Mini

870

Heroic lone wolf star detective
King Cobra
Mossberg 500
SP1

European cartel mercenary-I think this is the one I could actually pull off,nobody is actually going to buy me as Calderone
P7
M1 Super 90
AUG

Revolutionary from invented Central American people's republic
Underfolder AK
Makarov
Bandolier of knives1
Giant fake moustache and red neckerchief

Do it!

I'm looking at for the uniform riot cop for the Uniform Division.

S&W Model 64, Remington 870 ONG Wingmaster, and Colt SP1 Rifle or Bushmaster A2 Rifle.

For the Stakeout Division. I'm looking at Jim Cirillo's history with a tiny bit of Frank Serpico.

Browning Hi-Power Detective, M1 Carbine, and Mossberg Shockwave.

For the Detective Division. Going all Miami Vice.

S&W 4506-1, either the Mini-14 GB Stainless or Daewoo K2, and Winchester 1300 Defender.

Criminal Class would the the following.

Cartel Hitman

Two Tone Custom 1911, Deneutered Norinco MAK-90, the Shotgun would be the Mossberg Shockwave again.

Dibs on ‘Hector Traficante’

Eta: I need an Uzi

These are sounding a lot like divisions to me.

Okay, it’s time to start thinking about a catchy name for this game.

Shoot-X?  As in Generation X?

Cop Land Shoot-X?

Just picked up one of these....

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Police-Badge-Necklace-Cop-Adult-Law-Enforcement-Halloween-Costume-Accessory-/382676373558

I'm just using all my real gear.

Yea... but hanging my forklift certs around my neck doesn't have the same look...

Eta: I like the "Cop land" in the title... an under appreciated movie for sure!

Interesting how this evolved into more of a cops and robbers sort of theme than a general period one.

Anyhow, does anyone recall these slings being around back in the day?  GRSC V-TAC Snap Sling made by Ed Verdugo.  Very little online about it, although I think I saw a comment on a forum that it inspired the Giles tactical sling that debuted in 1989.  My dad says he bought his in the early 1990s for about $20, but he's not absolutely certain.  The ones from the wayback mahine archived website are a bit different as sold from 1999-2001.  Any other period tactical slings out there?

I think Cops and Robbers because the majority of the gun play on TV was either cop shows or action flicks with cops like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard.

I'm all for it being more open. Throwing in bith real life like the  Contras, Rhodesia, South African Bush War in Angola and films or TV like Red Dawn, Commando, A-Team, etc....

What about broadening the scope if the classes a bit? You could have a cops & robbers class, a commando class, (insert others here), etc.

Awesome Action Shooting

Yeah, that could work.

Add an A-team stage where if you actually hit any targets you fail the stage.

Hell yes. 1911 and an a1 here I come.

I’m all for letting the divisions get dictated by the folks that want to shoot them.

Get 10-12 people that wanna run zip guns and throwing stars, I say we find a way to make it work.  

There's a lot of fodder to be had from conflicts and organized crime in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East for sure.

A commando class like mentioned or a merc class, on top of the cartel one, would be cool. Maybe an open class to represent the time period broadly (if you could get it during the time period in question, it can be used).

I'm curious about the bipod prohibition. A lot of combat rifles available back then to varying degrees came with assault bipods [among others, the HK-91, Port. AR-10, FAL, BM-59 and BM-69, etc., and more easily removable (including clamp-on) bipods for M1As/M-14s, ARs, and such].