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Posted: 7/7/2022 10:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet hes longing for the days when Hawaiian shirt day was considered a major perk 
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Posted: 7/7/2022 10:49:18 PM EDT
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We'll see. Even if recession I doubt it will be as bad for jobs as 2009.
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Posted: 7/7/2022 10:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny thing about Zeihan; the points he makes which are the most important and the most consequential if true are also the points which he is least likely to be mistaken about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see you work with the same HR staff I do. I'm about ready to give them the Zeihan lesson in demographics becuae these guys are still running comp policy like it's 2012. Funny thing about Zeihan; the points he makes which are the most important and the most consequential if true are also the points which he is least likely to be mistaken about. Even funnier thing is that Peterson and Musk both talk about population crashes also. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 11:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That depends completely on the field. Young people going into the trades still have the upper hand and will for the foreseeable future. It seems like no one is going into the trades these days. We struggle to staff our jobs and it's only getting worse. Wait until all those illegals Biden let in start taking over their jobs, getting paid under the table, and working for less than 1/2 the cost of an American. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 11:12:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even funnier thing is that Peterson and Musk both talk about population crashes also. Anyone willing to look at reality instead of the fearmongering could see it for many years now. Things have reached the stage were a lot of people who hadn't thought about it before recognize the problem. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 11:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait until all those illegals Biden let in start taking over their jobs, getting paid under the table, and working for less than 1/2 the cost of an American. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That depends completely on the field. Young people going into the trades still have the upper hand and will for the foreseeable future. It seems like no one is going into the trades these days. We struggle to staff our jobs and it's only getting worse. Wait until all those illegals Biden let in start taking over their jobs, getting paid under the table, and working for less than 1/2 the cost of an American. Funny thing about the power industry illiterates don't so so well and unlike coding when you're designing a high voltage system you don't get to reboot and fix your mistakes. Those cert shops in Bangalore aren't going to do so well to replace design engineers. Mexico and other countries are producing some qualified people but not near enough. As zeihan said we're running out of Mexicans 
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Posted: 7/7/2022 11:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the boomers are in their 70s so hopefully the jobs aren't too physically demanding.  I think bigger factors are the leap to socialism and the continuing international market pressure. Socialism is sucking the life out of America. You can't give away everything, you can't get everything for free, and socialism is slavery. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perhaps, but with boomer retirement in full swing, the labor market has become permanently tighter. I think bigger factors are the leap to socialism and the continuing international market pressure. Socialism is sucking the life out of America. You can't give away everything, you can't get everything for free, and socialism is slavery. They stretched it to 1964-65. There’s a shit load of 57-62 year olds about to retire. My in-laws and half the folks I used to work with. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 11:52:50 PM EDT
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I don't blame a company for going with foreign workers. Not sure how the workforce is in other areas--perhaps my area is full of lazy people. Why would a company pay top dollar for a shit product when they can pay less money for a product that is as good or (likely) better? |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:33:45 AM EDT
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I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers.
I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 7:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “You’re all ungrateful and lazy, that’s why I took our business to India! Now you’ll suffer, hahahahaha….. and my employee issues had nothing to do with pay or work environment. You should be thankful I even allowed you in my company!” hahhaha ..... by the way, what is DEI? |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 7:45:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 8:03:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 8:29:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hahhaha ..... by the way, what is DEI? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “You’re all ungrateful and lazy, that’s why I took our business to India! Now you’ll suffer, hahahahaha….. and my employee issues had nothing to do with pay or work environment. You should be thankful I even allowed you in my company!” hahhaha ..... by the way, what is DEI? Diversity Equity Inclusion aka woke bullshit I hear that shit, I turn off. Retirement can't come early enough. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 9:19:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power 
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Posted: 7/8/2022 9:23:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power 
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Sooooooo, tell me how physical the control software on a CNC machine is again? |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. My father was laid off when my brother was born, and he was laid off when I was born. I was laid off when my son was born. It's a family thing.  It happens more often than people think. You do your job well, give 100%, and you still get laid off. It sucks, but it happens. I think of what happened to Pa Walton, and all them kids. I'd stop having kids... |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 12:31:26 PM EDT
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I don't disagree with the premise.
The article a week or two ago that showed recent graduate's compensation expectations was pretty funny. Demographic shifts will likely keep things from looking like 2009. That era was an absolute clusterfuck for young adults. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 1:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laughable, especially in healthcare IT. Quote HistoryQuoted: We've found the same level of talent as in the U.S. Drs love it when you tell them they need to call the hospital help desk to get an issue solved. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 4:40:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cycle of life. People have very short memories. I'm 43 and have seen three downturns in my life. The next one is always coming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean like the rude awakening that every preceding generation has experienced multiple times? Good grief, none of this is new or special…it’s part of life. The cycle of life. People have very short memories. I'm 43 and have seen three downturns in my life. The next one is always coming. So have I. But I have also read history, and I feel that the next one is going to be a doozy. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:20:02 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Diversity Equity Inclusion aka woke bullshit I hear that shit, I turn off. Retirement can't come early enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: “You’re all ungrateful and lazy, that’s why I took our business to India! Now you’ll suffer, hahahahaha….. and my employee issues had nothing to do with pay or work environment. You should be thankful I even allowed you in my company!” hahhaha ..... by the way, what is DEI? Diversity Equity Inclusion aka woke bullshit I hear that shit, I turn off. Retirement can't come early enough. Oh yeah, that. Thanks. Luckily I am in Galt's Gulch already, so that acronym didn't ring a bell. I wonder when companies are going to realize they will gain a competitive advantage by jettisoning DEI? |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die My employer only recently relented and allowed direct deposit about a month ago. They insisted on giving everybody paper checks prior. They also vehemently oppose WFH. Of course, they also get upset when something breaks after hours, and they call you and you say "sorry, but I can't access anything from home, so you'll have to wait until I'm back in the office".  Quoted: Sooooooo, tell me how physical the control software on a CNC machine is again? Yep, and it's not just CNC... software is required to operate all sorts of machinery these days. Making products ranging from food to cars, and everything in-between. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:40:10 PM EDT
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just retired guys at 63, am going to sit back and watch how this ends up, WFH, hybrid, i dont care anymore
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:40:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die It's very simple. Unintelligent people are threatened by things they don't understand. Even when those things don't apply to them. If it's not what they know, they demonize it because it scares them. They know the world is changing and they won't make the cut in the future. See any EV thread. EVs are shit for certain tasks, great for some, ok for others. But any discussion here will be full of weird smugly asked strawman questions, hyperbole, blind repeating of debunked "facts" that may have been true 15 years ago, and outright lies. Because Cleetus knows the world is changing. Change scares him. So he lashes out. No difference with WFH. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:43:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's probably working fine, for now. But customers will slowly leave. Ever been to a restaurant and the food isn't as good as it used to be? Are you going to: A) write a letter to the owner explaining the food is different B) just eat somewhere else A favorite restaurant that also has sentimental ties, food quality started going down. We quit going there. Tried a couple of times, but nah. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:44:12 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Try and get smarter. Maybe take some night classes or something. That is true if you are a laborer in China or Mexico. Not now. Those who control the economy don't make anything, or supervise those who do. Even big manufacturers are essentially finance companies inconvenienced by having to produce a tangible product. Your thoughts on this are decades behind the world. Maybe longer than that. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:45:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drs love it when you tell them they need to call the hospital help desk to get an issue solved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We've found the same level of talent as in the U.S. Drs love it when you tell them they need to call the hospital help desk to get an issue solved. Doctors are the worst customers for almost any industry, especially for IT. Not for sales. They're great for salespeople. They buy anything. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:45:47 PM EDT
[#29]
I hope the recession guts the domestic Tech workforce
That way when it rebounds maybe i can actually get a job as a relatively competent straight White male who checks off zero diversity boxes
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:49:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do the labor participation rate. Hint, it's at a 45 year low. Unemployment numbers are a joke. People aren't looking for work. Correct. 51 million people quit in the past year. Also, productivity has had the largest decrease in 75 years (1st quarter of 2022). |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:50:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. You just not deal with HR often. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 5:51:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Whoever wrote that steaming pile is clueless.
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Posted: 7/8/2022 6:03:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What? Why would they need that when the government handed out unemployment to the tune of $600/week on top of state bennies? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Initial Covid shutdowns (not the following checks and unemployment payments increase) *hopefully* gave younger workers a taste of the need for job security. What? Why would they need that when the government handed out unemployment to the tune of $600/week on top of state bennies? Absolutely. The 20-24 age group has a giant employment gap because they were provided unprecedented amounts of welfare for the past 2 years. They are also given huge incentives to avoid the workplace and waste time/money on useless degrees. They'll burn cities down again before they go to work. |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 7:00:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My employer only recently relented and allowed direct deposit about a month ago. They insisted on giving everybody paper checks prior. They also vehemently oppose WFH. Of course, they also get upset when something breaks after hours, and they call you and you say "sorry, but I can't access anything from home, so you'll have to wait until I'm back in the office". Yep, and it's not just CNC... software is required to operate all sorts of machinery these days. Making products ranging from food to cars, and everything in-between. True, but I was trying to pick a clear cut "this makes the physical things possible" machine. Gotta simplify things for your audience sometimes...... |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 7:53:04 PM EDT
[#35]
In b4 "aWl corpurashunZ r GrEedy"
Shit, missed by a mile! |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 8:49:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. When people like me retire from the workforce, people like you will bitch and complain and wonder where all the workers who you didn't need to babysit and got the work done went. And we will sit back and laugh, sip our black straight coffee and say "NO," and we will fix our own stuff and watch your whole world crumble. I'm proud to have run out more shirkers when I ran a crew then anyone else. Even got talked to about it. Not one boss disagreed WHY I ran them out, just that they would catch flak from the namby pamby wusses higher up and from the union. Finally got sick of the shit and took a job where I am responsible for me and me alone. And life has been good and over several decades I have had ONE complaint from a customer and that was for telling him I didn't have any more time to waste on him because he wasn't ready, I had already wasted way to much time at his house and I had other customers waiting. His fat ass mommy called and bitched. They went out of business several years later. Oh well. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:38:32 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When people like me retire from the workforce, people like you will bitch and complain and wonder where all the workers who you didn't need to babysit and got the work done went. And we will sit back and laugh, sip our black straight coffee and say "NO," and we will fix our own stuff and watch your whole world crumble. I'm proud to have run out more shirkers when I ran a crew then anyone else. Even got talked to about it. Not one boss disagreed WHY I ran them out, just that they would catch flak from the namby pamby wusses higher up and from the union. Finally got sick of the shit and took a job where I am responsible for me and me alone. And life has been good and over several decades I have had ONE complaint from a customer and that was for telling him I didn't have any more time to waste on him because he wasn't ready, I had already wasted way to much time at his house and I had other customers waiting. His fat ass mommy called and bitched. They went out of business several years later. Oh well. What part of that is supposed to be a disagreement? Bad employees stop being employees if the management is competent. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 12:44:46 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not. If a recession hits the feds will probably roll out some form of "recession relief" program else there will be threats of riots. Once a country goes down the socialist path there's no turning back. Probably... can't give out more money that will only make it worse. But they can give out food. Just get in line. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:21:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When people like me retire from the workforce, people like you will bitch and complain and wonder where all the workers who you didn't need to babysit and got the work done went. And we will sit back and laugh, sip our black straight coffee and say "NO," and we will fix our own stuff and watch your whole world crumble. I'm proud to have run out more shirkers when I ran a crew then anyone else. Even got talked to about it. Not one boss disagreed WHY I ran them out, just that they would catch flak from the namby pamby wusses higher up and from the union. Finally got sick of the shit and took a job where I am responsible for me and me alone. And life has been good and over several decades I have had ONE complaint from a customer and that was for telling him I didn't have any more time to waste on him because he wasn't ready, I had already wasted way to much time at his house and I had other customers waiting. His fat ass mommy called and bitched. They went out of business several years later. Oh well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Reason? Because when a big part of their job is to answer the phone and such and they don't multiple times a day because they are not at their work station at home, you know, WORKING, it gets real old real fast. It is VERY easy to tell those that can work from home and those that need to be at a work facility where they can be monitored or terminated easier. And it's almost 100% woman related, scream sexism all you want but if WFH means doing home shit all day, you are 100% wrong. What you have here is a bad manager. Anyone not handling their business should be gone in any well managed business. Has nothing to do with where they sit. You also seem to have a shitty job. And maybe a tendency toward being a workaholic and/or letting your job stress you out. You should talk to someone about that. Life is too short to live to work. When people like me retire from the workforce, people like you will bitch and complain and wonder where all the workers who you didn't need to babysit and got the work done went. And we will sit back and laugh, sip our black straight coffee and say "NO," and we will fix our own stuff and watch your whole world crumble. I'm proud to have run out more shirkers when I ran a crew then anyone else. Even got talked to about it. Not one boss disagreed WHY I ran them out, just that they would catch flak from the namby pamby wusses higher up and from the union. Finally got sick of the shit and took a job where I am responsible for me and me alone. And life has been good and over several decades I have had ONE complaint from a customer and that was for telling him I didn't have any more time to waste on him because he wasn't ready, I had already wasted way to much time at his house and I had other customers waiting. His fat ass mommy called and bitched. They went out of business several years later. Oh well. You know nothing. I don't babysit anybody. I don't care if you do your job. I don't care if you retire. I don't think about you at all. You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself. I hope that works out for you. Enjoy your retirement. I doubt anyone misses you. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 2:45:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When people like me retire from the workforce, people like you will bitch and complain and wonder where all the workers who you didn't need to babysit and got the work done went. And we will sit back and laugh, sip our black straight coffee and say "NO," and we will fix our own stuff and watch your whole world crumble. I'm proud to have run out more shirkers when I ran a crew then anyone else. Even got talked to about it. Not one boss disagreed WHY I ran them out, just that they would catch flak from the namby pamby wusses higher up and from the union. Finally got sick of the shit and took a job where I am responsible for me and me alone. And life has been good and over several decades I have had ONE complaint from a customer and that was for telling him I didn't have any more time to waste on him because he wasn't ready, I had already wasted way to much time at his house and I had other customers waiting. His fat ass mommy called and bitched. They went out of business several years later. Oh well. I just had a boomer retire from my team last summer. He had tasks to perform and did so really well. Worked nights and weekends to get them done. Received hundreds of hours of comp time because of all the work he was putting in. He was an expert in working these specific tasks. So much so that I removed all of his other taskings so he could purely work this stuff. When he retired, leadership was scared that we had lost a great wealth of knowledge and might not be able to recover. I was grateful for his wealth of knowledge too. But he was SLOW. Turns out, a Gen X guy could do EVERYTHING the boomer was doing in 1-8 the time and as a collateral task. Amazing. My point is boomers might work themselves to death because they think they and they alone can do things the right way. Turns out their way might be A right way, but slow as fuck. I'm happy to retire boomers and welcome hard charging Gen X, millennials and Gen Z (when we get there) to my team. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 2:49:47 AM EDT
[#41]
sorry but if your not in the trades than your not going to get far
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Posted: 7/9/2022 3:24:33 AM EDT
[#42]
 oki doki boomer |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 3:36:18 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Why wouldn't you prefer an employee that supplies their own internet connection, electricity, heating and cooling, office space, water, coffess, soap and towels, toilet paper, and you don't have to spend money on office parties, fewer harassment lawsuits, etc. If your employees work on computers, let them supply the "office". Move away from the hourly compensation model and pay salary instead. If their productivity is satisfactory, don't worry about how the sausage is made. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 4:07:58 AM EDT
[#44]
My manager also make a HUGE mistake while we were negotiating a pay increase. He said jokingly, "We're not going to get rich doing this kind of work."
Realistically, the writing is on the wall, and I already have feelers out there looking to jump ship for greener pastures. I am uniquely positioned to open up a whole other market for the company. If I quit, they will have to either send an existing employee halfway across the state and pay for hotel rooms all the time, or contract with local companies in the same industry to do the work at a much higher rate than they want to pay me. It would still be profitable to do it either way, but instead of compensating me more, they run the risk of me jumping ship and bringing this market to a competitor. To put it another way, I was approached by one of the companies they contract with when I take a day off.  Literally, it would still be me doing the work, they would just have to pay the other company to pay me, plus the other company's cut. We might get a recession or depression that renders it all moot, but I really should be compensated better given the amount they are charging their clients for my work and the fact that it would cost them a lot more to get it done any other way (but it would still be profitable). It really comes down to the owners decision to keep more money for himself rather than kicking it back to the people who generate the profit in the first place. Their company, their rules. My talent --> highest bidder. It's just business. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 5:20:11 AM EDT
[#45]
We shall see. This recession will be very different due to the huge variations caused by all of the covid money still in the system and the lasting effects of the supply chain wackiness. This won't be your father's recession. This will be different. You are post stolen elections and the damage the the Biden administration is or will cause. It ain't over yet.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 9:14:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably... can't give out more money that will only make it worse. But they can give out food. Just get in line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably not. If a recession hits the feds will probably roll out some form of "recession relief" program else there will be threats of riots. Once a country goes down the socialist path there's no turning back. Probably... can't give out more money that will only make it worse. But they can give out food. Just get in line. Bread lines won’t come back. They can masquerade as normal using EBT. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 9:37:08 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: sorry but if your not in the trades than your not going to get far Jesus Christ. Stop it. Just stop it. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 9:38:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn't you prefer an employee that supplies their own internet connection, electricity, heating and cooling, office space, water, coffess, soap and towels, toilet paper, and you don't have to spend money on office parties, fewer harassment lawsuits, etc. If your employees work on computers, let them supply the "office". Move away from the hourly compensation model and pay salary instead. If their productivity is satisfactory, don't worry about how the sausage is made. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Why wouldn't you prefer an employee that supplies their own internet connection, electricity, heating and cooling, office space, water, coffess, soap and towels, toilet paper, and you don't have to spend money on office parties, fewer harassment lawsuits, etc. If your employees work on computers, let them supply the "office". Move away from the hourly compensation model and pay salary instead. If their productivity is satisfactory, don't worry about how the sausage is made. I am delighted to supply those things. I had them anyway. Win win. WAY worth it for no commute and working in my comfortable house with plenty of time to do other stuff at the same time, run a small business, or have another completely different job. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 9:43:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die If you aren’t producing physical goods, you are irrelevant to real economic power Says the guy that paid $60 for some green arrows on the internet.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 10:01:58 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn't you prefer an employee that supplies their own internet connection, electricity, heating and cooling, office space, water, coffess, soap and towels, toilet paper, and you don't have to spend money on office parties, fewer harassment lawsuits, etc. If your employees work on computers, let them supply the "office". Move away from the hourly compensation model and pay salary instead. If their productivity is satisfactory, don't worry about how the sausage is made. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand the opposition to work from home. I get that blue collar types don't understand that real work is done on computers. I don't like to telework and given the option, I don't. When my employees want to telework, I let them. If they aren't doing the work while teleworking, I remove the privilege. Easy as that. Covid proved to a TON of organizations that WFH was good, increased Productivity, and decreased costs. Adapt or die Why wouldn't you prefer an employee that supplies their own internet connection, electricity, heating and cooling, office space, water, coffess, soap and towels, toilet paper, and you don't have to spend money on office parties, fewer harassment lawsuits, etc. If your employees work on computers, let them supply the "office". Move away from the hourly compensation model and pay salary instead. If their productivity is satisfactory, don't worry about how the sausage is made. Exactly. In my unique situation, our organization pays our rent, utilities and internet for all employees anyway. It just makes sense. As a manager, it is ABSOLUTELY easier for my to walk out of my office and go talk to an employee about an issue. I prefer to work in the office. Some of my employees prefer to telework. I can shoot them an IM and during their working hours I expect an answer within 20 min. I get it too. I treat my employees with respect, and I, as my dad always said, "give them enough rope to hang themselves". The great thing about being able to authorize telework is impact on employee morale. I like to keep morale up. I take my entire division out every quarter for an all you can eat, all you can drink celebration in appreciation for their hard work. They pay nothing. Some of you may say I could just lay them more but unfortunately I can't. So I do think from my own wallet so they know I personally and professionally appreciate them. |
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